Open Thread: Ground Rules Reminder

Link Dump: Sotomayor, Fresh Prince, AAA, fastballs
Game 152: Please beat the Angels

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Here’s your open thread for the night. The Mets and Braves are playing, and my guide says the MLB Network is carrying a game at 7pm, but the teams are TBA. Talk about whatever you want while waiting for the Yanks game, just be cool. And follow the damn guidelines!

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Link Dump: Sotomayor, Fresh Prince, AAA, fastballs
Game 152: Please beat the Angels
  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Something struck me as I was reading Chad Jennings post on the Scranton outfielders: One of the comps for Austin Jackson is Mike Cameron.

    Now, look at this:
    http://i669.photobucket.com/al.....ackson.jpg
    and this:
    http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/200.....ameron.jpg

    … Eerie.

    • alex gonzalez

      i dont get it. what am i supposed to be seeing.

      • Tom Zig

        two black guys who look alike

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        (writes caustic response; reviews commenting guidelines and deletes response)

        (takes deep breath)

        (softens response and retypes)

        They look pretty similar. I guess you don’t see it.

        (woo-sah)

      • The Lodge

        Isn’t it obvious? Mike Cameron is clearly lilliputian in comparison to Ajax.

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona

      I hope Austin goes with some nice pearls earrings. Diamonds are played.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Brian: You said you gave Mary Jane a pearl necklace, how much did THAT cost?
        Thurgood: Obviously, you missed the point of that story, Brian.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Yes, the comp referred to his cheekbones and jawline.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Austin Jackson’s career MiL OPS: .766

      Mike Cameron’s career MiL OPS: .768

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Mike Cameron’s personal secretary was named Lincoln.
        Austin Jackson once made it to third base with a girl in a Ford.

        WE’RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS HERE, PEOPLE!

        • bobtaco

          +1

      • Accent Shallow

        Things that depress me list: you threw out Cameron as a comp for Jackson, and prospect gurus didn’t think Jackson would be quite that good.

        Color me bummed.

  • pete

    i feel weird and dirty for saying this, but I think the new Twilight movie is going to have an epic soundtrack

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I don’t wanna sound like a queer or nothing, but I think Depeche Mode is a pretty sweet band.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        There’s nothing queer about that.

        However, the lipstick and pantyhose you’re wearing are another matter.

        • Scooter

          ietc

          Saw DM a little over 12 years ago at what used to be Great Woods in Mass. By the time they came on, I was a bit impaired, but they were OK live. Violator remains a great album

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Please tell me your girlfriend dragged you to the show.

            Please.

            • Scooter

              Nope – but a girlfriend forced me to watch 90210 and got me a C&C Music Factory CD.

              No long-term effects.

              And I like showtunes

    • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Please turn in your RAB commenting card at your earliest convenience.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I am SO going to Photoshop up an RAB membership card. Book it.

        Hey Joe, are we not doing that sidebar thing I gave you? Not appropriate enough? Doesn’t meet the standards of RAB? Too belligerent? I understand if the answer’s no, just curious if the answer is in fact no or if you’re just waiting for the right time.

        • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Ha, do it. I don’t have the photoshopping skills.

    • Accent Shallow

      pat confidence level = 8.5 (down from 10)

      Sorry, buddy.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Here’s your open thread for the night… Talk about whatever you want while waiting for the Yanks game, just be cool. And follow the damn guidelines!

    (reluctantly puts shiv back under mattress)

    • Greg G.

      Dude…what is it with you and that shiv?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Sometimes, you just gotta stab a guy. Because he’s asking for it.

        Sincerely,
        Ty Cobb

  • Greg G.

    This review of the guidelines seems like a good time to mention that you guys run a great site. Even on the days where I don’t comment much, I really enjoy your posts and the discussions that follow.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      +27

    • alex gonzalez

      agreed. this is the best yankee blog out there. well i may not agree all the time with some of your arguments, you guys do really quality work. there is no where i would rather be in the yankees blogosphere.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siYKRL4I3UA JobaWockeeZ

        Amen.

        • Scooter

          Great in any era, may I add…

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Drink it in… it goes down smooth, every time.

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    No mention of the AAA Championship on ESPN 2?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      It was featured on The Ocho.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        Do remember when they called it “The Deuce”? That quickly disappeared.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Sub-branding your network in a pseudo-hip fashion with a euphemism for taking a shit: Bad Idea Jeans

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I think this was the end of “The Deuce” era:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uczUKTwgqeY (safe)

          • Joey

            “I bet I do… Chris”

            lol never seen that one before

          • Andy In Sunny Daytona

            I thought it was staged then, and I still do.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              I thought they were both douchebags then, and I still do.

              • Andy In Sunny Daytona

                When in Rome…

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Yes, go on…

              • Ivan

                Still hard to believe that Jim Rome still has a job. One of the biggest tools in sports media history.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Pat Forde (who’s opinion counts about as much as yours or mine) mentioned how he’d fill out his AP Ballot if he had one:

    1) Miami
    2) Alabama
    3) Florida

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ortCat=ncf

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona

      If Miami gets through the next two games, they will make a believer out of me. Until then……..CATCH THE DAMN BALL JARMON!!!!

      December 5th, there will be a rematch, Holmes.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        P.S. – We both caught a break when Groethe went down for the season. USF is now toothless.

        • Tampa Yankee

          Dude I Have season tix to the USF games and saw the play, very sad way for him to go out. He has meant a lot to the program. But don’t sleep on BJ Daniels the new starter. What he lacks in experience that Grothe had he makes up for in talent (faster, more mobile with a way stronger arm than MG). The season is not over win Grothe out. You heard it here first…

    • http://martelli.mlblogs.com/melky%20c.jpg Drew

      Jacory is the real deal. I really like G. Coop too.

      • yankeegirl49

        Miami finally has a real QB…they are fun to watch! C A N E S!

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Joe, did you see Mo’s post today on Pearlman? He systematically ripped him a new one, which I enjoyed thoroughly. I know you like a good skewering of a poorly thought out sportswriter’s article, and that one was a doozy.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      He should expect a passive/aggressive reply from Pearlman sometime soon. Jay at Fack Youk got one after he took down the same article.

      Both were enjoyable. We’ve all had our say about Pearlman. Let’s let him crawl back into obscurity.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Joe, did you see Mo’s post today on Pearlman?

      Mariano Rivera writes caustic articles taking sportswriters down a peg?

      Man, there is NOTHING that guy can’t do! I bet he’s got the best fastball in the world, too. You can’t deny it.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Mo of TYU.

        Guess who Larry and Curly are?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Larry: Wallace Matthews III
          Curly: Mitch Albom

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Mitch Albom’s book on Morrie is awesome, dude. I have tons of respect for the man.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Actually, I respect most of the guys I make fun of ruthlessly.

              Except for Axisa, he’s a no-talent ass-clown.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                You’ll rue the day you crossed me, Mr. smithjohncarlos.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I’ll take “The Penis Mightier” for $400.

    • Greg G.

      Link?

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist
        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I like how Perlman makes his case that “Teams that win in the playoffs don’t have 4 solid starters, they have two lights-out starters” by citing an example from 8 years ago.

          The immediate question should be: “Why do you have to go back 8 years to prove your argument? Shouldn’t the intervening 7 years also prove your argument if you’re claiming this is the only way to win? Doesn’t the fact that you’re skipping over the intervening 7 years suggest that maybe those intervening 7 years contain evidence that disproves your claim?”

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Dingdingdingdingding. We have a winner.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Rational thinking will get you nowhere with him. It’s his narrative, and it makes him feel good.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            How to shut dfown the man’s entire arguement utterly:

            1. The braves DID win a WS in 95′ basically by relying on their starters almost solely.
            2. What TSJC said.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Since the topic of music came up already, what have you been listening to lately? What’s on you I-Pod, home or car stereo and what have you been listening to that you can’t get enough of?

    I’ll start. I’m exiting my ‘anything from Brazil’ phase and have spent the past week listening to Joe Satriani non-stop. I forgot what an amazing guitar player he is. And the more I listen, the more lil nuggets I discover that I missed the first zillion times I’ve listened to those songs.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’ve been locked on K-Billy’s Super Sounds of the Seventies all month.

      • alex gonzalez

        you know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in paris?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          They call it “wrong movie reference”.

          • alex gonzalez

            i know. i am a huge quentin tarantino fan. all of his movies still rank below scarface for me though.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              (fights urge to say something)

              • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                Seriously, Sex Police: Elevator, Amanda Falls, Sister.

          • Scooter

            “Gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?”

            I’d put Res Dogs over Scarface – but if we’re talking movies about crime, it goes something like

            Godfather, Pts 1 & 2
            Goodfellas
            Miller’s Crossing
            Casino
            Heat
            Once Upon a Time in America
            White Heat (Cagney at his best)
            the Untouchables
            with some I’m forgetting.

            I confess to loving Scorsese and the Coen brothers. DePalma is OK – nothing more

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              I confess to loving Scorsese and the Coen brothers. DePalma is OK – nothing more

              +1.

              Scorsese at his worst >>>>>>>>>>> DePalma at his best.

              DePalma is a bit of a hack.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Also better than Scarface:

                Carlito’s Way
                Donnie Brasco
                The Departed
                Mean Streets
                City of God

                • alex gonzalez

                  i havent even heard of half of those movies. i doubt they can be better than scarface.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  The Departed was the bomb. I saw that flick last year, and I went on a three month gangster movie kick.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  alex gonzalez says:

                  i havent even heard of half of those movies. i doubt they can be better than scarface.

                  See, I know that you’re not serious. Nobody who cites Aristotle’s Rhetoric would say blatantly counterintellectual shit like that.

                  You’re playing yourself out, dude. You’ve taken your routine too far, and jumped the shark.

                • Ivan

                  The Departed is just plain sick. You can make the arguement that the departed is just as good if not better than “GoodFellas”

                • http://martelli.mlblogs.com/melky%20c.jpg Drew

                  Carlito’s Way and Donnie Brasco are two of my favorite movies of all time.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Even more mob/gangster/crime movies better than Scarface:

                  Once Upon A Time in America
                  Road to Perdition
                  Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs (already stated)
                  A Bronx Tale

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  Loved Bronx tale.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  I co-sign with Artist.

                • Ivan

                  I love “A Bronx Tale” no doubt, but Idk if I label it a mob/gangster movie.

                  By the way,

                  U forgot about Casino and GoodFellas.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  They were already stated by Scooter.

            • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Co-sign. Scarface is fun, but doesn’t belong on that list.

    • Ivan

      All I have been listening to in my ipod has been Blueprint 3 and Man on the moon: the end of day by Kid Cudi.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I’ve heard Blueprint 3 is pretty “meh”. Confirm or Deny?

        • http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2008/07/23/rose460.jpg makavelli
          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            … not sure what you’re trying to say here.

            What are you trying to say?

            • Ivan

              I think he’s tryin to say “fuck Jay-Z”.

              To me, Jay-Z would wipe the floor against 2Pac.

        • Ivan

          Put it this way, out of 10, I’ll give it an 8. The production for the album is ridiculous (in a good way lol) and Jay-Z’s raps were very well done.

          To me this is jay’s best album since the “Black Album” and Blueprint 3 is the album that Kingdom Come was suppose to be but wasn’t.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Thanks for the review.

            For a frame of reference, if Blueprint 3 is an 8, what are Kingdom Come and The Black Album?

            • Ivan

              Kingdom Come wasn’t bad trust me, but it didn’t really reach expectations in my opinion. I give it 7/10

              The Black Album in my opinion is one of fav Jay albums and was a great all around album period. The only albums better than the Black Album was Reasonable Doubt and the 1st Blueprint.

              • Ivan

                By the way Black Album: 9/10

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                The fact that you gave Kingdom Come a 7 lowers my enthusiasm for Blueprint 3’s 8.

                Kingdom Come would make a nice coaster, but CD’s aren’t very water-absorbent.

                • Ivan

                  Well maybe a 6.5

                  Kingdom Come isn’t bad at all but wasn’t great either.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I wish I had more hands, so I could give Kingdom Come four thumbs down.

                • Ivan

                  LOL ur a funny man.

                • darthdavid

                  Blueprint three is on the same level as kingdom come. It is just mixed better. The only stand out tracks are the ones with cudi, mr hudson, and pharrell.

                  Black album is a good bye letter that is just false. fuck that album.

                  Nas > Jay always has and always will be..

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Nas > Jay always has and always will be..

                  Yeah… no.

                  Nas made the best hip-hop album of all time. After that, it’s been a bunch of slop. I can listen to Illmatic over and over again. The rest of his collection is not worth owning, frankly.

                  Jay-Z is like Walter Payton or Emmitt Smith. Nas is like Gayle Sayers. One burned brighter than any other, and then was gone. The other kept piling up yard after yard after yard after yard until he stood atop the game.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siYKRL4I3UA JobaWockeeZ

        Kid Cudi is for the win. I’ve been listening to Soundtrack 2 My Life all day. That and ‘already home’ with Jay Z.

    • pete

      i cant stop being obsessed with radiohead. I go through album phases as the weather/my broad emotional landscape shifts. Other than that, The National is terrific, Pat Metheny (if anyone’s heard of him) is, I think, as talented a musician as there is, the beatles (walking through NYC the day the remasters were released was amazing – the whole world was listening to them at once it seemed), white rabbits are pretty cool, grizzly bear’s solid, christian scott, old nas, tribe called quest, bon iver, coconut records, and of course miles davis. yah i’m a little random in my tastes

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        …cause you’re a creep……but you’re a wiiiiinner

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          Weirdo. The line is weirdo.

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    This from a guy on lohud. I actually really like this idea.

    I have had a wild thought and I’ve thrown it around to people throughout the season with mixed results. I think that Cano should bat in the 2 slot and Johnny should be moved to the 5 hole. Sure, Cano isn’t as fast as Johnny, but if his problem has been RISP, then batting him second shouldn’t be a huge problem. He has the average to bat behind jeter and keep him moving. He does ground into a lot of DPs, but not enough to really say that’s a huge downside.

    Then, by moving Johnny down to 5th, you give him less ABs (he’s getting a bit older and you can see his stroke slowing down a bit as this season has progressed), and you take better advantage of his power. Instead of all of the solo and 2 run shots he’s hit this season, you’ll give him chances to bat with more guys on base.

    Just a thought, what is everyone’s opinion?

    • 27 this year

      the thing is, I really like Matsui in the 5 hole. He is having a great season with the bat and comes through with runners on and I wouldn’t want to move him to 6th. Damon becomes a little wasted in my opinion all the way down at 6 but that is just my opinion.

    • alex gonzalez

      cano is not ready for that by any means. we can try that when he actually knows how to hit in clutch situations. i dont want him trying to bat with the lineup turning over in a close game.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      (checks Johnny and Robbie’s OBP’s)

      Hmmm… nah.

      Now, if Johnny’s bat slows more and Robbie improves his pitch recognition and starts walking more in the offseason, maybe, but for now, I think Robbie is probably the perfect 5-6 hitter: Not necessarily a great OBP guy, but has good pop and can turn one loose from time to time. Solid hitter, but not a top-four hitter.

    • http://martelli.mlblogs.com/melky%20c.jpg Drew

      My opinion is that it’s September 22nd and Damon is our #2 hitter.

      Now, if it wasn’t the end of the year and you asked that question, I’d say I’d rather have the OBP guy in front of Teix and Al.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Bingo.

    • whozat

      I’d rather have Johnny’s extra 30 points of OBP in front of Tex and ARod. And he’s still out there for 9 innings; fewer ABs isn’t really going to help. And, at this point, the difference will be negligible on that front anyway. So remove that from the argument altogether.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Cano doesn’t get on base enough to hit #2. If anything, he’s a #5 hitter when he grows up.

  • http://www.twitter.com/MatthewHarris84 Matt H. :: Sec105

    just wondering, what’s the email addy for?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’m a Nigerian prince and I’ve just come into some money; I need your help to set up a US bank account. I can give you half.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Lou Gehrig might have thought he was ‘the luckiest man on the face of the Earth’ but I’ll have him know I win the British lottery at least 5 times a day.

  • pat

    Anybody else read TMQ? He’s my favorite writer over at espn but he never gets any pub or recognition. I guess he needs more Karate Kid references or famous friends or something.

    • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Easterbrook?

      (shudders)

      • pat

        Not a fan? He seems like one of the few people who actually knows his shit and doesn’t rely on gimmicks and crap to be entertaining.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I’m with pat. I like Easterbrook.

          Then again, I like Simmons, too. Yeah, he’s a Boston assclown, but he admits it and is actually fairly levelheaded about it.

          ——————-

          The best way to be unbiased is to admit that you are prone to bias.

          Sincerely,
          Senator Jeff Sessions with a Brain

        • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Sorry for the late response, nice little 1.5 hour cable-outage in my neighborhood.

          No, not a fan of Easterbrook. I don’t have patience for 5.8 gajillion word Easterbrook masturbation sessions about dubious science with a little football talk sprinkled in for good measure.

          I won’t get into it here, but I’m also not a fan of his work on climate change. Do a little givoogling and you’ll see what I mean.

  • Accent Shallow

    I really think the Yankees could have handled Joba better this year. They way they handled him made it seem that the goal was to get him 30+ starts, rather than to get him 150-175 innings.

    150-175 innings could have easily been attained by skipping a start here and there, and occasionally giving him a long break between starts (with possibly a relief appearance in garbage time to keep him fresh), as opposed to the current Spring Training-style plan, which everyone seems to hate.

    Additionally, who remembers when he was the team’s second best starter, even though he was struggling? Yikes.

    • http://martelli.mlblogs.com/melky%20c.jpg Drew

      Skipping a start here and there post ASB was not ideal. They started doing that but then scrapped it and went with abbreviated starts. Every pitcher is different and every plan has it’s pros and cons. I really don;t think thee is a right or wrong way to handle a pitcher. The best way is probably to start them on regular rest throughout the year until they hit their limit. Unfortunately, this is not an option for title contenders

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Agreed.

        Which is why title contenders should consider shutting down their elite young pitching prospects in April before they start rather than in September as they finish.

        /beatingthedrum’d

        • Accent Shallow

          You keep posting this idea, and I don’t like it, because an injury really throws a wrench in the works as far as getting innings.

          I’d rather have the prospect as the 5th starter, and skip/push them back when necessary, with possible occasional pen work.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            It’s a difference of prospect development opinion.

            You don’t want them to start late, because an injury derails their shot at reaching their innings totals. (That risk is also present in your strategy, but whatevs.)

            I don’t want them skipped or pushed back, because I want them on regular rest and rotation. I think irregular rest and rotation leads to poor results and increases chance of injury by screwing with their rhythms and leading to overthrowing.

            No plan is perfect; all plans have flaws and risks.

            • Accent Shallow

              Yup, all pitchers are fragile creatures. Nothing we can do about that. (Except, of course, pine for the days when men were men and threw 280 innings regularly).

              What I don’t like about starting someone late is the removal of room for error, although I believe it’s done occasionally. I can’t, however, think of any pitcher treated this way who was expected to contribute on the MLB level that year — those pitchers seem to get the Billingsley/Joba v.2008 treatment, at least from what I can recall.

              (Of course, any GM who would rely on my anecdotal evidence should clearly be fired.)

              Maybe the Yankees think Hughes is good for 180+ IP and all this is moot. I just hope he’s healthy and effective.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      I don’t think anyone cam claim this experiment was a success. But the Yanks were feeling their way around in the dark. Its been years since they developed a top flight starter, and the innings limits are fairly new as well.

      I hope when Hughes goes through the same process next year (and he will) that they simply give him April off, and let him pitch every 5th day afterward. They can still skip him occasionally as the #5 guy with off days, but let him pitch like everyone else. There’s something to be said for the routine of a starter, and allowing a pitcher to get into a rhythm.

  • JobaJr

    I’m torn on whether to root for Greinke against the Sox and officially put to bed CC’s Cy chances.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Greinke all the way.

      Crush the Sox hopes and dreams.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      There is no discussion at this point, it’s Greinke, then Felix, then everyone else.

      Greinke could allow 24 runs without a recording an out tonight and still have a lower ERA than CC.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Greinke’s 2009 AL ERA+ of 204 is the highest since Pedro Martinez’s 210 in 2003.

        This race is over.

        • Ivan

          That’s tremendous. And it’s amazing how he’s not getting the fan fare he should of for having this type of season.

          • http://martelli.mlblogs.com/melky%20c.jpg Drew

            ..not that amazing to me. The dude is in Kansas City. I haven’t even seen him pitch yet this year.

      • Accent Shallow

        I’d like to see some pitcher (any pitcher!) allow 24 runs without recording an out.

        • Accent Shallow

          And as a follow-up, here’s a Play Index report of the most runs allowed without recording an out:

          Ex-member of Generation K Paul Wilson has 8. Twice.

        • Scooter

          Here’s an interesting old boxscore:
          http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=230627102

          Notice the Marlins’ starting pitcher, and his line

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            A Carl Pavano and Byung-Hyun Kim matchup…

            (claws eyes out)

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Trivia: Who is the pitcher down in history for the highest career ERA?

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Alex Rodriguez.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Good guess, but no. He was the mentor for the REAL record holder.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Correct answer: Joe “Fire” Cleary, career ERA of 189.0.

                  http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml

                  That he was mentored by A-Rod has been verified by Angel Berroa, who was a veteran of 90 years at the time.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I dunno who it is, but I know some position player back in the 70’s or 80’s pitched to a few batters without getting anyone out, giving him a career ERA of infinity.

                  Is that who you were talking about?

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Needs to be a pitcher, not a position player who pitched a couple of innings.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Copy, gotcha.

                  There was never any pitcher who ever gave up a run or two and never got an out? Ever?

                  I’m shocked that the highest career ERA is not infinity.

                • Jack

                  Correct answer: Joe “Fire” Cleary, career ERA of 189.0.

                  http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml

                  I like “Appearence on Leaderboards” section.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  He didn’t intentionally walk a single batter all year. I like that kind of bulldog mentality. He just went after the hitters, wasn’t afraid of anyone.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Good situational pitcher too. No sacrifice flies allowed. I like that kind of bearing down when things get tough.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  I like how his nickname is ‘Fire’ since he clearly was incapable of putting one out.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Well, he was capable of setting one…

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  If he was a reliever, his nickname would be “Arsonist”

                  . . .or Felix Heredia, whatever you prefer.

          • Jack

            From the game notes section:

            BOSTON MANAGER GRADY LITTLE AND BOSTON PITCHER HECTOR ALMONTE WERE EJECTED IN THE TOP OF THE NINTH INNING AFTER ALMONTE THREW A PITCH BEHIND ANDY FOX AFTER BOTH TEAMS HAD BEEN WARNED IN THE BOTTOM OF THE EIGHTH INNING.

            Really, Grady? The lead was 25-6 at the time. You can’t just let that one slide?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Paul Byrd FTW.

    Depth!

    • http://martelli.mlblogs.com/melky%20c.jpg Drew

      Awesome! haha

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Depth.

      “Penny and Smoltz could easily win more games than Sabathia and Burnett.”

      /Perlman’d

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        The best word in that sentence is “easily”.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siYKRL4I3UA JobaWockeeZ

        Haha too bad he changed it.
        http://jeffpearlman.com/?p=1084

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          That’s pathetic.

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    5-0 Royals.

    • Scooter

      That’s 5-starts-worth of run support for Greinke

  • Steven

    Since being down 8-2 in the bottom of the 5th yesterday, the royals have outscored the red sox 15-1

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      THE SOX ARE BREATHING DOWN OUR NECK! THEY’RE RED HOT!!! WE’LL LOSE THE DIVISION FOR SURE!!!!

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siYKRL4I3UA JobaWockeeZ

        And when you see Francesa implying that people are overreacting then you know you’re overreacting. Hell Francesa even said he’d rather have Joba as a starter for the playoffs…but wants him in the bullpen as soon as it’s done.

      • http://martelli.mlblogs.com/melky%20c.jpg Drew

        WE DON’T EVEN HAVE A 4TH STARTER!!!11!! THEY’VE GOT 3!!11!!!

        TAZAWA, BYRD AND WAKEFIELD! WE’RE SCREWED!

        • http://martelli.mlblogs.com/melky%20c.jpg Drew

          I MEAN 4! MATSUZAKA TOO!!

      • Ivan

        Paranoid Yankee Fans’d

  • bonestock94

    Nice, in the very least we should see the mick tonight.

    • Tom Zig

      chickens didn’t hatch yet

      • bonestock94

        Hence the usage of “should” rather than “will.”

        • Tom Zig

          fair enough

  • Tom Zig

    Paul Byrd = Sergio Mitre

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Proof that HGH in the absence of steroids does nothing.

    • http://martelli.mlblogs.com/melky%20c.jpg Drew

      Paul Byrd = Mitre – Potential

      • Steven

        Paul Byrd= Mitre – his right arm

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Heh. It’s actually:

        Paul Byrd = Mitre – Potential + Douchebeard

      • Tom Zig

        this is a better representation

      • scooter

        heh…

        I still think Mitre can be decent.

        Think back to our Dotel experiment – he couldn’t get out major league hitters 15 months after TJS. Mitre was there in month 12.

        Even with IPK, ZMac and Nova lurking in 2010(nevermind a rehabbing CMW), Mitre and Gaudin are decent depth (esp with Eiland’s work with Gaudin on improving his slider)

        • http://martelli.mlblogs.com/melky%20c.jpg Drew

          I’m one of the few that like Mitre. 92+ MPH sinkers are hard to come by. I think he’s going to be good, he’s just entering his prime now. Plus, he’s got a sick slider and a little change.

          • Jack

            I like him, too. Seems like a decent dude.

  • http://martelli.mlblogs.com/melky%20c.jpg Drew

    What happened to Mike’s request of the Torre pic?

    I suggested this:
    http://silentarchimedes.files......-small.jpg

    There is no number but we all know his number…

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    It’s possible that we could get to the Boston series knowing a sweep clinches it for us.

    • Tom Zig

      my scenario is still possible too

      getting to the boston series with a magic number of 4, and then winning the first 2 games.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        You’re right, I’m sorry. I’m thinking each win only reduces the magic number by one, when it’s really by two. My bad.

        • Tom Zig

          you’re scenario is also possible

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            I know, but I was thinking that it was the ONLY possible scenario that a series win=division clinched.

            • 27 this year

              however, if we sweep, we would even teh season series with Boston for the season, something that was thought improbable with the 0-8 beginning that feels like last year.

  • Dela G

    i am loving this royals beatdown of paul byrd

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Sup, everyone?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      NORM!!!

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I’m like Norm in this bitch.

        /Bob Kelso’d

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Who has two thumbs and roots for the best team in the AFC East?

          THIS GUY.

    • Tom Zig

      Paul Byrd’s ERA

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Haha, apparently. Good call, Zig.

  • Dela G

    another great thing? The Yankees get to avoid Zack Greinke next week

    woot!

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Here was another gem by Pearlman that Mo skewered

    http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=6743

    YOU SHOULD BE BORED! AND UNAMUSED!!

    BECAUSE I SAID SO!!

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      I’m beginning to wonder if Pearlman is an actual Baseball writer, or a stand-up comic.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Since everyone is piling on Pearlman for being a hack, lemme change the tempo and give him some props.

      Pearlman wrote a book about the Dallas Cowboys called “Boys Will Be Boys”. I didn’t read it, but that book spawned this, which is AWESOME.

      http://kissingsuzykolber.uprox.....rbate.html

      So, thank you, Jeff Pearlman.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      The Yankees are too good. They bore me.

      I’m going to root for the Orioles. Why? Because they’re underdogs. Forever.

  • cor shep

    Have any of you guys ordered jerseys from chinese seller sites (like an ebay)? If so could you give me some information on how it worked out? Thanks in advance

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Since we discussed worst pitcher ever, give me your worst YANKEE pitcher ever.

    This one’s easy for me. Felix Heredia, or Felix Horrendous as I liked to call him. I’ve never seen anything so craptasticly fabulous in all my life. When it was late in a game and you needed two walks and a hit batsman, he was your man. It went beyond mere bad pitching, into something more bizarre and flat-out funny by his 2nd year with the team. I miss him.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Since we discussed worst pitcher ever, give me your worst YANKEE pitcher ever.

      David Cone. He didn’t have a dance.

      • Dela G

        that bathroom scene at the end still makes me crack up

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          That Avis commercial where the guy from Boston walks in and says “You guys ready tah rent some Cahrs?” gets me every single time. Just the looks on everyone’s faces kills me.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I’m wicked psyched to be heah.

      • Salty Buggah

        Hahaha

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      There was a girl in one of the summer school classes I taught whose last name was “Heredia.” I felt bad for her just because of that.

      • Pasqua

        An aside: I’ve noticed you mention teaching before…are you an English teacher, by chance?

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Nope, not yet. I just graduated with a BA in English and I’m an aspiring teacher. Right now, I work at a Huntington Learning Center doing reading/writing tutoring.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Right now, I work at a Huntington Learning Center doing reading/writing tutoring.

            Can I personally pay you a Sub-Huntington rate to tutor my 15-year old nephew? He needs help, but he can’t afford your company’s cost.

          • Pasqua

            Excellent. I teach HS English. Good luck with it.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Carl “strained buttocks” Pavano.

    • Accent Shallow

      You mean The Run Fairy?

  • Dela G

    Greinke is mowin em down

    5Ks

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      And he once quit baseball entirely and was thiiiiiiiiiiiiisclose to never coming back.

      Crazy.

      • Dela G

        agreed

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    VOTE IN THE POLL: WHO SHOULD BE THE NO. 4 STARTER IN THE POSTSEASON?

    * Alfredo Aceves
    593-20% of all votes
    * Joba Chamberlain
    603-20% of all votes
    * Chad Gaudin
    1028-34% of all votes
    * Ian Kennedy
    194-6% of all votes
    * Sergio Mitre
    68-2% of all votes
    * Nick Swisher
    495-16% of all votes
    * Josh Towers
    20-1% of all votes

    Total Votes: 3001 Started: September 21, 2009

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/

    LoHud readers pick Chad Gaudin, to the surprise of no one familiar with LoHud’s game threads.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      What’s wrong with the pick of Chad Gaudin?

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        I know he’s pitched well, but he’s been here 5 minutes. Talk about a SSS. Joba’s upside blows away Gaudin’s. I know he’s been bad, but I would still say start Joba, and keep him on a short leash with Gaudin ready.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Disagree. Start Gaudin, he’s beeen better this year both in general and as a Yankee.

          Joba’s career upside is fantastic, but playoff upside? I think Gaudin has better odds of stringing together good starts than Jobber.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      All 495 of Nick Swisher’s votes are from smart Yankee fans.

      All the votes for everyone else are from Nick Swisher. He wants to make his teammates feel better.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        This.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        and he has a LOT of computers in his house.

      • Dela G

        i actually voted 3 times for swisher earlier today

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Nick saw this and redirected your votes to Sergio Mitre.

          • Dela G

            damn it, i knew it!

            *kicks kitten in disgust*

  • Tom Zig

    how in the world do you walk varitek?

  • Charlie

    if greinke’s ERA ends up under two, and he doesn’t win the Cy young, i am going to shit myself

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Where’s your address? I’ll FedEx you a box of Oops, I Crapped My Pants.

      Never underestimate the BBWAA. They’re capable of ANYTHING.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Wow, that’s a blast from the SNL past. Good call.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      How about if he just doesn’t win it period you’re going to shit yourself?

  • Reggie C.

    With Angel Villalona possibly heading to the slammer, does Cash now have the necessary leverage to pry Matt Cain from the Giants?? It’ll cost Jesus Montero , who could be seeing ML action before the end of 2010 as a 1B. The Giants have no impact hitting coming up, but they do have Madison Bumgarner to team with Lincecum.

    What do you guys think… Jesus Montero’s trade value has never been higher.

    • Ivan

      I wouldn’t do that trade.

      • Reggie C.

        Can i bother you for an expansion on that statement?

      • Accent Shallow

        Yeah. I’m moving Montero for Lincecum/Hernandez/maybe Greinke.

        (And since none of those trades are happening, I’ll hang on to Montero, if you please.)

        Feel free to mock this comment in 2016 if Montero busts.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      No. Cain is amazing, but with CC/AJ/Joba/Hughes + an aging Posada, I’d rather have the elite young bat at catcher just on the cusp of his breakout season than another starter, no matter how good he is. We can get by with Andy as the 5th starter for a year, and then buy Halladay, Lee, Webb, or something next year (or wait for Felix after that).

      His trade value will never be higher, but his value to the Yankee team may well be higher in the future.

      Keep him, don’t move him just to move him.

  • Dela G

    i hope they do not take out greinke…. i do not trust the royals bullpen

  • http://martelli.mlblogs.com/melky%20c.jpg Drew

    I know you guys like to actually have the number in the pic but we all know his number..

    Can’t go wrong with this:
    http://silentarchimedes.files......-small.jpg