Sep
04

Game 135: Will Joba find his rhythm?

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The Joba Rules. If I never hear that phrase again, it will be too soon. The rules are, of course, what would govern any young pitcher in Joba’s situation. But the media has taken the Yanks handling of Joba as a personal affront, and seemingly mock these “rules” at every turn (though there are obvious exceptions). The Yankees are in the precarious position of balancing short-term needs with long-term goals. Those are not easy waters to navigate. They’re doing their best, although mistakes have been made in the past.

The idea is that Joba will go three or four innings today, with an indeterminate cap on his pitches. This is in an effort to build him back to to the six, seven inning range by the time October rolls around. I hope this is the right move, though I’m not sure what, beyond completely shutting him down at around 150 to 160 innings, would be an optimal course of action.

Girardi won’t have the luxury of Al Aceves to back up Joba this time, nor will he have Chad Gaudin. If the game gets out of hand either way we could see the likes of Edwar Ramirez and Mike Dunn get in the game. Otherwise we’ll probably see Jon Albaladejo and Mark Melancon fill the middle innings, with Phil Coke taking the 8th inning slot. Presumably, Mariano Rivera is not available again tonight.

Toeing the rubber for the Jays is Roy Halladay, perpetual Yanks nemesis. Well, that is, until this year. The Yanks have tagged him for five runs in each of his last two starts. In fact, Halladay hasn’t been at all himself since the calendar flipped to August. He opened the second half strong, throwing back to back nine-inning appearances out of the gate, against the Sox and the Rays, and then had a rough but serviceable start in Seattle. He hasn’t been the same since.

In his last 42 innings, Halladay has allowed 27 runs, though only 22 earned. That’s good for a 4.71 ERA, certainly un-Halladay-ian. The big culprit: homers. He’s allowed eight in that span, a far, far cry from where he normally sits. That, and the .860 OPS against in August, doesn’t bode well for him as he faces the homer-happy Yankees.

Quite a strange lineup. Jeter has the night off, which is understandable, but Hinske batting second? Wouldn’t Cano be better in that spot? Anyway…

Lineup:

1. Johnny Damon, LF
2. Eric Hinske, RF
3. Mark Teixeira, 1B
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Hideki Matsui, DH
6. Jorge Posada, C
7. Robinson Cano, 2B
8. Melky Cabrera, CF
9. Ramiro Pena, SS

And on the mound, number sixty-two, Joba Chamberlain.

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319 Comments

  1. alex gonzalez says:

    why isn’t jeter playing? Is he hurt?

  2. pat says:

    Mall Cop threatened to make a citizens arrest if he didn’t bat in the 2 hole.

  3. Drew says:

    Anyone else think Blount’s year long suspension is a bit excessive? It will probably cost him millions of dollars for a mistake that many people make.. He was provoked and responded in a horrible way, that said, a year is just too much imo.

    • Salty Buggah says:

      Meh, it was a cheap shot. It was a really idiotic decision to do what he did. I dont have a problem with it.

    • Little Bill says:

      NO! He sucker punched a guy who wasn’t looking at him. Then he pushed his own teammate who was trying to calm him down and finally, he went after a fan. Blount should have been suspended for the year.

      • Drew says:

        It’s not a sucker punch if someone curses you off, provokes you, then turns around to laugh with his teammates. That’s a dick move..

        • Zack says:

          Come on man, taunts and vulger language happens all the time in sports- how many guys throw a punch? Not to mention trying to attack fans

          • Drew says:

            I understand that. Where I’m from though, if you yell at me, laugh in my face then celebrate with your buddies about it, you’re asking for something.

            • pat says:

              Drew gives the meanest indian rubs EVER.

            • Zack says:

              “Where I’m from though”

              So sick of that excuse

              • Drew says:

                I don’t know how often you’ve been cursed off/antagonized and were able to remain calm, cool and collected(/Kabak’d). Especially after a hard fought game.. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be punished. Just that the provoker deserves some blame and I found the punishment a bit excessive.

                • Zack says:

                  Who’s been on a field and hasnt been cursed at? How many college games are there a week? How many words are exchanged per game? How many guys react by punching the other guy?

                  Provoker does deserve blame, but no words (unless its a direct threat to oneself or family) are even enough to defend a punch.

                  The punishment may be excessive in your eyes, but wasnt he suspended before for missing team meetings or whatever? So he doesnt have a clean record.

  4. Salty Buggah says:

    Ugh, my summer is almost over. College starts on Monday. ;(

  5. mike jones says:

    Is Tim Kirkjian the only person on ESPN who likes the Yankees?

  6. alex gonzalez says:

    is this the website that was on tv?

  7. Dela G says:

    LETS GO YANKEES!

  8. Dela G says:

    even if halladay hasn’t been himself, i would give anything to have the luck the red sox have had this year and basically avoiding him almost every TOR series they have.

  9. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    I hope this isn’t the day that Roy breaks out of his post-trade deadline slump. He usually does very well against us, but this team is on fire, so I expect to take home the W.

  10. Dela G says:

    damn damon just waved hello to that one..

  11. Salty Buggah says:

    Fuckin Millar…go back to Bahston

  12. cmart says:

    I feel like Hinske always hits the ball hard

  13. cmart says:

    Ricciardi’s nose is serious

  14. Dela G says:

    jesus christ

    halladay is back apparently…

  15. VO says:

    Next inning we score minimum 2 runs.

  16. Brazilian Yankee says:

    That strike three to Tex didn’t look like a strike.

  17. Salty Buggah says:

    That was outside on Gameday…

    Fuckin Halladay better not do well today after stinking it up against Bahston twice.

  18. alex gonzalez says:

    Nice of Holiday to show up today. why couldn’t he against the red sux?

  19. BigBlueAL says:

    If the Yankees somehow win tonight, they should just cancel the rest of the season and hand them the WS trophy.

  20. Salty Buggah says:

    Holy shit, Rogers Centre is packed!…NOT!

  21. Dela G says:

    that was a WICKED curveball by joba

  22. Drew says:

    Um, sick curve, good velocity. I wish he could go more than 3 or 4 tonight!

  23. alex gonzalez says:

    Why can’t Joba throw 99 anymore. did some injury in his change to a starter hurt him?

    • Jersey says:

      Maybe a change in mechanics. Maybe dialing down from his max effort. Maybe still getting strength back. Nobody outside the organization is really sure.

  24. Riddering says:

    That second strike to Scutaro was pretty nasty.

  25. Salty Buggah says:

    Cmon Hinske…you had that

  26. Dela G says:

    fuckin A, i thought hinske caught that

  27. alex gonzalez says:

    is johnny damon is right field tonight? haha

  28. JGS says:

    if you can get that close to it, you can catch it

  29. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    I like the velocity Joba, keep it up!

  30. Dela G says:

    cmon joba, lets get a strike here

  31. Salty Buggah says:

    Kay is not that smart. Cone is right.

  32. Dela G says:

    my goodness hinske is terrible at RF

  33. Brazilian Yankee says:

    Joba crappy as usual.

  34. Riddering says:

    Whoever is scoring the game is daft, crediting that run to Joba rather than an error.

  35. JGS says:

    not that he had any chance of catching that one, but Hinske looks pretty bad out there

  36. Accent Shallow says:

    Oy vey.

  37. BigBlueAL says:

    The thing is, Im not even surprised anymore when Joba gets ripped or pitches poorly.

  38. cmart says:

    one of those nights huh

  39. Dela G says:

    excellent strikeout there joba

  40. Henry says:

    You know, David is saying exactly what my concern was, and that’s PITCHES THROWN, NOT INNINGS PITCHED. Before the game even started, Joba is already at 600 more pitches thrown than last year, which if you avg. it out to about 15 pitches per inning, for arguements’ sake, he’s already at 40 more IP than last year, which is how IMHO they should monitor Joba, not IP, as that can be deceiving because it doesn’t tell you how many pitches are thrown per inning, which is what hurts pitchers more so than IP, and how many stressful innings he has gone through.

    • Henry says:

      correction, David Cone

    • Accent Shallow says:

      And how do you know the Yankees aren’t monitoring that? They’re not gonna make everything public.

      • Henry says:

        I understand, but according to the “rule” we should only increase the IP limit by 30/40IP, and as I said, with those extra 600 pitches, that’s averaged out to 40 innings increase already, and mind you, that number is not getting smaller, it’s only getting bigger.

        • Henry says:

          so now add in however many more pitches he’s going to throw for the rest of the season, and in the postseason, which is when they will have him stretched out and hopefully be throwing 6+ innings and/or 100+pitches

        • Chris says:

          The increase is based off a career high, not last year specifically.

  41. Jersey says:

    Susyn just pointed out that Lind leads the league in XBHs. Didn’t know that.

  42. Dela G says:

    oh my god

    the defense

    is teh sux

  43. Salty Buggah says:

    Pena is not that good defensively in Toronto, huh?

  44. Drew says:

    This defense is great for getting two innings out of Jober… Come the fuck on.

  45. Accent Shallow says:

    Joba hasn’t been exactly sharp, but the defense isn’t doing him any favors.

  46. Bob Stone says:

    WTF – Where’s the defense – Hinske and Pena?? Terrible. Bring back the regulars.

  47. VO says:

    Pena’s role model is Hairston.

  48. Dela G says:

    man joba deserves much much much better than this

    you have any other competent fielders and he is out of this inning

  49. BigBlueAL says:

    No big deal, Im sure Joba will say after the game he threw the ball great and if he had Roberto Clemente in RF he wouldnt have given up any runs.

  50. Henry says:

    dear Mo, granted there have been errors this inning, but nonetheless they are ripping Joba right now…

  51. Bob Stone says:

    Yankees would be out of this inning with no runs with their regular players.

  52. VO says:

    This guy looks like he belongs in high school.

  53. Dela G says:

    thanks pena and eric hinske

    you guys f’ing cost joba a boat load of pitches

  54. Riddering says:

    Johnny’s gotta show Hinske how it’s done. :p

  55. Salty Buggah says:

    Well, if Pena and Hinske make the play, Joba probably has 0 runs that inning.

  56. yanke1313 says:

    Joba needs to learn the Greg Maddux 2-seamer.

  57. Accent Shallow says:

    Not a fan of Halladay’s delivery.

  58. Ace says:

    I swear to god I hope this guy isn’t able to pitch in the playoffs. I would take any starter on short rest over this bastard. Its turning into a freaking joke. 28 pitches in the first inning when he’s only expected to go four.

    If his name wasn’t Joba, he’d be a nobody and would be correcting this shit he calls pitching in the minors.

  59. BigBlueAL says:

    Joba’s ERA is now 4.41 and his WHIP is 1.52.

    • Brazilian Yankee says:

      Not really ace material as some of the guys here would like us to believe.

      • Accent Shallow says:

        Yup. A season like this means he’ll never amount to anything.

      • Riddering says:

        No one on RAB is trying to convince people that Joba is an ace in 2009.

      • Ace says:

        Don’t worry. The three Cashman puppets of RAB will spin the story in a way that convinces you it wasn’t Joba’s fault and that all he needs is more time to figure everything out. We’re only 135 games into the season so far.

      • BigBlueAL says:

        Well I dont think this season has anything to do with how good he can and I think will be in the next few seasons. BUT my point is for all the people trying to make excuses for him right now the proof is Joba pretty much is an average pitcher at best. No excuses for his defense and the “Joba Rules”. If Joba was pitching for the Red Sox right now he would be made fun of at every possible moment on this blog for being overrated (case in point Buchholz).

        Again I still think Joba will be a #1 or 2 starter in the futre, if not the near future, but right now he basically sucks.

        • Chris says:

          Joba doesn’t suck right now. He’s struggling. There’s a difference. He’s 23 and basically a league average pitcher. That’s a pretty big accomplishment.

          • BigBlueAL says:

            Well yeah I did say he is basically a league average pitcher. Your right he doesnt suck right now. Just is tough to watch though at times to say the least.

            • Chris says:

              I agree it’s frustrating to watch right now.

              The problem is there are almost no pitchers that come up and dominate right away (and those that do generally get injured – maybe a coincidence and maybe not). These struggles are the price you have to pay to avoid the problems the Yankees had from 2003-2008 where you’re hoping highly paid FA pitchers perform. I personally prefer the young pitcher approach – especially since he really only needs to be a #4 starter.

      • Chris says:

        Tim Lincecum had a 4.00 ERA and a 1.278 WHIP as a 23 year old in the NL west (just consider what Smoltz and Penny have done in the NL this year). The next year he won the Cy Young.

        I feel pretty confident that Joba will straighten things out in the next 2-3 year and be a certifiable ace (assuming he stays healthy).

  60. Dela G says:

    dont swing at the crazy curve he throws… he’ll get you every time

  61. yanke1313 says:

    Bleich 2 IP 4 ER.

  62. Dela G says:

    excellent strike zone for halladay….

    ugh

  63. Brazilian Yankee says:

    That’s bullshit. If the ump is going to give calls like that to Halladay we might as well forfeit.

  64. Jersey says:

    Eesh. Maybe Halladay really is back. This could be a long night.

  65. dkidd says:

    who would you rather have pitching a make or break game in the alds? joba or pettitte?

  66. Riddering says:

    Of course, Bad Halladay disappears as soon as he faces the Yanks again.

  67. Mike Axisa says:

    A-Rod shows the D how it’s done. What an arm. John McDonald is not slow.

  68. Mike Axisa says:

    Man, Tex should have let that shit drop. Hill didn’t run and Scutaro was standing there on first.

  69. Salty Buggah says:

    Man, the negative people are back today.

    • VO says:

      7.5 isn’t enough for them.

    • Little Bill says:

      Joba’s pitching. I think people are under the false impression that he’s supposed to be CC Sabathia. He’s the 4th starter and an infinitely better option in a playoff start than Mitre or Gaudin.

    • BigBlueAL says:

      Sorry. Joba just frustrates me at times. No bearing at all though on my opinion of this team. They could lose the next 3 games in Toronto and I could care less it still wont change the fact the Yankees are the best team in baseball.

      • Salty Buggah says:

        Well, you cant really complain about it as much as you do. He’s a young starter in the AL East and right now I expect him to be tired a bit too after blowing by his career high in innings. You gotta accept it.

    • Riddering says:

      Amazing, considering this is a team that wins even when their sixth starter gets roughed up and forced out of the game early.

  70. Drew says:

    Kay, your radar gun is wrong. The second fastball was 93. If he worked more often maybe he’d be aware of the gun situation..

  71. Salty Buggah says:

    I say the perfecto gets broken this inning.

  72. Salty Buggah says:

    Roy Halladay is the one pissing me off, not Joba. He suddenly gets going against us.

  73. Brazilian Yankee says:

    Maybe the Yankees should employ the Beckett Game Plan and swing early in the count. This approach of taking strike 1 and 2 before swinging the bat is clearly not working.

    • Salty Buggah says:

      Umm, no because they have a lot of movement and you will probably end up grounding out or popping out like Pena did (he swung at the 1st pitch). Besides, they are missing it like A-rod did.

    • Stadium Garlic Fries says:

      It works reverse in Doc’s case. That cutter is Mo like, keeps producing ground balls/broken bats. It will actually 90 pitch complete game shutout.

  74. Dela G says:

    wait i thought the ball actually had to hit the body, not the shirt?

  75. BigBlueAL says:

    If Im a MLB plate umpire I would be scared to be doing plate with Posada catching just like I am with some of the shitty catchers I deal with who are 13 and 14 yo. Plate umpires get a beating and have to constantly dodge bullets when Posada is catching.

  76. Accent Shallow says:

    I can live with Joba getting hit. What kills me is the lack of command or an apparent plan.

  77. Dela G says:

    damn, throw some strikes man

    pretty please?

  78. Dela G says:

    halladay gets that call on ball 3

  79. Salty Buggah says:

    Well, thats twice he hasnt gotten that low call. It was in the zone. As long as Halladay doesnt get it either.

  80. dkidd says:

    that would’ve been awesome

  81. Mike Axisa says:

    Holy crap, David Cone actually made a great point there.

    • Chris says:

      What was it? (I’m listening to the lovely tandem of John and Suzyn)

    • Accent Shallow says:

      The changeup bit, or the “Joba as starter” bit?

      • Mike Axisa says:

        The starter bit. That if he had just come up this year, everyone would be saying he’s had a nice year for a rook in the AL East, but after seeing him in the pen, everyone expects that.

        • Riddering says:

          Coney is on fire tonight with his reasonable points on Joba’s year and the way the Yanks are handling him.

          On the starter point: Not to mention, if the Yanks had waited to bring Joba up his innings limit wouldn’t be as much of a concern.

          • Zack says:

            And if the Yankees sucked they could shut him down and not hear a word about it.
            ie. What Tampa did with Shields a few years ago, and what O’s will be doing with Tillman and Matusz in about a week

        • Accent Shallow says:

          I agree with you there, but one of the reasons my expectations were so high was his 2008 as a starter. I don’t think any sane person expected him to maintain a 1192 ERA+ over a full season.

    • Bob Stone says:

      He makes his share of good points. He’s a very good color analyst IMO.

    • Drew says:

      If you’re talking about “if you didn’t see him in the pen…” I agree. The sad thing is next year will probably be a carbon copy with Hughesy. People are going to expect that shiny 1.4 ERA he has as a reliever, but in the starting role.

    • Little Bill says:

      Cone makes a lot of good points. You can tell he’s more knowledgeable than the average color analyst. He’s the best YES has.

    • The Artist says:

      His point about the strike zone changing with the elimination of chest protectors was a good one as well.

      I remember those things as a kid, and the high strike being called, but never put those two together.

  82. dkidd says:

    more fastballs please

  83. Dela G says:

    yucky

  84. Riddering says:

    Damn, that seemed to be a DP ball. Bloody astroturf.

  85. Brazilian Yankee says:

    If Joba wasn’t on an innings limit, this would be another one of those mediocre 5IP 4ER starts. That day in Texas really robbed us of a great starter.

  86. Riddering says:

    Joba can’t get a strike here.

  87. Salty Buggah says:

    I am SUPER stoked to see Dunn tonight. Hope he has a successful debut.

  88. Mike Axisa says:

    Where the hell was that pitch?

  89. Accent Shallow says:

    I was really hoping that the semi-regular schedule would help Joba regain his command. So far, that doesn’t appear to be the case. Luckily, he’s got a month to get his shit together.

  90. Salty Buggah says:

    Whoa, holy shit ball 11 to Scutaro was literally right down the middle on Gameday.

  91. The Artist says:

    I’m almost scared to calculate Joba’s ERA over his last 4 starts.

    It must be Beckett-esque.

  92. Salty Buggah says:

    Doesn’t anyone find it annoying that Kay doesnt bring it up the perfecto?

    Never mind, he just did but after 3

  93. Drew says:

    “I thought it was 3 all the way (except for when I speculated that he may go four).”

  94. The Artist says:

    That was some beautiful pitching to Tex right there.

  95. Dela G says:

    good god

    perfect through 4

  96. Karl W says:

    The Toronto announcers have mentioned the perfecto several times.

  97. BigBlueAL says:

    Just read, which I had forgotten, that assuming the Yankees finish with the best record in the AL they can choose which series format they would want in the ALDS.

    I assume they will choose the format where CC can go in Games 1 and 4 on regular rest and whoever starts Game 2 can go on regular rest in Game 5 as well, meaning they will only need 3 starters. Of course that would also mean facing Verlander and Edwin Jackson 4 out of 5 times too.

  98. Mike Axisa says:

    He’s only 15 outs away!

  99. Drew says:

    Oh shit, Mel is in.

  100. Zack says:

    why couldnt JP just trade halladay to the NL?

    • Drew says:

      In all honesty we may be better off with him in Toronto.. Yeah, we’ll get a few losses during the Regs, but not in late October.

  101. Salty Buggah says:

    MELANCON TIME!

  102. VO says:

    Are they seriously booing? Do they know who’s pitching?

  103. Drew says:

    95 mph with some movement. Nice…

  104. Dela G says:

    damn, a-rod looked like a shortstop there

  105. Salty Buggah says:

    Arm strength

  106. The Artist says:

    Cone-”Mark Melancon is a young pitcher, who’s trying to establish himself. It’s his way of saying YOU’RE IN MY WORLD, BITCHES!!!!”

  107. Doug says:

    He’s with leather.

  108. Doug says:

    54 mph fastball!

    Melancon: bringing back the Eephus pitch

  109. Accent Shallow says:

    I still hate Melancon’s delivery, but three groundball outs definitely works.

    • The Artist says:

      Some scouts say it makes his ball easier to pick up, other say it gives him more downward movement. If it works, it works.

      • Accent Shallow says:

        Good points. I was just talking about it from a “watching” stand point — I don’t like watching him work because the delivery isn’t smooth.

        Give me Mo or Mike Mussina any day.

  110. Salty Buggah says:

    Melancon to the rotation!

  111. Karl W says:

    let’s blow this perfecto

  112. alex gonzalez says:

    how are we going to do well if the playoffs if we are facing better teams. we cant even beat the blue jays. holiday has been terrible lately and now he is going to pitch a perfect game.

  113. Drew says:

    Fuck me I thought that was gone.

  114. Dela G says:

    DANG IT!!

    I totally thought matsui got all of that

  115. Doug says:

    Halladay is getting all of our guys in 0-2 holes so fast.

  116. VO says:

    Alright now ruin the no hitter.

  117. Karl W says:

    There goes the perfecto hahahahaha

  118. Accent Shallow says:

    Perfecto shmerfecto.

  119. Dela G says:

    YAY!!! JORGE!!

    No more perfecto!

  120. Tim says:

    This game is a PUNT

  121. Doug says:

    No perfecto for you! Come back – one year!

  122. alex gonzalez says:

    really lucky call, hope it helps the yanks.

  123. Karl W says:

    Idiot Toronto announcer says “Halliday is a master against New York.” Please.

  124. Dela G says:

    damn, he is really locked in tonight

  125. Brazilian Yankee says:

    Well, at least the perfecto is gone. Going in, this was a very hard game to win with Joba going against Doc. Let’s just please avoid further embarrassment and break up the no-hitter.

  126. Dela G says:

    damn, you take out jeter and all hell breaks loose on defense i guess

  127. Mike Axisa says:

    Cano lazily dives too far on that one.

  128. OmgZombies! says:

    Now whos idea was it for Joba to alter his picturing motion and rush his delivery? He has been doing that since the first few months of the season. Did I miss something or has it already been discussed. He is clearly no as effective pitching like that.

  129. Dela G says:

    toronto Le Jays!

  130. ShuutoHeat says:

    I hate Roger’s Center and it’s artificial turf…

  131. Dela G says:

    great job stopping barajas there

  132. Riddering says:

    Past a diving Teixeira?

    I blame Jeter!

  133. Dela G says:

    anyone else think melancon sorta kinda looks like babe ruth?

  134. alex gonzalez says:

    who is this guy pitching? why cant we bring out hughes for a long outing?

  135. Dela G says:

    percent chance we see the bullpen tonight for the jays?

    2

  136. BigBlueAL says:

    A 3-2 breaking pitch?? WTF??

  137. Mike Axisa says:

    He broke out the breaking ball with the count full and the bases juiced. Ballsy.

  138. Dela G says:

    fucking A melancon

  139. Tim says:

    Melancon sucks

  140. Dela G says:

    THANK GOD!!!

    on to the 6th!

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