Yanks have no answer for Lee, drop series opener

World Series Game One Spillover Thread VI
A Second Look: Managing the 8th inning

For the first time in six Octobers, a World Series game was played in the Bronx tonight. Given how things unfolded, maybe the Yankees wished it had just kept raining. That’s about the only thing that could have stopped Cliff Lee tonight.

The game started in rather ominous fashion, when CC Sabathia loaded the bases in the first on a walk, a double, and another walk with two outs, only to escape unscathed when Raul Ibanez bounced a 3-1 pitch to second for a routine groundout. It was apparent from the get-go that Sabathia was going to have to be on his game tonight to match Lee, who was dealing right from the very first pitch.

Working at a feverish pace and pounding the zone, Lee struck out seven batters through the first four innings, and needed less than three pitches per batter (2.86 to be exact) to record his first twelve outs. After dominating the Rockies twice in the NLDS and the Dodgers once in the NLCS, it didn’t look like coming back to face an AL lineup affected the southpaw from Arkansas at all.

Sabathia, on the other hand, clearly wasn’t his usual self tonight. He still gave his team seven good innings and a start that on most nights would have secured him a win, but on this particular night four hits and two runs was just too many. His two most costly pitches of the night came against the same batter, Chase Utley, who drove each pitch into the rightfield seats for a solo homer.

In the third inning, Utley fouled off five pitches as part of a nine pitch at-bat before driving a fastball that drifted too far out over the plate into the people, and in the sixth he turned around a similar fastball down 0-2 in the count for his second jack. The last time Sabathia served up two homers to a lefty batter in the same game is also the last time he gave up two homers to one batter in the same game, Opening Day 2008 when Jim Thome got him twice.

Despite Utley’s heroics, the story of the night was clearly Cliff Lee, who for nine innings kept the Yankees off balance with a hearty mix of fastballs, cutters, changeups, and curveballs. He threw first pitch strikes to just half of the 32 batters he faced, but it seemed like he was constantly ahead of the Yankee hitters all night. Only one batter reached second base prior to the ninth inning, and no batter drew a walk after the Yanks took 47 of them as a team in their first nine playoff games. Lee was dominant in every sense of the word, allowing just the one garbage time unearned run and striking out ten against just six baserunners.

In a lineup noted for it’s patience, no Yankee hitter saw more than 18 pitches in Game One. The two through four hitters went a combined 2-for-16 with seven strikeouts, three by playoff hero Alex Rodriguez. The Cap’n was the only player able to muster consistent offense, going 3-for-4 with a double from the lead off spot.

Outside of Damaso Marte, the Yankees bullpen just flat out did not get the job done. Phil Hughes walked both batters he faced – two guys with a combined .327 OBP on the year – in the eighth, and Brian Bruney was nothing short of atrocious in the ninth. The tack on runs hardly mattered in the grand scheme of things, but Joe Girardi seems to be running short on trustworthy arms out there.

The good news for the Yankees is that the Paul O’Neill theory is in effect for Game Two, and the even better news is that Cliff Lee can’t pitch every game. Old buddy Pedro Martinez will come back to the Bronx tomorrow, pitching against an AL lineup in the playoffs for the first time since 2004. He’ll be opposed by AJ Burnett, who has lost just once at home in the last two months.

The winner of Game One has won 11 of the last 12 World Series, with the lone exception being the 2002 Giants. But remember, the Yankees dropped the first two to Atlanta in 1996, including the first game by a 12-1 score. This thing is far from over.

World Series Game One Spillover Thread VI
A Second Look: Managing the 8th inning
  • radnom

    Not worried,

    Bring on Pedro.

  • Jersey

    Today was a warmup.

    Tomorrow we go to war.

  • http://twitter.com/mikepop1027 Mike Pop

    The winner of Game One has won 12 of the last 13 World Series

    The 2009 New York Yankees defy the odds.

  • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

    It’s time for Teixy to take over. Tonight we can chalk up bad offensive performances to Lee. Tomorrow, we need to get some runs. I expect Al to do his thang but at some point, someone not named Al and Jete needs to handle business.

    • e mills

      +225 (2+13)^2

    • Salty Buggah

      Agreed. There are going to be nights like tonight when A-Rod or Jeter (though he got 3 htis tonight) won’t hit all that well. We need to have someone else pick us up. A-Rod and to a lesser extent Jeter have carried us this postseason. Someone like Swish or Tex or Matsui or Damon or Posada or Cano needs to get scorching hot.

    • Mr Feeny

      In all seriousness, is there a more automatic out than nick swisher? The problem is, his outs arent even inspiring confidence that he will get out of this. Hes been popping up more balls than Matsui has been grounding to first.

      • larryf

        he’s terrible on off speed stuff which Pedro throws alot. Could be a long night again for Swish.

        • Bo

          What has Swisher been good on?

  • YankeeScribe

    Pedro and the Phillies bullpen will not shut us out. The Yankes will hit in gm 2.

    AJ’s control problems worry me. The Phillies lineup has a lot of plate discipline, AJ will have to throw strikes. If he gives up 3 runs or less and goes 7 innings, it’s a quality start for him.

    Hopefully the Yanks bullpen was just rusty tonite and will be more effective tomorrow

  • e mills

    new south park sucks…what a night!

  • Brooklyn Sean

    i hate 09 cliff lee like i hate 06 kenny rogers…

    oh well, we’ll win tomorrow!

  • pollo

    I’m at peace with this team. Cliff Lee was gangster tonight.

    Even if we lose the WS, I’ll be ok with it because Philly is a legitimately good team. After the bullshit losses this franchise has had to endure the last 5 years — 3-0 lead blown; Randy Johnson pitching like a complete pussy; Rain delays fucking up Wang/Kenny Rogers cheating; Joba and the sequel Achebe’s Things Fall Apart — I can fully accept that we are getting beat by the better team. Obviously it’s a little early to eulogize our season, but got damn the Phillies are good.

    • e mills

      blasphemy (not sarcastic)

    • Marcus

      Yeah um talk about giving up early…

    • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew


      At peace? It sounds like you’ve got closure.

      IMO, that is fucking nuts.
      We are better than the Phillies. We lost one game.

      • Brian

        Yeah, it’s a little early to eulogize…but if AJ absolutely blows it tomorrow….you can write the full-blown eulogy. If AJ flops like he is very prone to doing, it is over. The guy is an absolute headcase.

        The season is riding on a headcase’s right arm — great.

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          See? This I don’t understand. You, Brian, are a Yankee fan, right? So you’re rooting for the team to win, and you shouldn’t be sitting here at 2 a.m. thinking about ways for A.J. to blow it. I often think many Yankee fans root for the team and against the individual players for no good reason at all.

          • Brian

            No, I just hated the Burnett signing from day 1.

            I am obviously rooting for him to win. But he instills ZERO confidence in me – one of the millions of Yankee fans. Maybe I’m overreacting and being a bit irrational, but I just cannot stand watching this guy be so wild almost every time out. He’s getting paid $18.5 mill a year to be a #2 starter. I just demand a little more consistency out of my 2nd starter than what Burnett brings to the table.

            Of course I want him to do well. But until he can go out there and put up zeroes and not walk 5 or 6 guys; I won’t have the least bit of confidence in him. It’s going to kill me to watch him start another crucial playoff game later tonight. He needs to be able to throw strike one, something he does not do often. I want the team to do well, and I’m still steaming from that ugly loss tonight – so much of what I’m typing is probably a product of being pissed at the display of hitting and bullpen relief. Go Yanks!

            • BIGRON164

              what relief?

        • Sweet Dick Willie

          If AJ flops like he is very prone to doing, it is over.

          So you’re too young to remember ’96?

          • Bo

            Who did you want here? Derek lowe? LOL. These games are made for guys like Burnett. Pitchers with dominating stuff. Pitch to contact pitchers dont work in October. Ask the Angels and Twins and Dodgers.

        • BIGRON163

          U got that right cuz.Hope that nutjob has a jem in him

  • RKelly39

    Game 2 is must win. If we win game 2 all we have to do is win 1 of 3 games in philly to get a shot of game 6 & 7 at home. That’s do-able. Win tomorrow.

  • Richard

    What is the paul oneill theory?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      O’Neill always said that when a team scores late when they’re being blown out, they carry that momentum into the next day and hit early.

      I’ve been paying attention to these situations the last two years, it’s surprisingly accurate.

      • pat

        I always thought it was more than 1 run tho.

      • JGS

        not sure if scoring an unearned run when a guy throws a DP ball into the stands counts for that

        • Bo

          O’Neill would make a good manager.

  • Accent Shallow

    Losing doesn’t bother me. Losing to someone like Cliff Lee, who I’m incredulous that he’s actually a good pitcher, pisses me off to no end.

    That said, the Yankees still have a better team. Here’s hoping Phil Hughes remembers he’s really good when he wakes up tomorrow morning.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He’s been doing if for the last two years now, 75% of which was in the AL. Lee’s legit, accept it.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      I’m a little confused as to why Yankee fans thought Cliff Lee was a slouch. This guy walked fewer than 1 batter per start in the NL. Over his last two seasons, he had a 2.89 in 455 innings. That’s sixth best in all of baseball over that time. He’s for real, and tonight, we just have to tip our cap to him. We’ll get ‘em tomorrow.

      • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

        Anyone that doesn’t have commercials and doesn’t pitch in the AL East is a slouch. You haven’t heard?

        The entire Twins staff were scrubs. The Angels had one decent starter in Lackey.

        I bet if we played against Greinke in the playoffs people would say; “He ain’t shit, he pitched in KC.”

        I’m confused that you’re confused that some Yank’s fans thought he was a slouch.

        I mean I don’t think many of us expected a 9 inning 1 run 10 K performance but a lot of us knew CC/Cliff would be a battle.

      • Mac

        Because he’s not a power pitcher and the confidence in the stacked Yanks lineup.

        Lee’s curve was deadly last night he had absolutely everything working.

        CC bent a little but didn’t break – he pretty much answered any doubts inre him being a true #1. Shame he had to lose last night.

        Good thing on last night 122 pitches for Lee. Hopefully that comes back to bite Manuel and Co.

        • BIGRON164

          This yankee lineup doesn’t look so stacked this post season. Tex took over A Rod’s post season choke roll,and swish is mr popup

      • Accent Shallow

        Call it denial. I was skeptical as hell when he started obliterating the AL in ’08, and I never fully bought it.

        I suppose after two seasons of it, I have to.

        • Bo

          I dont see how anyone can watch lee the past 2 yrs and say he isnt a top of the line pitcher. Who are you watching? You do realize some guys dont need to throw 99 to be dominating right?

          • Accent Shallow

            I’m just saying I had a hard time believing he went from solid, above average starter to hurt/in the minors to top 3 pitcher in the game at age 30. He’s finally convinced me.

            And of course you don’t need straight gas to dominate, but his stuff doesn’t look impressive to me, which just shows you why I’m not a scout or a ballplayer.

          • The Three Amigos

            I dont think it’s that… after shutting us down he’s obviously legit. However, I think when you watch Verlander shut a team down with 98 mph and you see his pitches on tv, you can almost tell he is blowing people away. Contrast that with Lee, who throws 91, has obviously great control, and deception, on tv it doesnt look like its so difficult, even though it clearly is. I think that’s where this line of thought comes from.

  • Richard

    Yea lee is legit I’m more worried A-rod looked off balance at plate tonight but tex hit some hard balls so maybe he’ll get going and when he does we all know how streaky he can get he could also carry this team for a series

  • http://www.stonerh1@aol.com Bob Stone

    I can’t wait fo the Yank’s bats to wake up against Pedro.

    • http://kikojones5.blogspot.com Kiko Jones

      I will endure any eventual outcome of the WS as long as the Bombers show up on Tuesday night vs that asshole Pedro. (Sorry for the cursing but that guy gets to me.)

  • e mills

    1996 Smoltz, Glavine, and Maddux were much more formidable than 2009 Lee, Pedro, and Blanton.

    • e mills

      Blanton Hamels

  • Joker, The

    First time poster, had to get away from Lohud. Anyone got anything to cheer me up going into tomorrow…well, tonight’s game? Cuz I’ve got nothin’. Anything? Please?

    • Joey

      We’re facing the propped up dead body of Pedro “who’s your daddy” Martinez?

      Don’t have to look too hard to see that one

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      It’s baseball, and the Yanks are playing in the World Series. They lost a game and not the series. It’s all about perspective. The Internet drives people nuts about baseball sometimes, but the game, at its core, is a lot of fun. Nothing can take that away. It sucks to lose, but then you’re over it.

      Zen Baseball, I call it.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

        It is what got me through the end of the Anaheim series.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Milbarge: Maybe your dick’s not so dumb.
          Fitz-Hume: It got me through high school.

      • Joker, The

        I like the sound of that. I try to relax, but being such a die-hard fan it’s hard for me to not go crazy with each loss, especially now.

        If they win tonight I think they’ll be alright but if they don’t…personally I’ll be in panic mode.

        Please beat these douchebags up guys, if for no other reason than to shut that arrogant little pissant Rollins up.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          You know, there’s not even anything wrong with going crazy with each loss.

          It’s only wrongheaded to carry that over into predicting defeat for the next game before it starts, or before it’s over. That’s when you’re being ridiculous.

          But, you wanna go crazy over the fact that Cliff Lee shut us down? Go right ahead. That loss sucked.

          We’ll still win tonight, though.

    • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

      This always helps me when I’m feeling down:


  • Nady Nation

    Looking forward to the domestic abuse tomorrow.

    • ansky

      Miguel Cabrera is not in this series.

  • Rey22

    You tip your cap and move on…Lee was just money tonight.

    Tomorrow will be a whole nother story.

  • Free Mike Vick

    Cliff Lee was masterful. Just masterful.

    Tomorrow…the fun begins folks.

  • Brazilian Yankee

    Please just tell me we are not starting Molina tomorrow. We’ll definately score at least 4 runs off Pedro, let’s just hope AJ gives up less than that.

    • charlespoet

      Girardi has to start Posada – he hits Pedro.

      • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

        Saying that Jorge “hits” Pedro is being a bit generous. His triple slash line vs. Pedro is .183/.290/.450, but he has hit 4 HR off of him. I do think Jorge should start tomorrow, but let’s not pretend he has hit Pedro.

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          I rounded those numbers up to .324/.378/.767. Maybe that’s what they’ll look like after tomorrow. No. They will.

          I’ll be super-upset if we can’t put up crooked numbers on Pedro. I’m not convinced that guy has it. In fact, Nick Swisher gets a home run and goes 2 for 5. Yes, the same Nick Swisher that has been dividing by zero throughout the playoffs. Book it.

          • BIGRON164

            hope swish has been praying to Jobu

  • @-god

    A-GOD will hit a bomb tomorrow.

  • stuart

    hughes collapse has really hurt. really the pen only became good when hughes became real good. everyone else is very hit or miss and hughes right now jsut stinks.. that is a huge issue….

    man i cannot wait till bruney moves on after this year.. another hard thrower who has no idea where the ball is going.

    they need to let matsui go after this year for sure, but jorge as a DH is not as attractive as a hitter..

    man when a pitcher is good they make the other team look old……

    CC was pretty good tonight.. win tommorrow and they will be fine.. they must win tommorrow so who knows what AJ will show up!!11

  • stuart

    i would also start Jorge tommorrow. Down 1 game to zilch, molina cannot hit at all and AJ stunk last game with Molian.. AJ will have to just suck it up and pitch to the glove.

    Have not seen Paul Bako get behind the plat for philly yet…………

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  • http://inthemasses.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mad-max-poster-1.jpg gxpanos

    About this Burnett-Molina stuff.

    Not sure that the 1st inning of Game 5 will disqualify Molina from starting tomorrow. AJ rebounded pretty well, and Molina navigated him through 5 more good innings.

    I’ve been in the Posada-should-start camp from the start, but Burnett threw MEATBALLS in the first inning; it wasnt Molina’s fault. I just feel like, if Girardi loves that tandem so much, Game 5 wouldnt necessarily convince him to go to Posada.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Just some food for thought: hypothetically, say Molina is paired with Burnett and Burnett completely shits the bed, we lose the game by a very small margin, and ultimately the series. People will call for Girardi’s head. Any chance in Hell Girardi is fired?

      I say no, but it’s something to think about.

      • Derby

        Ummm NO

  • Derby

    Yea we really had to answer for Lee tonight. On any other night, CC would have won the game. Idk, is it just me or was the home plate ump horrible tonight? Seemed like a lot of the batters didn’t like his calls, and it seemed like pitches he would give one guy he wouldn’t give the opposing pitcher. Maybe it’s just me…..

    • Joker, The

      No, it definitely wasn’t just you. That check swing call on Cano still pisses me off. Not that it would have probably mattered in the long run, but still.

      • pat

        Dude I’m probably overreating too but IMO the Cano check swing call really really fucked us. The difference between 2-1 and 1-2 is enormous, especially with a guy like Robbie. Oh well, can’t blame the umps. It still pissed the shit out of me too tho.

      • TheLastClown

        And that wasn’t the home plate ump. It was the third base ump.

  • Joe D.

    The winner of Game One has won 12 of the last 13 World Series, with the lone exception being the 2002 Giants.

    I’m pretty sure this stat is incorrect.

    The last 13 World Series span 1996-2008.
    In 1996, the Yankees dropped the first game and one the series.
    In 2002, the Angels dropped game one and won the series.

    So the winner of fame one has won 11 of the past 13.

    Am I doing something wrong here?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      That’s what I get for trusting FOX.

      • Joe D.

        I can’t blame you for forgetting about 1996. It was only the beginning of one of the greatest dynasties of all-time, after all. :)

    • JGS

      no, but they probably just meant “11 of the past 12″

      then again, how many of the past 12 have even gone to 6 games? there have been a lot of blowouts in recent years

      • Joe D.

        Well, that’s one of the things that makes it a bit of a goofy stat anyhows. Interesting, yah, but fairly useless.

        It includes, for example, the Yankees trouncing the Braves, Padres, and Mets in 1998-2000. Three cases in which the Yankees winning the first game wasn’t any sort of turning point or deciding factor in the series. (More specifically: three cases in which the victor was pretty clearly superior to the loser.)

        I’d dare to say that 2004 and 2007 (Red Sox sweep Cards and Rockies, respectively) fall in the same boat.

  • stuart

    if they do not give Gardner the start tommorrow they never will. Swisher literally has done less then nothing.

    Why not? they get better defensivley, add more speed, and again gardner can hit 110 like swisher with no power also…….

    • JGS

      but Swisher can’t run for Matsui when Hideki draws a walk with the game tied in the ninth

    • Giovanni

      I’ve been in the ‘give Gardner a start’ camp for a couple weeks now. However its hard to do now that Melky finished off the Angels series with a couple good games. He’s probably one of the hotter hitters on the team spanning a few games.

  • pat

    Eh yeah losing sucks but we take it way worse than the players do. I’m sure they just tip their cap admit that Lee was untouchable and move on. Not like we committed a buttload of errors or went 0-15 w/risp. He was flat out dominant, take it for what it is and get on with it and prepare for Pedro.

  • Salty Buggah

    Silver Linings:

    – Jeter is still hitting well
    – CC was good despite having some control problems
    – Though he Kd thrice, A-Rod had quality ABs
    – Marte got outs
    – No errors
    – We can handle Howard
    – No shutout
    – Pedro tomorrow
    – We’re the balls still

    • Joe D.

      Gold lining:

      The Yankees are the better team.

      • Salty Buggah


    • PIerce

      I wouldn’t call Howard going 2-5 against our best left handed pitcher “Handling Him”

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Well, technically, he didn’t go 2-5 against our best lefthanded pitcher. He faced three different lefties.

        He went:
        1-3 against Sabathia
        0-1 against Marte
        1-1 against Coke


    • Scott C

      - We can handle Howard

      Really? When is going 2-4 being handled?

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    Ya know, I was hopping mad about how this game went. At one point I threatened to break a very nice Scotch bottle over my cat’s head (and the poor thing is already wearing a diaper; it would be a poor idea).

    Having cooled off (and sobered up) a bit, I feel totally okay. We ran into a pitcher that is EXTREMELY hot and couldn’t produce anything offensively. No way we see that for the next two games, which gives us an excellent chance at winning both. Lee throwing on 3 days rest (with no history of ever having done it) against the team seeing him the second time in a short period doesn’t scare me that much, especially against CC.

    We’re not without concerns, though:

    1) The offense. Although we’ve consistently scored around 5 runs or more throughout the playoffs, I think this is a misleading stat. This is not the offense we saw in the regular season. We haven’t seen that offense show up with any consistency throughout the post-season. We’ve been very reliant on the homer, and way too reliant upon Jeter and A-Rod. Swisher, Cano, Tex and Damon cannot play the way they have for us to realistically win the series. The Phillies are much better than the Twins and the Angels. We beat those teams largely on starting pitching dominance, Jeter and A-Rod, Mo and the other team’s blunders. Not a recipe for success.

    2) The bullpen. This needs no explanation. Outside of Mo, no one has really distinguished themselves. Aceves? Yikes. Robertson? Tonight wasn’t great, but he’s done pretty well (albeit in a very small SSS). He still doesn’t look like the guy, though. Bruney? I won’t even address that. Coke is a LOOGY, and home-run prone. Joba’s velocity has seemingly returned but his command is non-existent. Hughes has only retired 14 of 29 batters faced. Marte has seemingly been the most reliable member of our pen (in the non-Mo division). The lineups between the teams are pretty even but we were supposed to have a HUGE advantage in the bullpen. It would be really nerve-wracking to lose that advantage. We’re then left with starting pitching as the only clear-cut sizeable advantage.

    3) Which AJ shows up? The other two concerns don’t make much difference if we’re down 0-2 because AJ doesn’t throw well. I’m not saying the Yanks can’t climb out of the hole–they can–but let’s be realistic, that will be a big uphill climb.

    So, in conclusion, I still feel pretty good about things. Our starting pitching is still better than theirs. There’s no shame in losing to Cliff Lee. The guy is a top-notch pitcher. Absolutely no way we replicate that abomination of a hitting performance again. One could argue that we have the starting pitching advantage in games throughout the series (Lee on short rest vs. Sabathia on short rest should tip our way), with a push in Game 7. Will the bullpen get their shit together?

    Sorry if I’ve belabored points. It’s late :(

    • pat

      If you’re going to brush off Robertson’s success as SSS then u should brush off Hughes’ shortcomings too.

      • JMK aka The Overshare

        Eh, Hughes has twice as many appearances.

        • pat


          on Cops

          • JMK aka The Overshare

            I wish. My sister was telling me a story about a gas station clerk seeing America’s Most Wanted and somehow believing that someone profiled walked into his station. What does he do? Shoots him in the face when the guy is trying to buy a candy bar or something like that. Turns out the guy who was shot was THE ACTOR.

            Love it.

    • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

      Number one concern:
      Love the cat man.

    • Chris

      My response:

      1) Yankees scored 5.64 rpg in the regular season. Coming into last nights game they scored 5.33, so no big difference. They were very reliant on the HR in the regular season. No one really cared because you accept a few losses in the regular season.

      2) Yankee Starters ERA: 2.55
      Yankee Relievers ERA: 3.34

      The bullpen is pitching well, you just can’t win every game.

      3) That’s a valid question about AJ. But I’m confident that good Pedro won’t show up. Or at least won’t show up for more than 4 innings.

  • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

    Basically folks, we lost. We got beat. We got out pitched and out hit. In someways, this makes it easier for me to move on to tomorrow. I’d be more pissed if we outplayed them in one facet of the game and still lost.

  • Salty Buggah

    1923: Yankee Stadium opens, Game 1 WS loss, Championship WON
    1976: Yankee Stadium opens after renovation, Game 1 WS loss, Championship lost
    2009: New Yankee Stadium opens. Game 1 WS loss, Championship ?

    The pattern says we’ll win.

    (Making conclusions out of nothing’d)

  • Ryan

    I’m not worried. Salty Buggah is right with the Game 1 losses in our past “new houses”. Besides, we’ve been in worse situations before. It is disheartening to drop one at home, but we just couldn’t hit Cliff Lee last night. That’s all. We’re facing the ghost of Pedro tonight, so I fully believe he’ll get lit up. I only wish I was in the Bronx to chant with the rest of the guys.

    While I wasn’t very happy with the outcome last night, I have to admit I kind of LOL’ed when Lee nonchalantly caught that weak pop-up (could’ve done without the commentary by McCarver and Buck, however).

  • dalelama

    Good night it’s over, as much as I hate to admit it the Phillies are the better team, especially in a seven game series when you can throw Cliff Lee three times. With the exception of SS and 3rd they are better at every position while right now we have 4 automatic outs in the line-up. It has been a great season though. Phillies in 5.

    • Salty Buggah

      Umm, no. We are definitely the better team. Don’t give up hope but if you do, you can’t celebrate #27 with us.

      • dalelama

        I have hope but that won’t change the reality–the Phillies are just better, especially in a short series when one pitcher can go three times. Our supposed strength, the bullpen, is in shambles and four hitters are in deep slumps with no sign of life. And tonight we have a head case pitching, will put another auto out into the line-up, and still have the same clueless manager.

        • mustang

          Stop acting like a Mets fan it’s one game.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            None of this is gonna matter when we’re famous singers.

        • http://twitter.com/hopjake Jake H

          A 7 game series isn’t a short series. Also Lee has NEVER pitched on 3 days rest in his entire career. I doubt they go to him 3 times in this series.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Well, they’ll try to go to him three times, but there won’t be a 7th game, so they won’t have to.

            Both teams will start their aces again on short rest in Game 4, but CC will handle short rest better than Lee will (because he’s a better pitcher and a stronger workhorse) and the results shall be quite different. We’ll be up 3-1 after that Game 4.

    • Chris

      Yankees are better at C, starting pitching and bullpen. Just because they have one pitcher throw an incredible game doesn’t mean the series is over.

      • dalelama

        Let’s see Posada is an idiot who can’t throw anybody out, call a game (same pitch to Utley twice–those who don’t learn from history are condemned to repeat it) versus Ruiz who calls a great game, has a brain and a gun for an arm, and is super clutch—compare these post season stats:
        Carlos Ruiz
        A ? OBP SLG OPS
        .294 .400 .435 .835
        Jorge Posada
        .238 .352 .387 .739

        As you can see Ruiz is superior and doesn’t bring Jorge’s low IQ and horrible base running baggage.

        Granted the Yanks may have a slight starting pitching advantage if this were the regular season but it isn’t. You saw what Lee will do for three games and how comfortable are you with Burnett against a patient squad of professional hitters with not a single auto out in the line-up. Personally I have no faith in Burnett and predict he won’t get past the fifth tonight. As for our vaunted bullpen how did last night feel ?

        • http://twitter.com/hopjake Jake H

          So it’s Posada’s fault that CC threw 2 meatballs. Check.

          Also if you notice on the 2nd hr, Posada called for 2 different pitches, CC didn’t want them. He wanted to throw a cutter inside and missed very badly.

          I also love it when you compare a guy with 400 at bats to a guy who has 100.

          • dalelama

            A more respected catcher would have been listened to. That is all the comparison you can make. 100 is a significant sample for post season play. It is what it is. But I don’t think anyone looking at it objectively would choose Posada over Ruiz or claim Posada is an advantage over Ruiz. I would take Ruiz—better defensively, better baserunner, and from the available evidence a better post season hitter

            • mustang

              “A more respected catcher would have been listened to.”

              I just can’t anymore and you guys think I’m bad sometimes.

            • http://twitter.com/hopjake Jake H

              It doesn’t matter if you had the greatest catcher there of all time. If you noticed in that at bat Posada called for 3 breaking balls, CC didn’t want to throw them. Utley stepped out. He goes inside, hard hit ball. CC thinks he can beat him inside or thinks if he goes inside again he can setup outside. He threw it right down the middle. He missed his target by 3 inches. That is on CC not Posada.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          those who don’t learn from history are condemned to repeat it

          That’s the only useful or accurate thing you’ve said thus far. You should start taking your own advice.

        • Tampa Yankee

          All of this is batshit insane

        • kunaldo

          hey champ, cc shook posada off on those utley pitches…so get your facts straight

          ruiz is superior to jorge b/c of what, 30 ABs in which he hit better than him? are you sure you’re a yankees fan?

    • mustang

      That’s one of the bandwagon.

  • mryankee

    What the hell was that garbage? Was that the Yamkees? or the JV team at the local high school. I shut the game off in the fifth and thank god what a terrible showing. No excuse for that humiliation. The offense should be emabarrased I know Lee is good but come one give me a break. Anyway the hope is that the team is so humiliated they get off the mat and fight. I am sorry but that was just aswful to watch. Everytime I see Hughes pitch lately I want to puke.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      You have strange ways of watching baseball.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        You have strange ways of watching baseball, mryankee.


        • Bo

          I doubt JV teams are facing someone with the stuff and talent of Lee.

  • mustang

    “But remember, the Yankees dropped the first two to Atlanta in 1996, including the first game by a 12-1 score. This thing is far from over”

    The last time I didn’t believe in a Yankees playoff team. Down 0-2 looking at Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine and John Smoltz on the other side I said this shit is over.
    I had forgotten how resilient the 1996 team was during the regular season. Different team same resilience I thinking they have proven.

    So jump off the bandwagon if you like (SEE ABOVE) it’s the best out of seven not one game takes all.

    • mustang

      I think they have ..

  • http://twitter.com/hopjake Jake H

    Lee was a buzzsaw last night. I would have liked more quality at bats from him. They have to win tonight and I think they will. Then they get Hamels and while he has the tag of being a big game pitcher he is somewhat of a headcase this year. All you got to do is win 1 in Philly to get homefield back. This series is far from over.

  • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

    That Game 1 loss stat is pretty meaningless to me. I think FOX was also harping on Game 1 ALCS winners losing the series.

    Anyway, a nice recap. Tonight’s a new game with a new pitcher. The Yanks have got this.

  • Tampa Yankee

    Lee was historically good last tonight (1st pitcher with CG, 10K+, 0BB, 0ER in a WS) so he deserves credit. With that said, I don’t think the rest of their staff can do that to this lineup and with w/ Lee going all 9, I don’t think he comes back for game 4. If he does, I doubt he can repeat this performance.

    I still like the Yanks in 6.

    • dalelama

      Hope you are right but I doubt it. The cold hearted realist in me predicts the Phillies in 5. Too many guys aren’t hitting now, Burnett is a wackadoo, the Phillies line-up has no weakness (they ain’t the Twins or the Angels), and other than Mo our bullpen is a wreck. Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play ?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        The cold hearted realist in me predicts the Phillies in 5.

        Somebody who really thinks Carlos Ruiz is a better player than Jorge Posada based on the notoriously small sample size of the playoffs is not a “cold hearted realist”.

        You fail the sniff test.

      • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

        Let’s get one thing straight here. You’re not being a realist. You’re being a pessimist.

        Realism would be acknowledging the strengths and weaknesses of both teams–not calling the Phillies untouchable for the Yankees after one victory.

        • dalelama

          I am not calling the Phillies untouchable. I do acknowledge the Yankee strengths—closer, ss, and 3rd base. As far as anyone choosing Posada over Ruiz they must be a true fan (short for fanatic)…LOL

      • mustang

        This would be funny if it wasn’t so damn tragic.
        God I hope your not a real Yankees fan.

        • dalelama

          No one roots harder for the Yanks than me…But I am not rooting here, now…just trying to objectively predict the outcome…I had to go thru the years of Horace Clark at second, Tom Tresh at 3rd, and Pete Mikkelson as our stopper.

          • mustang

            I’m sorry sir, but I find it very difficult to “objectively predict the outcome” off one game in a seven game series.

            • Bo

              Tough to take anyone seriously that actually says Ruiz is better than Posada.

              • dalelama

                Facts (stats) are stubborn things.
                compare these post season stats:
                Carlos Ruiz
                A ? OBP SLG OPS
                .294 .400 .435 .835
                Jorge Posada
                .238 .352 .387 .739

            • dalelama

              As a Yankee fan in living in Philly territory I have had the opportunity to watch both closely for the last three years so my prediction is not based on the outcome of one game but an objective analysis of both teams personnel over an extended period of time integrated with my thorough knowledge of baseball. And to put it simply, in a short series vs. 162 game schedule the Phillies are the better team. Now that doesn’t mean the Yanks won’t win or that I won’t be rooting hard for them, it just means one should place their money on the Phillies. That way will take some of the sting out of the final outcome.

              • mustang

                “And to put it simply, in a short series vs. 162 game schedule the Phillies are the better team. Now that doesn’t mean the Yanks ”

                But if your saying that the Phillies are the better team in a short series that means that the Yanks won’t win. ?????

                So basically if the Yankees win it’s out of pure luck or because the Phillies fail to live up to their full potential.

                Good Theory

                We will speak again when RAB puts up the 2009 Yankees World Series Championship thread.

                • dalelama

                  Mustang, Exactly right, my heart says Yanks but my brain says Phillies…I will be the first to be happy if the brain is wrong but when it comes to baseball that is rare. I hope you are right. I will be right here.

                • mustang

                  The strange thing to me is that you actually believe that if the Yankees win this thing it’s “out of pure luck or because the Phillies fail to live up to their full potential.”

                  The Yankees would have a better record over a 164 games playing in a hard league,hard division and winning the best of 7. Still according you the Phillies would still be the better team.

                  I just can’t follow that logic.

              • V


                You think Ruiz is better than Posada based on 100 hot ABs.

                I can’t call you an imbecile, so…


                • dalelama

                  Talk to you when it is over and Posada has had his usual .239 series and Ruiz hits .350

  • Mark B.

    Give Cliff Lee his due – he was awesome last night and is the main reason the Phillies won.

    The one big question I have after last night is whether we can still rely on Phil Hughes this postseason in a close game. I am not liking what I have seen from him this entire postseason – call it nerves or whatever, but he’s not been able to locate his fastball at all.

    • Reggie C.

      you almost got to go to Joba in those lead-off-the-7th spots now.

      • Doug

        is that supposed to make me feel better

  • vermontster

    I’m worried about tonights pitching matchup. Just because the fans will be chanting “whose your daddy” doesn’t mean pedro isn’t capable of twirling a gem. And AJ? Who knows what we’ll get from him. I was more confident in CC versus Lee than I am with AJ versus pedro.

    • Reggie C.

      Dude. You got to be more optimistic. We’re around 11 hours away from game time, so i’d advise not to think such thoughts so early in the day. If you’re gonna think of Pedro, think facts. He’s old. He hasnt pitched against a great offensive team in years. He’s got no juice on the FB anymore.

      • Doug

        throws as hard as lee does. just saying

        • vermontster

          plus he’s been here before. i know, i know…last night was only one game, but it was sooo one sided.

          • Doug

            i personally think we’ll get to pedro tonite, but to suggest that he’ll fail because he doesn’t throw a great fastball anymore is ridiculous.

  • larryf

    Did Damon try a drag bunt in the first inning? What was that? Very weak…..

    • vermontster

      anybody else ready for a switch in right field? give the lefty gardner a shot vs. pedro. I know swish is a switch hitter, but he doesn’t hit from either side of the plate. maybe gardner can put some pressure on pedro if/when he reaches base.

  • count crapulent says BOO

    The issue is that too many bandwagon fans are writing off the Yankees. Okay, you were fans for what? One day? or Two days? Bandwagon fans left the game last night. Bandwagon fans tossed those newly purchased Yankee caps onto the tracks of the J and Z line.

    Real fans live by the team, die by the team and know that the team has nights like this. Is everyone on the team jittery, pressing too hard, swinging at crap? Maybe. Is the bullpen falling apart? Maybe. Who knows? But whatever it is they are doing (or failing to do) we have the opportunity to play 54 more innings and get it right.

    I checked in here last night but the posts I read were so bad and so “all surrender” that I left.

    • vermontster

      well put! i’m not sure if it’s just bandwagon fans writing them off though. i think we were all just so confidnet heading into the series that game one was a rude awakening.

  • JGS

    oh, and Cliff Lee is now the all time postseason ERA leader, not Mo

    granted, he gives up 2 runs over 7 innings in his next outing and it’s back to Mo again, but for the time being it’s his

    • Doug

      what is the minimum innings on this?

      • JGS

        30–he qualified last night (0.54)

  • tony

    Is it me or did Hughes get squeezed on a few pitches??

    • Doug

      one for sure.

      but can’t really blame the ump for how he pitched. has no command right now. that or he’s suddenly afraid of contact.

      • larryf

        Rollins just got a piece of 2 good curveballs in a row from Phil. He seems to have better command of this lately-to take something positive out of it-but his fastball was an adventure…Did CC shake off Posada twice before Utley’s second homer? Imagine if AJ did that with Posada? We’d never hear the end of it!!!

        • Doug

          i’m glad he’s throwing more curves, but yeah, his FB is a mess.

          and yeah, cc did shake off posada twice. posada wanted to throw a change and a fastball away. cc wanted to come inside and ended up missing his target by a foot.

          • dalelama

            As Marte demonstrated and the rest of the National League knows you get Utley out with breaking stuff.

            • Doug

              yeah, just checked fangraphs and he’s worst against the curve ball and actually best against the cutter

              • dalelama

                Real poor advance scouting on this one…give Utley nothing but junk, junk, and more junk…

      • Bo

        Please dont blame the umps for Hughes walking 2.

        Even if he got squeezed its inexcusable going to full counts on the first 2 hitters

        • Doug

          i was not. hope this was in response to tony

  • Doug

    wonder if we’ll see hairston and his .952 OPS aginst pedro instead of swisher in RF tonite

    • dalelama

      I doubt it. Girardi doesn’t have the vision or the guts. Personally I would start Gardner in center and move Melky to right. I would also start Posada and not add another auto out to the line-up in the form of Molina.

      • Doug

        don’t think gardner’s gonna start at all in this series as he’s the only SB on the bench. girardi loves him in that role.

        as for posada, i think he should’ve been starting for aj all along, so you’re preaching to the choir

        • Evan NYC

          I like Hinske in RF.

  • Bo

    Easy recap. Lee outduels CC. Hughes and the bullpen stunk. Give credit to a great pitcher in Lee. Philly had to win that game last night or they were facing a really short series. Now we just know that this series is seeing at least 6 and maybe 7.

    We’ll see starting tonight how good they are. As we have the clear starter advantage and because they are going to need probably 12 outs in each of the next 2 games from their pen.

    • Tampa Yankee

      This is a Bo I can believe in.

    • mustang

      Who are you and what did you do with the real Bo?

    • Evan NYC

      They were saving their first win for Jay-Z, not Michelle Obama.

  • Jay

    Nattering nabobs of negativism.

    Anybody who knows their history knows who said this and it’s exactly what some Yankees fans around her sound like. Stop buying into the media nonsense that because the Yankees lose a game, they’ve lost the series. It happened after game 3 and game 5 of the ALCS too. It’s really frigging pathetic. Nut up fellas.

    Cliff Lee pitched his balls off last night. Yeah, Jeter got hits. But that’s Jeter. The dude elevates his game like no other player once the regular season ends and he’s been doing it since 1996 so nobody should be surprised. I’d rather the Yankees lose a game like they did last night than to consistently get guys on base and leave them there or make stupid errors and plays that cost them runs.

    It’s one game. Pedro throws tonight. Then the inconsistent Hamels and then possibly Lee again on 3 days rest. If the Yankees win the next two and Lee channels Sandy Koufax circa 1963 again in game 4, the Phillies will have to turn to JA Happ or Joe Blanton in game 5 because there’s no way they pitch Pedro on 3 days rest.

    If the Yankees lose tonight, then feel free to get a little nervous. But until that happens, have a f**king Coke and a smile and just CHILL.

    • dalelama

      Hope you are right…good advice…if you had to bet $1M on the final outcome what would it be ? Spiro Agnew ?

  • ansky

    Well after a good night’s sleep and a morning coffee I feel much better about last night. I tip my cap to Lee and I’m happy CC pitched pretty well. I’m not ready to jump off the ledge at all. This team has handled adversity and come back all year. (0-8 vs Redsox anyone?) They know what they have to do. If you’re a true fan you ride w/this team and you die w/this team. We Play Today, We Win Today…Das it!

  • hal

    I see a 9-8 win tonight with Mo being the difference at the end as both starters and bullpen leak petroleum all over the new YS

    • vermontster

      How many of those 8 philly runs are earned by aj? I like the 9 yankee runs though!

  • steve s

    I hope the Yanks noticed how the Phillies were acting last night (fill-in your word of choice: “arrogant” or “like assholes”). From Lee’s disdainful catch of the pop-up to his tag on Jorge and Rollins fake on Matsui they were having a good-old laugh last night at the Yankees expense. How about knocking Rollins down on the first pitch tonight; maybe that smirky smile will disappear for awhile. An aside to Captain Jete: save the chatter for spring training, get pissed and defend your house; the Phillies were giving the Yanks the finger all night and you were vying for the Mr. Congeniality Award (ahh… that feels better!).

    • Brooklyn Sean


  • SportsPat8

    Are we planning on going Sabathia Game 4, Pettitte short rest Game 5? Then AJB short rest Game 6? Then Sabatha short rest again Game 7?!?!

  • SportsPat8

    Switch Pettitte and AJB, Pettitte Game 6, AJB Game 5. Both on short rest.

  • Tank Foster

    I still don’t sit Swisher. Yes, he’s slumping. But Gardner is a flea, and putting him in there against Pedro….I just don’t know. Maybe if Molina didn’t start, but no way I’m putting a lineup out there, down 0-1, with Molina and Gardner. Sometimes things turn around quickly. Swisher should concentrate on getting his walks and just let things happen.

  • Title27

    Did anyone else notice the stuff on the brim and on the back of lee’s hat? It’s not like it was a superstition where he has to wear the same hat every game, and it gets kinda dirty after a few starts…it was a brand new World Series hat.

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