Report: Damon came crawling back

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Via T-Kep, Johnny Damon and Scott Boras came to the Yankees late Thursday and proposed a two year deal worth $20M. However, by then the Yanks had reached the point of no return with Nick Johnson, so Johnny was out of luck. Buster Olney noted this morning that some inside the organization were worried about Damon being unhappy next year after taking a big paycut, which makes sense.

Boras has definitely painted his client into a corner, as now Damon is stuck competing against two elite players at the same position on the open market, with not many clubs looking to pay them. Dems the breaks.

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  • Andy in Sunny Daytona
    • The Three Amigos

      Shameful. Boras has done a great job with his mega clients, but his fading stars and lesser talented clients have been getting the shaft lately.

      • lebigyank

        i think its the other way around

        he almost wrecked manny and arod with his stubburness and yet he gets great deals for guys that are almost there like the teixeiras and stuff.

        • Steve H

          But he didn’t wreck Manny and A-Rod, he got way more money for them then any 2nd team was ready to offer.

          • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Forget it, he’s rolling.

            /Boon’d

          • lebigyank

            i said almost because of the pr a rod got and how the yanks were ready to move on until a rod climbed back and openly criticized boras but money wise i guess it erases that

        • steve (different one)

          wierd assessment. Teixeira was a much bigger star than Manny was last offseason.

          • lebigyank

            manny is considered an out and out superstar an arod, barry bonds, pujols elite player, teixeira seems to always be underrated compared to these guys

            • http://guyfromBoston George Malits

              Remember, the Red Sox put Manny on irrevocable waivers before the 2004 season. Any team in baseball could have had him just by taking over his contract. There were no takers, he was over priced. Last year, he was 5 years older and 5 years crazier and Boras still got him the big contract. Manny is a great hitter but he’s also an indifferent fielder and a club house distraction. Getting THAT contract for that combination of talents was nothing short of a magic trick

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        ….then again, a trained kangaroo can do a good job with mega clients.

        • Lower Case j

          IETC

  • Gaug

    We r gonna miss Damons bat.

    • Salty Buggah

      Probably not

      • lebigyank

        +1

      • Steve H

        And we certainly won’t miss his D.

        • Tom Zig

          -12.1

          • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

            Jason Bay= -pi

      • OkulaFan67

        We will when Melky sucks it up! And I like Melky, just not as a starting left-fielder.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Do you like Melky as a starting centerfielder?

          (places bait in trap, goes and hides behind bushes)

        • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

          Brett Gardner will be an MVP candidate. Mark it down. Yep. Uh huh.

          • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

            First Shelley, then Brett. Exciting times in Scranton PA.

      • Gaug

        Really? U won’t miss 300 20+ hrs 370 obp? Pro ab’s. We will miss him

  • Salty Buggah

    Will he take a one year deal if no one else wants him? 1/7-8 wont be bad.

    • Salty Buggah

      But then again, the Yanks want a starter so even that much money will put them over their budget

      • Gaug

        And when have we had a firm budget?

    • OldYanksFan

      I like the idea. I’d even go 1/$8m

  • Dan

    The Yanks paid Johnny $52 million for four years employment as a leadoff hitter and centerfielder and for the most part it was a good deal for both sides. Johnny’s dramatically diminishing skills as a fielder and base stealer were offset by improved offense in 2009, but the signs of a player clearly on the downside are abundantly obvious.
    Johnny has always had a bit of an ego problem wondering as recently as last year why he is never mentioned among the elite players of the game. This ego plus Boras are clearly the reasons why he is no longer a Yankee. I wish him well but am extremely relieved that we will not see him strugling in leftfield any longer.

    • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

      Hmm…I don’t have any strong feelings toward Damon either way. I will agree with you that he was overpaid for his original contract with us considering his unbelievable defensive decline. His offense, while good, could never justify the sort of deal he’d be looking for.

      Still, I’m not “extremely relieved” not to see him struggling in LF—if he were there under the idea presented and struggling, it would be on a limited basis and he’d provide great flexibility. There’s definitely some value to that, but not for $13 (!) million. I’d be OK with $9 million, but no higher.

      (For the record, I haven’t wanted a part of Damon unless his asking price dropped GREATLY, which it now has but it appears we’re past the point of no return.)

    • OldYanksFan

      I blame Boris. Nobody was interested in 3 years. Did Boris see what Abreu got? What Cameron got? If JD was OK with 2/$20, Boris should have opened with 2/$26. The Yankes may have at least talked. When Boris said to “Don’t bother asking unless it’s 3/$39″, the Yanks simply went elsewhere and didn’t bother to negotiate.

      Boris made an egregious error and really screwed JD. JD was looking at padding his stats at YSIII and maybe a ring or 2. Instead, that’s gone, who knows where he will end up (the Mets???) and the rest of his career may be meaningless.

      Major, MAJOR screwup by Boris.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada
        • Evil Empire

          Unfortunately for Boris, Nick Johnson’s baseball representatives are Rocky and Bullwinkle.

          • TheLastClown

            IETC

            Jawney Demmon, forgit da Yankees, tonight we get Moose and Squirrel!

            • scooter

              “This plan was fool proof, yes! Idiot proof, no!”

      • Ed

        When Boris said to “Don’t bother asking unless it’s 3/$39?, the Yanks simply went elsewhere and didn’t bother to negotiate.

        That’s standard operating procedure for Boras. It works most of the time. Remember when he said the Yankees shouldn’t bother talking to A-Rod unless they were going to offer at least $350m ?

        Or 4 years ago when Damon wasn’t signing for less than 7 years?

        Or Tex for less than 10/$200m ?

        Or when it would take 10 years to sign Beltran?

        Every time, Boras sets the bar ridiculously high, and everyone laughs. Then when it all settles, he usually found his client a contract that’s less than what he asked for but more than everyone guessed at the start.

        Sometimes he even finds a sucker that falls for his demands completely, like with Zito.

        Can’t win every time though.

  • Michael Kay

    You’ve got one HELLUVA agent Johnny.

  • Bob Michaels

    Having Boras as your agent in this climate is counter productive

    • Gaug

      Tell Tex. Pudge too.

  • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

    I wouldn’t qualify Bay as “elite” but I suppose he’ll be valued close to that in this market, which, as you correctly pointed out, really adversely affects Damon’s status.

    I guess the question really is, who’s still looking for a LF?

    Cardinals, Mets, Giants. Other than that, slight possibilities for the Cubs, Yankees, White Sox (just because they’re fucking crazy), Red Sox. But those teams seem to be pretty content with their situations, as they should.

    Bay, Holliday, Damon? I see it as Bay to the Mets, Holliday to the Cards, Damon to the Giants (at a low rate, 2 years, $7 million per).

    • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

      I guess you could hoist the Cubbies to the need list now that Bradley is gone. Still, I see them going a cheaper route than those options. And good lord, could you imagine a defensive outfield of Damon, Soriano and FuckDome? High comedy.

      • Salty Buggah

        Nah, they said they need a CF. Doubt they’ll take those 3

        • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

          I mean Cubs for an OF spot, not necessarily LF, but yeah, they absolutely cannot roll out with an outfield I described. Posednick has been mentioned. Not sure that works but whatever, I don’t really care what the Cubs do.

          Point is Damon’s down to what appear to be three potential suitors and two of them have already been linked to the “elite” LF FAs. He may be knocked down WAY further than anyone expected (particularly him, but hey—that’s his own damn fault. They appear to have misread the market).

          • jim p

            I’m hoping the Mets (for the sake of a good friend, not so much the Mets) skip Bay, unless they plan to move the LF wall in about 60 feet, and pick up Damon for a two year deal. I think want Bay is reported to want is just way over- committing and -paying.

            • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

              Well, he’d get to stay in New York (and he’s expressed his desire to do so), play in an airport a new stadium, learn Spanish and live in Queens.

              But seriously, his defense is a genocide to the eyes, but so is Bay’s. His offensive production, particularly in a freakin’ Polo Grounds-type stadium will be meh. I don’t see it as a good fit but hey, if they can get him on a short deal and not commit big money, maybe it’s the best option for them. Damon doesn’t make them a vastly superior team, whereas Bay at least gives them something above average in that stadium.

              So…I’m torn. They should just promote the bat boy, save the money and hope for something better going forward. But it’s the Mets—they’ll give the job to Bobby Bonilla (he’s on the payroll ’til 2030 anyway).

      • Mike bk

        they are going after Byrd.

        • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

          For realz? Actually not a bad idea, assuming they don’t give him a big contract.

        • Evil Empire

          Byrd to the Cubs? That makes sense to me, good fit, so long as he doesn’t get overpaid.

          I’ve never been a fan of the guy though, I’m glad he apparently was never even a blip a on the Yankees’ radar

  • currambayankees

    do you think if comes crawling back at say 1yr at 6-7mil the Yanks will reconsider.

    • Jeff Levy

      I hope so. Damon doesn’t have many options left. I hope he comes to his senses and realizes the Yankees are his best choice. He would make the Yankees lineup even better.

      I can’t see why Damon would want to play for the Giants, they aren’t the best team out there.

      • Pasqua

        Which is exactly why the Giants might offer him more money (and maybe an extra year) in the end. Damon might be an upgrade for them. Not so much for the Yanks.

        • larryf

          So he can have an idiot hairstyle again to match Lincecum???

    • Tom Swift

      There’s also the value of making an example of him, so players negotiating contract renewals in the future realize that Cash is perfectly willing to look elsewhere if the player and his agent are looking at the economics in a way that is fundamentally inconsistent with the way that the Yankees are looking at the economics. I say save the money for Sheets.

      • Evil Empire

        Agreed.

        At this point, signing Sheets is the best thing the Yankees could do to help make the 2010 team better. If he’s healthy, he’d arguably contribute more value than even Matt Holliday would.

        • Camilo Gerardo

          you realize holliday replaces melk and sheets replaces hughes, right?

      • OldYanksFan

        1/$8m makes the same statement. The guy was asking for 3/$39. I’d say 1/$8m seriously humbles him.

        Thank God The Boss is no longer calling the shots!

  • Andy in Sunny Daytona

    Sign with the Natinals, Johnny D. Adam Dunn in right and you in left, would be pure comedy gold.

    • Salty Buggah

      But with Nyjer Morgan in CF, they wont need to catch much

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        He’s no Kelly Leak.

        • Steve H

          IETC. (high five yourself, again)

    • Mike bk

      dunn plays 1st for them now

      • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

        He’s a DH (baseball felt bad for the Nats and just said, “You know what? Fuck it. Let ‘em do it. No one would notice anyway”).

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          I think the Nats should be allowed to play with 11 men in the field on defense. And a 7 man batting order.

          It’s for the best.

          • larryf

            Dunn is our next Nats player after NJ’s one year..

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              I’m going to go out on a limb and say “no, he’s not”.

              I bet our 2010 DH is either Nick Johnson (on the exercised option year) or Jorge Posada.

              No room for Dunn.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                Whoops:

                I bet our 2010 2011 DH is either Nick Johnson (on the exercised option year) or Jorge Posada.

                No room for Dunn.

                • larryf

                  Hard to argue with TSJC but those “checkswing” and one handed HR’s to RF in YS111 and those full swing upper deck and bleacher crushers by Dunn would be things of beauty. I hope NJ is worthy of more years in the Bronx…I don’t want Posada in his last Yankee year as a DH-no room for sentiment (see Johnny HazMat)…

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  I don’t want Posada in his last Yankee year as a DH-no room for sentiment (see Johnny HazMat)…

                  Yes, but Posada as 2011 DH wouldn’t be similar to Matsui or Damon this year, because Posada’s already under contract; the position he currently plays he probably won’t play much or well next year due to age and the difficulty of the spot, and we have an elite catching prospect who may be ready.

                  Posada as DH 2011 would be like HazMat as DH for 2008-2009. He’s moving there to play out the end of his contract as a high-caliber DH, keeping his bat/body fresh and eliminating his defensive negatives.

                • larryf

                  Well then it appears our 2011 DH position is a done (not Dunn) deal. I hope we’ll still be happy and cheering Hip Hip Jorge….

              • Phil McCracken

                Its a mutual option, so the chances of it being exercised are pretty slim.

                If he overachieves, the Yankees would want to pick up the option, but Johnson would want to test free agency again since his value would be higher.

                If he underachieves, Johnson would want to pick up the option and the Yankees would want to decline the option and renegotiate a lower salary.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  What if he just “achieves”?

  • Hey ZZ

    Boras: My client does not deserve a pay-cut.

    Cash: Scott, he is 4 years older and when we originally signed him to play CF. Now he barely qualifies as a LF

    Boras: Damon is the Derek Jeter of the OF

    Cash:

    http://media.photobucket.com/i.....p_slap.jpg

  • crapula

    I think the bloom is off the Boras.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      Boras is going to have to add an extra “s” to the end of his name.

      DUCWIDT? baaahahahahaha. Classic Andy.

      • Steve H

        Did you just internet high five yourself?

        • Andy in Sunny Daytona

          I’m trying to build myself up to myself.

          • Steve H

            Tough standards to live up to.

            • Andy in Sunny Daytona

              Impossible. I’m my own worse critic and I’m never honest with myself.

  • Kyle

    Johny Bones should have taken Arod’s lead and dumped Boras when he had the chance. The sad part is that Boras will probably cry collusion given the stingent economic stance that owners have made thus far. I love it!

    • Phil McCracken

      ARod never dumped Boras.

      It was all a good cop/bad cop routine. Since ARod saw the backlash from the opt out and that nobody was stepping up to sign him, Boras had to be the fall guy. ARod made it public that he was mad at Boras and wasn’t talking to him, allowing him to go begging back to the Steinbrenners for his 300 million dollar contract. After he got off his hands and knees, Boras came in to construct the contract.

      If Alex had really fired Boras, he wouldn’t have let him come in and make his commission off the deal that he had worked on himself.

  • Steve H

    Boras certainly got in the way, and it’s not because he was looking out for Johnny, it’s because he’s looking out for Holliday. The bigger the deal Damon gets (hypothetically at this point), the bigger the deal Holliday gets. And Holliday’s will be bigger dollars and longer term, so that is certainly where Boras’ interest lies.

  • lebigyank

    peace damon, thanks for your work getting it in 09 but i am just about done being sentimental with baseball players, yall get your cash and see you round the bend if the yanks dont got enough for you

  • Tom Zig

    It’s almost like Boras doesn’t know the economy is in a “recession.” He has overplayed his hand multiple times in the past few years.

    • Steve H

      Yeah, though he doesn’t believe the recession affects the owners, and based on revenues he’s probably right. The owners are using it as a crutch.

      • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

        +1

        • Renny Baseball

          It is not that black and white, the recession on baseball, I believe. The recession only escalates the “haves” vs. “have not” chasm — both in terms of teams and as among the types of patronage of baseball tilting to the “have” teams (e.g., perks/higher pricing in new stadiums/merchandising/tv). If there were not a recession, more middle market teams would stand a better chance at being financially competitive.

          I would presume that it is because of the widening disparity between teams generating high revenues and teams that are not self-sufficient outside of revenue-sharing, the market for Boras’s “elite” or second-tier clients is a much more constricted universe of teams. Less choices means less wiggle room for Boras, thus less leverage (e.g., Boras’s infamous unidentified teams with lucrative offers become easier to identify or eliminate as bluffs). So that’s where Boras was negligent in gauging the market, in which the recession and team revenue trends are inter-related factors.

          I agree that Boras’s usual bombastic negotiating style (the ultimatums, the over-pricing) — which were always distasteful and crass to me but surprisingly have worked — finally back-fired with JD. If anything I am surprised that this has not happened sooner — it nearly did with A-Rod. (And yes, the good cop/bad cop thing in the A-Rod case was my exact view of it too).

          Also, to add, while a complete disservice to JD, it’s not like JD did not participate in Boras’s posturing too, a far cry from the last month of the season when it seemed like JD to ’10 Yanks was a done deal but I guess that was cheap talk.

    • jim p

      Boras’s record for the last 2-3 years would make an interesting post, if someone were up to it.

      • Gaug

        Revenues are at record highs. Don’t compare baseball to auto industry

  • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

    Feeling this way just a little bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ature=fvst

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      Are you laughing at me because I don’t know what “schadenfreude” means?

      • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

        Three words: “Alabama Hot Pocket.”

        • Andy in Sunny Daytona

          Are you kidding me? I’m from the South. Down here you’re still a virgin until you either do that(man) or have that done to you(girl).

          • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

            I still don’t get he fascination with grits (corn meal puree, right?), gravy and biscuits. And NASCAR? Why?!

            Sometimes I forget that this is a more typical “America” for most of the country than the one I am a part of. Just weird.

            And WTF snow?! I thought it didn’t snow down here. The one freakin’ time I leave the Northeast I get slush storms.

            • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

              Grits, if done right (not watery), are delicious. Biscuits and gravy? Heaven in a bad way. NASCAR? I live in Daytona Frigging Beach, and I hate nascar racing. It’s the most boring thing ever. Open wheeled racing I can tolerate, but stock cars, boring.

  • Stan Van Jeremy

    I apologize outfront if vulgarity isn’t condoned here…

    but this is bullshit.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      Condoned? It’s welcomed.*

      *Speaking for none of the RABbi’s

    • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

      Many vile things are said with great frequency here, though profanity is often remarkably tasteful considering some of the content mentioned; I think it’ll pass.

      In fact, I’m in North Carolina right now (regrettably) and on one of the shitty busses that occasionally work I heard a guy say to his friend, “Yeah, she had her period all over my back.” That’s not even too much to say around here.

      So…in closing, I think “bullshit” is non-traumatic term ’round these parts.

      • Evil Empire

        While RAB is indeed as lax as one could hope for those with a proclivity for vulgarity, I still find myself holding back sometimes. Some things you just can’t say in an open forum. In an effort to help me hold back, I’d appreciate it if no one ever mentions anything regarding Jemele Hill, for a variety of reasons.

  • Evil Empire

    Man, where the hell does Damon sign? Both monetarily and performance-wise, the Yankees were his best bet. He needed the Yankees more than they needed him, and I’ll go so far as to say that one year of Nick Johnson is a better option than JD for two, even if they were at the same AAV (which wasn’t the case, but just sayin’)

    There is still, in theory, room on the roster for Damon with the Yankees but it is really hard to imagine him coming back at this point, for a variety of reasons.

    As someone who is rooting for Damon to keep his career going strong because I’d like to see him get into the HOF (just ’cause), he’s in trouble, especially if he signs with San Francisco.

    • r.w.g.

      If he can really, really hook the ball straight down the line he might do okay in the Bay. But man right-center in SBC would eat his SLG alive.

      • Evil Empire

        Not to mention he’d have to play the field everyday or be relegated to pinch hit duties when he inevitably starts to get some aches and pains.

        The NL in general is just not the best idea for the guy, in terms of longevity and the ability to consistently produce.

    • Hey ZZ

      Aren’t the Giants looking to add power to their lineup?

      I really do not think you can classify Damon as a power hitter in that park.

      So, if you are going to sign a guy who can not play the OF, wouldn’t Jack Cust be a better option for the Giants?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Kansas City.

      Think about it. It works on so many levels. It’s just like a man getting hit in the groin with a football.

      • Evil Empire

        Hmm…I could actually see this happening. It even comes in with a built-in Boras bullshit explanation that Johnny wanted to go back to his roots and help his original team back to greatness or something silly of that nature.

        Plus, Dayton Moore is stupid. Surely that helps Damon’s out.

        The other team is The Cardinals … Damon could, in theory, make it work there. Unfortunately, that creates a bit of a conflict of interest for The Super Agent.

  • Reggie C.

    I hope it doesn’t dawn of Damon that had he been willing to go 2/20 a couple days earlier than he when he did, he might’ve gotten a “welcome-back” call from Cash.

    Now that its out that Damon’s willing to sign to 2/20, Boras is going to have a heck of a time limiting the damage. Damon’s probably gonna get more than 20 mm, but I like the chances Damon signs a 2 yr contract going forward.

    • Lower Case j

      I still feel like when the smoke clears, hell be back in our line up.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I still feel like when the smoke clears, he’ll be too prideful to come crawling back to us and well below market rates and instead go crawling off to someone else at well below market rates.

        Even if the contracts are identical. The embarrassment of taking a paycut is lessened if you’re doing it in a new city at a new job.

    • larryf

      Well Arod “sort of” crawled back to us so it’s possible. There is always the possibility that when NJ breaks his leg climbing up the dugout steps in Tampa we call Johnny who has yet to sign a contract- unable to come to grips with the fact that a man cannot support a wife and children on 5-7 million a year…

      • Tom Zig

        Different situation though.

        A) Hank isn’t running the show, so no more 10 year contracts out of the blue
        B) Damon isn’t nearly as good as A-rod is.
        C) The economic climate is way different.

      • Spaceman.Spiff

        Lol, he didn’t really crawl seeing as the contract he got was still enormous.

    • Steve

      Honestly, I don’t think there is or ever was a market for Damon at $20+ million. I don’t think there’s any chance that he gets either a 3-year deal, or a $10+ million average annual value. None.

  • TeamBoras

    I think this title is a little mean.

  • Bob Michaels

    Damon`s market value is dropping by the Snow flakes

  • JeffG

    “Dems the breaks” – Really? Damon did a lot to help us get the title last year. – Kind of cold if you ask me.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      No, that’s not what he meant.

      Mike was referring to the Democrats and their staggering inability to get a healthcare bill (or any other portion of their agenda) passed even though they have massive majorities in the House and Senate, the White House, and a sweeping public mandate from a blue-leaning national electorate. They have the numbers and the power to enact any of their desired policies wholecloth, but not the political will or parliamentary savvy.

      Mike was saying that the Democratic party is broken, i.e., “Dems the breaks”.

      Now, don’t reply to Mike’s political comment, or my lengthy explanation, because we don’t want to go off on a tangent.

      I mean it, don’t. Let’s just all pretend like this never happened.

      • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Glenn Beck Complex

        What did you say about Mormons?

      • thurdonpaul

        what, huh, is someone speaking ?

      • kenthadley

        tsjc….you are both educational and entertaining….a true renaissance man……

      • Gaug

        When has a democrat got anything done? Besides Clinton and interns of course

    • Chili Davis

      Agreed.

    • A.D.

      Is one suppose to be compassionate that Damon & Boras are demanding a contract that no team should sign him to?

      • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

        lol…

        Seriously though. If someone wants to get emotional about JD leaving, they should be mad that he decided to hold us hostage in a sense. Then, when he realized the market sucked and we were on the verge of signing a DH, he came crawling back with more reasonable demands. If he had started at 22 mil/2 yrs we probably would have negotiated some type of deal around that. Instead, he requested a deal that was preposterous. Now, he has to deal with that.

        As Mike said, Dems the breaks.

        • A.D.

          Exactly, I wish it had worked out with JD, and if he had offered up the 2/20 before the 11th hour of negotiations, he’d be back on the team

  • Joseph M

    The Yankees should sign him right now at 2/20. They can’t afford to lose both Matsui and Damon. The Matsui lose is going to be huge, I think they can sustain the lose if Damon is brought back. I think Granderson has peaked and his decline from here might be faster than any of us want to imagine. Nick Johnson has value to a middle of the pack team looking for a first baseman. As an offense player his name doesn’t belong in the same sentence as either Matsui or Damon. The Yankees should be able to deal Johnson for prospects so the team won’t have to eat the contract.

    • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

      This is Oaktaggeriffic.

    • kenthadley

      I think Cash feels the 2010 JD is going to be a major drop-off from the 2009 JD

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Virtually none of what you said in that block of text was correct.

      • Steve

        I concur. Also, there is a difference between “loss” and “lose.” Learn it. Live it. Love it.

    • Gaug

      And they would trade Johnson for prospects???

    • theyankeewarrior

      When you consider the budget that Cashman has to work with, 2010 Johnson and Granderson are probably the best options to replace 2009 Matsui and Damon in terms of total production(offense and defense)

      With that being said, it would be nice if they could fit Sheets and Damon into their budget (possibly bumping it up slightly) if Sheets could be had for 7+ and Damon settles for 1/8.

      /wishfulthinking

      • theyankeewarrior

        Jeter
        Damon
        Tex
        Alex
        Curtis
        Johnson
        Posada
        Swisher
        Cano

        CC,AJ,AP,BS,JC

        Mo, Philip, Robertson, Damaso, Ace, Chad, Sergio

        Cervelli
        Pena
        Melky
        Gardner/Hoffman/Miranda

        • theyankeewarrior

          Or just put Melk in left, slike the stick into the 2-hole and X-out only one of Hoffman and Miranda.

          Signing Damon protects the Yankees from major injury problems that they seem to always have.

          Even last year Nady and Wang went down in flames.Sheets would give the Yanks SP depth. But as of right now, their unber-strong lineup would take a big hit with jusy one guy going down.

          (basically me paraprasing one of yesterday’s posts)

        • mike c

          +28

    • YankFanDave

      I don’t know if they can’t afford to lose him but I’d take Damon at 20/2 over Johnson. His D is not an issue since he could play DH. He has more power, better run production, greater speed, and a better BA than Johnson; and his OBP is above average.

      • Steve

        I’m willing to bet, that if Johnny does indeed sign elsewhere, and IF Nick stays healthy, which is always the primary concern with Nick after all, Nick Johnson will out-homer Johnny Damon this season. Even if he doesn’t he could still be just as productive. Some people are seriously overstating Nick’s supposed lack of power.

        • YankFanDave

          I like Johnson but there is nothing supposed about his lack of power That is just not his game or skill set:
          Nick Johnson
          home run season high total: 23
          season over 20 hrs: 1
          seasons over 10 hrs: 4
          career season hr average: 11.1/season
          hr total last year: 8
          avg last three full seasons played: 15.3

          Johnny Damon
          home run season high total: 24
          seasons over 20 hrs: 2
          seasons over 10 hrs: 11
          career season average: 13.8/season
          hr total last year: 24

          Where is the power surge going to com from? I’m not knocking him, it is just a fact he has never had much power. Damon has shown decent, not spectacular, power in KC, Boston and NY. Johnson showed modest power at best as a Yankee and no more than that in Montreal, Washington and Florida.

          • YankFanDave

            Left this out:
            Damon’s avg hrs last three full seasons played: 17.6

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  • ecksodia

    If they signed him to that 2/20 deal, how much would the Yankees have had to spend on other players? I’m actually surprised they didn’t sign him, I thought they had around 7 million left to sign another SP.

    Although I would love having Damon’s bat in the lineup, the likelihood that his offense (not to mention his defense in the field) will regress, and that we have, at the very least, league average hitters and above average defenders in LF, suggests that it’s better if we use it all on starting pitching. But then if his price drops to 2/16, 2/14… Who knows?

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