2009 Draft: Lane Meyer’s Draft Grades

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Draft coverage all-star Lane Meyer of NoMaas posted his review of this year’s draft class, grading the thing out on a pick-by-pick basis. I think Lane might be a little too optimistic with some of the grades (Caleb Cotham screams generic college starter to me), but there’s nothing wrong with that, and overall he did a great job. He gives the entire class a B+, but I’m a tough grader so I consider it more of a C+/B- haul because of the lack of an obvious impact player. Don’t get me wrong, Slade Heathcott and JR Murphy are studs, but more like above average regulars than true impact talents.

Anyway, make sure you head on over and check it out.

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  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Great work by Meyer. (He loves his Jersey boys, though, doesn’t he?)

    Oh, and:

    pat Says:

    PS- congrats on the baby
    PPS Show me your credentials.

    Remind me what this joke is in reference to again? I remember the fuzzy fringes of this story, but not all of it.

    • pat

      Wow a truly great and magnanimous poster must have made that joke. That’s what Interested Reader wrote on Lane’s blog last year. Something like “HAH schooled by Lohud” and “how can we take you seriously when you don’t have any credentials”. They crosschecked the IP’s and it matched up with comments abe had made in their message board. He claimed somebody else used his computer or something.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Thanks. I thought it was the PeteAbe thing, but couldn’t remember with absolute certainty.

        PS- You’re still a sick degenerate.
        PPS- Say hello to your mother for me.

        • pat

          Haha, now I’m gonna talk to a donkey. Hey donkey what goin on? You’re a donkey, I like that. You eat apples right? I produce Entourage. Ok, talk to you later Donkey

          • Alan

            Say hello to your mother for me.

  • Goldmember

    Decent draft. Not a crappy one, and not a top 5 draft either. I am very, very interested to see how the Yanks handle the next couple of drafts considering Bud Selig is pushing hard for hard slotting.

    My guess, if the Yanks make some good coin in the playoffs, we will see some serious money being spent in the next couple of years. What do you guys think?

    • AndrewYF

      The Yankees spend on the draft however much they see fit. It’s not affected by revenue.

      • Goldmember

        Ok, do they change what they see fit now that Selig is pushing hard slotting?

        • Zack

          Do you mean increasing the draft budget to get high talent before Porcello-like guys are locked into the top spots?

        • AndrewYF

          Of course not. Selig’s been pushing hard slotting for years. The only team that seems to care about slotting is the Mets, and look where that gets them.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          There’s probably a bunch of factors involved. Consider:

          -If the hard-slotted draft (TWSS) is imminent, ALL TEAMS, not just the Yankees, could be more willing to go overslot, seeing it as their last chance to buy elite talent before the system changes.
          -You may see a flood of DES’s and highschoolers willing to take deals, thus driving down their relative bargaining power since there’s more signability guys falling than before
          -Teams could actually gain the upper hand immediately, as agents would be forced to take slightly-above-slot deals now rather than settle for firmly-at-slot deals once the system changes.

          I think you could see the Yanks take elite signability guys and actually sign them to lower bonuses going forward if the Selig threat becomes more tangible.

          i.e., maybe Heathcott takes only 1M instead of 2M, because 1M is still better than 200k that he’d get when he re-enters the draft three years later.

          • The Three Amigos

            BOOYA.

          • Goldmember

            Yeah, but the chances of the Yankees being able to sign these guys a year later or 3 years later also diminishes.

  • Reggie C.

    Medchill, Gerritse, and Mack (and a slew of lower round signees) all land B+ (or better) grades, but Meyer then grades Stoneburner a B/B-. That seems alittle off considering the Stoneburner has been clocked at 96 post-draft according to Meyer.

    All in all … lots of optimism, especially in the lower portion of the signing class.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Remember, though, he’s not grading them on how good of a prospect they are, he’s grading them on how good of a pick they are.

      Getting a decent prospect in the 37th round nets you a higher grade than getting a good prospect in the 14th round, because the 37th round is generally a wasteland of abject failure.

  • Januz

    I think a grade of B-Plus is way too high. There were several guys who they did not sign (Alpin, McKenzie, Bruno & Lyons come to mind), that if signed, would have helped to warrent a B-Plus grade. That being said, the much lauded Kennedy/Joba Draft, has not exactly lived up to hype (David Robertson may be the best of the bunch), so a lot remains to be seen.
    I certainly do not think they deserve top grades like the Royals, Pirates, and especially the Rockies deserve. But they are not the Mets or Blue Jays either. I am going to be GENEROUS and give them a C-Plus (The Plus goes adding DeLuca at the last minute).

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      That being said, the much lauded Kennedy/Joba Draft, has not exactly lived up to hype (David Robertson may be the best of the bunch)…

      Batshit insane.

    • jsbrendog

      you really think david robertson is the best of the bunch from that draft class?

      • JobaWockeeZ

        It’s all aboout the instant results.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          (cleans out microwave, unwraps burrito)

    • AndrewYF

      Let me ask you, where did the Royals and Pirates pick? Now, basically take away that top pick and compare to the Yankees’ draft.

      • Goldmember

        Pirates top pick was not a top 10 draft talent by any stretch of the imagination.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          That’s not what he’s saying.

          And, you may be wrong; Sanchez has looked good so far.

    • YankeeGrunt

      No team is going to sign all of its DESes or HS guys. To me Lyons, Thompson and Meade were the only ones I regret, but we still inked a good percentage of our signability guys. Heathcott and Murphy are solid picks, though they used leverage to get overslot money when they were more or less slot picks. Cotham, Warren and Stoneburner are all solid prospects with legit shots at being pro pitchers, and we landed a few solid relief prospects in Brooks and Black. We had a few short-season bright spots, especially Mack and Medchill, and we have a few boom or bust late rounders like Golsan and Checo. All things considered I really liked this draft. B+ seemed fair in light of the picks we had and the prospects we managed to land.

  • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    Per Lane Meyer: “A young man without a postional home, Rabago’s one plus tool is his strong throwing arm. Baseball America even went so far as to speculate that he could have been drafted as a pitcher. However, after drafting him as a catcher the Yankees have already converted him to 2B.”

    Does that seem a little strange to anyone else? The kid doesn’t hit much and his only plus tool is his strong arm… So the Yanks convert him from catcher to second base? Come again?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Maybe we have plans to use him as an org guy, and his niche will be throwing really hard to first from second to train our young first basemen how to make tough scoops while keeping your foot on the bag.

      That’s all I got.

      • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Given the whole no-hit/big-arm profile, it seems strange that they wouldn’t just scrap the offensive side of things altogether and put him on the mound full-time.

        I mean, either that or try him at second base, of course.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I’m good with giving him a shot at the mound.

          I do have a fantasy, though: That Hector Rabago, with his great hustling, solid defense, ability to play multiple positions, and utter lack of any offensive talent can one day become the first ever scrappy latino guy.

          That would be sweet.

          • jsbrendog

            +300

            david eckstein but with arm strength?

            wow.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Hey, Padres, my shitty utility infielder can play catcher. CAN YOURS?!?!??!?!??!

              OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH, BURN!!!!!!!!!!

              • jsbrendog

                if david eckstein is still playing if/when this guy reaches the majors there will be a lot more wrong with the world….

    • Accent Shallow

      I thought they were trying him out as a super utility type player?

  • Januz

    It is very possible that Robertson may be the best of the bunch (Joba and Kennedy are in dire need of attitude adjustments), Melancon the jury is still out on, and highly regarded prospects like Brad Suttle and Dellin Betances have not exactly stayed healthy.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Use the reply button, please. We’ve been over this before.

    • Tom Zig

      There is a reply button in the corner, he is upset you didn’t click on him

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Based on the fact that Januz did not use the reply button, I have now downgraded his comment from a B-Minus to a C-Plus.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          Optimist.

    • pat

      As of now Robertson may be considered the most successful of the bunch. He’s certainly not the most talented.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        As of now Robertson may be considered the most successful of the bunch.

        Can he?

        Joba the not-quite-good-yet, still work-in-progress, sometimes brilliant but often horrid starter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Robertson the solid reliever

        No, Joba is the most successful one of that draft class, hands down. I love DRob and think he’s a damn effective reliever, but what he’s done is still not as impressive or successful as what Joba’s done, even if Joba has totally shit the bed the past two months.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          This.

        • pat

          Ehhhh, yeah I guess you’re right. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but it makes sense. Just off the top of my head I’d say D-Rob has been more valuable to the team as a late inning k machine (135 era+) than Joba has been while slogging through 4 and 5 inning starts (94 era+). Statistically speaking though, you’re correct. 146 approximately league average innings from a starter are are more valuable than 41 above average from a reliever.

          BTW, I hadn’t looked at the stats in a while but Joba’s year hasn’t been that terrible considering his age, first full season starting in the most difficult division eva. Sure his peripherals aren’t too pleasing to the eye but the results haven’t been as catastrophically as imagined.

          • pat

            *catastrophically bad

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Exactly.

            At his best, DRob has been lights-out for an inning or two. At his best, Joba’s been lights-out for an entire game. Joba’s had more scuffles than DRob has, and they’re more recent in the memory, but those recent scuffles shouldn’t outweigh the fact that he’s still been better at his peak than DRob has.

            Oh, and there’s several perfectly valid reasons to explain Joba’s scuffles. It’s not like the guy was good and then just started inexplicably sucking on purpose.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              Oh, and there’s several perfectly valid reasons to explain Joba’s scuffles. It’s not like the guy was good and then just started inexplicably sucking on purpose.

              Psh, yeah right. The only reason he’s sucking is because they keep babying him and keep guaranteeing him things.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                WHY WON’T GIRARDI AND CASHMAN JUST PUNCH THAT UNGRATEFUL LITTLE BABY IN THE MOUTH TO MOTIVATE HIM LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO WITH MY BOILING RAGE OF SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS!!!!!

                • YankeeGrunt

                  Joba’s had (brief) stretches of dominance this year and stretches of suckitude, and a whole lot of mediocre. He needs to work on economy of pitches, he needs to reach back and hurl at times, but so too does the team need to stop changing the “rules” on him. This constant adjustment of his boundaries, his innings, his rest, etc etc is a good way to mess with a young pitcher’s head. Next year, with a virtually unlimited innings cap, it should be almost completely on Joba’s shoulders. But New York fans need to stop being idiots about a young pitcher’s growing pains. If Cash had listened to the New York fans regarding Phil Hughes we would have given up on the kid long ago.

            • Bill

              Yes, that. However to say Robertson is more successful than Joba completely ignores Joba’s performance in 2007 and 2008 where he was much more dominant than Robertson out of the pen and was extremely effecitive in the rotation as well.

              Joba’s simply run into a rough spot in his career, but so far he has unquestionably had more success than Robertson who now is no more than the 4th best reliever in our bullpen. Joba has been our #3-4 starter pretty much all year.

              • Gurris

                I think you are all confused. You should judge Joba’s performance on what he has done over the past 5 minutes. In fact, he has not pitched at all in that time, which makes him utterly useless. Last year or even last week is soooo last year/last week.