Jul
27
Yanks reportedly working on deal for Arroyo
ByJeff Fletcher at AOL Fanhouse says the Yanks and Reds are working on a deal centered around starter Bronson Arroyo. Arroyo has been removed as the Reds probably starter for tomorrow, and apparently the two sides are haggling over how much of the ~$17M left on his deal will be payed by Cincy. Arroyo has made at least 32 starts and thrown at least 200 innings every year since 2005, but he has a 4.94 ERA over the last two seasons. In the NL Central.
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I dont know whats worse…the results he will have, or mike francesa’s reaction
Meh, he’ll talk about how awesome the 2004 Red Sox were, bash Cashman (even though he loves the move), talk about how Joba and Hughes can both stay in the bullpen forever, and mention Nate McLouth.
We all know his reaction already. No need to listen for it, you can write it yourself.
Don’t forget he’ll mention Andy Pettitte is a starting pitcha.
why? this will undoubtedly cost mroe then duchscherer player wise, and i can’t see it being equal to or less than snell….i would go for both of them and then throw it all at the wall….
i mean, arroyo is kinda not good.
whatever.
What you don’t think a flyball RHP with bad peripherals last time he was in the AL won’t me a smashing success?
Because teams that need a starter don’t trade for guys rehabbing off major surgery and hope that guys can step right in and pitch.
They also don’t trade for guys who haven’t been good pitchers since the early days of the Iraq War.
the iraq war began when arroyo was in college?
I will be so upset. If Bronson’s the only option keep Mitre in the rotation, he’ll give you the same as Arroyo.
My thoughts exactly!
The fact that they will most likely give up nothing and won’t be paying all of his 11 million that he’s owned next season, it’s not a terrible move.
It’s a better option than Mitre at the 5, and he’s a perfect #4 when Joba gets to his innings limit.
Also, with Cash saying that Hughes will def remain in the pen for the rest of 09, it makes even more sense.
The fact that they will most likely give up nothing and won’t be paying all of his 11 million that he’s owned next season, it’s not a terrible move.
The fact that he’s under contract for 2010 makes it a bad move, though. He better not keep Joba or Hughes from being in the 2010 rotation. I may have to kick Cashman in the nuts if the presence of Bronson Arroyo on our 25 man roster bumps Joba or Phil from a starting spot.
CC/AJ/ and then Joba/Hughes/Arroyo for the last 3. Wang is most likely done for 2010.
So to answer your question, no.
Wang is most likely done for 2010.
Where did you get that from? Wang is most likely done for 2009, yeah, but where did they say he’s out for next year too?
Oh, and, I’d rather give that third spot to the winner of Ian Kennedy/Sergio Mitre/Ivan Nova/Zach McAllister than Bronson Arroyo.
So now you’re counting on Wang after two seasons of inactivity/ineffectiveness? And we’re not talking Arroyo ineffectiveness, we’re talking historic “OMFG MY EYES!!!” ineffectiveness.
Did I say I was “counting” on Wang? No. I just wanted to know where it said he wasn’t in our plans.
If Wang is getting shoulder surgery due to a new tear, he’ll be done for 2010 as well.
Wang is less than 25 wins away from the end of his career. He is the Ed Figueroa of the 21st century.
I’m afraid you’re probably right.
think arroyo would essentially mean no pettitte next year
Pettitte is definitely gone but they shouldn’t replace him with someone *worse*
There would still be numerous other options available in free agency on a one year deal (plus in-house options like Kennedy/Mitre/etc.) who would be better pitchers than Bronson Arroyo.
don’t disagree with you or leokitty. just saying that this would definitely mean that pettitte’s gone
Yeah, but we probably already knew that.
maybe, except pettitte does eat innings. with no arroyo, could bring pettitte back to get us 200 innings again next year. with arroyo, that “role” is his.
Agree. I’ll hold him while you kick.
“and he’s a perfect #4 when Joba gets to his innings limit.”
This is the thing…he probably ISN’T. You’re assuming he’s the guy you remember from five years ago. But he’s not. He’s got a near-5 ERA in the NL central.
Who’s a better option? Mitre? Please….
Are we really getting crazy over a guy who’s a #4 or 5 that will cost nothing?
He’ll cost money and a rotation spot for 2010.
The thing is there’s no reason to think Arroyo will be better than Mitre, and with Mitre, if he sucks you can just cut him.
Look, if he’d been DFA’d and we signed him for the minimum, I’d be fine. If the Reds are taking Zack Kroenke and paying like…14 mil through 2011, so the Yanks won’t really be wedded to this guy, then OK.
But Francessa says Arroyo only has a bad start once in a while. That’s why his era is inflated.
See:
http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2009
He’s only allowed at least 5 runs in 10 of his 20 starts!
See?
GET ME ARROYO’S LAST 5 STARTS!
(chucks Diet Coke can across room)
One of the good starts was against the Mets — so that doesn’t count, either!
Seriously?
Take a gander at how ugly his peripherals are this year.
In the NL central.
1.47 WHIP, under 6 K/9, 3.4 BB/9. Not to mention the ERA over five and the FIP slightly higher than the ERA.
Brandon Arroyo is AWFUL. Mitre will do the same thing for a fraction of the cost. And next year Arroyo is owed ELEVEN MILLION.
And all those numbers are not a one year aberration, but a three year trend.
I can’t stress enough how bad this trade is.
Brandon Arroyo is AWFUL. Mitre will do the same thing for a fraction of the cost. And next year Arroyo is owed ELEVEN MILLION.
While I’ll agree with you that Arroyo’s a bad acquisition, the “He’s owed 11M next year” is a bit of a red herring, because we’re not going to be on the hook for most of that. Cashman and Jocketty are haggling over how much money they’re going to be paying us to offset his contract obligations.
FWIW.
I suppose that makes it a little better. As long as Cash only gives up a bag of balls.
The thing that really would irk me is if the Arroyo acquisition precludes a deal for Duchscherer.
Agreed.
Duke >>> Arroyo, both in ability and in risk.
It isn’t the money, it’s the space. Arroyo will use up a roster spot this winter and next year.
he replaces pettitte
The more cash they give us, the more likely it is we’re not just giving them a worthless prospect (if this happens, please don’t happen).
True, which makes this worse. Because we’re either paying in money for Arroyo or paying in prospects for Arroyo.
And the only appropriate thing to pay for Arroyo is nothing. He’s only worthwhile if he’s virtually free.
You nailed it … totally agree.
Gag me!!!
this is so stupid, you have a guy in house who would be better than arroyo and he costs the league minimum and no prospects. Arroyo isn’t even that good.
NO!
I hope not
please god no
thats like signing up for john smoltz
No, signing up for Smoltz would be better. At least Smoltz was good once.
Agreed, I’d take Smoltz 2009 every day of the week over Arroyo and his goofy leg kick.
Maybe he should audition for the Rockettes…
I’m glad they aren’t going in on the Halladay circus, because if you pass on Santana there is no way to justify giving up prospects for an older pitcher in Halladay.
But Arroyo is going to be serving up BP in the AL East. Waste of money.
Yankees, Reds Working On Arroyo Deal
Posted Jul 27, 2009 5:38PM By Jeff Fletcher (RSS feed)
Filed Under: Reds, Yankees, MLB Inside Scoop, MLB Trade Deadline
Email Print ShareText SizeAAAThe Yankees are in serious discussions with the Reds about acquiring Bronson Arroyo, although right now the deal may be hinging on how much of Arroyo’s remaining contract the Reds are willing to eat, major league sources told FanHouse on Monday.
“It will get done,” one source said.
Arroyo, 32, is due nearly $4 million for the rest of this season, plus $11 million in 2010 and a $2 million buyout or a $11 million option in 2012. Arroyo is 10-9 with a 5.21 ERA, but he has a 2.08 ERA in his past three starts.
Reds top officials met via conference call this morning, an indication to one big-league source that they were “close to a deal.” Arroyo has since been removed as the Reds probable pitcher for Tuesday.
Because we here at RAB are incapable of clicking a link.
Ugh, I’m most certainly not a fan of this move. You have to figure the PAID BASEBALL SCOUTS of the Yankees are more savvy than we internet folk, so what the hell did they see in Arroyo?
i have a feeling he will enjoy the new teammates and will be dominant for us if we acquire him.
hmm noooo…
I enjoy your enthusiasm.
TSJC – I’m wondering, exponentially, how much our grit factor will increase by acquiring another former Red Sock…
Hinske + Arroyo would be what?
Honestly, if it’s just a move for depth, I can live with it depending on what we give up.
The Yanks are going to get Arroyo but I dont want him. I rather go get Washburn.
For Melky and Gardner? Really?
This move will cost next to nothing, except cash, which I am pretty sure the Yanks have a room for that in the stadium.
But Arroyo isn’t good anymore in the NL Central, he’s not gonna be a plus player in the AL East and NYS.
Well, if:
is true, then no, I wouldn’t prefer Washburn over Arroyo.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....laday.html
Ah shit. noooooooo!
That is all.
Can he pitch the 8th?
All our pitchers can pitch the 8th. The Yanks lead the league in 8th inning pitchers.
I’ll be kinda pissed if I recognize who we give up.
I guess Ian Snell was too expensive. Justin Duchscherer must not have been to their liking. I’m not too upset if it happens.
maybe burnett could teach him a thing or two
Maybe ARod can teach him how to field pop-ups down the first base line.
i’d be fine with this but he’s signed for next year. please let this not be true
Sweet Mo.
Duchscherer is dangling out there…and Beane only wants a “modest prospect.”
Why, in the name of all this is Mo-ly, would you target Arroyo when Duke is really in play? This is an absurd waste of money that looks like a panic move, even though there’s no need to panic.
Cashman doesn’t know the meaning of panic. He’s the man, and everyone should know it.
Is Mitre > Arroyo that crazy????
Yes.
Mitre > Arroyo is pretty reasonable.
I like Mitre a lot.
I don’t like Mitre a lot, I just think he’s serviceable but probably subpar.
Arroyo’s still a worse option, though.
I agree. As mediocre as Mitre probably is, he’s been the victim of some unlucky defense in his two starts so far (Johnny Damon, DP ball in the first of his last start that Cano couldn’t handle cause it kicked off the mound). He’s not a great 5th starter but he doesn’t seem that bad, certainly not worse than Arroyo’s peripherals.
there’s no way we’d be paying him all the $17M.
expect to see the reds pay him the rest of this season’s $4M, the two teams will split the difference on next season’s $11M, and we’ll have to pay the $2M buyout.
so we’re on the hook for approx $7.5M
Mad loot for him
replaces pettitte’s $. and arroyo pitches pettitte’s 200 innings. that’s how i see it. arroyo replaces pettitte
Once again, Arroyo is worse than Pettitte. By a lot.
AND he leads MLB in homeruns surrendered, perfect fit for the team!!
Reason #4,080 Mets fans don’t have a clue:
http://twitter.com/_Oreo/statuses/2878448987
[ facepalm ]
Wait, so you’re telling me Arroyo ? Oreo?
You smug Yankee$ fans are all the same! *cries*
how the hell did you find that lmao
he hasn’t had a WHIP of less than 1.4 since 2006 and an ERA+ of over 100 since 2007, all in the NL Central. Yea, he eats innings, but he kinda sucks
oh, and yea this is a SSS (17 innings), but he has a 7.41 ERA in October
Bwahaha, typical Cashman. We’ll eat Arroyo’s salary and take Cueto off their hands for our troubles.
We wish.
I am not happy about this at all, watch C-Money give up some really good prospect for him…I don’t want him on the team this year, next year or ever.
Yeah, because Cashman has shown us he’s willing to give away really good prospects in recent years, such as Jeffrey Marquez and Jose Tabata.
When has Cashman ever traded a good prospect?
This is exactly why they are getting him! Because its all about money. If he was lookin for dominance he would send Montero to Cle for Lee.
FOR…EV…ER?!?!
Why’s everyone freaking out? He’s not THAT horrible, we’ll need another starter when joba hits his innings limit, and it gives us depth. As long as we’re giving up very little for him, its not worth killing yourself over.
He’s pretty horrible. A 5.21 ERA along with his peripherals in the NL Central gives me no reason to hope for better when he comes out to New York.
there’s no way we’ll be giving up anything for him, unless the reds pay his full contract. then maybe a b-level prospect
agree with Charlie here… who cares. if he sucks, cut him. oh, no… the yanks lost a few mill… OMG!
i wanna see a sergio vs arroyo pitching royale for worst starter on the yanks. the one who sucks less gets the job.
IMO, Sano>>>Acquiring Arroyo. Couple mil? no thanks, let’s get a mega-prospect rather then a guitar player.
… What? This is completely insane. The IFA draft budget is separate from the MLB budget. If the Yanks wanted to go after Sano they would have. How the hell is this relevant?
The dude said, if he sucks, cut him, it’s just a few mil. If we don’t give a shit about a few mil, why not just get a mega prospect?
Because they’re completely different things. The 3+ million for Sano is a huge part of the IFA budget, which is separate from the MLB budget (you know, the one around 200 million). We’re not talking about the same things.
Don’t you think if the Yankees really wanted Sano they’d be in the middle of a bidding war?
Dude. The two have nothing to do with the other. You’re looking into my comment too much. The guy is saying who cares about a few mil. I’m saying, I do.
Huh? Doesn’t all the money come out of the same pocket? Why does it matter what budget it’s part of?
…how much of the $17M owed…
If the Reds are interested in paying about $21M of his salary owed, I’d jump on this wagon in a heartbeat.
other than that, this Surgee-Oh! dude isnt looking all that bad…
I’m still hoping the Jays come to the realization that GIVING us Halladay if we agree to just TAKE Wells is a good idea…
No.
They’d have to give us MORE than Roy Halladay in order for us to take Vernon Wells. Vernon Wells’s massive contract instantly makes any team worse because he takes away from your ability to spend that money on actually useful players.
He’s the Zach Randolph of baseball.
only zach randolph is a complete asshole, not sure if vernon wells is. i get your point, though
The scary part about this deal for me is this could be an excuse for the yankees to keep hughes in the bullpen for the rest of the year, next year, and eventually he’ll be a reliever his whole. THAT would suck. A lot.
*whole career
Except Cashman has specifically said that Hughes will not be a reliever long term.
if that happens, it means Arroyo metamorphed into a dominant starter. if so great. but it will never happen.
Yea it sucks having a dominant reliever in the pen.
If it means that Arroyo is in the rotation, then yes, Lanny, it would suck to have Hughes in the pen.
Arroyo in the rotation and Hughes in the pen is MIND-NUMBINGLY STUPID.
no, it sucks wasting a potential number 2 starter in the pen. Let me guess, you want joba in the pen, too? That’s just an embarassing arguement to make. Its very simple: Starters>>>>>Relievers
well, not arroyo
I would argue, but whenever someone does you never reply.
This is a terrible move.
Paul Byrd > Arroyo?
Yes, only because Byrd isn’t signed through 2010.
might this mean the yankees are considering keeping hughes in the pen next year?
i’ll go into a deep depression if that happens, but it seems possible
now i’m rooting for it to happen.
drama queens…
next year’s rotation can still be: cc, aj, joba, hughes, arroyo
(means no pettitte and no wang b/c of shoulder surgery)
Here’s the one positive I can spin from that (since I’m always looking for both sides of the coin):
Since Arroyo isn’t Andy Pettitte, we have zero emotional ties to him, so when he’s pitching like Bad Andy next June, we can DFA him (since we’re not on the hook for all of his 11M) and promote Ian Kennedy into the 5th spot.
there you go. glass half full view doesn’t look so bad, huh
no
Aol Fanhouse and their reporters have said a whole lot of shit. Hopefully this is just one of the bunch that carries no real substance.
If, IF – we pay him a very, very marginal amount of his remaining contract ($1MM?) he at least keeps us from bringing up Igawa/Nova and could make for a long relief option. Obviously we’re not giving up anything good for this guy. But even still, I don’t expect much unless he somehow becomes old Arroyo. And I haven’t seen a Wayback Machine.
Oaktag.
Whats Wrong with Cashman this is a bone head move -________- might as well go for a top quality starter or even snell !!
“top quality starter or even snell !!”
Huh?
Well, both Snell and Arroyo probably have an equally slim chance of being successful AL East starters, but at least Snell doesn’t have a large contractual obligation (that can only be offset at the cost of a higher caliber of outgoing prospect).
So, trading for Snell >>>>>>>>>> trading for Arroyo
Saying someone like washburn , i didnt mean snell is a top quality starter , i think getting someone like washburn and then even snell is better than just chasing arroyo and his contract
what if there’s no contract to chase. guys, just wait until the terms of the deal are released. cashman’s not stupid (at least let’s hope not)
Get Moose on the phone! Offer him 5 million for 2 months. He’s got to be ready with his slow fastball, slower curve, and soslowyoufallasleep change up. I bet he’s better than Arroyo and it would be WAY more fun to get him back in pinstripes!
Don’t see the downside in having more pitching depth. And they obviously don’t want to trade montero and Joba for Lee.
I also don’t see the downside in more pitching depth. This was a poor way of obtaining that depth, though.
to be fair, you really do have to wait to see the terms. if we’re only paying 10 cents on the dollar and the prospect we’re giving up is in the marquez mold, then the innings he’ll log could be worth it.
They are not going to trade Arroyo if they are picking up 90% of the tab…I don’t know if I’d even call him depth, he can’t possibly pitch well at the Stadium.
and you know this how. you have to trust cashman. he’s not stupid
I have to imagaine that Kei Igawa will be heading to cincy
this could also hint that the yankees aren’t counting on having cmw next year
[...] Working to Acquire Arroyo Posted on July 27, 2009 by Matt Imbrogno Via Mike at River Ave. Blues, it appears that the Yankees and Reds are close to a deal that would send Bronson Arroyo to the [...]
I’m just wondering what is going through Cash’s head, how could he think this would help???? This isn’t depth, this is throwing money away
not if we’re not spending any $. just wait and see the details of the trade
I don’t see a way this can work out well for us unless the Reds eat most of Arroyo’s salary and take nothing more than a B prospect for him. Otherwise the Yankees are needlessly saddling themselves with roster and payroll inflexibility and/or thinning their farm system for a guy who’s not very good.
That said, if the Reds are so desperate that they are practically willing to give away Arroyo, then sure, maybe it’s not such a bad idea to take him.
that’s what i’ve been saying to everyone standing on the ledge here. just wait until the deal is consumated, if it ever does, before you lynch cashman.
If we get Bronson Arroyo…
LETS BURN NYS TO THE GROUND! WHO’S WITH ME?!
I am with you…we should all protest at the stadium..oh well when he gets here and makes his first start..he will get booed off the mound while warming up, and soon as he sucks, which he will no doubt, people will throw things at him. i bet he faces boston, he will give a solid 2 IP 12ER
No.
End of story,Cash, you sick peverted fuck.
Typical Cashman move, what’s next a call to the Mets to see if he can steal Livan Hernandez from them?
This (if it happens) is actually the opposite of a typical Cashman move.
Cashman is normally very good at trading for high salary players when they still have value. The Abreu and ARod deals were masterpieces in that regard. He got Swisher for next to nothing. The Nady/Marte deal was at least good on paper.
Going for Arroyo, who has a high salary, name recognition, and little else, does not seem like a Cashman move. It seems like a hack GM move. And that’s reason no.1 why I don’t think this will actually happen.
Well, on the bright side, Arroyo does have a sub 4 ERA in the second half for his career (around 3.90) and it is even better over the last 3 years (closer to 3.60).
don’t give anyone the bright side. nobody on here is willing to listen
“MLB.com’s Mark Sheldon says that Arroyo is indeed scheduled to start for the Reds tomorrow. Tuesday’s starter had been listed as TBA in error.” (MLBTR)
This seems like the ugly cousin of the Abreu/Lidle deal. We may not have to give up anything of value, but why take on a salary dump if a crappy player comes with it?
Maybe next we can trade Gardner and Melky and get Gary Matthews Jr. I’m sure the Angels won’t ask for much.
One of Brian Cashman’s most worthless ideas in his career…This trade is so bad, I wouldnt even consider giving them kei Igawa. worthless!!!!!!!!
Bah, damn minor league pitching injuries bringing the Yanks to this point.
Igawa for Arroyo and the Reds eat Kei & a lot of Arroyo’s salary… that could be doable.
I highly doubt this is actually happening… Cash has someone else on call waiting.
Just say no to Bronson Arroyo.
guys, theres a 2MM buyout for next year so don’t worry about Arroyo pitching just because he’s getting paid.
The buyout is for 2011.
The Reds should have to give the Yankees a prospect.
They just want someone who can throw a lot of innings and not get completely bombed. Mitre has shown that he can avoid completely bombed, but he’s giving them 5 innings a start. They want a constant at the back of the rotation so that the “giveaway spot” will at least stop killing the bullpen. I don’t think they have any big money moves planned next year anyway, so that’s not really a consideration.
This rumor is probably bunk. The guy who reported it said earlier in the day that “something was brewing” with the Reds, and had to make something up to justify it. The Yankees apparently have scouts in Cincinatti, and Arroyo was mistakenly listed as “TBA”, so he put some pieces together and created the rumor.
If you ask me, what the Yankees do will be dependent on what the Red Sox do. If they pull a huge move lets just say hypothetically Lee and V-Mart you’d have to expect a bigger trade than Arroyo. Washburn is my guy. I wanted him here last year.
No, it won’t be. The Yankees will do what they feel they need to do to fill out their roster adequately. You simply won’t see Cashman be reactionary, even if the Red Sox get Halladay and Adrian Gonzalez.
Or not.
http://twitter.com/PeteAbe/statuses/2879489096
No deal
I want Snell! (and Balentein)
Thank Mo this was a BS story.
NO!
ALthough my feeligs on Arroyo are mixed (simply can’t stomach
watching Mitre every 5th day) & yet I know his putrid numbers
would only get worse in the Al East. Still, this trade might be
worth it just to witness the reaction from the Sports Pope himself.
Can anyone imagine how enthusiastic he would be if this deal would
come to pass? I know sickening stuff. Although, maybe just maybe,
if he saw the attrocious Arroyo fail, he would admit his erronoeus
judgement? Nah, he’ll probably just bully poor Minko all winter
long.
Still, I think the boys in navy blue are going to acquire
someone to shore up that fragile back end of the rotation. I
understand no one here likes getting rid of prospects but if Mitre
implodes– be prepared for Igawa’s return. And no one wants to see
that (although, I’ll never forgot how he managed to shut down the
Bosox that one time). Also, I was wondering how the River Avenue
crew felt about another avaible Reds pitcher- Aaron Harang? I know
he gives up way too many hits (152) in his 127 IP! Still, I view
him as managable fix-up because of his expectional low walk
total (only 30), descent strikeout total (110) & adequate 4.25 era
in a notorious bandbox in Cincy. River Ave. I hypothesize- Is it
that difficult to imagine Mr. Harang re-locating his All Star 2006
form? Hey, I know pitching in Yankee Stadium II is no picnic but
maybe pitching for a winner is the right tonic to cease his 2 year
decline. Personally, I think its worth the risk if giving up a B
prospect to take a chance on Aaron.
No deal then for Arroyo… What this thread proves is we’re all (well, most of us), big fans of Sergio Mitre. Go, Sergio! (LOL)
How can you knock a deal if you don’t know a) what, if any, other deals are even possible, and b) what we’re giving up for the guy?
Almost any player can be a good deal, depending on the price.
I like Arroyo…stays healthy, and he’ll get his share of wins with the Yankee offense. I hope they don’t give up too much for him.
And I agree with the guys who are thinking ahead…Pettitte probably gone, Wang possibly gone. No way Arroyo is going to keep Joba and Hughes from being starting pitchers next year.