Who is Sergio Mitre?

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Sergio MitreWith word of Chien-Ming Wang’s latest setback coming yesterday, it looks like newcomer Sergio Mitre might be sticking around for a while. I figured we might as well take a second to tell you about the guy, since we’re probably going to be seeing quite a bit of him over the next few weeks. Let’s start with a little background info.

Mitre grew up in San Diego and was drafted out of San Diego City College by the Cubs in the 7th round of the 2001 Draft. He was more of a mid-level prospect than a highly touted of stud, yet only Mark Prior reached the big leagues faster out of that draft haul. Mitre made his Major League debut in a spot start in Atlanta in July 2003, getting rocked for eight runs in under four innings. He made the Cubbies’ Opening Day roster in 2004, ironically filling in for the injured Prior. Sent back down once Prior came of fthe disabled list, Mitre did the up-and-down thing again in 2005.

With the Cubs looking to improve their offense and add a leadoff hitter, they packaged Mitre with prospects Renyel Pinto and Ricky Nolasco in December 2005 to acquire Juan Pierre from the Marlins. He started the 2006 season in Joe Girardi‘s Opening Day rotation, but was shut down with shoulder inflammation in mid-May. Mitre came back in August and finished the year pitching effectively out of the bullpen. He started 2007 in the Opening Day rotation, and enjoyed his best stretch of success in the show that year. In his first 17 starts (102 IP) he put up a 2.82 ERA and a 1.25 WHIP while holding opponents to a .665 OPS against.

Unfortunately, Mitre spent three stints on the disabled list that year because of blisters and a hammy issue. He came into camp the next year and faced just three hitters before being shut down with forearm tightness, but it wasn’t until mid-July that he went under the knife and had Tommy John surgery. Mitre didn’t pitch at all in 2008, and was released by the Marlins after the season. The Yankees swooped in and signed him to a split contract worth $1.25M with an option for 2010 in November on Girardi’s recommendation. Two months later he failed a drug test because a trace amount of androstenedione showed up in his system. Mitre took full responsibility and was suspended for 50 games, but was allowed to serve the suspense while rehabbing from TJ.

Mitre’s Yankee career started with him rehabbing from TJ in Extended Spring Training. That was followed by a pit stop with High-A Tampa before a move up to Triple-A Scranton. His last two outings with Scranton have been dynamite (14.2 IP, 11 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 13 K, 25-7 GB/FB combined), but more importantly, he’s stretched out and back to throwing 80-100 pitches per start.

Stuff-wise, Mitre’s primarily a sinker-changeup guy, throwing the former 70.3% of the time and the latter 16.0% of the time in his big league career. He fills in the gaps with a curveball and a slider, though his reliance on the curve has waned over the last few years. Girardi says he remembers Mitre’s sinker being high-80’s/low-90’s, and Chad Jennings says he’s been 90-93 with Triple-A Scranton. He generally gets about six or seven miles an hour of separation with the change. As you can imagine, he’s a groundball guy. posting a 2.53 GB/FB ratio in his big league career. For comparison’s sake, the guy he’s replacing in the rotation has career GB/FB rate of 2.70.

It’s fitting that one groundball guy is replacing the other in the rotation, and considering how terrible Wang has been this year, Mitre doesn’t have to do very much to match his production. SG over at RLYW already looked at the numbers, so I’m going to point you over there rather than doing everything myself. Simply put, if he gives the Yanks five or six innings of three or four run ball every five days, I think they’d take that in a heartbeat. Anything else is a bonus. Mitre doesn’t have to be a rotation savior, he just needs to hold down the fort until the team decides how it’s going to address it’s pitching situation.

Photo Credit: The Times-Tribune

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  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    You know Sergio?

    • Thomas

      I believe he is shortish, tallish with lightish, darkish hair.

  • Ivan

    I like this quote here if your in favor of Hughes in the rotation.

    Hughes said he is happy in either role. “I just feel that even if I was starting right now I would be pitching well,” he said. “It’s just one of those things where you hit a good groove. Everything’s working. There is good life on my fastball. I’m just on a good roll right now.”

    • pat

      It’s all about the confidence baby. He’s not afraid to challenge hitters anymore. He’s not nibbling and trying to make perfect pitches and getting himself into hitters counts where he has to throw a strike. Pretty amazing to see him get so badass in front of our eyes.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        It’s all about the confidence baby.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXngi6tUma0
        (Safe for work… but possibly not safe for life)

        • pat

          Hahaha. Random sidenote I’ve been contemplating- There’s no freaking way that wasn’t directed by Lonely Island. It’s shot he same exact way, has the same exact lyrical structure. It’s basically I’m on a Boat except with a Taco Bell theme. I can understand why samberg and co. wouldn’t want to be in the video but I’d have a heck of a hard time believing they didn’t have any creative input.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Well, they did give us this lyrical gem:

            Reached in my pocket, pull out some dough/
            Girl actin like she never seen a 10 befo’/
            It’s all about the Hamiltons, baby/
            Throw the snacks in the bag and I’m ghost like Swayze/
            Roll up to the theater; ticket buyin’s what we’re handlin’/
            You could call us Aaron Burr by the way we’re droppin’ Hamiltons/

            -Lazy Sunday

  • Drew

    I watched him pitch a few times down in Miami. I think that if he’s recovered from surgery well he can be an asset to this team.
    Great pick up for Cashmoney.

    • RAB poster

      Think about it; if Mitre does well, Cashman has looked like a genius this season. CC, A.J., Tex all have done well (CC could do better, Hinske has done well, Swishy has save RF from becoming a black hole.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        And even with all that, the team would have been even stronger if Nady and Marte hadn’t unpredictably gotten injured.

        • RAB poster

          Very true.

          Cashman has had a great season. H’es been doing so well we should stick him in the 8th and have Hughes start.

          Drum-drum, cymabl.

          Did I spell cymbal right?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Which time?

            • RAB poster

              All right, I’m confused. What does which time have to do with what I wrote?

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                You spelled “cymbal” twice. Once correctly, once incorrectly.

                I thought it was funny that you misspelled it and then spelled it correctly while asking if the first one was misspelled.

                Don’t sweat it.

                • RAB poster

                  Ah. You’re right.

                  C-y-m-b-a-l. Got it.

        • Drew

          And the Brune man.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            That too, but I was speaking only about Cashman’s recent (as in during the last year or so) acquisitions.

            But yeah.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        Cashman has looked like a genius this season.

        Well, except for the part where he refuses to return Hughes to the rotation.

        • RAB poster

          Is that Cashman or Girardi?

          Also, is that necessarily a bad move? Whether you think he should be in the rotation or not, there i enough of a debate that you can’t really call him an idiot for keeping him in the pen.

          • RAB poster

            there *is* enough of a debate

          • Ed

            Cashman is Girardi’s direct boss, so there’s a limit to how much Girardi’s opinion matters.

            • RAB poster

              But how much of a limit?

        • Drew

          First of all, how do you know he “refuses to return Hughes to the rotation.” Secondly, it’s REALLY hurting us right now seeing as how we’re in first and all, 18 over .500.

  • pat

    I can see him having two or three solid starts, a la Jeff Karstens, before the league catches up with him.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      +1

    • jsbrendog

      so you mean enough starts before the league catches up to him fo hghes to get strtched out in aaa?

      BUM BUM BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM

    • Tom Zig

      a la Darrel Rasner
      a la Sidney Ponson

      or maybe he can be

      a la Aaron Small

      more likely the former.

  • Mike HC

    I predict bad things here. As most people agree with me here, Hughes is the answer. I hope I am wrong, but I don’t get a good feeling here. The guy has not pitched in years. It goes to reason that he will struggle early, while improving overtime. But I highly doubt the Yanks will give him much time. I don’t get what the Yanks are waiting for with Hughes. If Mitre gets the opportunity before him, when will it ever happen?

    • Drew

      Take Philly out of the pen today and our bullpen will not look so good.

      • Bo

        It would be great trading the best set up man going riight now for Bruney or Melancon or Tomko. The team would revolt if they moved him right now. You think they give a crap about his future as a starter or hitting innings limits?

        • http://twitter.com/JamalG Jamal G.

          You think the Front Office personnel of any professional sports organization cares about what the players of their respective organizations think about personnel decisions that projects to improve the team?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          It would be great trading the best set up man going riight now for Bruney or Melancon or Tomko.

          Imagine Phil Hughes was an elite reliever and nothing more, he only had 2 pitches and no stamina, but he was filthy. Say, Joakim Soria.

          If we had Joakim Soria and Mariano Rivera, and you could trade Joakim Soria for, say, Rick Porcello or Ricky Romero, would you? I would. Remember, we have TWO closers in this case, and the back end of our rotation is Joba, Andy, and Sergio Mitre.

          I’ll take my chances weakening the bullpen in order to strengthen that rotation.

          • Chris

            For 2009:
            Soria WAR: 1.0
            Porcello WAR: 0.7

            If you’re only talking 2009, then Soria is more valuable than Porcello. If you’re talking long term, then of course you trade the reliever for a young stud starter.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              And Ricky Romero is 1.5 WAR.

              Which is why I included both ends of the spectrum. Romero has been consistently good. Porcello has been occasionally good and frequently pedestrian.

              Meaning the best of the best closers are equivalent to decent to slightly above average fringy 4th and 5th starters. And that good, 3rd starters are way more valuable than super-elite closers.

              The low end of the range of what Phil Hughes the starter is going to be is probably the absolute ceiling of what Phil Hughes the reliever is going to be. The odds are in our favor that Hughes pitches more like Romero than Porcello, and in doing so, he’s helping us win way more than Hughes the reliever.

              • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

                Really? The odds are in our favor that he pitches better than Porcello? How so?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Because he’s currently pitching better than Porcello.

                • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

                  In the bullpen. Your assumption that he will pitch this way, or even close to it, in the rotation is strange. To be honest TSJC, I think that you have come out very strongly on one side of this issue and it is clouding some of the reasonable arguments on the other side. If he were to pitch like Porcello as a starter from here on out, he would be worth .7 WAR. As a reliever thus far, he has been worth .74 WAR. Extrapolated over another 30-35 innings, that could be something like an additional 1.3 WAR, compared to the .7 of Porcello or 1.5 of Romero as a starter. This is not a slam dunk. It is just not.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  This is not a slam dunk. It is just not.

                  That part of it may not be a slam dunk.

                  The opportunity cost of having inferior pitcher X in the rotation (because Sergio Mitre figures to be an inferior pitcher) or the opportunity cost in prospects of trading for another 5th starter tips it more in my favor, though.

                • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

                  In Mitre’s last full season he was worth 2.4 WAR over 150 IP. Even if he does not give them 1.2 WAR over 80 IP, and gives them, say, .5 WAR, and Hughes would pitch somewhere between Romero and Porcello, say 1.2 WAR, that is a .7 WAR difference. If Hughes gave them only 1 WAR and Hughes’ replacement gave them something like Robertson gave last season (.34), that is about a .7 difference as well. Again, not so simple.

              • Chris

                The low end of the range of what Phil Hughes the starter is going to be is probably the absolute ceiling of what Phil Hughes the reliever is going to be.

                I guess this is where we differ. I don’t think there’s evidence that Hughes will miraculously become a solid #3 pitcher for the rest of this season.

                Romero is currently 7th in the AL in ERA among pitchers with at least 80IP. If that’s how Hughes (or any reliever) would perform in the rotation, then of course they should be there. I don’t think there’s any evidence that Hughes could perform at that level this year.

          • Sweet Dick Willie

            I’ll take my chances weakening the bullpen in order to strengthen that rotation.

            Strengthening the rotation automatically strengthens the bullpen, because a stronger rotation requires fewer innings from the bullpen.

            • RAB poster

              Not necessarily. Whether you think Joba should start or not (I do) you can’t deny that the bullpen was weaker because of it until they added Phil Hughes.

              • Sweet Dick Willie

                Yes necessarily.

                Look at it this way. Suppose the rotation averages 6 innings/start. You would need at least 4 and probably 5 quality relievers to cover the last 3 innings.

                Now, if the rotation averages 7 innings/start, you would now only need 3 (possibly 4) quality relievers.

                Since by definition the lowest guy on the depth chart is the weakest, the stronger rotation has indeed strengthened the bullpen.

                • RAB poster

                  You’d need less quality relievers but you’d be losing one of those quality relievers.

              • TheLastClown

                Only because Joba wasn’t consistently providing “quality starts.” That is, he wasn’t strong in the rotation, so he hurt the bullpen, which had to be taxed to compensate for his shortcomings.

                Joba-the-long-term-starter, as we saw in his past start, will ultimately provide length & save/strengthen the pen.

                • RAB poster

                  True enough.

        • jsbrendog

          yes bo, the team would revolt. what happened, you were doing so well…now, typical old bo.

          • Mattingly’s Love Child

            Meet the new bo, same as the old bo.

    • http://twitter.com/JamalG Jamal G.

      The guy has not pitched in years.

      He pitched in 2008.

      • Rich James

        he has not pitched in the majors since 2007

        • http://twitter.com/JamalG Jamal G.

          That he has, my mistake. However, I still retain my smart-ass tone because that is just a one-year absence, and what was said was hyperbole. ;)

          • Rich James

            fair enough

        • Zach

          its called surgery and rehab

  • Nady Nation

    Is there any way we can sign up right now for those 17 starts from ’07? How about IPK/Melky in exchange for those guaranteed numbers?

  • Bo

    How hard is it to pick up a back end starter? If thats the worst problem we have going forward be thankful.

    Why in the world would they mess with a great strength (the pen) to help the back end of the rotation when they can go out and get someone for cheap?

    • AndrewYF

      Thing is, the Yankees haven’t been looking to replace a 5th starter. Wang was their number 2 guy going into the season. Okay, AJ has filled that role admirably, but then they have a hole in the 3 slot of their rotation. Pettitte and Joba have pitched more like number 4s this season.

      So the Yankees don’t need a number 5, they need a mid-rotation workhorse.

      Then again, it’s not a terrible scenario for the Yankees. If Mitre is awful, they’re back where they started, which isn’t a terrible place. But if he’s even remotely successful, they’ll have filled their biggest hole.

    • Tampa Yankee

      “…when they can go out and get someone for cheap?”

      Ok, who then?

      • Chris

        Someone like Sergio Mitre.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Don’t bother. Bo doesn’t have meaningful or well thought out suggestions, just tired and repetitive nihilistic complaints.

        • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Dude that’s a bit harsh. He of Many Names may have a history around here, but this particular comment doesn’t warrant that kind of response. In fact, while I disagree with the substance of his comment, his tone is actually optimistic.

          • RAB poster

            At the risk of making enemies with TSJC, I agree.

            Please don’t ostracize me from the RAB society.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Optimistic, perhaps. Constructive or useful, less so. Accurate (the part about it being easy and cheap to add a 5th starter), probably not.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Harsh but true. If you can remember Bo having an actual plan or suggestion in all of his comments, please refresh my memory.

            So I apologize for the tone but maintain the validity of the content.

            • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              This one comment in particular, that we’re all writing in response to, was not a “tired and repetitive nihilistic complaint.” In addition, while I agree with you on the Hughes/rotation issues, it’s not fair to call someone’s counter-argument not “meaningful or well thought out” without addressing the argument, and to also say the commenter himself doesn’t make “meaningful or well thought out suggestions.” He offered a thought with which you, and I, disagree, but your response to his comment was a disproportionately scornful ad hominem attack, and I don’t think that type of response helps raise the level of discourse.

              I didn’t intend for this to become a conversation, I figured my comment would be a one-off comment, but I’m surprised you can’t, at the very least, just say “yeah my bad, that was a little too harsh” and leave it at that. Anyways, I’ll make this my last comment on the topic unless something new comes up.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Fair enough. I don’t think his comment particularly raised the level of discourse either, since it was part of his larger pattern of similar comments. It’s hard sometimes to divorce the non-constructive comments he’s made in the past from the ones he’s making now, when they echo the previous negative comments in tone or style.

                I’ll make a better effort to give him the benefit of the doubt since you asked me to and I respect your opinion.

                • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  I feel silly having this conversation… Your comment is much appreciated. I didn’t mean to make such a big deal out of this, I just think your word carries a lot of weight around here and you can really blow someone out of the water by dismissing them like that, and I just thought that in this instance, it was unwarranted. Anyways, your consideration of this matter is appreciated, and let us never be annoyed with this kind of discussion again.

                • RAB poster

                  Ahhh…I love happy endings.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  (shakes hand)

                  BTW, Raul Mondesi is still fat.

                • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  (walks away, muttering)

                • thurdonpaul

                  ok, group hug :)

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  ok, group hug

                  You pansy homos.

                  /IronHorse’d

                • Tank Foster

                  Applause to Mondesi and RAB poster, etc., for sticking up for Bo.

                  You have much to offer, TSJC, but for Pete’s sake to hold every single post of every single contributor up to your admittedly highly intellectual standard of “constructive-ness and well-thought-out-edness,” as well as dinging them for their past comments is, indeed, harsh. I’m as guilty of this as anyone on blogs, but you have to really read things over 2 or 3 times and think before you hit the submit button…

                • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Dude, the conversation was over and TSJC’s response, above, was more than sufficient to put it to bed. You’re piling-on. Let it go.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Will do.

                • RAB poster

                  I’d say thank you to Tank Foster but I don’t know if that would be tantamount to treason.

                  I think I’ve pushed my luck far enough already.

  • JohnC

    Someone in here mention Mark Mulder yesterday?

  • LiveFromNewYork

    I’m a big Phil Hughes fan and want to see him in the rotation but I think he needs to stay where he is this year. Let him replace Andy next year (or fill in the open spot). We KNOW he’s destined for the rotation.

    I like his attitude that he’s just happy pitching and being with the big club. I see great things for this kid. We always have but he’s had a few hiccups. I think we’ll see the greatness we’ve always known was there.

    • LiveFromNewYork

      I meant to say that is why Mitre in the rotation and not Hughes makes sense to me. I didn’t mean to be completely off topic.

  • UWS

    If the game happens (big IF), I shall be there in person and will be happy to relay my impressions, as seen from Section 409.

    • Sam

      Is there any chance they get this game in today? What’s the weather forecast looking like in the Big Apple?

  • Chris

    So Mitre came back from TJ surgery in less than a year. During that time he tested positive for steroids. Coincidence?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      He’s used an OTC supplement that contained Andro. He didn’t read the label and got caught. It’s hardly equivalent to Manny failing a test due to an off-cycle use of hormone replacement therapy drugs.

      So yeah, I’d say coincidence.

      • Tom Zig

        I remember reading an article saying that the label didn’t even say it had Andro in it.

        • Drew

          Most of the labels on strong weight lifting supps say “*This may trigger a positive drug test.” Or something along those lines.

          • Zach

            And certain Vitamin Water flavors were triggering positive drug tests for NCAA. But that wasnt the case, the suppliment had stuff in it that’s not legal to sell and they didnt put it on the label

            • Drew

              True but I’m just saying, all of the supps that I take aim at raising test, most of them say, “*This may trigger..” If he took 6-oxo like JC Romero did, it doesn’t say this. I’m just pointing out that most of the supps come with certain warnings.

        • Zach

          “As confirmed through the drug testing and grievance processes, it contained a ‘contaminant’ amount of an illegal, performance-enhancing drug. This was not listed as an ingredient on the packaging, should not have been in the supplement and certainly should not have been available for legal purchase at a store.”

          http://itsaboutthemoney.blogsp.....olice.html

          • Tom Zig

            Thanks for the link.

    • pat

      Gotta do what you gotta do. Looks like it worked out for him, as he served his suspension while rehabbing. Despite the knock on his credibility it’s a win win.

      • pat

        Or it was an accident. Good job.

        • jsbrendog

          THIS IS WHY WE CAN’T HAVE NICE THINGS!!!11!!1!1

          • LiveFromNewYork

            +1

        • AndrewYF

          did you just reply to and disparage your own comment?

      • jsbrendog

        but isnt credibility basically whether people believe you or not when you talk and pertaining to what you say?

        not making any judgements here but if he did it, got caught, and was like, crap. yup, I did that. suspend me, which is what I believe he did, then doesn’t that in a weird way increase his credibility that he isn’t like manny and all, i had a ocndition, it was prescribed, etc etc?

        • pat

          Actually yes, that’s very true. I guess I meant to say his reputation would take a hit. He would be considered a “juicer”.

    • Zach

      Hmm sounds like ANDY PETTITTE

      • RAB poster

        Remarkably so.

        • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

          Pettitte new he was taking HGH, though.

          • RAB poster

            True.

  • jsbrendog

    run run run all you do is effin run but you never run away from yourself

    hey, sergio, let’s get the hell out of here.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      Jane says, “I’m done with Sergio. He treats he like a rag doll.” She hides the television. Says, “I don’t owe him nothing, but if he comes back again tell him to wait right here for me or just try again tomorrow. I’m gonna kick tomorrow, Gonna kick tomorrow.”

      • bobtaco

        +!

    • http://leegrantphotography.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/madmax.jpg gxpanos

      pick it up pick it up oi oi oi

  • Tank Foster

    Well, he had a pretty successful stretch for the Marlins that year, so who knows? I know that many of you guys know alot about how players are “projected” to do, but every once in a while you do find a player who for whatever reason is stuck in the minors but is capable of pitching well in the majors. I’d rather hope for that, rather than just conclude he has one or two decent games and then gets shelled.

  • Salty Buggah

    For some odd reason, I’m having crazy expectations from Sergio, like a 2007 Wang part 2.

    It’s probably not going to happen but I have hope he can duplicate those good 17 starts from before.

    Probably stupid to hope that but oh well.

    • Drew

      If you check his game log. He hit some kind of bump on July 24th and was never the same. Maybe he was hiding an injury that eventually led to the TJ surgery.
      http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2007

      Up until the 24th he had been pitching great.

    • Jersey

      I think Wang 2007 is way too high for this guy, but I’ve got a good feeling that he can approach Wang 2005 for a string of starts, which would be totally acceptable given the circumstance. Gotta have faith.

  • Jake H

    Hopefully he gives us a few good starts. That’s all I want.

  • jjyank

    I’m really okay with this plan of action. I think Mitre is capable of giving us a few acceptable starts.

    When Wang first went down, I was in support of leaving Hughes in the pen. I don’t like the idea of jerking him around throughout the year. However, with Wang’s recent setback, I’m starting to believe it might be better to stretch Hughes out, on the condition that he does not get subsequently placed back into the bullpen later this season.

    The reason Hughes remains in the pen is most likely because the Yankees don’t know exactly what Wang’s problem is and are reluctant to move Hughes into the rotation just to move him back out.

    Anyway, don’t want to get too off topic here, this is about our boy Mitre. It seems like he’s had some success in the pen in the past, so it would seem to me that Mitre (assuming he pitches well enough) can fill in for Wang for the time being. If Wang returns (again, and if he pitches well enough)Mitre could be moved to the bullpen, giving us a long man to both spell Tomko from the roster and have someone capable to provide innings if Aceves is being used more towards the back-end of the pen.

    If Wang experiences another setback, it could likely end his season, as he is on pace to MAYBE return around mid-late August. Another setback means he could be coming back in early to mid-September at the earliest. I don’t know if the final two week stretch in a tight pennant race is a good spot to throw Wang into and hope he’s back in his old form. What I’m trying to say is that if Wang experiences another setback, we have to start stretching Hughes out. I think the Yanks are trying to get all the facts before making a decision.

    Hey, at least Mitre will probably be better then Ponson, right? Well, I hope so anyway.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Hey, at least Mitre will probably be better then Ponson, right? Well, I hope so anyway.

      I hope so too. Because if we don’t transition Hughes to the rotation and Mitre isn’t effective, the next option is probably calling Dayton Moore and trading a non-prospect for Sidney Ponson himself.

      • jjyank

        Fingers crossed. Watching him pitch was one of the more unnerving experiences I’ve had watching my own team’s starter….so….many…men…on…base…

      • Salty Buggah

        Or you know, we could just call up Kei Igawa…Igawa=Ponson, right?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          That too.

          • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

            Actually, there is a big difference, because with Igawa, you also get sunglasses.

            • Drew

              In ST I think he got off the glasses.. I’m not sure if he went back to wearing them.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              With Ponson you get booze.

              • Salty Buggah

                And a lot of sweat. Maybe we can convince Igawa to use some of his money to buy the RABers beer in exchange for another shot to start in the Majors.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Yeah, but, as the WBC taught us:

                  Sidney Ponson > The entire nation of the Dominican Republic

                  Can you say that about Kei Igawa? I don’t think so. He’s better than Micronesia, tops.

  • Salty Buggah

    If only we had enviable rotation depth…

    Damn you Cashman! We could have Smoltz waiting in the wings…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Is Jesus Montero a “Justin Smoak type bat”? If so, we can have Brad Penny by tomorrow.

      • jjyank

        Screw Penny. Trade Montero for Bard, straight up. Rotation AND pen problems solved in one fell swoop.

        • RAB poster

          Montero is WAY more valuable than Bard.

          • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Turn up the sarcasm-detector.

            • RAB poster

              Oh.

              Well then.

              Moving on…

          • Salty Buggah

            Its a joke…

            • RAB poster

              See above.

          • jjyank

            I thought that impying Bard’s ability to magically solve both our pen and rotation problems simultaneously would show that I was only kidding…

            • RAB poster

              It should’ve. I’m just stupid.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                (fighting the urge to make a dum-dum-cymbal joke here)

                • RAB poster

                  Fight the urge, man. Fight it.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        The Red Sox have no need for a catcher. They have Captain America.

        • Salty Buggah

          Yea, Buchholz is going to throw his 2nd no-no in his start because of him

      • http://leegrantphotography.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/madmax.jpg gxpanos

        Lord knows that Gammo annoys me as much as the next Yankee fan, but in his defense, when he wrote that Smoak thing, Penny was pitching not as poorly as he is now and it was more like “Penny is kind of valuable to the RS, so UNLESS someone offers a Smoak-type bat…” than “Penny is worth a Smoak-type bat.”

        I like the meme though, so we should keep doing it. I mean, it’s not even really that much of a stretch to say he would say that.

        • Andy in Sunny Daytona

          Buzzkill. :(

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          In defense of our misquoting Peter Gammons, when you say things like

          “Boston might be willing to move Manny Delcarmen, who might be able to close in the National League, but they’d trade him only for a significant bat. Incidentally, one scout says Ramon Ramirez ‘may be the best trade of the offseason. He could easily close if anything happened to Jonathan Papelbon.'”

          http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....mons_peter

          … I can understand how people’s flawed memory turns “Boston would only trade Brad Penny if they were bowled over by a Justin Smoak type bat” into “Boston thinks they can get a Justin Smoak type bat for Brad Penny.”

          • http://leegrantphotography.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/madmax.jpg gxpanos

            Haha touche, touche.

            I love how he’s like “INCIDENTALLY…I just heard…you know, just decided to THROW in this little nugget here…a scout, you know, an expert, said that the Ramon Ramirez trade…”

            Oh Peter. I cant hate you, but Mo knows I’ll never like you, either.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              It’s great reporting like that that makes him a Hall of Famer*.

              • RAB poster

                I like the *.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I give because I love.

              • Klemy

                It’ll never happen, due to his positive test for performance enhancing fiber.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      A clean-shaven Smoltz? Never happen again. You can’t be gritty without a damn beard!!!

  • A.D.

    Guy has been pitching well, and had stretched of success in the past, he should be just fine as a 4/5 starter, especially if the offense if going.

    If they’re rained out tonight does Mitre get skipped, or start tomorrow?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’d imagine it’s gotta be “skipped”. Any off day is a gift horse at the moment. Don’t look it in the mouth.

      • AndrewYF

        I dunno. They’re obviously going to need a 5th starter eventually, and as we’ve seen, giving Joba and Pettitte extra days of rest do wonders for them. Maybe they’ll just keep CC and AJ on regular rest and slot Mitre after them.

  • DSFC

    I can’t see him lasting more than three starts. Dude just isn’t very good.

    • jjyank

      Hopefully thats about all we need from him. I think Mitre will be as fine as a stop-gap, its not like we’re penciling him to start game 3 or 4 of he playoffs.

    • Drew

      That’s what a lot of people are saying and I don’t understand where they get it from.

      • RAB poster

        5.36 ERA?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Meh peripherals (5.4 K/9, 3.1 BB/9, 1.0 HR/9, 10.8 H/9, 1.545 WHIP), all in the NL?

          • Jersey

            His peripherals showed improvement in 2007, mainly because he cut down his walks.

            Anyway, probably belaboring the point – I could certainly imagine him bombing, I just think there’s evidence to be optimistic.

            • Drew

              My favorite is his HR/9 rate.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              He’s not really a good pitcher or a bad pitcher. He’s a pitcher.

              • Drew

                A STARTING PITCHAHH

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  http://www.instantrimshot.com

                  (btw, Mike Francesa would have an aneurysm if he heard about my idea to flipflop Hughes and Mitre in the pen/rotation. Maybe I should let him hear about it and see if I can induce that aneurysm, it may be in the best interests of the NYC sports discussion ether.)

                • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Has Francesa changed his tune now that he’s seen Hughes out of the ‘pen? Does he want Hughes in the ‘pen now instead of the rotation?

        • Drew

          He had some not so hot starts from age 22 to 25. Age 26 he showed a ton of promise. Struggling at a young age is nothing new. I thought we’ve all had that beaten into our heads by now. In his last season, he had a 4.6 ERA that was heavily inflated in his last 10 starts of that season. A few months after the season it was found that he needed TJ surgery. Maybe he was hiding an injury.
          http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2007

          • Jersey

            What I’m sayin’

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Can he do well? Yes. Is it likely that he’ll do well? Probably not.

        • Jersey

          I don’t know man, look what he did in his last season in the bigs: 4.65 in 150 IP (which matched his previous 3-year IP total combined) in FL, at age 26. That plus straight up dominance in Scranton this year leads me to believe that he could absoutely outperform that big fat career ERA.

          • Mike HC

            His last season in the bigs was two seasons ago and before he had Tommie John Surgery. It is nice to look at past stats, but this is a different pitcher than the pre surgery Mitre. He will have to re learn how to get Major Leaguers out. It could be a little while. Mitre will probably be better next year than this year.

            • Jersey

              Which is why I mentioned 2009 Scranton performance.

              • Mike HC

                Yea, he and Kei Igawa are pitching well down there. I don’t mean to come off as so negative about Mitre. But if I had to predict how his first two starts will go, I would say not. I have my fingers crossed though. Maybe he will come out with great stuff. I have not even see him pitch, so it is just a feeling. I understand if you disagree.

                • Jersey

                  Well, I guess we’ll all find out in a few hours…

        • jjyank

          Despite is ugly overall numbers, the guy has experienced some level of success in the majors before. Mitre was pretty far down on the depth chart to start the season, you can’t ask for that much when we’re talking about a 7th-8th string pitcher.

          I’m trying to be optimistic here. I know the chances of catching lightning in a bottle with Mitre are slim-to-nil, but some upside is better then none, right?

          • Mattingly’s Love Child

            Actually, I think at the beginning of the year the SP depth chart looked something like this:

            CC
            AJ
            Wang
            Pettite
            Joba
            Hughes
            Aceves
            Kennedy
            Kontos
            Mitre
            Igawa

            So right now the Yankees are on to their 10th string starter. If they get to 11, oh holy Mo save us!

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Perhaps we shouldn’t have moved two of those starters to the bullpen. Maybe one was wisely sufficient and two was dangerous overkill.

      • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Maybe from here?

        http://www.baseball-reference......se01.shtml

        I’m actually relatively optimistic about Mitre can fill-in and put up some decent innings for the Yanks, but I don’t find it surprising at all that people are pessimistic about him. His MLB numbers are pretty bad.

        • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Ok, clearly I didn’t see the comments above when I posted my comment, please disregard. My bad.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Your comments are nothing but nihilistic complaints.

            • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Richard Grieco, you see right through me.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Movies I never thought would ever be quoted by anyone, ever:

                -Night at the Roxbury

                [end of list]

                • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Ha, I know… It’s terrible… But I swear, it’s one of those terrible movies with a surprising number of quotable lines in it.

                • Nady Nation

                  +1

                  Emilioooooooo

                • jsbrendog

                  you know what he did? he tipped his cap. like so.

                • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  “Emilioooooooo”

                  … The Mighty Duck man, himself.

                • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Haha I love it, RAB with much love for “A Night at the Roxbury.” Who knew.

                • Nady Nation

                  Best part of that scene: Kattan eating Goldfish while standing on line to get into the club.

        • Drew
    • V

      Although, if you’d, oh, I don’t know, read the post (last sentence of paragraph three if your time is oh so valuable), he’s shown flashes of being a solid pitcher.

  • Mike HC

    The only thing that I think is positive is that he was suspended for 50 games for andro. At least we know the guy is trying and will be on top of his game. Ha.

    Even with PED’s, I think the chances of him struggling mightily in his couple of starts back is far greater than him going on a three game tear. The expectations should be extremely low here.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      The only thing that I think is positive is that he was suspended for 50 games for andro. At least we know the guy is trying and will be on top of his game.

      He cheated to get better and had the decency and thoughtfulness to get caught and suspended during the time he’d be unavailable to us anyway due to his rehab.

      That’s called being a team player. I love that level of dedication. Huzzah!

      • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        True Yankee material. Someone get that man a mustache, STAT.

        • RAB poster

          And a golden thong.

          • AndrewYF

            And a pet squirrel.

      • Mike HC

        Not like A-Rod, who decided to have surgery right before the season started

        /jumping on the “supporting A-Rod while sarcastically making fun of him” bandwagon (for one comment only)

        • RAB poster

          Join us. It’s fun!

    • jjyank

      And for the most part, they are. I don’t think any of us are expecting a stud sinker-baller to come in and dominate until Wang is back. But I think Mitre is capable of a few 5-6 inning, 3-4 ER type of starts.

    • Salty Buggah

      Expect the worst. Hope for the best. Little dissapointment.

      • RAB poster

        I disagree. Expect the best, prepare for the worst. Ben Franklin’s philosophy.

        A dumb arguement, I know, but I am a great admirer of Franklin and I try to follow that philosophy.

        • Mike HC

          That is the same basic premise but using different wording. Basically, be prepared for both success and failure. Don’t have blinders on.

          • RAB poster

            Right.

            Dumb arguement over.

        • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Dude you need a better name. Something with “Poor Richard” in it?

          • RAB poster

            I like the simple premise of my name. It fits my simple mind and old fashioned personality.

            • RAB poster

              And yes, simple as in stupid mind.

              Old fashioned as in not a stathead.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                It’s All About The Benjamins, Baby?

                • RAB poster

                  For some reason when I read that I got this brief but vivid vision of the playboy mansion.

              • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                One can be “old fashioned” and be a stathead. In time you shall see the light.

                • RAB poster

                  Maybe so THCM.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          My favorite Ben Franklin saying is:

          “It’s what I like to call the horizontal Jesus. Vertical Jesus are the songs that say ‘Lord I love you, Lord I praise you, Lord I thank you’ and horizontal is ‘I’m in a situation. This is the problem. How can I apply that now horizontally?’ There are more problems in the world because he’s not being applied horizontally.”

          No, wait, that’s my favorite Kirk Franklin saying. My bad. Nevermind.

          • pat

            Coincidentally, this is my favotire Kirk Franklin quote

            Check it out. Dustin Hoffman, ‘Rain Man,’ look retarded, act retarded, not retarded. Counted toothpicks, cheated cards. Autistic, sho’. Not retarded. You know Tom Hanks, ‘Forrest Gump.’ Slow, yes. Retarded, maybe. Braces on his legs. But he charmed the pants off Nixon and won a ping-pong competition. That ain’t retarded. Peter Sellers, “Being There.” Infantile, yes. Retarded, no. You went full retard, man. Never go full retard. You don’t buy that? Ask Sean Penn, 2001, “I Am Sam.” Remember? Went full retard, went home empty handed…

            Wait… that was Kirk Lazarus, my bad.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              I see an Emma Lazarus quote in our future.

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  • A.D.

    If Mitre can come up and pitch league avg and eat inning, I’ll be just fine with that.

    • TheLastClown

      1.0 IP, 1H, GIDP, GB, 0R Inning Eaten, Mitre FTW!

  • pat

    Come on guys, you can’t just import new arms.

    You can’t just wave a magic wand and three new guys show up.

    • RAB poster

      You’re right, you need to replace the wand with a wad of cash.

    • Klemy

      I cringe every time that commercial comes on. Thanks for inducing it at work now too!

  • jjyank

    The glamorous life of unpaid internships will prevent me from seeing most of Mitre’s start. Wonder if thats a good thing or a bad thing.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Since when does being a jizzmopper at the nudie booth qualify as an “unpaid internship”?

      • RAB poster

        Well that’s an interesting image.

      • jjyank

        You caught me, and you’re right TSJC, that’s not unpaid. I receive a paycheck from the nudie booth every two weeks. Under the table, of course.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          The last phrase you want to hear about receiving things at the nudie booth is “under the table, of course”.

      • Mike HC

        You escalated that one quickly. It is tough to start at jizzmopper at nudie booth. No where to go from there.

        • jjyank

          Sounds like a challenge to me.

      • jsbrendog

        jeez all io was gonna say was the rain, and not said unpaid internship would prevent the watching…

        that got out of hand quickly.

        • jjyank

          The internship thing was directed to me. I’m sitting in an office building in the middle of DC until 8:30ish tonight (without financial reimbursement), hence missing the majority of Mitre’s start.

          • Jersey

            Hey, me too! Except the 8:30 thing. The orange line always dumps me home just in time for the first pitch.

    • Klemy

      Verizon not carrying My9 games in the Buffalo area is going to cause me to miss them.Wonder if THAT’S a good thing or a bad thing.

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