Yanks can’t overcome Pettitte’s problems, lose to Rangers

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With the way the Yankees have been playing lately it sure wasn’t easy to watch last night’s affair. The offense just couldn’t get going, which was a shame because Andy Pettitte clearly wasn’t himself. After walking four in five innings during his last start in Cleveland, he walked six in five innings last night. He did pick up six strikeouts, very un-Pettitte-like, but it wasn’t enough. The Rangers hit him early, picking up four runs before he could remotely settle in. That was all they’d need to top the Yanks.

The Yanks got a few chances to plate some runs, but were 1 for 6 with runners in scoring position. The one hit came from Alex Rodriguez in the first, plating Nick Swisher. But then A-Rod grounded into a double play with the bases loaded and one out in the third, and struck out with a runner on third and one out in the sixth. He heard the boos, which is always irritating. He didn’t deserve applause, but the guy who had driven in the Yanks sole run to that point doesn’t deserve the boos. Few, if any, Yankees do.

Futile as the offense was, Andy Pettitte let the Rangers take control early. The first inning was particularly disastrous, with walks and some bad luck contributed to the Rangers’ three run rally. Pettitte walked Ian Kinsler to open the game, but the Yanks had a chance to erase him after an Andruw Jones single to left. He took third on Johnny Damon when it looked like an accurate throw would have gotten him. We know Damon doesn’t have the best arm, but he’s been pretty good this year with getting it to the bag, but this one was well off line. Kinsler scored after another bout of bad luck with the next batter, Nelson Cruz. He hit what could have been an inning-ending double play ball, but it ricocheted off Pettitte’s leg and away from the moving Cano.

The Yankees ended up getting a reprieve later on, as Marlon Byrd, who had plated Jones on a fielder’s choice, tried to take third on a Chris Davis single. Melky threw a bullet to A-Rod, who applied the tag and ended the threat. The Yanks would suffer some more bad luck in the second, as Pettitte botched a pickoff throw, allowing Elvis Andrus to take second. He would eventually steal third and score on a single. That would be it for the Rangers’ scoring. Again, they didn’t need to tack on any.

Pettitte gutted out the rest of the game, striking out the side in the third after letting the first two men reach base. He again walked the leadoff guy in the fourth, and then walked two more guys to load the bases. But he worked out of that. Finally, in what would be his last inning of work, Pettitte worked a 1-2-3 fifth. He finished the night with 104 pitches, 59 of which were strikes. It sure seemed like less than that. Given the 13 baserunners in five innings, he was quite lucky the Rangers didn’t put this one out of reach early.

What made the night more frustrating on the offensive side was that Brett Tomko came in and pitched three innings of two-hit ball, striking out three and walking none. He kept the Yanks in it, but the offense just couldn’t get it done off Scott Feldman and C.J. Wilson. Jorge connected for his eighth homer of the year, an absolute bullet, but that would be it for the scoring. The only Yankees runner to reach scoring position after the third inning was when Johnny Damon took third on an errant pickoff throw.

They’ll get a chance to quickly forget about this one with a 1:00 game tomorrow afternoon. Chien-Ming Wang makes his triumphant return against Brandon McCarthy. With Wang only able to go 80 or so pitches, we should also see Phil Hughes make his first appearance out of the bullpen.

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  • Infamous

    Def. was a frustrating game to watch and pitiful to hear the boo’s for Arod. However, We’ll win tommorow and I’ll take 2 outta 3 any day.

    Thank Mo for Iphones so I can listen to the game at work.

  • Manimal

    Pettitte does NOT look healthy, I would think a trip to the 15 day DL would be best for him and Hughes still stays in the rotation for another 2 weeks.

    • yankees=warriors

      Exactly! We have Hughes now, we can afford to wait for Andy right himself.
      It’s a win-win move.

    • whozat

      It does kind of annoy me that Andy still gets the benefit of the “80% of me is better than 100% of anyone else” doubt. Jeter too, though he might be right that 80% of him is better than 100% of Ramiro Pena for two weeks. But Andy? Joe and Cash, have some balls and tell him that it’s best for the team if he goes on the DL.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

        At this point, I don’t really think that 100 % of Pettitte is better than 100 % of Hughes/Wang to tell you the truth. I can say for certain that 80 % of Pettitte is not better than 100 % of Hughes/Wang.

  • Giuseppe Franco

    They don’t need Pettitte to be a hero. They need him healthy.

    Pettitte needs to rest up if his back is still bothering him. That’s why they have six starters.

  • Biship

    Of Course Steve Phillips is a B-Hugheser

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      So Steve Phillips continues to want to move young pitchers into the bullpen and yet he has no Major League job. That’s not a coincidence.

      • RollingWave

        at least he’s consistent :P I hope the Red Sox follow his advice and move Lester and Bucholz to the pen too.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        IETC

  • E-ROC

    The booing of A-Rod is ridiculous. Why boo a player who is playing for your favorite team? Makes no sense. Listening to that is worse than watching the Yanks lose.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      Better or worse than booing Santa Claus?

      I agree with you, but fans will always boo their own when their own don’t perform. It’s idiotic.

      • E-ROC

        The children must have been mortified.

        • Some call me…tim

          Better.

          Santa never shtupped Madonna.

    • Tank the Frank (formerly just “Frank”)

      Yeah, it’s not as if he had already driven in a run while playing every day after having hip surgery and missing a month and a half.

      I hate him cuz he’s bumping uglies with Kate Hudson……

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      I’ve never booed him either, because I think its counterproductive and I want the team to win.

      But let’s be honest, Alex had a rough night last night.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Yikes, just read the rest of the thread.

        Don’t read that last comment as me agreeing with Jack.

    • JP

      +1. The pitcher was dominating the Yankees. After the first inning, the best anyone could do was draw a walk. A-Rod, who drove in their only run, tried to drive the ball when he had the bases loaded. The pitcher gave him nothing to hit.

      I honestly think this was a situation where the result really misrepresents the effort. I guess you could say A-Rod should have gone up there looking for a walk, and maybe he could have gotten one. But he realized the team needed a big hit from him, so he tried to get one. The pitcher was better this time.

      How many balls were hit on the screws off this pitcher? The only ones were lefties pulling the cutter foul…Jorge got one more on the plate and was able to hit a homer. That was it.

      Fans always have the right to boo, but I think A Rod was just trying to do what his job was in that situation. You could boo the whole team, because nobody could hit it out of their shadow against Feldman last night.

  • Joe LA

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I would sure feel better about this double starter game if the Yankees were still up a game in the east.

    Not much anyone can do about it, but tied atop the standings and with 2 of the Yankees most important pitchers trying out new roles tomorrow, this seems like another one of those games that Michael Kay will end up calling “Probably one of the most, if not the most, important game of the season, right here.”

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      And Michael Kay would be full of crap.

      • Joe LA

        haha. Compared to full of what he’s usually full of? (hint: the answer is still crap)

  • Jack P

    A-Rod didn’t deserve the boo’s? hahah that’s comedic.. all the fans (and RAB writers should) have to look back is all his previous years of his inability to hit with RISP and go ahead and show me some stats that he has hit with RISP and while i will agree with you.. they are just stats… everyone knows that when the game is on the line.. A-Rod is an A-Flop..

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

      WOW!

      /oaktag

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      Blah blah blah.

    • Drew

      Yes, factual representations of a body of work are “just stats.” Al probably shouldn’t even be here yet but he busted his ass and he’s here to help the team. Much to your chagrin, he has helped this team immensely.

      • Jack P

        Oh I know he has helped this team, He has provided great protection for Tex, and I agree he has been an amazing player, BUT he has not won a championship with the Yanks and he still has not earned his pin-stripes (let’s do a poll next chat and see how many people agree) I like A-Rod but he has to prove to be consistent with RISP and in the Playoffs to be a true Yankee.

        • Jack

          I like A-Rod but he has to prove to be consistent with RISP

          Career:
          .305 .389 .578

          Career w/RISP:
          .302 .404 .554

          • Jack P

            CAREER… that’s all you had to say to help me support my argument, and hello fellow Jack :)

            • Jack

              How does that support your argument?

        • UWS

          What the fuck does it mean to “earn his pinstripes”??? Has he not carried this team on his back at times? Won games single-handedly? Busted his ass every single day he’s been here? Switched positions to come here? What the hell more do you want? Yeah, he’s failed in the playoffs, but so has the rest of the team! If Mariano gets that last out in ’04 A-Rod is probably MVP of the ALCS and we’re building monuments to him. This is absurd!

          • kunaldo

            exactly

        • andrew

          Winning a championship is not the ultimate mark of a great player. Michael Jordan wouldn’t have won without Pippen, Jeter didn’t win without Posada, Bernie, Wells, Mo, countless others. The fact that ARod has not won a championship with the Yankees says more about the collection of players around ARod than ARod himself. Doing a poll in the next chat proves nothing. You can agree that ARod hasn’t earned his pinstripes(for example, I don’t think ARod has “earned his pinstripes,” whatever that means anyway) but that doesn’t mean I can’t see that ARod isn’t the problem.

          ARod’s career line in the ALDS: .258/.330/.409
          ARod’s career line in the ALCS: .315/.413/.611

          ARod’s line with RISP in Yankee Years
          2004: .248/.346/.439
          2005: .290/.410/.484
          2006: .302/.431/.508
          2007: .333/.460/.678
          2008: .271/.406/.458
          So until last year, he had improved every single year as a Yankee with RISP

    • andrew

      I was going to type a response to this, but i decided that this served my purpose better

      OAKTAG

    • JP

      Bulltwinkies, Jack P. You have selective memory. A Rod got the only hit in the game with RISP, in the 1st inning. He tied a game with a 9th inning homer during the 9 game win streak a few weeks ago.

      Nobody could hit a ball solid off Feldman. The exception was lefties pulling his cutter, and most of them were foul…Jorge kept one fair in the pitcher’s last inning, when he was tired.

      So ARod’s up there with bases loaded, and he realizes this is probably their best chance to tie or break open the game, and he tries for a big hit. You could argue he should have tried to get a walk, since that was basically all the pitcher was giving out, but I applaud him for trying to drive the ball. The pitcher was just better this time. Jeter didn’t have any “clutch” hits either. He was up in that bases loaded inning, and was the only guy, until ARod, to make an out, so I guess he “choked” too.

      • kunaldo

        yeah i mean, in a 3-1 count, you expect a fastball…so the pitcher throws a change, which is supposed to look like a fastball…so alex is caught off balance(as is the POINT of a changeup) and is way out in front

        it’s called baseball…sometimes you have to tip your hat to the pitcher

  • Jack P

    “He heard the boos, which is always irritating. He didn’t deserve applause, but the guy who had driven in the Yanks sole run to that point doesn’t deserve the boos. Few, if any, Yankees do.”

    If you had your way Joseph the stadium would be a hippie get-together and we would cheer every out/run that ever happpened… get over it.. if someone doesn’t produce with RISP they will get booed… if you don’t like it (as it seems you dont) then stop following the New York Yankees… maybe the Nat’s or some other team with low-expectations would be a better stop for you… It’s the greatest franchise in the history of sports.. get your boo’s ready or just go home.

    • Drew

      A few inaudible boo’s are different than what he heard tonight. Not many people are booed like that just because they didn’t “produce with RISP,” oh wait, he did drive in the first run, and that runner was in scoring position. Wacky and wild stuff, I know.

    • Jack P

      I love you all you RAB writers and i follow this website everyday but its time to stop harassing the Yankee Fans (40,000 or so) at the stadium every day for boo’ing a player that deserves to be boo’d when he doesn’t perform (or in A-Rod’s case: failed in the playoffs and has disgraced us with his PED circus) I support A-Rod but the 40,000+ Fans are right to Boo him.

      • Drew

        Did Andy walk off the field to a shower of Boo’s? Maybe a few people here and there but nothing like what Al faces.

        • Jack P

          Has Andy won a World Series with the Yankees? Argument done.

          • Drew

            heh. Whatever you say, Jack.

            • Jack P

              No offense man just trying to make an argument, i’m sure your a cool guy, just trying to make a point of my own.

          • ranger11

            Is Roger Clemens a true Yankee?

      • andrew

        Who’s ever been harassing Yankee fans?

        The Yankees failed in the playoffs, ARod included, but it was the team, not just him.

      • josh

        they have a right to boo him but i dont know if they are right to boo him. would like to see him get hot consistantly though. if he starts hitting like he can for a month or so he can carry the offense. it should be interesting because the rest of the lineup has been pretty hot for the last month or so. when some of those guys cool off it would be awesome if arod could go on a tear

        • Jack P

          Interesting point Josh, I’m not impervious to a rational argument like some people here are apparently allergic to, I hope A-Rod will not have the burden of carrying us, but just provide us with some clutch hits.

          • Giuseppe Franco

            I seem to recall one against Brad Lidge in the 9th inning – a dinger that tied up the game which they later won.

            He’s had a few “clutch” hits this season (with a still rehabbing hip and no Spring Training) if you bothered to pay attention.

            But it’s obvious you’d prefer to focus on the 60-70% that he fails rather than the 30-40% that he succeeds.

            • Drew

              Oof, that was to right field too. That was sweet.

              • Giuseppe Franco

                He had a walkoff dinger against the Twins as well – the second of three walkoffs in a row.

                • kunaldo

                  i was there…that was awesome

    • Jack

      “He heard the boos, which is always irritating. He didn’t deserve applause, but the guy who had driven in the Yanks sole run to that point doesn’t deserve the boos. Few, if any, Yankees do.”

      If you had your way Joseph the stadium would be a hippie get-together and we would cheer every out/run that ever happpened… get over it.. if someone doesn’t produce with RISP they will get booed… if you don’t like it (as it seems you dont) then stop following the New York Yankees… maybe the Nat’s or some other team with low-expectations would be a better stop for you… It’s the greatest franchise in the history of sports.. get your boo’s ready or just go home.

      Hooray reading comprehension!

    • Chris

      I know these are ‘stats’ but I think these are relevant:

      Record without A-Rod: 13-15
      Record with A-Rod: 18-7

      • Jack P

        Why don’t you add the pitcher’s ERA after A-Rod has come back? Yea left that one out didn’t you?.. the Yankee pitcher’s have been superb since then and that’s the main reason of our resurgence.

        • Drew

          So it is… Just a coincidence? Alex’s first AB of the year was proof positive, he brought a comfort level about this team that was missing.

          • Jack P

            …. really now? his first AB provided a “comfort level” are you the same kind of person who believes in the voodoo doll?

            • Drew

              CC and many guys on the team seemed to go along with that. The team changed when Al came back.

              • Jack P

                Quote CC on that then.. I’m waiting for it Drew.

                • Drew

                  Sorry, I don’t have transcripts of post/pre game interviews.
                  If you listen to either, when the players are asked about what his comeback means (or meant) to the team, many of them say he put a charge in this team. You can say it’s the pitchers all of a sudden got hot, you can say Teix all of a sudden got hot, but at that point you’re dealing with a lot of coincidences, all of which have one variable, Alex Rodriguez, arguably the best ball player in the game.

                • Joe LA

                  Unfortunately, my name isn’t Drew.

                  I took all of 5 minutes and went to Google though and found this quote, from the first day that ARod came back. The one where he hit the homer on the first pitch. With runners in scoring position.

                  “I think everyone was excited,” Sabathia said. “That was unbelievable, to come up first pitch and go deep with a three-run home run. It gave us a lot of energy and it helped me, too, to go out and pitch the way I did today.”

                  Some key phrases to look at here are:
                  – energy
                  – it helped me
                  – that was unbelievable

                  So it seems reasonable to say that yes, Sabathia DID say that Arod coming back helped the team.

                • Joe LA

                  and here’s my source:

                  http://tinyurl.com/oea9wj

                • John

                  I went through the trouble and found the article.

                  Here are the quotes:

                  “His impact on the game was clear right away,” CC Sabathia said. “First pitch he sees, he hits a huge home run. It’s been a lot of fun ever since. He’s added a swagger to our team and our lineup.”

                  “I think it helps everything,” Sabathia said. “The anticipation of getting him back was big.”
                  “Our runs may not have gone up, but we’re winning the close games,” Johnny Damon said. “That’s all about confidence.”
                  “Any time you have a guy like Alex back on your team and in the clubhouse, it raises everyone’s expectations,” Teixeira said. “Maybe that makes everyone play a little better, whether you’re a hitter or a pitcher.”
                  “I don’t think it’s a coincidence,” Teixeira said. “He’s definitely gotten me pitches to hit. A pitcher looks at Alex Rodriguez, he thinks, ‘Oh, no.’ Because of that, they’re not going to want to put me on base.”

                  “If Alex is healthy, he’s going to put up MVP numbers,” Teixeira said. “The only question people had was whether he came back too soon, but right now, he looks great and he’s feeling great.”

                  http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....tml?page=0

                • Jack P

                  Okay well I was wrong on this front, I’m not too big to say I wasn’t, good job guys on digging up those quotes. (Though a lot of those weren’t CC quotes and the one’s that were his were very circumstantial to the win… let’s say CC didn’t win the start do you think he would be saying the same thing?)

                • Joe LA

                  That Arod brings energy to the team? That he is a more potent threat than Cody Ransom? My God, if he didn’t say that, then I would seriously worry about his mental state.

                • John

                  Ummm my quotes are from like less than a week ago, not from that game. It means they are talking about his overall effect in the midst of a winning run.

      • Giuseppe Franco

        Let me add last season’s numbers as well:

        2008 record without A-Rod: 9-14

        2008 record with A-Rod: 80-58

        • Drew

          Can we get your commercials back and scrap the stop smoking one’s?

          • Giuseppe Franco

            No times for jokes. It’s now time to pile on the retarded kid who has some weird goofy thing about booing A-Rod.

            The people who booed A-Rod tonight are the same people who booed Teixeira last month as well as Mo after he surrendered a couple of bombs to the Rays.

            • Peter Lacock

              I was raised to never boo your own, no matter what. It’s the right thing and I have raised my own children the same way. Harass the enemy and make their job tougher, but never harass your own guys. Booing ARod serves no purpose but to give aide and comfort to the enemy. I do not relish confrontation but I will not tolerate this behavior and I always defend my team. Those that boo ARod are not true Yankee fans and are ignorant and uneducated MF’ers and I am always happy to spit that in their face anytime, anywhere.

              • JP

                I think fans have the right to boo. I also have the right to drink a case of scotch every day if I want to, but I don’t.

                Booing your own team is stupid, and selfish, or childish or something. As if we have to remind everyone that we just saw one of our players screw up.

                If you are disgusted with the team, you leave, or shut off the tv. I don’t think booing does any good.

  • Drew

    Ben, or anyone for that matter, did you see Andy grimacing and seemingly clutching his back on that close play at first with Swisher? I think it was the last out of the 4th. When I saw that, I was pissed because I figured his back was hindering his results, not the fact that he missed his side-sessions.

    • josh

      agreed. gotta love andys bulldog nature but it is may and we have an extra starter. hopefully he is not doing this because of the incentive ladden contract. the way this team is playing and the possibility of joba getting shut down by the playoffs, we will need him more later in the year than right now

      • Jack P

        Well as a previous RAB article might have suggested… Andy might be going for these innings just for the money incentive deal he got (I hope that’s not the case, as in Andy is my favorite Yankee) But it certainly is a possibility.

        • Jake K

          It’s funny that you called out Arod for “his PED circus,” yet your favorite Yankee is an admitted PED user.

          • Jack P

            Ah very true this is hard for me to deal with at times.. and though Andy admitted to PED’s, I’m sure we can all agree it not cause a circus like A-Rod (I suppose it’s because he is not as big of a player like A-Rod).. There is no way I can win this argument but Andy has been a hero of mine since I first started watching sports on TV.. and I will defend him to the end.. What he done was irrevocable sure.. but again I’m not going after A-Rod solely because of the PED’s (I still support him) but just his inability to come up in clutch and playoff situations.

            • Jack

              Then why did you bring up the PED’s in the first place?

              • Jack P

                Because PED’s (the length, use and reason) and different for each player, respectively.

                • Jake K

                  So you actually know how, why and for how long Arod and Andy used PEDs? Cause no one else seems to.

                • Jack

                  And none of us know the length, use, or reason for any player.

                • Jack P

                  True, but in any case I’m not going out of my way to defend Pettitte I know he has done wrong and you guys are making semantics out of one remark i made, my main argument is for the ineffectiveness of A-Rod in clutch/playoff situations.

            • Jake K

              Arod’s OPS with runners in scoring position (RISP) for the past five years: .994, .863, 1.138, .939, .894.

              Jeter’s OPS in the same situation: .971, .810, .882, 1.063, .741.

              Let’s see, by my count, that’s 4-1 in favor of Arod. I hope you boo Jeter even more.

              • Jack P

                So go ahead, go ahead and say A-Rod is more clutch then Jeter.. I noticed that you didn’t dare go that far even though you had all your fancy stats to back you up.. come on, I dare you. Anyone with two sets of eyes knows that you would rather have Jeter up than A-Rod in a clutch situation.

                • Jack

                  OK: A-Rod is more clutch than Jeter.

                • Jack P

                  can i please quote you on that? You must be too young to have lived from 96′-On during the dynasty years. And if you are in fact old enough… I feel sorry for you if you think A-Rod is more clutch then Derek Jeter.

                • Jack

                  1. Prove me wrong
                  2. What the fuck does my age have to do with anything?

                • Jake K

                  Actually, no, I wouldn’t. You’re entitled to your opinion, but stop claiming what you believe is what everyone else believes. Just stop.

                • Jack P

                  1. There is no need for cursing AT ALL.
                  2. If you didn’t have the chance to visually see all Jeter’s clutch hit’s (in the playoffs) then you might think A-Rod is more of a clutch player.
                  3. Chill out were all Yankee fans here, no reason to get so hostile.

                • Jack P

                  @ Jake K.. I am not claiming that I am representing what everyone believes, i respect your opinion and as i hope you respect mine, all I hope is that we respect the thousands of fans who attend the Yankee games.

                • Drew

                  Alex and Jeter actually have nearly the same exact amount of hits in the postseason since Alex has been here. 23 to 24, Jeter has 24. You’re holding onto Christmas past. You say Andy wasn’t booed because he won. One man everyone loves, Donnie Baseball, was in the playoffs once, never reaching the WS. That doesn’t say anything about the kind of player he was, similar to Alex.

                • John

                  soooo…Your eyes are more accurate than the stats? nice argument

                • Jack P

                  I’m not going to argue with everyones for some reason unforgiven love with A-Rod all I’m saying is that any day.. any hour.. any minute. of the week you want Jeter up there with RISP.. especially in the Playoffs.. yea give me your stats with RISP in the playoffs with Jeter and A-Rod.. let’s see if they coincide.

                • Jack P

                  @ John If you disagree with me then go ahead say A-Rod is more clutch than Jeter.. just don’t make some ridiculous statement then walk away.. man up and let us know how you feel.

                • Jack

                  I feel sorry for you if you think A-Rod is more clutch then Derek Jeter.

                  i respect your opinion and as i hope you respect mine

                  These two statements do not match.

                • Giuseppe Franco

                  Anyone at the Stadium who boos a Yankee player is a moron. It’s as simple as that.

                  Not suggesting they don’t have the right to do it – but I also have the right to call them morons for engaging in such behavior.

                • Jack P

                  Me feeling sorry for a poster does not mean I do not respect their opinion… for example if someone goes and curses at me (cough cough) there might be less respect for the sheer ingenuity and immaturity they are showing.

                • John

                  I personally would be comfortable with either as stats have shown they are both “clutch,” if there is such a thing. However, as aforementioned stats show, A-rod has been more clutch. You probably just remember Jeter’s clutch hits and A-rod’s unclutch hits more and think that Jeter is clutch while Alex is not. Don’t trust your eyes, they could be delusional. Trust the stats as they are reality.

                • Jack P

                  @ John You have a certain truth to your point with the stats.. but you have not backed your stat’s up with any post-season stats? Again if you want to trust the stats rather than your eyes… well then you would have rathered us having 50 better players on the 90′ Yankees then there were.. it was the plain fact that we were a gritty clutch team that made us to the WS.. show us one super-star we had on our team.

                • Jack

                  . . . there might be less respect for the sheer ingenuity and immaturity they are showing.

                  Immaturity? You mean like offering up an opinion and ignoring all evidence to the contrary because you didn’t see it with your two sets of eyes (cough cough)?

                • Jack P

                  Really now? Why don’t you look back at the few post i have made where i have agreed against my arguments? I do not curse (like an un-tamed wolf) and all i do is try to make my argument valid. Why don’t you take a valium and chill out so we can maybe have a rational argument between the two of us.

                • Jack

                  Why don’t you look back at the few post i have made where i have agreed against my arguments?

                  Which ones? I don’t see any.

                  I do not curse (like an un-tamed wolf)

                  I’m sorry for cursing. However, that act doesn’t make you any more right or me any more wrong.

                  and all i do is try to make my argument valid.

                  All you’ve done is ignore everything that didn’t match your argument.

                  Why don’t you take a valium and chill out so we can maybe have a rational argument between the two of us.

                  I’m all for a rational argument. Go ahead, argue your case.

                • John

                  I’d rather trust stats than my eyes. You keep doing whatever you want to make it seem like your thinking is right.

                • Jack P

                  Okay your going to make me go all this trouble man…

                  1. I’m not going to quote all my post’s where i have rationally agreed with some people on here with their opinions (all you need to do is scroll up)

                  2. Yea cursing does make you more wrong, as much as you think it doesn’t, in a sane argument cursing has no place in it. (If you think i’m wrong look at some youtube videos for reference)

                  3. What have i ignored? please explain more so i can reciprocate.

                  4. I have no idea what me and you are arguing against anymore, but if you wan’t to bring up anything then, I’m down for a rational argument. (without youtube curse words of course)

                • Jack P

                  @ John what stats are you talking about exactly comprise some post-season stats (asides for hits) and you might change my mind.

                • John

                  I don’t know how to find them but I’ll try.

                • John

                  How about this one:

                  WPA (win probability added) for Postseason:

                  A-rod: +.66

                  Jeter: -.33

                • John

                  Here’s another:

                  Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment.

                  This is postseason only BTW.

                  A-rod:+.37
                  Jeter:-.83

                • Jack

                  1. I’m not going to quote all my post’s where i have rationally agreed with some people on here with their opinions (all you need to do is scroll up)

                  I scrolled up. They aren’t there.

                  2. Yea cursing does make you more wrong, as much as you think it doesn’t, in a sane argument cursing has no place in it. (If you think i’m wrong look at some youtube videos for reference)

                  If you say so.

                  3. What have i ignored? please explain more so i can reciprocate.

                  You stated that A-Rod doesn’t hit well with RISP. Multiple people responded with his numbers w/RISP, which were, in fact, quite good. Your response? I feel sorry for you if you think A-Rod is more clutch then Derek Jeter.

                  4. I have no idea what me and you are arguing against anymore, but if you wan’t to bring up anything then, I’m down for a rational argument. (without youtube curse words of course)

                  We’re arguing A-Rod’s ability to hit with RISP. What’s the point of bringing up anything else if you just obtusely ignored everything that’s been brought up before?

                  Whatever, I’m going to bed. Go Yanks.

                • Jack P

                  I’m done arguing the same things, go Yankee’s, let’s just hope for a great season.

                • Jack P

                  Oh yea and heres just one example of me not killing someone because i don’t believe what they say:

                  “Interesting point Josh, I’m not impervious to a rational argument like some people here are apparently allergic to, I hope A-Rod will not have the burden of carrying us, but just provide us with some clutch hits.”

                • John

                  What’s the to argue anymore? We’ve provided stats for both the regular season and postseason to prove you wrong and now you’re done arguing…

                • Jill Santana

                  Wow, I truly enjoyed reading the exchange. As an A-Rod fan, it is great to see these states on A-Rod. They show he is much better than what people think about his abilities. Go A-Rod and go Yanks!

                • JobaWockeeZ

                  Hey John, don’t let stats get in the way of an arguement. Apparently their worthless and Jack P is always right.

  • http://lennysyankees.blogspot.com lenNY’s Yankees

    According to Marc Craig, Hughes isn’t available out of the bullpen until Friday. I would expect Aceves to relieve Wang tomorrow.

    • BigBlueAL

      Makes sense since Hughes pitched on Sunday and his normal start date would be Friday. Granted with CC going Friday not sure Hughes would be of any use unless they are going to use him as a setup man in the 7th and 8th and not just a long-man.

  • UWS

    To read some of the comments here and in the gamethreads, you might think Yanks were mired in a 10-game losing streak. The loss tonight was annoying, to be sure, but people really need to lighten up a bit ;)

    • Jack P

      Just a bit of hostile argument’s over a certain player… we are all Yankee fans and I’m sure we can all agree that we need to re-take 1st place. :)

      • Peter Lacock

        I don’t think you are a Yankee fan. Certainly not one I’d be proud to tell anyone about. Booing Yankee players makes you the enemy.
        How can you not comprehend this?
        You make being a Yankee fan suck. You make New York look like it sucks to players on other teams. You make Yankee fans a laughingstock around the country.
        You need to go back and get your GED.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          +1

  • Jill Santana

    I would never boo at Yankee player. And I would certainly never boo A-Rod.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    I’m sure you heard about the “Melky and the porn star” video by now, so here it is.

    http://withleather.uproxx.com/.....a-da-woman

    Nothing earth shattering, just a silly blond blabbing away and interviewing him. The Melkman is half naked and eating peanuts, so apparently he worked up an appetite somehow.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist
      • Joe R

        Im guessing that’s NSFW

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          Totally SFW. Just some cleavage.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

          If the “A” in “RAB” was for “Amish.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

    “I do not curse (like an un-tamed wolf)” – Jack P

    I think this is being slept on. Lay off the fucking profanities, dear RAB readers!

  • JoeSit.(ragman)

    For me what is frustrating is watching some run out ground balls!!

    I can accept that a pitcher can dominate certain days, yet when i see runners watching a ground ball into the glove of fielders and then getting thrown out. I see a lack of hustle, perhaps they could beat one of those throws and lite a fire!!!!

    Jetes, Gardner, Damon flying down the line. Cano, Melky etc. running and watching grr, burns me.

  • YankeeScribe

    Does anyone believe the Yanks can make the playoffs this year without A-Rod? The people who booed him last night are idiots…

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    As for that conversation above–I would rather have Rodriguez up in a tight spot than Jeter. The ability to hit the ball out of the park he possesses, along with his premium on-base skills, makes him more valuable in any situation.

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  • Manimal

    beat me by seconds.

  • E-ROC

    Cashman is laughing right now.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

    This goes for everyone: Enough with the off-topic comments. Just e-mail us breaking news. Game recaps doesn’t give you carte blanche for posting news about the release of someone on the White Sox.