Oct
02

Game 160: This could have been a meaningful series

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It was supposed to have been a three-horse race. The Yankees, Rays, and Red Sox were supposed to battle for the top two spots in the AL East, which was assumed to house the AL East champion and the AL Wild Card. The three teams battled through the first half, but the second half has been all Yankees, and has been all against the Rays.

A team that won 97 games last season is stuck at 82 with three games left. While they were once greatly underperforming their run differential, even that has come back down to earth. As it stands, they’re just two games behind pace. The Yankees, for what it’s worth, are outperforming their run differential by eight games, though they do have the best mark in the AL by three games.

Rookie David Price takes the mound against the Yankees for the third time this season. They worked his pitch count the first time, forcing him to toss 106 through 5.2 innings, while they scored three runs. Price’s five walks didn’t help matters. He was better the second time, allowing two runs on three hits and two walks in six innings. In his last appearance, he gave up five runs in five innings to the Rangers.

While the game is meaningless for the Yankees as a team, it does mean something for CC Sabathia, who can notch his 20th win tonight. He downplays it, saying that it would be nice but not necessary. After year after year of busted free agent pitching, I think most of us want to see him get it. Not that it makes a difference in CC’s season — he was a great pickup who was worth every penny — but it’s always nice to see a pitcher hit 20 wins these days.

For some reason, Jose Molina is DHing tonight. The early lineup had him as catcher and Jorge as DH, but then they flopped. Why not just DH Hinske if you’re not going to DH Matsui? I don’t get it. I’m glad Posada is catching CC, because that’s the way it will line up in the playoffs. Molina should catch tomorrow, and Posada should catch A.J. on Sunday.

Lineup:

1. Derek Jeter, SS
2. Jerry Hairston, LF
3. Mark Teixeira, 1B
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Nick Swisher, RF
6. Jorge Posada, C
7. Robinson Cano, 2B
8. Melky Cabrera, CF
9. Jose Molina, C

And on the mound, number fifty-two, Carsten Charles Sabathia.

Categories : Game Threads
  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    I have constantly defended Girardi, but if Molina gets a postseason start, I’ll be one pissed off optimist.

    • RichYF

      I think if Molina starts and the Yanks win, all will be forgiven. If he starts and AJ pitches awful anyway, well then let’s just hope the Yanks get another shot at doing it the right way.

      It’s a gutsy move by Girardi, and I would not be upset with Molina catching if AJ spins a gem. Whether or not Molina is the “x-factor” is irrelevant to me. It’s all about results.

      • Accent Shallow

        I dunno about “gutsy”. AJ had that row of dominant starts this summer, and Posada caught a large percentage of them.

        If it’s what it takes for Burnett to pitch well, I’ll accept it, but I remain skeptical.

        • RichYF

          Well, “gutsy” in the sense that people will question the move and he will be open to a lot of criticism if the Yanks lose 2-1 or something like that.

          “AJ is pitching well of late, do you really think Molina has something to do with it?”
          “Posada has caught X, Y, and Z pitchers in A, B and C seasons that were all successful. You’re telling me he can’t handle AJ Burnett?”

          Or they can do what you did and (correctly) quote the run of games in which AJ pitched very well. I will also add that in every post-game interview AJ credited Jorge 100%. So that counts for something, right?

          Like I said, I’m indifferent. Jorge’s bat is really hard to replace, but if AJ stinks it’s going to be a long game either way. It’s all about what AJ believes regardless of how silly it is.

    • Accent Shallow

      I will amend this to say “in the ALDS, if Posada does not get banged up in the previous game.”

    • Frankie

      Jesus, CC looks like Wang out there.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    I’ve got a fever, and the only prescription is less cowbell.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Over/under on the number of people at the game tonight is set at 20,000.

    • Jose

      I’ll take the under on that.

  • cr1

    Having Molina DH should make clear to CC and to us just how important getting that 20th game for him is to Girardi.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Maybe Molina is the anti-Giambi: he’s an amazing hitter but only when he plays DH. His bat is coming alive tonight, I can feel it in the air.

  • Dela G

    molina and jorge are both catching?

    wow that’s a first

    ;)

  • Don

    I too am a big Girardi supporter, but I cannot understand the thought process behind a man with 50 OPS+ in his last 400 abs getting any type of postseason play.

    Molina shouldve been DFAd earlier this summer.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Molina shouldve been DFAd earlier this summer.

      No he shouldn’t have.

    • Rich

      Wow. You don’t DFA one of the best defensive catchers in the league.

      • Mike bk

        agreed, but this is probably his last month with the club as frankie has shown he can do enough to hold down the backup job next year.

        • Don

          This isnt the time of year to throw bones to departing players.

          I know Molina is a good dude, but he has too many holes in his game to belong on a postseason roster.

      • Don

        Yes he shouldve been. Cervelli is clearly the better player at this point. Even Posada has a better CS% than Molina.

        I know his CERA is very good, but the man is a walking rally killer, and I dont mean walking literally.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Big picture. The difference between Molina and Cerveli is slim. DFAing Molina for that marginal upgrade would hurt depth needlessly.

        • Rich

          No, you don’t DFA a guy like him – maybe you trade him, but you don’t DFA. I like Cervelli too, but I understand why the Yankees have held on to Molina.

          • Don

            Its October now, we learned depth at Catcher wasnt an issue since Chris Stewart had a decent year at AAA and couldve easily been the emergency catcher.

            The difference between he and Cervelli is no longer slim. Cervelli is a better hitter, better thrower, better framer, and better runner. He can do things that win games in the postseason.

            Molina no longer possesses that skill.

            • Rich

              Well, we’ll agree to disagree on this one. It would seem the Yankees didn’t want to have to rely on Stewart. I’m sure they could have had a deal for a useful player if they had any interest in trading Molina.

              • Renny Baseball

                One thing no one will argue: Posada is the weakest by far defensively of the 3 catchers on the team. Every bit as important as defense is calling a game. None of this would even be a subject of discussion if Posada at least could hold his own and do a competent job of calling a game, managing pitchers etc. He should be splitting DH time or on very limited catching duty — for pitchers like Petite that he has a comfort level with — next year.

  • Mike bk

    why is hairston playing left field if we need him to get more infield work so he can get qualified to get a pick for him?

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime
    • Jose

      That is funny, but in all seriousness, South America has never hosted the Olympics. On the Olympic flag the rings represent the 5 inhabited continents. Why not 6? It counts South America as part of North America.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      It would have been nice to have the Games stateside, but it’s important historically/symbolically to have the first South American Olympics.

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        Oh, I agree

        • Renny Baseball

          Also, has anyone ever BEEN to Rio? I can’t imagine anyone choosing Chicago or Madrid for that matter over Rio.

  • Dela G

    cmon white sox!

    1-0 sox

  • acb

    lol michael kay is wearing a bright purple shirt.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Swish has killed it in The Trop this year.

    • Jose

      He has been even better in his career at Camden Yards. He has 13 HR in 107 PA.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Wait a second, David Price’s ERA is pretty close to Joba’s. How can that be?

    • JSquared

      Price is Teh Uber prospect.

      • Lanny

        They both go a solid 4 innings a start.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      To dah bullpen!

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Bossman Jr. is unimpressed by Jerry Jr.

  • JSquared

    Pussy David Price.

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    Anyone think that HBP on Tex has something to do with Pena?

    • Zack

      Pena swung at the pitch from CC. So it shoudlnt.

      • JMK aka The Overshare

        It shouldn’t, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t. Your thoughts, Zack?

        • Zack

          Just a HBP in my book. Although Price has had a better BB/9 lately, he’s struggled with control this year. (Young SP struggling with control? I’ve seen that somewhere before)

          • JMK aka The Overshare

            Agreed.

      • Mikey

        but tampa is a bunch of loser babies, so it does

        • ShuutoHeat

          Honestly, Pena swung at it. It’s not like we pinned Pena down and took a hammer, then one by one smashed his fingers.

          They’re still crying over this.

  • Andy in Sunny Daytona

    Dioner Navarro & Tim Beckham or Buster Posey?

    • JSquared

      Beckham, caught stealing a lot, not a lot of power, Posey.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Posey. Easy.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        So would you say they chose the wrong chalise, and chose, Unwisely?

        • JSquared

          Beckham’s only 19, Posey is 22, Don;t count Beckham out yet.

  • Mikey

    time for tex hit #40– thats yankee retaliation, not tampa punks

  • Andy in Sunny Daytona

    CC: “I can’t beat him over there!”

  • slappy white

    being forced to watch Rays network in NC and im about to drive to tampa and strangle the assclown announcer

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      Which one? Dwayne Stats or Kevin Kennedy? They both SUCK.

      • slappy white

        stats going on and on about last season, yankee payroll, and how price hitting tex was a sign of his maturity……maturity? really ?

        • Andy in Sunny Daytona

          They definitely have a slight bias.

    • thurdonpaul

      slappy, its ok, the real games dont start till next week, it will be ok :)

  • JSquared

    Teixeira > Tampa Bay.

    • ShuutoHeat

      One armed Teixeira > Tampa Bay

  • Jose

    Ben Zobrist has an 8.2 WAR this year. Joe Mauer has an 8.0 WAR. That is only because Mauer being a catcher doesn’t have any type of fielding score factored into his WAR. Does anyone know of any difference metric for catchers that is indicative of runs saved due to defense?

    • Jose

      difference = defensive

  • huuz

    does CC’s speed on his FB seem low?

    • Jersey

      Maybe a tick or two

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      PitchFX has him at 92-94.

  • Jersey

    Well, better this now than next week.

  • BigBlueAL

    As to the whole Molina starting a playoff game, if Im Brian Cashman I order Girardi not to even contemplate starting Molina in the playoffs. Seriously.

    Plus the fact that Girardi is even contemplating it is absurd. I already feared that we might be seeing Ron Gardenhire amount of bunts per game from Girardi come playoff time but having to watch Molina start a game would really drive me crazy.

    • Lanny

      Just what you need. The GM ordering his manager to fill out his lineup like he wants. Nah thats real good.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Have you ever considered that the problems between AJ and Posada weren’t just some media creation, but actually had some merit?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Oh Swish.

  • JSquared

    What’s Upton batting… .030… and he gets a bases clearing triple, nice. TEH LUCK!! TEH LUCK!!

  • Tom Zig

    Ouch

  • http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/riddering/Baseball/reachforthestaaaaars.jpg Riddering

    It’s okay.

    Our DH is going to have a BIG night. Lots of RBIs.

  • slappy white

    oh well no 20 wins for CC….get this out of his system and dominate in the playoffs

    • Tom Zig

      It’s still the first inning.

      • slappy white

        i just dont think theyll leave him in long enough for the comeback….game means nothing to us

    • Jose

      Fact: No team has ever come back down 4 runs with 8 innings to go.

      • Brazilian Yankee

        Our DH is Jose Molina. It’s not impossible, but it’ll be hard to win this one.

    • Nick

      how about get this out of your system now in the first inning settle down, shut down the rays, let the yankee bats do their work and get your 20th win

      • Lanny

        Unless he has some quick innings here there is no chance he pitches 5 innings.

  • Ivan

    Just get out of ya system CC, just get it out of your system.

  • Brazilian Yankee

    Maybe next year CC will get to 20 wins. It’s no big deal.

  • ShuutoHeat

    I seriously wish they due away with all the artificial turfs, I hate them.

  • Zack

    Who’s ready for a week of CC is not a #1 and CC cant handle pressure?

  • Jersey

    And all those runs are unearned.

  • Lanny

    Swisher is one terrible defensive right fielder. Anyone that throws UZR out that hes good doesnt watch him everyday.

  • Joba Rules

    Yankees are fucked.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      They see me trollin’, they hatin’…

  • slappy white

    WTFs up with this price? screaming after a strikeout……YOURE 20 games out asshole

  • http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/riddering/Baseball/reachforthestaaaaars.jpg Riddering

    Melky is a daily RAB reader.

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    Jose Molina’s batting=dividing by zero.

  • http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/riddering/Baseball/reachforthestaaaaars.jpg Riddering

    Hearing talk of Molina starting playoff games makes my ears bleed.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    I can not believe they are seriously considering letting Jose Molina catch in the playoffs. That’s such an awful decision, it’s not even fucking funny.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Not even a little funny?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        No.

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          In your honest opinion, do you really think they’ll start Molina? Seriously.

    • BigBlueAL

      You fucking tell them!!!!

    • Nels

      Joba moving back to the pen seems like a really bad decision to me too.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      No, it’s not.

      • Nels

        When would you want him to pitch?

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          I responded to Mike. Maybe you’re new here and not familiar with the ‘nesting’ thing, but if you look again you’ll see my post connects to his.

          • Nels

            Sorry, I don’t know how I missed that.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Molina’s not a pitcher.

    • Don

      Thanks for validating Mike, I made this argument around 630 today.

  • BigBlueAL

    Forget just when AJ pitches, start Molina at C every game.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Only if he’s on a shit ton of steroids, discovers how to hit and occasionally decides to run to first when he makes contact with the ball. Your prophecy, I like it.

  • Lanny

    So how long before Melancon comes in to plunk Longoria or Crawford?

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Melancon is so wild, it’s not inconceivable that he somehow manages to hit Maddon and breaks his glasses.

  • Mikey

    jeter walks, hairston grounds out softly

  • ShuutoHeat

    YARGH!!! STRIKE OUT ON MOLINA! WE SO UBER!!! WE THE BEST!!!

    …god you guys struck out Molina for Mo’s sake… what is there to be so worked up about? It’s like howling over the fact that you pummeled a 5 yr old kid.

    • slappy white

      PRICE IS AN ASS

  • BigBlueAL

    Shit, I get a 3 week free preview of the NHL package. For baseball and the NBA it only for a week (I always buy both regardless anyway) but 3 weeks for the NHL, they must really be desperate to get people to buy the package.

    Dunno if showing more games for free is actually the answer though….

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      I’ve tried to enjoy hockey, but find it really difficult unless I’m at the game. As far as the NBA, it’s like watching a glorified streetball game half the time.

      • Zack

        Just wait til you get the replacement refs

        • Ivan

          Hey those refs can do any worse than the officials now.

          • Zack

            What about the 2 refs who were previously FIRED by the NBA?

      • Ivan

        The NBA ALOT better over the years trust me.

      • BigBlueAL

        Sorry, I LOVE the NBA. I think the NBA now is at its best since Jordan retired the 2nd time in 1998.

        As much as I loved watching the Knicks of the 90′s because of how good they were and the dramatic/intense playoff games they played the NBA really got ugly in the late 90′s thru the early 2000′s. But now with them taking away all the contact on the perimeter and off the ball it is a much more flowing game and there are some really great players and really good teams in the NBA right now.

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          No need to apologize. I see a few games and it looks like a lot of Isolation plays at the top of the key and take your man one-on-one. I haven’t seen much, so I’m not saying that’s the only trend, just what I’ve seen. I also really dislike the playoff format. Half the teams in the NBA make the playoffs? That’s ridiculous.

          • BigBlueAL

            Its been the same format since 1985. There is ALOT less isolation now because teams are allowed to play Zone now, the only difference is they cant have a defender just standing in the paint blocking shots since there is a defensive 3 second violation just like on the offensive end.

            The Knicks suck right now but if you want to watch a team that doesnt do many isolations and have a fun offense to watch watch the Knicks since Mike D’Antoni is their coach now. At least now they may still suck but are alot more fun to watch and hopefully come next season with the cap room they will have next off-season they will be fun to watch and successful at the same time.

            • JMK aka The Overshare

              Gotcha. I’ve never supported the playoff format. I can’t think of any reason half the teams in a league should make the postseason. I might check out a Knicks game next year, provided the tickets aren’t too expensive.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Wow. I was not expecting this score.

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    CC’s command hasn’t been all that good this game. That said, I wouldn’t expect this to continue into the playoffs.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Girardi out to the mound to hand deliver the IBB call.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Tigers losing 3-0, Twins up 5-0…

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Interesting, things are becoming.

      • BigBlueAL

        Only thing that sucks is the Twins face Greinke tomorrow.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Deflated, I am.

          • JMK aka The Overshare

            Watching a lot of Star Wars lately, you are?

            • BigBlueAL

              The force is strong with this one.

  • BigBlueAL

    Its no surprise CC is pitching like shit tonight, Posada is catching.

  • Tom Zig

    CC just wants to get the clunker out of his system

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Wouldn’t be opposed to lifting CC after this inning.

    • Tom Zig

      might as well. don’t want the big guy to hurt himself

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      This.

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    You can’t be serious. He’s out.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Yep. Thank Mo.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    He swung, he’s out. Nice try, Tampa.

  • Toki

    I see CC is in October form ;)

  • Tom Zig

    im following along on gameday, how did they score on a swinging strike 3?

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      K. Runs don’t score.

    • Tom Zig

      oh nevermind, they just decided to update the score at the wrong moment, making it seem like they scored

  • bonestock94

    I’d like to see them comeback from this, not even for CC’s win I just really hate price.

    • bonestock94

      Sick on a friday night, I was really counting on watching a good game. Oh well.

  • Pasqua

    CC’s performance should provide great fodder for the NY media, ESPN, et al. How many “Should the Yankees be worried?” editorials will come out of this one?

    • Tom Zig

      Front and back pages of both the post and daily news

      Top headline on sportscenter and espn.com along with a picture

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Tons. Let ‘em chatter, there’s nothing to worry about.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        +1

    • Nels

      Living in New England, I hear talk show hosts on a couple local stations read Sabathia’s postseason numbers a couple times a day, then compare them to Beckett’s postseason numbers, and then explain how the Sox are way more prepared for the postseason than the Yanks. They will feed on tonight’s start like you wouldn’t imagine. I really hope Sabathia will prove them wrong soon.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    David Cone: intelligent.

  • slappy white

    John Sterlings explaination of that strikeout to end tampas inning was priceless

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Punny.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Why would the Rays, a smart organization, trade B.J. Upton at his lowest point? That just doesn’t make sense.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Well, they obviously gave up on the season when they traded Kazmir.

      • Lanny

        Well whats their record since the Kazmir trade? The trade may be good from an organization stand point. The prospects may be huge. Who knows. But to the team itself and to the fans it was waving the white flag.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Because he’s non-Domincan and lazy. Who would want that combination? Maybe they can get a Igawa-type arm in return.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    I wonder if the people in Detroit are freaking out about how Edwin Jackson has finished the season.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      He might have hit the wall. He hasn’t been good since what, the All-Star break? Either he’s tired, injured or his mechanics aren’t right. It doesn’t bode well for the Tigers, whatever it is.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Or maybe the first half was just a fluke.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          There’s basically three months of his career that look nothing like the other four years.

          • JMK aka The Overshare

            Good point. His stuff has always been good. The prevailing theory was he finally put it all together. It seems that might not be true.

          • Lanny

            Jackson in a pressure spot? In a Game 2 in Yankee Stadium? Ok.

            • Zack

              Wasnt tonight a pressure game? They’re not locked for the playoffs yet

          • Zack

            “2. Tigers acquire Edwin Jackson for Matt Joyce…. But this winter they actually determined that they had too many starters, taking offers on Jackson, Jason Hammel (who was traded to Colorado) and Jeff Niemann with the intention of trading two of them. Jackson, very good in Tampa last year, became even better with a move to Comerica Park. Tampa was at least wise to trade Hammel and keep Niemann.”

            http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ef=writers

            Apparently Heyman only looks at first half stats when deciding the best moves of the offseason

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          Bingo.

          Although he was once upon a time the #1 prospect in all of Baseball (weak class IIRC) so it was fair to think earlier in the year that maybe he was finally putting it all together. Change of scenery, the whole bit. But seeing him revert to his old self lately and I don’t think there’s any other conclusion to draw. Nothing’s changed.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Yes, Michael, it looks like he’s not trying but he is trying. He’s just good enough to make it look like he’s not trying.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    For everyone flipping out about Molina catching AJ, check out AJs splits by catcher

    http://www.baseball-reference......;t=p#catch

    Every number (R-H-BA-OBP-SLG SO/BB ratio) explodes with Jorge behind the plate. It’s the right move. Nobody affects a game more than the starting pitcher, and that’s not even debatable. A player can only affect his 5 or so ABs, a starting pitcher affects 30 or so ABs by the opposition.

    If you want to argue Posada vs Molina’s bat, be my guest. Posada sports a .894 OPS and Molina’s is .553 OPS. Huge right? Its 3.5 bases every 10 ABs, or 1.75 bases per game.

    AJ has allowed 58 Runs in the 16 games Posada has started, or 3.63 runs per game. With Molina behind the plate, he’s allowed 24 runs in the 10 games he’s started, or 2.4 runs per game. I’ll take a full run+ less over 1.75 bases generated every day of the week.

    Were not talking about a long season anymore, were talking about 1 game. That’s the difference.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Burnett is just as likely to throw a stinker to Molina as he is to Posada. Burnett and Jorge have had some incredible games together (see: June/July).

      Also, one game magnifies a weakness like an awful bat much more than a season does.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        No, he’s more likely to strike out more batters and give up less runs. Can I guarantee he’ll be good? Of course not, but a manager’s job is to put the odds in his favor. He has a better chance to pitch a good game with Molina.

        Plus, don’t forget that if it’s game 2, the Yanks are at home where the generally have no trouble scoring runs, and obviously get the last AB.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      May 27th – July 27th: 11 starts, 2.08 ERA, .623 OPS against

      Posada caught 8 of those starts, and was still on the DL during the first one. Cash caught one, Cervelli two.

      Three starts ago, Burnett gave up 6 runs in less than two innings to Baltimore with Molina catching, before settling down.

      Looking at ~90 IP with Posada vs ~60 IP with Molina does nothing for me.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        “Looking at ~90 IP with Posada vs ~60 IP with Molina does nothing for me.”

        But 8 starts from May thru July prove your point? Can’t have it both ways, Mike.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Based on the logic you’re using, yes.

          My reasoning for starting Posada is that he’s immeasurably better than Molina.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            No one’s disputing that Posada’s a better player, but if you think his impact is greater than the pitcher’s, or think the Burnett-Posada thing was just a media created narrative, then I don’t know what to tell you. Games are played by human beings, and they don’t all think the same or get along. The fact that Girardi is considering this tells me a lot, and he’s an ex-catcher.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          And, that also shows many, many things are possible in small sample sizes.

          • JMK aka The Overshare

            So much THIS. A small sample size also concludes that I’m a total ladies man, when only factoring in girls with a BMI above Pi. This doesn’t mean I’m actually a ladies man.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Posada’s had far more games with AJ, and the reason those numbers are inflated is largely because of three poor appearances. Boston earlier in the season (5 IP, 8 ER), Chicago (4.2, 7), and Boston again in August (5, 9). On the whole, he’s been pretty good. Molina hasn’t been invincible, either. Ultimately, it’s up to AJ to make the pitches. I’d rather take my chance on AJ pitching with Posada and emulating one of the 12 good starts, with Posada’s bat, than I would his good starts with Molina and a guaranteed 3-4 outs from the catcher.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        In response to your ‘few bad outings’ claim, I was going to post the outings that Molina was behind the plate where Burnett blew up, to show that a few outings inflated his numbers as well.

        But I ran into a problem. Almost every horrific outing AJ had this year had Posada behind the plate.

        4/25-5 IP 8R vs BOS
        6/9-2.2 IP 5 R vs BOS
        8/1-4.2 IP 7 R vs CHW
        8/22-5 IP 9 R vs BOS
        9/1-5.1 IP 6 R vs BAL

        http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2009

        There’s one 6 run outing on 9/9 with Molina, and even there AJ pitched into the 6th inning, so it wasn’t a disaster. So the downside with Posada appears to be much greater, and maybe that’s what Girardi is worried about.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    How many times this season has Kay mentioned that Navarro made the ASG last year?

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Jesus H. Montero, just take him out. Put Towers and Kennedy out there to give them some innings. There is no reason for Sabathia to continue in this game.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      I want Kennedy.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        +1

        That would be nice, plus we can listen to Sterling lose his shit again and have a few laughs.

  • dkidd

    i’d rather cc get his october clunker out of the way tonight

  • Lanny

    Why is he still in there? Get him out and let him forget it.

  • Brazilian Yankee

    Time to take CC out.

  • Tom Zig

    I guess just let him get to 100, and then no matter what the situation, just take him out.

  • Lanny

    Great way to tune it up, CC. Just the way to get ready for Game 1.

  • Frankie

    Its one thing to have a bad start, but damn, that was horrendous. Even Jobber looked better.

  • Charlie

    this is just one reason why i fuckin hate Girardi. Do you really have to frickin wait until he gives up 9 runs and throws 80 pitches in less than 3 innings to take him out?

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.baby-bombers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/melky-cabrera-317x400.jpg Drew

      +1.

      Dude’s a moron. Girardi has no friggin clue. Friggin hate the guy.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      He wanted CC to get his work in, he’s not going out of his way to win this completely meaningless game. He saaid on the pregame that he would go around 100 pitches. Considering how badly things went, 80 pitches was about right.

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    I haven’t seen Sabathia look this bad since…the first game of the season. And this is incalculably worse. I’m thinking (and hoping) it’s an outlier. He hadn’t given up 5 ERs since August 23rd. We can’t expect all pitchers to throw no-hitters every time out, but this was really unexpected. That said, I really think he’ll bounce back. We’ll need him to if we’re facing off with Verlander.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    CC chokes while going after win #20.

    He can’t pitch in big games. We’re doomed.

    • thurdonpaul

      send him to the pen

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Feed him to the LIONS!!

        And send ‘Friggen clueless’ Girardi with him!!

  • slappy white

    just when I let myself believe this was going to be easy now we get to worry about CC

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Worry? After one meaningless game?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Worry? About one start? If this happened a week ago, you wouldn’t think twice about it.

      Relax.

      • Zack

        Atleast he didnt have a cortison shot for his back spasms and had to skip his start, like some other guy who know

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    I would just like to say ‘Fuck Gallantry’

    ..and Chivas for that matter. I’m a Knob Creek guy, myself.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.baby-bombers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/melky-cabrera-317x400.jpg Drew

      I bet you are!

      • Scooter

        ietc

        I’m also a bourbon guy – and that’s a great choice for about the same price as Makers.

        Makers in a manhattan; Knob Creek on the rocks.
        Bakers or Bookers neat

        Work’s been hell – I guess I didn’t miss much.

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          Yeah Maker’s neat. I’m having one right now, in fact.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            I always knew I liked you for some reason. When you want a lil more flavor, Gentleman Jack is another good choice.

            • Scooter

              Any other manhattan fans here?

              The biggest thing is finding a place that actually uses bitters w/ the sweet vermouth

              Got a little petite syrah flowing.
              (If Andy got into wines after his career ends, he could sell Pettitte syrahs)

              • JMK aka The Overshare

                Ehh, vermouth is too abrasive for my tastes.

            • JMK aka The Overshare

              Another favorite of mine. It’s been a long week at work (half of my department was laid off, I’m fortunate because I work well and I’m not eating much payroll, but my responsibilities just tripled), so I may head out to the liquor store and grab some GJ.

              I had forgotten about that delicious, mellow flavor.

              • Scooter

                Been hearing bad news from Wall St friends about layoffs and closings – esp in structured finance. My condolences to any friends of yours who lost jobs this week

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  The Jobs Report today was a disaster. Economists had it at around 100K down, which is an improvement since it would mean losses are slowing.

                  Then it comes in around 275K down, almost TRIPLE Wall street expectations. Now all the economists are rethinking their growth expectations, and are even looking at a double dip recession. Which means things could bottom out once again, like they did last year.

                • JMK aka The Overshare

                  Yeah, I’m not in finance, but you’re right, it’s tough in that industry right now. A few friends of mine in finance were bragging about their bonuses, salaries, etc. earlier in the year. Now? Some of them are unemployed or barely hanging on, and one is crashing in my spare bedroom. I’ve got law school coming up in a few months (which is also no longer a guaranteed stable job), so I’m hoping that gives me some more marketability.

                  Thanks for your words, though.

                • Scooter

                  Artist – looks like Roubini (aka Dr Doom) might have been right – a recovery more like a W than a U

                  I keep fingers crossed that some magic happens and the Doha round advances – but I fear protectionism could raise its ugly head some more

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  Roubini’s been getting a lot of play lately, since he called the Real Estate bubble. His track record is one of constant negativity, so he was going to be right sooner or later. I still wouldn’t give him a nickel of my money to invest.

                  He’s no genius, just an economist and they all get more things wrong than they do right. They don’t call it ‘The Dismal Science’ for nothing.

    • Accent Shallow

      Currently drinking margaritas

      /less of a man for having mixed drinks

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        pffft . . . sissy boy.

        • Accent Shallow

          Whatever, I can’t drink 10% ABV beers every day.

          Well, I could.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Bossman’s going cycling tonight. Needs just a single.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.baby-bombers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/melky-cabrera-317x400.jpg Drew

      Yeah but he won’t get a cool ring to commemorate it.

  • Bob Stone

    The game is totally meaningless. I’m just disappointed for CC personally. He pitched well enough this season to have earned 20 wins.

    • Pasqua

      It’s a nice, round number that looks good on the stat sheet, but there is so much more to appreciate when it comes to pitching than the “Win.” A great year for CC, 19 or 20 wins.

  • NYQ

    I have only two questions: who are these people and what have they done with the Yankees?

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      You didn’t read today was an unscheduled off day?

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.baby-bombers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/melky-cabrera-317x400.jpg Drew

    WHy is Jorgie even still out there? I’d say it’s time to throw the H lineup in the game.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Agreed. Time for SWB Yankees.

    • ShuutoHeat

      Your choice, Tigers or Twins?

      • ShuutoHeat

        Whooops how did it end up here?

    • Renny Baseball

      “Dude’s a moron. Girardi has no friggin clue. Friggin hate the guy.”

      Agreed on Girardi. DHing Molina while entrusting CC’s 20th win bid to Posada?

      Incidentally, for all the criticism, Jobber has never pitched as badly as CC did tonight.

      I can go for Makers neat, splash of water, myself.

      PS Looks like Twins are alive for another day – ChiSox have just beaten Tigers and Twins are up big (8-0, 4th).

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.baby-bombers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/melky-cabrera-317x400.jpg Drew

        I’m a few saki bombs deep but I thought my sarcasm was apparent.

        I love Joe G, I was just expounding Charlie’s craziness when I said: “Dude’s a moron. Girardi has no friggin clue. Friggin hate the guy.”

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          Your sarcasm is apparent is one is a regular commenter or a lurker. Not so much if this is a LoHud refugee.

  • ShuutoHeat

    Funny thing is, the Rays are playing this game like their families’ lives are on the line.

    Wake me up when the post season arrives.

    • Pasqua

      Apparently they were told that their families’ lives are on the line. So…coincidence!

  • bonestock94

    Damn, I’m sick on a Friday night, just wanted to watch a decent game and lie down.

    • Bob Stone

      Watch the end of the White Sox / Tigers game on ESPN. At least that game is going the way we want.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Should be down to 1 game back with 2 to play.

    Anyone think the Twins can do it?

    • Bob Stone

      It’ll be tough since they face Greinke tomorrow.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I do. Pavano’s declared that he’s ready to go on short rest Sunday if needed.

      • bonestock94

        This is gonna be a hell of a battle for the Twins regardless of tonight. Greinke tomorrow and Verlander Sunday for the Tigers. Two shitty pitchers in the Sox/Tigers game tomorrow, so who knows how that will go.

      • Accent Shallow

        Words can’t express how much I hate that guy. He malingers for four years here and suddenly he’s a selfless horse?

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          Hahahahah!

          I’m sorry, that was just funny. And true.

    • ShuutoHeat

      Twins = the little train that could

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Wow, the Padres fired Towers. I’m shocked.

    He’ll find a job real quick, but wow.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Ownership on that team is a mess. Towers will be fine.

    • Bob Stone

      I’m not shocked. Rob Neyer wrote earlier today that it was possible. Moorad wants his own management team. Remember that Moorad competed against Towers for the job at the Diamondbacks a few years ago.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Damn, how long has he been there? Seems like forever.

  • Accent Shallow

    So I go out to dinner, and what the fuck?

    CC, you’re not helping me out by shitting the bed on your last start pre-ALDS.

    I realize this thread has to be empty (blowout on a Friday night), but what the hell? Guys?

    • bonestock94

      It’s the least important game he’s pitched for the Yankees, no biggie.

      • Accent Shallow

        Well, yeah, but you’d like at least a solid 5-6 stress free innings out of a tune-up start.

        Better a clunker now than next week, I suppose.

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          Better a clunker now than next week, I suppose.

          Exactly. Don’t worry too much. These things will happen. It’s a weird combination of CC being really off (which is very rare), and the Rays being very, very hot with the bat. You’re not likely to see this again this season.

  • Zack

    Did BBTN really just say Jason Kubel has been good against LHP this year when talking about the Twins ability to hit LHP and RHP?

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      It’s BBTN. If they told me Carl Everett is a religious prophet and a progressive thinker, I would not be surprised. The fact that some take BBTN’s blurbs as gospel is amazing.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Congrats to Bossman.

    • Bob Stone

      Good way to end a very poor season.

  • Accent Shallow

    I still don’t think David Price will have as good a career as Joba.

    (I’m going to look back on this statement and either feel prescient or dopey)

  • Bob Stone

    B. J. Upton’s cycle was 8th in MLB tieing a record set in 1933.

  • Bob Stone

    This place is dead tonight. Is anyone still here?

    • Tom Zig

      yup. Don’t really have much to add, just kinda observing

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      We’ve all moved onto bigger and better things. Like hockey opening night. Go Rangers.

      • Tom Zig

        or catching up on episodes of House

      • Accent Shallow

        What country are we in, again?

        Oh, America? Just checking.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          I’m sorry, I thought this was America!

          /Randy Marsh’d

  • Bob Stone

    BBTN had a funny exchange tonight:

    Showalter: Upton has hit the cycle and it’s only the fifth inning. What do you call it if he hits two cycles?
    Kurkjian: A Bi Cycle

  • Accent Shallow

    Andy: Joba, maybe we should start you in game 1. You haven’t had a game quite this bad.
    Joba: Word.

    • Bob Stone

      Fans are so fickle.

      • Accent Shallow

        You mean Andy is so fickle, he forgot how CC was the horse of the staff.

        I wouldn’t suggest something so absurd.

        (Although it would be great to see Joba match Verlander.)

    • Jack

      Stupid spam filter.

      http://tinyurl.com/yjj6kwv

  • Accent Shallow

    Not sure how much I believe in Ben Zobrist’s ludicrous season, especially given the facial hair. Yikes.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He actually did a lot of work last offseason and basically overhauled his swing, so there’s tangible evidence for the improvement.

      That said, .841 OPS since June 17th vs 1.123 before. The former is probably more indicative of his real future production level.

    • Bob Stone

      He’s never had more than 198 at bats in a season or batted better than .253. This season may be the prototypical outlying anomaly, but he’s had a great year and has hit in so many clutch situations.

  • Dela G

    wow just got back from dinner

    good to see CC got the shitty start out the way now instead of LDS

  • Accent Shallow

    Gabe Kapler: unable to hit either Phil Coke or Nick Swisher.

  • Jersey

    Wainwright just lost his chance at 20 wins. STL bullpen blew it.

    • Bob Stone

      That’s a shame. Great year for him anyway.

  • Bob Stone

    The Royals are battling back. Twins 10, Royals 5 in the 6th.

  • Accent Shallow

    Dale Thayer: apparently not killed in the sinking of the Titanic

  • Dela G

    JUAN MIRANDA!!

    WOOOHOOO FUCK YEAH!

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    We’re only down by 9! Hooray! Good for Miranda.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    First jack for Miranda. I’m certain he’s seen Thayer in Triple-A.

    • Dela G

      very proud of miranda

      his parents have to be giddy with joy

  • Accent Shallow

    Who would have thought Ramiro freakin’ Pena would get his first career bomb before Miranda?

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      He’s played quite a few games more, but yeah, pretty crazy.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Well, Pena had ~100 more big league at-bats under his belt at the time of his first homer.

  • bonestock94

    Rockies on the board

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Miranda could probably play in the bigs, just not on a good team. A bad AL team that could DH him occasionally sounds about right.

    • Dela G

      i disagree. I think he could turn into a poor man’s juan rivera from the angels

      • JMK aka The Overshare

        Rivera seems much more athletic. He could also hit both lefties and righties.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          Dela’s right, his R-L splits were bad last year but he’s made big strides this year.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Yeah, maybe you’re right. His R/L splits were pretty stark last year but this year they’re almost identical. Nice job by him.

        http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=506673

        • Accent Shallow

          Yeah, but how indicative are MiL splits of one’s ability to hit same-handed MLB pitching?

          Especially for lefties, since most good lefties are in the majors. (Or too young, a la Bumgarner)

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            True, but since they were bad last year and almost identical this year, it still represents progress on his part.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Cone just made a key point I forgot to make earlier. Were really talking about 2, maybe 3 ABs with Molina. You pinch hit Posada for him late in the game and he still gets an AB or two.

    • Accent Shallow

      But those are 2, maybe 3 almost guaranteed outs.

      Unless AJ really needs Molina to catch to have a good game, I wouldn’t do it.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Maybe you got here late, but it looks like its happening.

        • Accent Shallow

          Shit.

          This is probably going to result in me throwing things throughout the playoffs.

  • Dela G

    good god BJ upton is on fire today

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    ‘Stache needs to go, Phil. It’s hideous.

    • Bob Stone

      You beat me to it. Was just going to write the same thing.

    • Dela G

      i love the stache man! maybe its because i have an inability to grow facial hair at all…

      • Accent Shallow

        He looks like a cop.

        Fuck.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Pfft, consider yourself lucky. I’d rather be woken up every day by having someone punch me in the face instead of having to shave every other day.

        • Dela G

          yeah i started shaving at the age of 20 (i’m 22 now) and shave once every 3 weeks :(

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            I’m Italian. If I’m not cooking, I’m eating. And if I’m not cooking or eating, I’m shaving.

            • Dela G

              iiiiiiiinteresting

            • JMK aka The Overshare

              Haha. Ever shave while eating?

      • Tom Zig

        Mine just grows in reallll slow. I can get away with shaving once a week and I still find that to be tedious

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          You and Dela are lucky. Full, thick beard in about a week. My back also has a weird hair patch, and if I flex my shoulders, it resembles a hairy vagina. Fun party trick…

          • Dela G

            haha i have zero back and chest hair and my arm/leg hari started growing at 18!

            i can’t imagine what it would be to have chest/back hair!!

        • thurdonpaul

          grow a beard, thats what i did

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    Where did that miss?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Ummmm … where’d that one miss?

  • Dela G

    where did that miss???

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    See guys. This is just a weird game all around. Do we think that Hughes is going to implode in the playoffs because of this poor outing?

  • Accent Shallow

    Again, better to give up rockets to scrubs like Reid Brignac now than next week.

    /yes, I know he’s a top prospect. Don’t care

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    This ump must enjoy being in a crappy game in one of the ugliest ball parks in the continent. What’s with the strike zone?

  • Dela G

    what a tight ass strike zone

    dude, the score is 13-3, let anything close be a strike and get it over with you doof

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Kate Hudson’s prenant

    http://www.nydailynews.com/gos....._says.html

    or not.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Apparently Alex Gonzalez was hurt badly in the Sox game. Could be a ginormous loss for them.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      It was a huge loss for RAB. Then again, that was a different era.

    • Tom Zig

      jokes aside, hasn’t be been hitting like .300 since coming over? And has provided solid defense

    • Accent Shallow

      Is he the one who booted the possible DP ball for the Cubs, or the one who hit the bomb off Weaver that year?

    • Dela G

      “ginormous?” I dunno about that. The guy can’t hit (although somehow he is hitting .289 since he came back to boston), and all he does is field.

      Its an important loss i guess, but they might be able to survive without him like they did before they traded for him…

  • Tom Zig

    anyone here watch “Surviving Disaster” on Spike?

  • Alex K.

    FOR ANYONE WORRYING ABOUT CC, PLEASE READ:

    Zack Greinke (he of the 2.06 ERA), against Toronto, June, 5 2009:
    5.0 IP 9 H 7 R 5 ER 2 BB 3 K
    … and he SHOULD win the Cy Young.

    Felix Hernandez against Toronto, July, 27, 2009:
    5.2 IP 11 H 7 R 7 ER 2 BB 2K
    … and he is in the running for the Cy Young.

    Roy Halladay against Tampa, August 24, 2009:
    6.0 IP 12 H 8 R 7 ER 1 BB 8 K
    … and he is in the running for Cy Young.

    Tim Linecum against Los Angeles, September 20, 2009:
    4.0 IP 4 H 5 R 5 ER 1 BB 3 K
    … and he should win the NL Cy Young.

    Adam Wainwright against Philadelphia, May 5, 2009:
    6.0 IP 9 H 7 R 7 ER 2 BB 5 K
    … and he is in the running for the Cy Young.

    • Tom Zig

      If it weren’t his last start of the regular season, no one would really freak

      • Jack

        To be fair, there aren’t too many people freaking anyway.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I don’t think anyone’s worrying. I remember Pettitte gave up like, 8 runs in his last start of the season one year, then threw like 7 or 8 scoreless in his first ALDS start.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Hahahhaha!!!

    Coney going through Posada and Molina’s splits with AJ!

    MY MAN!!!!!!!

  • Dela G

    GRIT GUTNER CARES ABOUT THE RUN DIFF!!

    13-4!!

    GET SOME PIE!…. or not

  • Dela G

    if that’s anyone other than molina or posada, the runner is safe

  • Tom Zig

    Did anyone for the Yanks get injured today?

    • Bob Stone

      There was a scare with Tex when he was thrown at, but he’s okay. Otherwise, no injuries.