Like most teams, Yanks have a number of injury risks

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Throughout the spring, Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus has run through his team health reports. Today he hits the Yankees (sub. required). There aren’t many surprises in the article, as I suppose is the case for fans of each team. We’re intimately familiar with the team, and that includes each player’s injury history. The reports seem better resources for teams of which you’re not a fan. But, in any case, we’ll have a look at what Carroll says about the Yankees.

Carroll notes that the Yankees have lost a lot of money to injured players over the past few years, but that’s to be expected. They spend more on players, so when those players get hurt they will lose more to their DL stints. Last year they were again among the league leaders in dollars lost to DL time, mainly because Alex Rodriguez missed a month, but also because Xavier Nady and Chien-Ming Wang missed almost the entire season. What would interest me is a breakdown of time lost to the DL as a percentage of overall payroll. That might make the Yankees look a bit better.

Even with the total dollars lost, the Yankees have done a good job keeping their best players on the field. A-Rod, minus some fatigue in June, remained healthy following his surgery. Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera, two of the team’s elder statesmen, avoided injury in 2009. Jorge Posada spent a couple weeks on the DL, though not related to his surgically repaired shoulder. That held up just fine. Also, other than Marte in the bullpen and Wang in the rotation, the pitching staff held up remarkably well. So, again, it appears that the Yankees lost more money to the DL than most teams last season because they just spent more on players.

Surprisingly, Carroll lists Joba Chamberlain as the Yankees’ big risk. Not Nick Johnson, not Posada, not even A.J Burnett. His explanation is that the Yankees devised the Joba Rules because they thought he wouldn’t have stayed healthy otherwise. I suppose, though, that the same could be said for any 23-year-old pitcher who maxed out at just over 100 innings previously in his career. That doesn’t take away from Joba’s risk this season, though.

In terms of the red-yellow-green rankings, there aren’t many head scratchers. Mariano Rivera in the red is strange, but Carroll explains the rating and further says that it likely won’t much matter. Nick Swisher rates a yellow even though he hasn’t hit the DL since 2005. He hasn’t missed more than two days with an injury, at least according to Baseball Injury Tool since 2007. Still, the strangest ranking is Phil Hughes as a red. It’s not that Hughes doesn’t present an injury risk — he did, after all, miss significant time in both 2007 and 2008. However, Carroll’s reasoning seemingly falls victim to the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy:

Hughes is in much the same boat as Chamberlain, but the difference is that Hughes has broken down under a starter’s workload even when not terribly taxed. As a reliever, he really seemed to find himself. For all the talk about Chamberlain being pushed to the pen, I have no idea why anyone would take Hughes out. As a starter, he’s very red. As a pure reliever, he’d be a very low yellow.

No, he didn’t break down as a reliever last year. Yes, he got hurt as a starter previously in his career. That doesn’t create causation, though. Young pitchers get hurt. It happens. Hughes also came up to the majors as a 20-year-old and might not have been physically ready for that type of workload. I can understand why he’s a risk, but again, I don’t think the reasoning is particularly sound.

Overall, the outlook for the Yankees in 2010 appears fair. The older players present injury risk, but other than Posada it doesn’t appear they’re more risky than any other group of veterans. Also, as Carroll notes, the Yanks do have some options if they lose certain players to the DL. Anything can happen with injuries, as we’ve seen over the past few years, but right now, on March 23, the Yankees are doing well. We have at least that to be thankful for.

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  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    It is scary, we were able to stay so healthy in 2009, sans Wanger. It really makes me wonder what 2010 has in store for us on the health front.

    Luckily, if any team can overcome injury-related adversity, it’s the Yankees.

    • pete

      sans wanger, a-rod, nady

      • Dirty Pena

        Marte, Damon, Posada, Molina

        • Dirty Pena

          Oh whoops, I misremembered that play where the ball sat on the wall as last year, not 2008. My b Johnny.

        • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

          Exactly how many games did you want Damon to play in?

          You guys are kind of nitpicking, we were a healthy team last year. Infield, starting outfield, starting pitchers, DH, all very healthy compared to most years/teams.

          • Dirty Pena

            Sorry, sorry. Like I said, I had the wrong year in mind for Damon.

            • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

              Word no problema, I added that before I saw the updated post.

          • pete

            i’d say we were on the healthy side of the spectrum, but it wasn’t as abnormally so as you make it seem. teams don’t typically lose more than one or two major contributors for major chunks of the year, they just get several minor injuries and/or lose a few smaller-role players as well. It’s not normal for a team to lose it’s best hitter or best pitcher for a whole year. It happens, but it’s pretty far from the norm.

            • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

              Eh, we lost a 3rd baseman for a month, a catcher for 20 games, and Nady for the year. Melky went down for 5 or so days after running into the wall. Swish, Johnny, Jetes, Robby, Teix, Matsui(not including knee drainage) and Melky were all healthy. Then Jorge and Al both were healthy for about 6 of 7 months, including post season. That stands out to me as pretty healthy. As for the starters, everyone other than Wang was healthy and productive. The pen did have a few issues, as expected every year.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                Eh, we lost a 3rd baseman for a month, a catcher for 20 games, and Nady for the year.

                … and our 4th starter for the year, and both of our top two Opening Day setup men for about 80-90% of the year.

                ARod, Posada, Nady, Wang, Marte, Bruney.

                • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

                  The first section of that post was only dealing with the offense. If you read on, you would have found;

                  As for the starters, everyone other than Wang was healthy and productive. The pen did have a few issues, as expected every year.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Eh, I’m emphasizing.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        And Marte, Bruney, Ransom, Gardner.

        • Dirty Pena

          Let’s not get crazy throwing Ransom in there. That was a good thing.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            Ransom’s injury lead to more PT for Angel Berroa. I wouldn’t call that “a good thing:

            • Dirty Pena

              Based on Girardi’s love affair with Ransom, I’m willing to take 2 weeks of Berroa getting ABs over Ransom being on the roster all year.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                I constantly hear/read people talking about “Girardi’s love affair with (insert player who I hate here)”.

                I don’t see it. You know what Girardi loves? He loves to give all the players on his roster a chance to either contribute or prove that their worthless and get DFA’d. He played Ransom because Ransom was what he had, and he was either going to help the team or he was going to play his way out of a job and clear a spot for someone else.

                That’s not “falling in love”, that’s managing.

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  You know who used to fall in love with players?

                  Torre, that’s who. As we’ve discussed ad infinitum, he permanently burned out almost half-a-dozen bullpen arms. He was the cause of the “Joba Rules”; Cashman knew he couldn’t be trusted not to trash Joba’s arm. (aside: if Torre realized what Cash was doing, how humiliated he would have been!)

                  He also kept inserting utility players that couldn’t hit, and veterans past their sell-by date, over younger (“unproven” in his mind), more productive players.

                  I think people who accuse Girardi of this just aren’t used to a manager who, as TSJC said, uses his whole roster enough to keep everyone in shape, but not overused.

                  Meet the New Boss. Different from the Old Boss.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  I think people who accuse Girardi of this just aren’t used to a manager who, as TSJC said, uses his whole roster enough to keep everyone in shape, but not overused.

                  Yup.

                  I’ve held positions in management, overseeing a staff as big as 200. All our supervisors were instructed to do the same thing:

                  “Manage them up or manage them out”.

                  Give EVERYONE opportunities to either succeed or fail. It allows you to promote and grow the talented people who do well, and fire/demote/marginalize the untalented/disinterested ones who fail.

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  Yup.

                  Along with “hire great people, then get out of their way”.

                • Dirty Pena

                  I don’t normally say this about Girardi, but honestly Pena had proven himself a worthy backup by the time Ransom was healthy, Ransom had sucked ass in April, and yet we sent down Pena when we should’ve just kept Ransom down.

                • Dirty Pena

                  It’s a pretty tiny issue so I’m not really going to sit here and bash Girardi about it. Cody Ransom sucks. That is all.

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  I have to admit there was wailing and gnashing of teeth in my apartment over Girardi’s continued use of Ransom when Peña was clearly better…

                  I guess having an awesome bus-accident-survivor story >>> actually hitting.

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        Well A-Rod missed a month rehabbing and was, under the circumstances, healthy for more than the majority of 2009.

        I did kind of discount Nady, forgetting he won the job out of ST.

        • pete

          Nady would have been an ideal bench player last year, though, and that month of A-Rod meant about 1.5 fewer wins for the club, not even including whatever effect he may have had on Tex. Also, while he walked a ton and managed to keep his OBP solid, he was not quite up to his normal level as a hitter till july, and not as a fielder pretty much all season.

  • http://www.soxandpinstripes.com JGS

    What would interest me is a breakdown of time lost to the DL as a percentage of overall payroll. That might make the Yankees look a bit better.

    Beyond the Boxscore did this about a month ago–here is the spreadsheet of every team going back to 2002 with salary lost, total salary, percentage of total salary lost, total DL trips, and days on the DL

    https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdG1VYjE4WmZheS0td1ZqeXBaZkxiVnc&hl=en

    • bexarama

      404 error

      Also, I feel like if someone did this for 2009, they should simply take out the Mets entirely because that’s just unfair.

      • http://www.soxandpinstripes.com JGS

        hmm…it works for me

        well, here is the BtB post, they have a link to that same spreadsheet in there

        http://www.beyondtheboxscore.c.....nd-year-to

        The 09 Mets are surprisingly enough in 7th on that list, and geez the White Sox are doing something right

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        Worked for me.

    • Thomas

      Yeah, in fact Ben linked that article about a month back when we learned about Gene Monohan’s health problems.

      http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....lub-24236/

  • KyleLitke

    Why would anyone even begin to think he broke down under a starters workload? His first season he got hurt in his second major league start of the year. And then he got hurt after not even having thrown that many innings the year before and not having thrown a lot that year. I don’t even understand where someone would begin to make the connection that he can’t hold up a starters workload.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      nods in agreement

    • Tom Zig

      Way to ruin the narrative.

      • Thomas

        At the end of Pretty Woman, Richard Gere gets Julia Roberts.

        Whoops, did I just ruin another story for you?

        • Andy in Sunny Daytona

          Bruce Willis was a ghost the entire time!!!!!!11111

          /obligatory’d

          • Tom Zig

            IEBTC

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            Jesus dies at the end of The Passion Of The Christ.

            • Thomas

              Ha.

              I was actually going to do Jesus dies at the end of the Bible, but then I remembered the Bible doesn’t actually end with His death, but with THE APOCALYPSE.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size
                • Thomas

                  Here’s your pic:

                  http://tinyurl.com/57ytzq (safe)

                  and if that isn’t the coming of the apocalypse, I don’t know what is.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  I sets ‘em up, you knocks ‘em down.

    • A.D.

      Yup, pretty much no reason to assume workload had anything to do with any of Hughes’ injuries.

  • Zack

    Dont know how they can’t put NJ (history) or Posada (age + position) as the greatest risk on the team.

  • Bo

    You have to put NJ or Posada as the biggest risks.

    A set up man like Joba isnt. Either is a 5th starter in Hughes.

    • pete

      heh

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      A set up man like Joba isnt. Either is a 5th starter in Hughes.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/neither

      • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

        Trying to actually parse that “sentence” as written is tying my thought processes in knots.

        I’m going to stop. My brain hurts.

    • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

      ICWUDTYNFM

      (mouse-over for explanation)

      • bexarama

        haha i was going to type something like this but then O:S so…

        • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

          I couldn’t help myself.

          And I’ve never yet replied to a SBLGLBGLBGLBL post, so I figured I was owed some latitude.

          And besides, Pete answered first!! Yeah, yeah, that’s it! And Tommie too!

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            Look to the bracelet!

            • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

              This comment

              ————

              My head

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                https://reminderband.com/order/index.php

                We can get 100 LiveStrong-esque bracelets for only 75 cents each.

                I want a bracelet that says “W.W.D.B.D.?” Because whenever I’m at a mental/emotional crossroads and I’m not sure of what to do, I try and live by the shining guidelines of Derek Bell.

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  Right, I should’ve remembered that. I was here for that.

                  I just missed the connection.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  We metablog and hyperportmanteau.

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  Hmmmm. What color should the bracelets be?

                  Perhaps…brown? As in…

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  I was thinking black and yellow. Pirates colors.

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  OK, that’s another direction. I was thinking more of the color of a big stinking pile of sh…
                  [sings]

                  ..shaving cream/ be nice and clean
                  Shave every day and you’ll always look keen!

      • Tom Zig

        Bo Bice fools no one.

        • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

          Bo-nanna-fanna-fo-fanna?

          /dated myself’d

      • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

        IETTAIWIKHTDIAW

        (I enjoy this tactic and I wish I knew how to do it as well)

        • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

          Dude, you gotta get with the abbr or acronym tag.

          It’s easy; just put the full spelling into the title attribute, like this:

          <abbr title=”Get More T & A”>GMTA</abbr>

          See? GMTA

          • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

            O:S

            me likee.

            • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

              fail.

              second try:

              O:S

              winnar!

              • http://www.soxandpinstripes.com JGS

                STQNBIT?

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  Technically, they shouldn’t. But, seeing as it’s his first offense…

                • Dirty Pena

                  IJTTO

                • Dirty Pena

                  Dammit.

                  IJTTO

                  Why won’t it let me space?

                • Dirty Pena

                  Or even show up? Sigh.

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  Looks like you left out the

                  title=”The text to show up”

                  part, inside the bracket after “abbr”.

                • Dirty Pena

                  TT

                • Dirty Pena

                  Ah, left out the quotes.

                  TYVMS

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  You are welcome! :-)

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            Wait, how did you actually get the HTML carat characters to show up?

            Everytime I type a “” WordPress just ignores them (which it’s probably going to do now)…

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

              Yup.

              “>” seems to work. The opposite? No.

              • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                You gotta use the character entities:

                &lt; for <

                and

                &gt; for >

                Again:

                HTML Wizards FTW!

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Okay, so, let’s see:

                  &lt; test &gt;

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Fail.

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  Don’t type the entity for the ampersand. Actually type it, as in, press & hold shift then press the 7 key.

                  Then type the letters “l” then “t”, then type a semi-colon.

                  Keep trying, you’ll get it!

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  If you do it right, it shows up in the Preview.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  &lt: &gt:

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Shows up right in the preview… doesn’t post right.

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  Hmmm…maybe it’s a Mac thing?

                  Gawddamm Comuniss technawlogy!

                  Try the numeric equivalents:

                  < = <

                  > = >

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  Ouch! Now I got bitten!!

                  that should be:

                  ampersand-hash sign-6-0-;

                  and

                  ampersand-hash sign-6-2-;

                  Replace the ampersand & hash with their actual equivs: shift-7 and shift-3. And don’t put the dashes “-” in, obviously.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Ah, the hashtag pound! You left that out before. Let’s try:

                  &#60 and &#62

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  (hangs head)

                  < and >

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  THERE IT IS

                  <joyed>YES</joyed>

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  Whew!!

                  Thought we were gonna have to hand you a whole case of Pinstripe DFA IPA!

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  For the record, when you do it the first way, with lt and gt, you don’t use the #.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Gracias.

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  De nada, Mr. Overly-Large Member.

                  (From one to another)

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  (nods)

                • pete

                  wow to all of this. now i know how sportswriters feel when they think about advanced stats

  • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

    FWIW, I have Joba as an injury risk in 2010 as well.

    /not divulging proprietary secrets
    //also not drafting joba in any fantasy leagues
    /// :(

    • Dirty Pena

      I have some fantasy advice for those in the RAB leagues as well:

      Ryan Braun: .240, 9 HR, 38 RBI
      Tim Lincecum: 5-17, 6.45 ERA, 1.78 WHIP
      Boof Bonser (per PeteAbe): 20-3, 0.98 ERA, 0.45 WHIP

      • http://www.soxandpinstripes.com JGS

        Boof Bonser: Long reliever candidate had a big setback Monday when he was tattooed by the Rays and then reported pain in his right groin. He is out of options but the Sox could stash him on the DL.

        -PeteAbe, like three hours ago

        • bexarama

          “The move for Boof was no goof” -PeteAbe, after like one decent ST start for him

          • Dirty Pena

            Yeah I was referring to shit like that. Dude has a serious crush on Boof Bonser. I guess cause they both have the goatee sloping down the double chin thing going on.

    • Accent Shallow

      What, are you his doctor? Or employed by the Yankees?

      • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

        ooh a logicFAIL. i love spotting one in the wild.

        • Accent Shallow

          Oh, great. One of those.

          Look, you can talk out of your ass all you want, but unless you’re going to provide something substantive, you’re worse than Will Carroll.

          • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

            /sigh

            I have Chamberlain pegged for an injury risk in 2010. If you don’t like that, and you want to pick a fight with me, then I suggest you…don’t. Because I don’t care if you’re offended by it. And I will proceed to ignore.

            • Accent Shallow

              There’s a difference between “I think Joba is at an injury risk in 2010 because that’s my opinion”, and “I have a reason to think (inside scoop from a doctor, biomechanics info, proprietary injury risk analysis system) that Joba is an injury risk.”

              One is your opinion and that’s fine, we can respect/ignore that depending. The other is based on solid data and how you interpret that data, which may be accurate or inaccurate. I’m just saying there’s a significant difference between the two.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        /not divulging proprietary secrets

        (waves hands)

        These aren’t the droids you’re looking for. We can go about our business.

        Move along.

        • http://www.progressamericana.com/ Pablo Zevallos

          -Move along! Move along!

  • Accent Shallow

    So I can continue to ignore Will Carroll and not miss anything? Good.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

      Full steam ahead.

      • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

        If you two ignore Carroll, and BP at large, then you’re going to miss…

        all the times they post an article about a topic that has been covered ad nauseum in the SABR world and then pretend like they were first to the party.

        OK…full steam ahead.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          Meh, I’m not a huge fan of BP but they’ve been very influential to sabermetrics. I also like Funck and Hoffman quite a bit.

          That said, not impressed with Carroll or Goldstein.

          • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

            I love to…

            Oh, you said “Funck“. Nevermind…

            Move along, nothing to see here.

            These aren’t the droids you’re looking for…

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          I like their new hires. Tommy, Swartz, and Carleton are worth a read.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            That schmuck Joe at ESPN’s TMI Blog is a real moron, though. Writes like an idiot, smells like a diaper full of Indian food.

          • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

            Yeah, I shouldn’t have included BP at large. I was more referring to Carroll’s embarrassing “Leading the Discussion” article and his dismissal of Tango.

            • pete

              dismissing tango is always dumb. i’m not sure if he’s ever lost a public argument