When Halladay is on…

Trenton's playoff hopes fading
Question about Joba

Not much to say about last night’s game, so let’s cover it bullet-point style.

  • Joba made some good pitches, but he made a lot more poor pitches. The Pena error in the first hurt, but it’s not like Joba was cruising to that point. Aaron Hill’s double, just out of Eric Hinske’s reach, was well hit, and Adam Lind doubled on a very hittable fastball. There’s no way to sugar coat the six hits he allowed and two he walked. It’s massively disappointing.
  • I think PeteAbe says it well: “The idea was to see improvement and it wasn’t there. Don’t focus on the runs or the misplays in the field, focus on the quality of Toronto’s swings and that Joba had only four pitches that produced a swinging strike. Two were by past-his-prime Kevin Millar.”
  • I wonder if the offense was at all affected by the grueling first inning. Yes, Roy Halladay is excellent, but this is a team that had scored 57 runs over its past seven games. Perhaps, the saying goes, it was a market correction. Halladay did have an uncharacteristically poor August.
  • Nice piece of hitting by Ramiro Pena on a misplaced Roy Halladay curveball in the sixth. Figures that it was the Yanks only hit of the night.
  • I bolted after the fourth inning and went to see Extract. Funny flick, definitely up to Mike Judge’s standard. I’d say I enjoyed Ben Affleck’s character, but then it would be memorialized for all eternity on the Internets.
  • Anyway, came back and fired up the game archive. Jumped to the sixth to see Ramiro’s double, and then went to the bottom of the seventh to watch Mike Dunn’s debut. I wish I hadn’t. All I could think of was Harry Doyle. “Low, and he walks the bases loaded on 12 straight pitches. How can these guys lay off pitches that close?”
  • Not only can we look forward to having Derek Jeter and Nick Swisher in the lineup today, but there’s a pitcher who might go more than four innings. Andy Pettitte against Brett Cecil tomorrow at one. I do like day games after tough losses.
  • Oh, and of course, magic number is down to good old O’Neill. Paul Byrd got hammered. Nice.
Trenton's playoff hopes fading
Question about Joba
  • Kiersten

    Oh well, win streak couldn’t last forever. Sox lost too, can’t complain about a 7.5 game lead.
    We’ll get ’em tomorrow.

    • Jeffrey

      They did more than lose, the White Sox bombed em 12-2. Looks like Byrd and Tazawa aren’t very good options as starting pitchers. It will be interesting to see if Beckett, Lester, and Buchholtz can carry them through the post season.

  • Jeffrey

    Of all the people on the team to break up the no-hitter it was Ramiro Pena? Its really ironic that the least experienced player on the team got the only hit of the night.

    Halladay always throws strikes so why couldn’t the Yankees hit him?

    • Salty Buggah

      Well, his pitches have a lot of movement so you will either swing and miss or put it weakly into play. Also, he keeps the batter off balance because of his wide repertoire of pitches that he throw for strikes anytime in any count so he “freezes” a lot of hitters by throwing a breaking ball in a fastball count and vice verse. Additionally, since he was around the plate so often, he got some generous calls at times. Since his pitches have so much movement and he has great command, some pitches start out looking like balls and end up being strikes like the cutter to strikeout A-rod, which looked like it was going to be inside but ended up moving towards the plate and painting the black. Not even the Pujols of the world can hit him when he’s on.

      • Jeffrey

        Well if he pitches like this the rest of the year he could challenge Greinke for the CY Young.

        • Al from BX

          Dont forget CC.

          • Whitey14

            Wins aside, you really think CC over Greinke?

          • Joe R

            CC not even close with King Felix and Grienke out there.

          • Jeffrey

            CC is great, we all love him, and would like him to win the CY Young, but he hasn’t earned it. I don’t think he is in the caliber of Greinke, Hernandez, and Halladay this year. CC is still one of the top 10 starters in the league and I’m happy with that.

  • Tom Zig

    It is always frustrating to see us lose, but we ran into Halladay who happened to be one his game today, not much you can do there.

    The Hinske play in the first should have been an error. However it wouldn’t have mattered much anyways.

  • Nels

    I decided to skip this game and go to a party instead. I made the right choice.

  • Drew

    Not much to say about this one. It’s Roy Halladay.

    Also, to call that ball out of Hinske’s reach isn’t exactly accurate. It was within his reach but he had a moment…

    Jetes and Swish got the day off along with the Pen.

    Mel’s fast ball was nasty, hopefully his control improves.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      He reached up, it hit off the top of his glove. It was out of his reach. It could have been within his reach, had he not had that moment. But the way he played it, it was out of his reach.

      • Tom Zig

        I still think it should have been an error.

        • Drew

          Yeah, they might go back and change it. Usually if it hits your glove they call it an error.

      • Drew

        True, I haven’t seen a replay of it since it happened. I thought he closed his glove a bit early after taking the misstep. I could be mistaken.

    • Tony

      He Hinske’d it. His comical defensive play is cool right now, but he better never make an appearance out there in October.

  • Kiersten

    Oh, and I LOVE the image below the magic number counter. So much win.

    • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

      Yeah but didn’t you guys promise to give us LaTroy Hawkins?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        I’m pretty sure we’d get ripped apart for doing that.

    • http://kikojones5.blogspot.com Kiko Jones

      Like it as well. Will it be Posada or Bucky Dent next? Aaron Boone afterwards?

  • Tom Zig

    Is Joba experiencing like a dead arm/fatigue issue?

    • Jeffrey

      Its more like incorrect usage. How is he supposed to put together a solid start and get in a rhythm if he’s only allowed to pitch 3 or 4 innings. Anyway what happened to him pitching 4 innings like YES reported on the pre-game? Did he only go 3 due to the pitch count? Hopefully he can stretch out to 4 or 5 innings next time and put together a decent start.

      • EvoLuTioN

        yeah he only went 3 because of the pitch count, he only threw 35 pitches last time out and he was already at 60 after 3 here so they didn’t want to push him too much. those 60 pitches were of the high stress variety as well

  • EvoLuTioN

    is no one else alarmed by the huge dip in joba’s velocity this season? From what i remember from most of his starts, he sits at 90-92. that is not even close to the Joba we remember. Now i know he isnt going to be his bullpen self, but hitting 90mph is pretty weak. I know a few starts where hes look dominant throwing 95+ but i just cant understand what is with the huge variations. I can’t see him being successful unless he finds that extra 5mph.

    • EvoLuTioN

      to be honest its not even exciting watching him pitch anymore. He used to bring the energy, and having no fear against hitters. Now when i look at him i see a guy whos afraid to pound the strike zone, he nibbles around the corners and usually has no control to even do that. I don’t need him to post his post all-star little dominance, but it would sure as hell be nice to see him have some consistency.

    • Drew

      Tonight he sat around 93. Yes’s gun isn’t accurate.

      • EvoLuTioN

        it may not be accurate but i know i’ve seen YES’s gun showing him hitting 95+ in some starts while usually hes only hitting 90+ on the YES gun.

        • http://twitter.com/JamalG Jamal G.

          Either I’m still groggy, or you have a typo somewhere. Anyway, go here for all your accurate radar-gun readings (except the week leading up to the trading deadline for all pitchers pitching at Fenway – bastards actually juiced the gun like nobody would notice): http://brooksbaseball.net/

  • Salty Buggah

    It was nice to see Dunn’s debut. Even though it wasn’t that good, I just liked seeing him pitch. I think nervousness coupled with his control issues did him in. I would be in shock too if I made my MLB debut, especially with a star-studded team like the Yankees (I mean being on the same field as the stars Posada, A-rod, Tex, and Johnny Damon would be too much to handle for a MLB debut and Jeter wasn’t even there today). Hopefully, next time, he pitches better.

    • ShuutoHeat

      I would’ve made chocolate soft serve in my pants if I debuted on the mound for Yankees, so yeah Dunn’s nervousness wasn’t that bad.

    • http://kikojones5.blogspot.com Kiko Jones

      Absolutely. It was cool to see Joe G. and his teammates have the rookie’s back in his debut. He’ll do better.

      • LiveFromNewYork

        Nice to make your MLB debut on the team with the best record in baseball in enemy territory, get nervous and still be only one of the one who sucked bigtime.

  • Nickel

    It is definitely killing me to see Joba pitch so poorly lately. I understand the lack of consistent work and the innings limit (which I’m 1000% for) are a factor, but at some point, he’s just gotta go out there and pitch. Over the past several weeks, he’s done nothing to make me think he’s going to magically turn it on come October when he’ll be allowed to be used like a normal starter again. It’s going to kill me to say this, but if the season ended today, I’d feel more comfortable with Sergio Mitre starting a Game 4 playoff game than Joba.

    That being said, looking at the big picture stats-wise, he’s done pretty well in his first year as a starter in the Majors. Between after the All-Star break up until the innings limit started to kick in, he was pitching as well as one could hope. It seems like a lifetime ago now, but it really wasn’t that long ago.

  • Doug

    from peteabe:
    “Joba resorted to a bunch of cliches when we talked to him, talking about his teammates and executing pitches and how good the guys on the other team are.”

    how about some accountability…one time would be nice

    • miketotheg


      accountability. now there’s a word of the day.

    • Riddering

      Did you bother to read past that sentence?

      Joba resorted to a bunch of cliches when we talked to him, talking about his teammates and executing pitches and how good the guys on the other team are. I spoke to him alone briefly and asked him whether he could get sharp again come October.

      “There’s time,” he said. “I’ll go four innings the next game and we’ll go from there. I know I have things to work on.”

      Joba is holding himself accountable.

      • The Three Amigos

        In all seriousness, Joba didnt come into camp in shape this year and thought he had the league solved. He had a rude awakening and struggled sometimes, pitched great others. Beasted out of the gate post all star break and now with all the limitations and the fact that he has never pitched these innings before in his life could be fatigue.

        Im sure he will learn from his mistakes, have a better offseason this year with no DWI stuff, and come into camp better prepared next season, which is all you can ask for.

        This was his first full season as a starter– ever in pro ball. Let’s all just relax. Yes, better results are wanted– especially in the playoffs, but he will be fine in the end and so will the Yankees.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          “In all seriousness, Joba didnt come into camp in shape this year and thought he had the league solved.”

          I want a link from a credible source backing up the out of shape claim.

          • Zack

            There is none. Just look back at the RAB archives and everyone posted how Joba looks thinner and in better shape. But he’s bad right now so we’re just going to pull things out to bash Joba. 23 year old struggling? damn he must have a big ego and thinks hes better than everyone. So the same must be true for Felix in ’06; Jimenez and Lincecum in ’07; Kershaw, Hughes and Buchholz in ’08.

            • The Three Amigos

              A source… when the media was still in love with him.. come on. How bout the numerous times Girardi and Posada called him out. Am I just making this stuff up… of course not.

  • GG

    Ive been for the protection of the Yanks asset all along, but this is not working well at all

  • OldYanksFan

    While Joba has been disappointing, lets remember a few things.
    1, he has just 200 IP as a starter, so he basically has only a year of starting under his belt.
    2, as a Starter, his career ERA+ is still quite a bit better then average.
    3, Between 3 seasons, the BP and the innings limits, he has had a eractic routine.
    4, He plays in NY and a team that HAS to Win. I’ll guess playing on the Twins or the Royals is an easier way to break in.

    So yeah, I was hoping he would be better and this point, but plenty of young studs have taken 2,3 or 4 years to hit their groove.

    The kid is 23, so I will cut him some slack.

  • Accent Shallow

    I heard Mike Dunn’s MLB debut courtesy of John and Suzyn. All I could think was “This guy will fit in well with the rest of the pen.”

  • John

    I want Halladay on our team for next year even if it cost us Joba. This guy may have not been awesome in every start but I think he wanted to be traded and I am hoping he does not end up in boston, that would suck. On Joba, inconsistency is the problem, hope if AJ needs a break he tells Joe so he will be fine for the playoffs. Keep your fingers crossed for mitre today. I do wish we would have gotten someone else like harang even though he got hurt but arroyo would have been nice as well.