Open Thread: Back to the Stone Age

Yankees release Malec, eight others
Gooden charged with DUI in New Jersey

The Yankees are playing the Nationals tonight, but the game isn’t televised so we’re stuck in the dark. This reminds me of the days when watching Spring Training games on TV was nothing more than a pipe dream. Pretty crazy how far we’ve come. In case you’re wondering, Javy Vazquez is on the bump, and Joe Girardi is trotting the A+ lineup out there. I like the looks of that.

If you’re watching on MLB.tv, then go ahead and talk about the game here. If not, then use this sucker as an open thread. The Rangers play the Islanders in a game that means nothing since both teams have been all but eliminated from playoff contention, and then you’ve got the 7-63 Nets on YES. Enjoy the thread.

Photo Credit: Gene J. Puskar, AP

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Yankees release Malec, eight others
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  • Jose

    Anyone found any good bridges to jump off after the unconfirmed reports on Hughes? I’m panicking here; I can never trust the front office ever again. We need Big George back, he would set everything straight.

  • Riddering

    “Ellsbury’s talents appears to be without limits” according the MLB.com’s front page.

    That’s nice, dears.

    • Riddering

      *Talent not talents.

      • Dirty Pena

        In his case, it’s talents. Grammar need not apply.

        • bexarama

          grammar is afraid of Godcoby

    • bexarama

      I liked when they had “Lester and Pedroia put on a show” when the Sox were in the midst of absolutely creaming the Astros, and then Papelbon gave up a bazillion runs in less than an inning and they took that down in a hurry and had nothing about “Astros backups are teh awesome.”

  • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

    I missed the Hughes thread so I’ll post my thoughts here. I honestly don’t know what to make of it. Sherman’s got his sources sure but there wasn’t any concrete evidence in that article. No quotes from anyone.

    Every media person has been saying this since ST began. So I’m hoping it’s just another assumption.

    If this is true then I lost some faith in the FO right now. But nothing’s confirmed so we’ll wait and see.

    • Dirty Pena

      I missed the Hughes thread

      Lucky you. Stay far far away. But I agree, until a legit reporter as opposed to noted rumor monger Alfred E. Neuman reports this, I’m holding my breath

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      Fun fact:

      Joel Sherman wrote 680 words about the fifth starter competition. The only mention of Joba came 427 words into the article, when he said (after his “That screams Hughes in the rotation coup-de-grace):

      That puts Joba Chamberlain into the eighth inning,

      That’s it. That one single eight-word half-sentence. That’s the totality of the Joba Chamberlain discussion in the entire piece.

      He mentioned “Mitre” 8 times and “Aceves” 10 times. I’m not making that up. He also said:

      The Yanks saw positives out of likely Triple-A rotation members Ivan Nova, Romulo Sanchez, Dustin Moseley and Jason Hirsh, but would turn first to Aceves or Mitre should there be a rotation injury or stumble.

      What does all this mean? It means that Joel Sherman is an idiot.

      You can’t write a 680 word article about the 5th starter competition and make Joba Chamberlain a total afterthought and non-entity. Even if he IS a total afterthought and non-entity, it’s your job as a reporter to outline HOW and WHY he’s an afterthought and non-entity, because he SHOULDN’T be a total afterthought and non-entity.

      • bexarama

        I also found something from his Twitter where he thought Albaladejo would get DFAd because the Yankee brass loved Edwar’s change-up. So… dude’s not always right.

        Too bad because I loooove Birth of a Dynasty and now I’m gonna associate him with this whole thing. Urgh.

        • Riddering

          He’s good at writing the story of a ballclub long since past. Just not so much at analyzing the present and future of a ballclub today.

  • Dirty Pena

    How do you know the Nationals suck? Willy Tavares is the front runner to start for them in LF!

  • bexarama

    That Hughes/Sherman post and the comments… man, I gotta say, it made me like borderline depressed. Like, I was eating dinner, and I was like, “I kind of want to stab myself in the hand with this fork* and/or not care about the Yankees so much.”

    If Hughes gets named the fifth starter whenever they announce it, I’m gonna be flat-out upset over it. It seems so silly to say I’ll be really upset over a talented, young first-round pick going into the rotation, but I will be. It made me upset about stuff that happened last year – a year when we won the World Series and dominated baseball pretty thoroughly. And it made me worried that resigning my all-time favorite Yankee for one more year might be a move that ruins the Yankees for years to come.

    So… someone should post pictures of kittens and puppies or something and convince me things aren’t awful.

    * not seriously.

    • Jose

      Bexarama, I promise everything will be okay. This is the most storied franchise in history. Some of the greatest players have played here. They come and go with time. The one thing that is constant is the winning tradition. No matter what decisions are made that may cause second guessing, in the end they will continue that tradition. 27 World Championships and they will never be stopped. Don’t ever forget that.

    • Dirty Pena
    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      “If Hughes gets named the fifth starter Joba gets sent to the bullpen whenever they announce it, I’m gonna be flat-out upset over it.”

      Fixed. Important distinction. There’s nothing wrong with Phil getting the 5th starter spot if Joba is sent to Scranton. It’s only a problem if Joba is sent to the bullpen.

      • bexarama

        yeppers. I just… sigh =/

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      someone should post pictures of kittens and puppies or something and convince me things aren’t awful.

      http://ihasahotdog.files.wordp.....pirate.jpg (safe)

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size
        • Jose
          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            IT’S A TRAP!!!!!!

            /AdmiralAkbar’d

          • bexarama

            I HATE YOU (cries)

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

              See? That’s why I don’t trust Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Mexicans, or Venezuelans.

              Whatever the hell Jose is.

              • Jose
                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  TOO LATE, YOU LAZY SHIFTLESS BEAN-EATING, JOB-STEALING BASTARD!

                • Jose

                  You communist fat bastards are now paying for my health care even though I’m an illegal immigrant who steals jobs. (Shovels face full of Taco Bell)

                  P.S. I’m lazy and do the jobs I steal poorly.

                • andrew

                  IETC

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  I do find it hilariously ironic that Latinos are all lazy bastards who don’t work hard, and yet they take all the jobs (that require honest, hard work) away from all the good, clean, honest, hardworking ‘Mericans.

                  Cognitive dissonance FTL.

                • bexarama

                  Jose, congratulations. Your comment has now made me feel better, along with the various puppies, Livan Hernandezes, and Youkilis getting owned. (giggle)

                  Also, “drfat”

                • Ivan

                  I thought Black people were considered lazy.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Oh, we are. We’re just like Latinos, except we like chicken more.

                • Ivan

                  And Watermelons. Can’t forget about Watermelons.

                • Jose
            • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

              Bexy, Bexy, Bexy…
              (sigh)

              What did I tell you about reading all those articles, and the comments especially?

              Here, have one of these, it’ll make you feel better:

              http://blog.mlive.com/tigers_i.....restle.JPG (safe)

              • bexarama

                I don’t want a Youkilis!!!

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  But that’s right before he got bitch-tossed by Porcello!

                  I thought you’d laugh!

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC
    • Riddering

      http://www.flickr.com/photos/2.....419120179/

      If it happens, it will be foolish and maddening. We’ll all be butthurt for a while. But we’ll have to get over it, maybe write a few strongly worded letters, and hope for the best.

      • bexarama

        omg that’s adorable :3

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/.....id=5023906

    Eagles are going to deal one, possibly two of their three starting-caliber quarterbacks.

    My prediction: McNabb to the 49ers for a 2nd rounder (#49) and a 4th rounder (#113), possibly also a swap of 3rd rounders (an 8-pick swing from #87 to #79). Vick to the Bills for a 5th rounder.

    They roll with Kolb for 2010 and draft a developmental QB on day three (like, say, Jarrett Brown from WVU).

    • Billy Shears

      “Eagles are going to deal one, possibly two of their three starting-caliber quarterbacks.”

      You’re not counting Vick are you? That is laughable.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        Michael Vick is a starting caliber QB. You and I may not agree with it, but it’s true. There’s 32 starting QB’s in the league right now, and there’s not 32 QB’s in the league better than Vick.

        If the Eagles trade Vick to the Bills, you don’t think he could beat out Trent Edwards and Brian Brohm? Absolutely he could. If they trade him to the Rams, he wouldn’t beat out Keith Null and babysit the position for a year until Sam Bradford was ready? Absolutely he would.

    • Accent Shallow

      I really really want Kevin Kolb to fail, since McNabb is a lot like Burrell/Abreu: a good player who was never embraced by the worst fans in sports.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        It’s interesting that three of the best and most passionate sports towns in the country (Boston, New York, and Philadelphia) are all so thoroughly full of ignorant morons who don’t appreciate the good players they have and constantly boversimplify and boverreact.

        • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

          “Passion” often = bo_________ (fill in blank)

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    Rangers please tank already, you are not that far from getting a possible top 3 pick in the draft. Please at least try to draft Tyler Seguin if you can.

  • Salty Buggah

    Javy Vazquez = K Machine

    • Dr. Van Nostrand

      Ya seriously. 4 K’s in 2 innings. Though this is the Nats…

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        Is it the Nats regulars? Washington’s lineup is actually pretty solid. It’s their pitching that’s crappy.

        Zimmerman-Dunn-Willingham-Pudge-Guzman-Desmond-Morgan is a solid offensive (and defensive) core.

        • bexarama

          Roger Bernadina LF
          Christian Guzman SS
          Willie Harris 3B
          Josh Whitesell 1B
          Justin Maxwell CF
          Adam Kennedy 2B
          Ian Desmond DH
          Wil Nieves C
          Willy Tavaras RF

          So, no. Are these guys mostly prospects? I recognize some names but not all, but the Nats aren’t really a team I follow.

          • Dirty Pena

            Most of those guys have a very good chance to make the team (except Bernardina)

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            Yech. Not so much.

            Bernadina, Harris, Taveras, and Kennedy are basically solid backups but nothing more. Nieves is a black hole of offensive suckitude whom I assume you already have some familiarity with. Whitesell and Maxwell are decent kids but still a year or two away.

            Guzman’s the only legit MLB bat in their lineup tonight. Jazzy drew the easy straw.

            • bexarama

              Nieves is a black hole of offensive suckitude whom I assume you already have some familiarity with.

              Nieves was on the Yankees for three years and he posted an OPS of .362. Ewwwwww

            • Dirty Pena

              Maxwell, I’m pretty sure, is Tavares’ main competition for LF.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                Yeah, I could see that. It’s a three-man race between the two of them and Bernardina.

        • CS Yankee

          No…only Guzman & Desmond along with Nieves, Tavaras and the other scrubs.

        • WIlliam

          Pudge is not an offensive contributor at all.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            Meh, he’s a catcher. An OPS+ of 80 from a catcher is actually pretty good, all things considered. Nieves gives you an OPS+ of 40.

          • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

            Heh. I find Pudge very offensive.

            Like every time someone claims he was a better hitter than Posada back in the day– and I remember how “Pudge” became “Skinny” right after they started testing for steroids. That offends me.

            • Poopy Pants

              He ‘stopped eating junk food’!!!

              haha

    • Jose

      He had 2,001 Ks from 2000-2009. Only second to Randy Johnson I believe(who had 2,176).

  • Do Not Feed The Trolls!

    If they do relegate Joba to the pen for the rest of his career. I hope he doesn’t resign with the Yanks(when he hits FA) and dominates as a starter on another team.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      If they relegate him, it’s Righetti part two.

      • Accent Shallow

        Slightly disagree — Joba doesn’t have Righetti’s track record.

        It’s a mistake of the same or greater magnitude, though.

    • Zack

      If they send him there he’s going to lose a shit load in arbitation.

      Instead of being a starter, he’s going to be a reliever gaining 5 saves max a year over the next 3 years. (Assuming he’d lose if his agent went in trying to compare him to Papelbon if he isnt bringing in 35+ saves)

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=5025391

    If I was a musician, I’d be Kanye West. If I was in the NBA, I’d be Ron Artest. In baseball, they’ve got Milton Bradley. I’m that guy. You need people like me, so you can point your finger and go, “There goes the bad guy.”

    Sincerely,
    Alpa Chino Milton Bradley

    • Riddering

      Oh my god, we *created* the monster!

      /blown away

    • Mike HC

      Wow. Is this guy delusional or what. He isn’t even as good as the head cases he names in game or attitude. I would take Kanye West crazy and Artest crazy over Milton Bradley crazy any day, not even considering talent level.

    • Hughesus Christo

      “What you lookin’ at? You all a bunch of ——‘ assholes. You know why? You don’t have the guts to be what you wanna be? You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your ——‘ fingers and say, “That’s the bad guy.” So… what that make you? Good? You’re not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don’t have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Come on. Make way for the bad guy. There’s a bad guy comin’ through! Better get outta his way!”

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        (cracks open a cold, tasty “Booty Sweat” energy drink)

  • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

    Does everyone know about the Dwight Gooden arrest thing? I’ve been away from my computer all day…

    • bexarama

      He got arrested for, IIRC, driving with cocaine in his system and a minor in the car. =/

    • http://yanksgoyard.com Andy_C_23

      Dwight Gooden arrested? Color me surprised!

    • Jose

      There is a link on it in “Off-topic”. Apparently the story was originally titled “Yankees Ace ‘Doc’ Gooden Reportedly Busted for DWI With Child in Car”. No joke.

      • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

        Right, I tipped the RABboys earlier in the day (probably one of many who did), but didn’t see the post.

        Thanks.

        • Jose

          Emphasis: Yankees Ace

          When was he that?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            http://image34.webshots.com/34.....mEb_ph.jpg (safe)

            Look how much higher he is* than everyone else! If that’s not an ace, I don’t know what one is.

            *Pun intended.

            • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

              It no let me looky at pitchur.

              sez “Forbidden”.

              • bexarama

                me too, but I assume it’s him being hoisted on the shoulders of everyone after his no-hitter

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  That.

  • Hughesus Christo

    I can’t help myself. 10 Teams. 10 Cats. H2H:

    C- Mauer
    1B – AGon
    2B – Zobrist
    SS – Rollins
    3B – Beckham
    2B/SS – Escobar
    1B/3B – I. Stewart
    OF – CGrand
    OF – McCutchen
    OF – Manny
    OF – Fowler
    OF – Blanks
    BN – S. Rodriguez
    P – Doc
    P – Ubaldo
    P – Kershaw
    P – Peavy
    P – Harden
    P – Hudson
    P – Hughes
    P – Rauch
    P – M. Gonzalez
    P – Capps
    P – Lidge

    OF sucks, drafted a bunch of crappy RPs right at the end. Two of those Ps are bench spots. Bash away.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Your SPs are beyond solid.

    • Dirty Pena

      Far and away the worst fantasy team I’ve ever seen!!

  • bexarama

    Oh my God Livan Hernandez is pitching for the Nats???? (I don’t have MLB.tv) That makes me feel slightly better because it is hilarious.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      16 years from now, when Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain are finishing up their brilliant, HoF worthy Yankee careers as starting pitchers, they’re going to get their final career regular season victories in a meaningless September playoff tuneup series against the last-place Oakland Athletics team. The losing pitchers of those two games will be Livan Hernandez and Jamie Moyer.

      • Jose

        Mariano Rivera will have saves in both games.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          Angel Berroa will K for the final out both nights.

          • Dirty Pena

            /PeteAbe’d

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

              The Athletics manager, playing out the string and blithely collecting a paycheck?

              Joe Torre.

              • Dirty Pena

                The guy who wouldn’t give me an interview and is therefore a huge asshole?

                Half the team.

              • bexarama

                After The Dodger Years, The Brewers Years, The Nationals Years, The Avalanche Years (they get another baseball team in Canada in 2016, BTW.)…

  • Shane D

    Sitting front row in the party deck fellas. I’ll throw one back for everybody

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

      I’m not sure that I want to be friends with “party deck fellas,” although I admit I’m curious to find out what it is.

  • Jose

    Javy facing the minimum 12 batters through 4. Me likey.

  • Salty Buggah

    Hey guys, I posted a homework question in the off-topic thread for my Business Law and Ethics class. I would appreciate any help as I am completely uninformed about legal stuff/HTC.

    http://riveraveblues.com/off-t.....ent-811948

    • Renny Baseball

      The answer begins with the Commerce Clause of the Constitution.

      I agree with the poster who posted this link, there is stuff in the bottom of the article that is helpful to your argument that you can use:

      http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi.....reform.php

      Also, use logic/reasoning as to why requiring people buy insurance rather than letting them get buy without it would be a burden on interstate commerce.

  • Meat Loaf

    I know it was late last night, but can we make sure people like http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ent-810882 get a ban? It touched a nerve.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      True. It’s not like “Elwood” posted either before or after that one-off, though, so he kinda banned himself.

      Whatevs.

      • Meat Loaf

        Ah, the name sounded familiar.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    So my car broke down on my way to class earlier. Sigh.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

      Buy a Toyota. Seriously. Now is the best time to get one and the chance of it being all fucked up is tiny.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        Cosign. Buy low, sell high. Be on the leading edge.

      • billbybob

        Yeah, I was seriously considering getting a Prius. Maybe if I request the phantom accelerating gas pedal model I will get a discount.

        • Tom Zig

          IETC

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        I don’t think it’s totally dead, which is good, but I’ll have to use my mother’s car for the next few days.

  • billbybob

    How do I get on an Obama death panel?

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

      When I found out there really weren’t death panels I was legitimately disappointed. What a coddled group with a strange sense of entitlement (especially considering their limited contributions) those elderly have. I’d volunteer my granny to be offed.

      • Accent Shallow

        This might be my favorite Onion article.

        • Accent Shallow

          (And yes, it’s topical!)

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          Ha. Yeah, I remember that one (I have all the books). I (half-heartedly) worry that I’m legitimately an ageist.

  • Hey ZZ

    Ya know what is the worst part of the whole Joba is probably going to the bullpen thing:

    If Joba starts in AAA and comes up when a starter inevitably gets hurt or even if Joba comes up for a few spot starts when a minor injury happens and stays stretched out in the bullpen for the next minor injury, will have more value to the Yankees over the course of the season than pitching in the 8th inning for the whole season.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      You’re probably right.

      Whomever our designated 6th starter is on Opening Day will in all likelihood pitch at least 80 innings in the bigs this year, probably much more. These things happen every year like clockwork.

      The 6th starter (even spending part of the year in AAA) >>>>>>> the 8th inning guy

      • Hey ZZ

        Rotations are not 5 men deep anymore. It is simply not the reality. No team gets through the season with 5 starters. You have to be at the very least 6 men deep. If Cashman is not planning to use 6-7 starters this year he is not planning accordingly.

        And, if the Rays have a bounce back year and are the 90+ win team they should be, starts from Sergio Mitre or Zach McAllister is simply not going to cut it and could cost the Yankees the division.

        Not to mention what none of the Hughes lovers are addressing is, what if he is ineffective or pitching poorly come the ASB. Everyone was sure Joba would be good in the rotation last year, but there was a time last year he probably should have been sent down to AAA. Even if Hughes is effective in the beginning, what if he fatigues at 110, 120, 130 innings. The guy’s innings high is from 4 years ago. He could very easily tire early in the season. You have Hughes like that and an injury and suddenly you have Mitre and someone like McAllister in the rotation trying to get into the playoffs.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          Not to mention what none of the Hughes lovers are addressing is, what if he is ineffective or pitching poorly come the ASB. Everyone was sure Joba would be good in the rotation last year, but there was a time last year he probably should have been sent down to AAA. Even if Hughes is effective in the beginning, what if he fatigues at 110, 120, 130 innings. The guy’s innings high is from 4 years ago. He could very easily tire early in the season. You have Hughes like that and an injury and suddenly you have Mitre and someone like McAllister in the rotation trying to get into the playoffs.

          Hey ZZ with teh TRUTHBOMB.

          +1.

  • Ivan

    Look on the bright side guys, at least we have one high ceiling pitcher in the rotation, even if it’s not the guy who we thought it was in concern with Joba. And besides, how many teams or fans can argue and debate about a situation like the yanks have with Joba and Hughes?…none exactly.

    Nevertheless, at the end of the day whether Hughes win the job or Joba does, I still think the “loser” should go to scranton and build innings and become the 6th starter/main back up pitcher.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      Nevertheless, at the end of the day whether Hughes win the job or Joba does, I still think the “loser” should go to scranton and build innings and become the 6th starter/main back up pitcher.

      That.

      Signing Andy and trading for Javy gave us enviable depth and flexibility. Moving the loser of the 5th starter competition to the bullpen would waste that depth and flexibility.

      It’s nonsensical.

  • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

    Wow, Axisa. Jerry Crasnick is following you on the Tweeter?

  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    Al with a triple! He hit an oppo bomb and hit the top of the wall.

    • bexarama

      Cano popped up with a guy on third. OMG putting him in the five spot was such a terrible move!!!

      Actual comment spotted today: “This lineup sucks.”
      We may all be upset if Joba goes to the pen this year, but at least no one will be that dumb.

    • bexarama

      also, who scored on that triple? NJ. OMG HE’S TOO SLOW FOR THE 2-HOLE!!! (twss)

  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    I hope YES unveils a K-zone this season. Even the damn Nats have one.

    • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

      It’s pretty ridiculous the top sports network doesn’t have a K-zone or a legit radar gun for that matter.

      And a couple competent broadcasters to complement Singleton wouldn’t hurt either.

      • Jose

        Baby steps. I want wOBA prominently displayed when a hitter comes to the plate, but that ain’t happening anytime soon.

        • bexarama

          I’m moderately happy that they usually display OBP

    • Poopy Pants

      Hell, I’d be happy if they had Ozone from ‘Breakin’ 2: Electric Boogaloo’ there. Progress.

  • E Street Shuffle

    The nationals have just become my second favorite team. More importantly Nyjer Morgan is my new favorite player….he uses Too $hort as his walk up music. Me like

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      Nationals Fever is growing.

      Tommie: very aroused.

      • E Street Shuffle

        They give because they love

    • Jose

      They’re my National League team.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        Mine too.

        Switching sports, I’m adopting the Charlotte Bobcats as my second NBA team, now that Big Mike is running the show.

        I bet he changes the name. My suggestion:

        “The Carolina Flyers”.

        Tell me that shit isn’t tight. DAMNIT, I SHOULD BE IN MARKETING!

        • Jose

          Awesome. I didn’t realize Nelly is also part owner. That management is legit(is that what kids say these days?)

    • Ivan

      You know if Mo didn’t bless me to be a yankee fan, I would be a big fan of….The Florida Marlins.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        You know if Mo didn’t bless me to be a yankee fan, I would be a big fan of….The Florida Miami Marlins.

        Fixed.

        /pre-buildingthebrand’d

        • bexarama

          Miami Marlins does have a nice ring to it

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            It’s already locked in. Changing the name to the Miami Marlins was a condition of their new stadium project. When they move in to their new home, they change the name.

        • Jose

          2015 World Series: Chicago Cubs sweep Miami

          /Back to the Future’d

          • DCBX

            IIRC, they sweep Honolulu in the movie. Still funny though… the idea of the Cubs winning the WS is always good for a laugh.

  • WIlliam

    Javy is pitching a perfect game, sorta.

    • bexarama

      /Kay’d

      Now all you need to do is link us to Cone’s perfect game.

  • Dirty Pena

    Jeez, this game is going to be over by 9 at this rate.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

    http://www.silive.com/jets/ind.....nocks.html

    Tommie: very, very aroused.

    BTW, I mailed a helmet, a football, and a t-shirt to Sanchize and he happily signed them all and mailed them back to me. He threw in a signed rookie card as well.

    </joyed>

    • Nady Nation

      Damn, that’s awesome. Didn’t know players actually returned fan mail.

    • Jose

      Look at you using HTML tags. Son of a bitch.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        Every new piece of knowledge or skillset I add just makes me a better and more effective insufferable asshole.

    • Hughesus Christo

      Hard Knocks: Jets would be better if Hilary Rhoda hadn’t dumped his ass

    • Reggie C.

      Kerry “Hollywood” Rhodes must be really upset right now.

  • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

    Bryan Hoch of MLB.com says the Yankees haven’t made any decision on the 5th starter. This shocks me. I’d almost certainly trust the uncorroborated word of Joel Sherman over someone like Bryan Hoch. I mean come on, that guy practically writes for the National Enquirer. HAHAHAHA. Hoch said Girardi will probably announce on Friday. But we all know it’s Hughes. I mean, duh.

    http://bit.ly/amj47B

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      Girardi said that with five pitchers vying for one spot, there will be odd men out, but whoever begins the season in the bullpen or the Minors would not necessarily stay there all season.

      This, I like. I have doubts, however. Hughes was sent to the bullpen last year, and stayed there (even when there was pressing need and great opportunity to move him back).

      • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

        I agree. I’d rather have the loser go to AAA because we’ll know for a fact they will be the 6th starter when he’s needed. If he’s in the bullpen then it’s no guarantee the loser will start again in 2010.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

        Yeah, I’m sure we’ve chatted about this a few times but Girardi enjoys the stability of having a Hughes or Joba in the ‘pen, and given that they’ll probably be in the hunt for the pennant, he’ll lobby hard for one of them to be there.

        In doing so he sort of shoots himself in the foot in the long-term (I think, presuming he’s there of course). To Joba, it would impede the great progress he made in having no innings limits and getting a better feel for going through the lineup multiple times. For Hughes, he’s now four years removed from his innings high. This is a guy that needs to work on another off-speed pitch to complement his fb, curve and cutter.

        I’m not saying neither could join the rotation in 2011 and do well, but one more year of not having them starting incrementally decreases the chance they’ll be successful.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          I’m not saying neither could join the rotation in 2011 and do well, but one more year of not having them starting incrementally decreases the chance they’ll be successful.

          That. In order for them to be good starting pitchers, they need to be starting pitchers. Being bullpen pitchers cannot fully prepare them to be starters.

          And we don’t need them in the bullpen. We just don’t. Some people want to act like we do, but we don’t. They’re a luxury in the bullpen, not a necessity. Robertson/Aceves/Marte/Park/Melancon can handle their high-leverage innings bullpen job just fine.

  • WIlliam

    The announcers are talking about Pudge’s “entertaining offense”. If they mean entertainingly bad, mayber.

    • bexarama

      Apparently the Natinals’ (I realized that was a typo, contemplated correcting it, remembered the misspelled uniforms, then didn’t) announcer is talking about how the Yankees are an impatient hitting team. And he said this while Nick Johnson was batting.

      • Riddering

        They also had to mention how speedy Cano is.

        • bexarama

          /easy racial stereotypes’d

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Mayber, or mayber not.

  • Hey ZZ

    How long would Joba have to stay in the minors for his FA clock to be pushed back a year?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      I think someone here (don’t remember who) looked at this and determined that Joba would need to be in the minors until like July or August, but Phil only needs to be down until May/June.

      Could be wrong, though. I have no hard sources here.

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        I have no hard sources here.

        TWSS.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          I was considering throwing a “/Sherman’d” on there, as well.

      • Hey ZZ

        hmm. I think it is the reverse. On cot’s it says Joba has 2.055 of ML service and Phil 2.114. I just do not know the rules for how to translate that to being able to push a guy back a year.

  • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

    Hughes was cut in my fantasy league today. Guess someone doesn’t follow Sherman…………..

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=5024611

    For all of the talk about tightening the postseason, Major League Baseball made only one slight change this year and held off on major revisions.

    The awkward off-day between Games 4 and 5 of the league championship series, among those Los Angeles Angels manager Mike Scioscia griped about last October, will be eliminated. Instead, there will be yet another off-day between the division series and the start of the LCS, the commissioner’s office said Wednesday.

    The overall length of the postseason will not be shortened and the first round will remain best-of-five at least through 2011.

    Barring rainouts, this year’s switch will make it more difficult for a team to get through the best-of-seven LCS with only three starting pitchers, as the New York Yankees did last year en route to the World Series title.

    I’m both happy and sad about this.

    Happy that the off-day was removed from the LCS, but not happy that the off-day wasn’t eliminated entirely.

    Oh, and NESPN, the blurb about making the Yankees path to the World Series harder: so 2009. We have 6 legit starting pitchers now.

    Suck on it, baseball.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      Oh, and:

      The off-day was among four baseball added because Fox Sports wanted the World Series to open on a Wednesday rather than a Saturday, usually the lowest-rated night of the week. Other off-days were inserted in 2007 between the regular season and the postseason openers, between Games 4 and 5 of the division series and between the LCS and World Series.

      Memo to Fox: You’ll have higher ratings if you eliminate off days, because you’ll have fewer casual fans who lose interest over a protracted game schedule. Stack the games on back to back nights, eliminate as many off days as possible, and make it a pressure-packed drama-fest that happens every night.

      More drama in a smaller window of time = greater fan interest and involvement.

    • kunaldo

      “Oh, and NESPN, the blurb about making the Yankees path to the World Series harder: so 2009. We have 6 legit starting pitchers now.

      Suck on it, baseball.”

      Ditto.

    • Jose

      Yeah don’t move the off-day to somewhere else, just get rid of it.

      My hope this year is we face the Angels again in the ALCS and Mike Scioscia throws someone out there for Game 5 and we crush him, while our guy dominates. We then proceed to celebrate the pennant and eventually go pussy-tubing. Scioscia proceeds to complain about something else.

      • bexarama

        When is Scioscia NOT complaining?

    • bexarama

      he overall length of the postseason will not be shortened

      This I didn’t see. So is there gonna be like an extra day between some of the rounds? Weren’t the Yankees and Angels off like Sunday through Friday before the ALCS because they both swept the ALDS?

      As I said over on the Open Thread, it’s good that they took out the awkward off day. I don’t really care so much about that. However, it’s annoying that they did it immediately after the Yankees won the World Series and Scioscia complained about it giving them an advantage. It’s like all the “we need realignment omg” articles that have popped up recently.

  • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

    Greg (LA)

    How many guys take college over a check because they really want college? Isn’t it always in the team’s best interest at the end of the day to offer more money? Did Cole really want the UCLA experience? Couldn’t the Yankees just have offered him more money?

    Jim Callis

    Cole really did want the UCLA experience. The Yankees obviously could have met any asking price and were prepared to do so. I think he would have been more open to signing at the beginning of the summer, but MLB doesn’t want above-slot deals going down before the Aug. 15 deadline. The longer he waited, the more Cole got interested in college. Same thing happened to the Yankees and Mark Prior years ago.

    Interesting take from Callis. If MLB didn’t essentially mandate that above slot deals have to wait, they had a better chance of signing Cole. Damn MLB, out to screw the Yankees, just like the scouts and the projection systems.

    • Jose

      Don’t forget umpires screwing us.

      • bexarama

        and all the national announcers too

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      And for the record, it’s a massive, massive economic risk (because he could get hurt and get $0 instead of the $3,000,000+ we were going to give him), but I totally get the “I want to go to UCLA” concept.

      You’re an 18 year old athletic phenom. If you remain healthy and effective (which is exceedingly possible), in three years you could still go at the top of the draft and still get $3M plus, but instead of spending the 3 years in Tampa, Charleston, Trenton, and Scranton Wilkes-Barre, you can spend it in sunny Los Angeles as the BMOC, getting tans and top-shelf co-ed trim and being the life of the party.

      The money will still be there, in all likelihood. The experience: AWESOME.

      • Tom Zig

        I don’t fault him for this decision. I’ve never been to Trenton or Scranton, but I don’t imagine either place is a fun place to live if you’re someone like Cole. Tampa and Charleston I can see as fun places, but he wouldn’t be there very long.

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        It’s funny, all the points you make are great. But it didn’t work out for the other guy mentioned, Prior. Cole should have taken the chance to join a franchise that does not employ Dusty Baker. He has now taken a 1 in 30 risk that he gets drafted by a Dusty Baker led team. Scary shit.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

        That, and his family apparently has money. So it’s not like he’s poor and that’s life-changing money. He has the luxury of doing whatever he wants.

      • matt damon wayans

        If you think Gerrit Cole wouldn’t be able to get top-shelf females in Trenton, New Jersey then you, sir, do not know Gerrit Cole.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

          or Trenton.

        • Hey ZZ

          There are top-shelf females in Trenton, New Jersey?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            Snooki?

            • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

              Snooki or UCLA. . . . . . boy, that’s a toughie.

            • Hey ZZ

              I think you may have misheard. I asked for Grey Goose. Not a can of Natty Light.

              In fact, I am looking at your bar right now and you do not even keep the Natty Life on the shelf, but in a mini fridge with an ACDC sticker on it.

            • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

              Trenton has 7% Italian population according to the 2000 Census demographics. That actually seems fairly high to me. They’re all in Chambersburg (or what’s left of them). Mostly Puerto Ricans and Central American immigrants.

              I doubt you’ll find Snooki there.

  • Accent Shallow

    Did anyone have a chance to read this?

    Mo is still the leader, but he’s now at 151 instead of 200something.

    This bums me out, but apparently the change is more accurate.

    • Jose

      A long overdue change. Jolly good old bean.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        I’ll miss seeing all those 200 ERA+s from Pedro and Maddux, though.

        The new single season modern ERA+ record is Pedro’s 2000 campaign, which is now 166+.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      Also:

      Adding uniform numbers: TEH AWESOME.

      http://www.baseball-reference......ster.shtml (scroll down)

      • bexarama

        i luuuurve the new boxscores

      • Jose

        They have a 10 for 10 deal going on. 10 new features for their 10th anniversary. 7 more to go.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      As long as Mo’s still the All-Time leader, then it must be right.

      • Jose

        The change preserves all ordinal rankings. Everyone should be in the same positions as before.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

    http://247wallst.com/2010/03/2.....n-america/

    With or without food……with or without food….

  • WIlliam

    Cervelli playing 3rd

    /Head explodes

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Can Posada at 2B be far behind?

    • Jose

      Molina did it. Cervelli is his replacement, so he must do it.

  • Will

    Just wanted to throw this out there since I’m watching the game on MASN down here at school… Bruney has the most awesome beard. He’s one of the few players who look better with facial hair.

    (Melky and NJ look terrible with facial hair IMO)

    • bexarama

      Melky has a douchey chin strap (but doesn’t really look any different to me) and Nick Johnson had a horrible mustache (looks muuuuch better without it).

      Did anyone else see ESPN making fun of Melky today? Poor Melkman.

  • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

    In 2002 and 2003 Pedro led the league in ERA, ERA+, WIN%, WHIP, H/9 and K/9 and didn’t win either CY. Admittedly he only made 29 and 30 starts, but simply put he pitched better than anyone else in the league those two years. He also led the league in other categories in either year, just not both. This just in, Pedro Martinez is good at baseball.

    • Jose

      But how many wins did he have? Steve you left off the stat that determined the Cy Young winners those two years.

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        He had less wins than Esteban Loaiza, and therefore the BBWAA determined that Loaiza was a better pitcher than Pedro in 2003.

      • bexarama

        Pedro pitched 186.2 innings in 2003 in a year when the winner pitched 266. Halladay was worth more WAR (though only slightly, and he didn’t lead Pedro in VORP). It’s a tough call, they both had really good years.

        Not really sure how Pettitte got votes, I suspect people were seduced by the magical 20-win total

        • Jose

          True, you have to find the intersection point of how well they pitched in addition to number of innings.

        • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          Yeah, I do agree Pedro shouldn’t have won it that year. But the loss to Zito is just bullshit.

          • bexarama

            Barry Zito’s K/BB in 2002: 2.33 (not bad)
            Pedro Martinez’ K/BB in 2002: 5.98 (totally ridonkulous)
            Obviously you have to look at other things, but the other things all support Pedro, pretty much.

            Pedro led him in WAR by quite a bit too (Zito was 11th in pitcher WAR that year), though VORP gives Zito the advantage.

    • bexarama

      As a Yankee fan, I want him to retire right now. Amazing pitcher, maybe the best all time. We’ll be talking about him for years to come. Doubtless first-ballot Hall of Famer. Absolutely ripped apart by the Yankees in his last start ever.

      • Jose

        I definitely wouldn’t say best ever. His body basically held up decently until he was 33. Some of the top tier pitchers with better longevity are better. If you are talking best peak ever, then that is a different discussion.

        • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          He should have retired at 31, ala Koufax (at 30).

          Pedro thru 31
          166-67 2.58 ERA, 143 ERA+

          Koufax thru 30
          165-87, 2.76 ERA, 124 ERA+

          It absolutely stuns me that Pedro, pitching in hitters era in a hitters park (primarily) still had a better raw ERA than Koufax. Even if you back out Pedro’s age 31 season, since Koufax didn’t have one, he still comes out on top.

          • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

            He also had a better HR rate than Koufax. That is mind-blowing considering their respective surroundings.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

            Pedro was a better pitcher. Kofax was a 2-pitch Pitcher who had a great fastball and curve, plus he was a Lefty. Pedro had a great fastball, change, curve and an above average slider. And for a guy with great raw stuff, he was also off the charts in Baseball IQ. You just can’t be much better than Pedro was in his prime. Almost flawless.

            • Accent Shallow

              I think you have to give Koufax some credit for durability. Over five year peaks (1961-1966, 1997-2002), Koufax has 223 games and 1632 IP. Pedro has 172 and 1221. That’s a lot of value to make up.

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                ..and the mounds were higher, and hitters barely watched video, on and on. The game was so much different back then.

            • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

              Completely agree. I just hope that when Pedro hangs it up, people don’t look at his career numbers and say Koufax was better because his rate stats may end up better. Koufax never had to deal with aging.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Pedro’s peak is probably the best peak of any pitcher ever.

  • matt damon wayans

    MLBTR says the Texas Rangers are looking for a utility infielder. Anyone think we could send Ramiro Pena, or better yet, Kevin Russo, for Martin Perez or maybe a Justin Smoak-type bat?

    • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      Only Jed Lowrie could bring back a Justin Smoak type bat.

      For Diamond Cutters,
      I’m Peter Gammons

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

    I don’t have a huge problem with them choosing Hughes over Joba, but then again I was always agnostic on the Joba start/reliever debate. I thought both sides went way overboard with their positions.

    That being said, the process at which the Yanks arrived at this decision (if true) bugs me. Joba had the flu his first start, was still weak the next, then put up two good outings and showed the efficiency the Yanks were looking for. Did Joba ever really have a chance? The first two starts weren’t supposed to count anyway, they were all just rounding into shape.

    The whole point of making a decision in Spring Training is that you have a few candidates who are very close in all areas and only one spot. So you let them fight it out and one of them win. Not based on stats, but on how they’re throwing the ball. I seems to me like that happened here with Phil, but not Joba.

  • bexarama

    the Nats announcer apparently said Mo could close in the eighth.

    We all know what this means.

    • Jose

      Games are being shortened to eight innings and Joba now has the seventh?

  • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

    Pedro’s B-ref page is just full of mind blowing shit. Here’s my latest favorite. From 1999-2003, while home run records were being demolished daily, Pedro pitched 933 innings, in the AL East, in a hitters park.

    He gave up 51 HR’s.

    • Jose

      Select 1997-2003, prepare to be mind blown with his line over a 7 year period.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

        Pedro and Maddux are among the best pitchers who ever lived.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          Pedro and Maddux are among the best pitchers who ever lived of all time.

          /KanyeBradley’d

          • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

            Ichiro, I know you’re a great leadoff hitter and all, but I’m hitting first today, I’m the greatest leadoff hitter of all time.

            /KanyeBradley’d

        • bexarama

          They really are. Pedro 1997-2003 is just… (mind explodes) Greg Maddux was walking less than 1 guy per 9 innings in 1997. Absolutely ridiculous.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

            Maddux gets forgotten because he didn’t have the blazing fastball Pedro did. But check out his 94-95 seasons.

            http://www.baseball-reference......gr01.shtml

            As good as anything Pedro ever did, he just got there a different way.

            • bexarama

              I think one of my early comments here was that Maddux was underrated because he didn’t throw a mrazillion miles an hour. The guy is ridiculous though. Even when he was 41-42 years old and totally declined in 2007 and 2008, he had a K/BB of 3.67 (and led the league – all of baseball in 2007 – in BB/9) and a quite respectable WHIP of 1.22. Dude just did not walk anyone.

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                He’s the type of pitcher (like Mo) that sabermetricians don’t quite know what to do with, at least not yet. He didn’t have the great fastball, and his style was more about mixing things up than any one pitch. They know he’s great, but FIP doesn’t love him because (like Mo) he pitched to contact.

                Check this out. Fangraphs has 2-3% of his pitches classified as “unknown” and even that was toward the end of his career.

                http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....#pitchtype

                • Accent Shallow

                  I dunno, the man has a career ERA of 3.16, and a career FIP of . . . 3.26.

                • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  Duh, I was looking at the post season. Past my bedtime.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                Maddux had more games started than unintentional walks from 1991-2008 (the end of his career). Absurd.

                • bexarama

                  Wikipedia:
                  Ignoring those six intentional walks, Maddux only went to a 3-0 count on one batter in all of 1997.

                  In July and August of [2001], Maddux pitched 72 1/3 consecutive innings without giving up a walk.

                  I love him because other than being totally awesome at pitching he seems kind of dorky. The golf, the glasses, the beer gut he had going on by the end of his career.

    • bexarama

      Mariano Rivera gave up one home run in 107.2 IP (I think it adds up to 121 IP if you include postseason) in 1996, lol

      • Jose

        Babe Ruth didn’t allow a home run in over 300 IP one season. (I know not the same, but still pretty cool)

  • bexarama

    Yankee pitchers in this game: 9 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 11 K, 0 BB

    I know it was against the (g)Nats but mm mmm mmmmm. I heard Mo gave up a double though. :O

    • Nady Nation

      Gotta throw the mortals a bone every once in a while.

  • http://cheezpictureisunrelated.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129123049798746122.jpg Taintstick

    Holy fucking Christ. I just read through some of the comments on here and I feel like I walked in on a Teabagger convention. The RAB reaction to Joba going to the bullpen is no different than the Republican reaction to the passage of the health care bill. This isn’t Armageddon. Ben Affleck isn’t going to die. If you can all tear yourself away from Farmville for a minute, please reach down and check if your balls are still attached.

    Halladay, Santana, Carpenter, Wainwright, Haren, Greinke, Cone, Nolan Fucking Ryan, Sandy Motherfucking Koufax…all of these pimps were jerked around between the bullpen and the starting rotation when they were in their early 20s. And you know what? They all fucking survived. They all dominated as starters. Stop the insanity. Please. PLEASE.

    Hughes as the 5th starter – confidence level 10
    Joba as the 5th starter – confidence level 10
    Mitre as the 5th starter – confidence level 10

    We run this town. Gz up hoes down.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      If we had confidence that Joba would go to the bullpen this year but come back out of it next year and rejoin the rotation, we’d be much less averse to the move.

      We don’t. We all fear that Joba in the bullpen this year would be a permanent move. We have good reasons to fear this. The org has been exceedingly flighty and unstable on this matter. The chance of them making a hasty, permanent, and regrettable decision is very, very high.

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        If we had confidence that Joba would go to the bullpen this year but come back out of it next year and rejoin the rotation, we’d be much less averse to the move.

        This. A thousand times, this.

      • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        I totally wasn’t around today, so please correct me if my impression is inaccurate… But was there a whole lot of hand wringing about… A Joel Sherman article? I mean… If so, color me relatively unmoved. Did I miss the Yankees actually making an announcement?*

        *Honest question… Busy day and I just got home from a thing, I’m totally not up on the news.

        • bexarama

          No, you didn’t miss an announcement. I think people might have been just venting, but I dunno, it really got to me (just to speak of personal experiences) for a little bit. More the venting than what Sherman wrote.

          • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Oh I get it… I mean… Sherman must have spoken to somebody. But until they actually announce something, I just can’t get too upset about this. I mean… Joel Sherman. Joel F*cking Sherman. I’m not taking his work as gospel.

      • http://cheezpictureisunrelated.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129123049798746122.jpg Taintstick

        I hear what you are saying, but the only way Joba doesn’t end up a starter long-term is if Cashmoney, Girardi, Eiland, and the Tampa Mafia don’t think he will cut it as a starter. Maybe, just maybe, they know more about Joba’s potential then we do. I know many fans feel vested emotionally in the Joba saga, but many fans had the same exact reaction when the Yanks misused Chris Britton and Josh Phelps. After they way this organization built the 2009 championship, I think we owe them the benefit of the doubt before we decide they are making a hasty, permanent, and regrettable decision.

        • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          See, but here’s the thing… I don’t think anybody could possibly know enough about Joba’s potential right now to know that he won’t make it as a starter. I’m very much a fan of the Yankees’ F.O., but that doesn’t mean I offer them blind faith.

          • http://cheezpictureisunrelated.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129123049798746122.jpg Taintstick

            But they have to form an opinion based on the information they have. Their information is pointing them in a certain direction. And they have access to more information then we do. Maybe Joba told them he doesn’t want to start. Maybe they have some medical information that makes them think Joba can’t endure a 200 inning season. I don’t think they picking names out of hat.

            • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              I don’t think they’re picking names out of a hat either, but I would need a whole lot of crazy evidence to put a kid with the kind of potential Joba has, at his age, into the bullpen because I think he’s better off there, and my team is better off with him there, than with him in the rotation.

              • http://cheezpictureisunrelated.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129123049798746122.jpg Taintstick

                And I would need a whole lot of crazy evidence to put a kid with the kind of ability Joba has in Scranton. The Yankees are a better team with him in the bullpen than they are with him in Scranton. There is no reason Joba can’t pitch in the bullpen in 2010 and replace Andy in 2011.

                • Hey ZZ

                  This is not necessarily true. I mentioned it above in this thread. Joba could very likely be more valuable to this team and make them better starting the year in Scranton and getting called up to fill a hole in the rotation than spending the year in the BP.

                  Also, this entire notion that the Yankees have been perpetuating to the media that they 12 best north is in all honestly complete BS. The Yankees have never before and no team really operates like this. There are plenty of SP prospects in every organization that could make their parent club better by pitching in the bullpen. Just last year Phil Hughes was better than 1/2 the guys they had in the BP on Opening Day, yet he started the year in Scranton.

                • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  But the demotion wouldn’t be because of performance, it would be because they’d want to keep him in a rotation. What’s best for the organization isn’t always to have the best 25 players in the organization on the active MLB roster. Free your mind, and the rest will follow.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  What’s best for the organization isn’t always to have the best 25 players in the organization on the active MLB roster. Free your mind, and the rest will follow.

                  Repeated for emphasis.

          • Hey ZZ

            See, but here’s the thing… I don’t think anybody could possibly know enough about Joba’s potential right now to know that he won’t make it as a starter. I’m very much a fan of the Yankees’ F.O., but that doesn’t mean I offer them blind faith.

            THIS.

            No matter how smart the Yankees FO. No matter how many scouts think he cannot handle being a SP or that their data does not think he can handle the workload.

            The Yankees simply have no observed Joba enough as a SP in the big leagues to make a sound and reasonable determination about his future as a SP.

            • http://cheezpictureisunrelated.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129123049798746122.jpg Taintstick

              And there is no indication that the Yankees have made a determination about his future. That’s my point. They can only pick one person to be the 5th starter in 2010. Their data/analysis/scouting/inside info tells them that Hughes is the choice for 2010(according to Sherman). There is absolutely no reason they can’t change their mind this year, no reason they can’t move Joba to the rotation in 2011, no reason they can’t swap Joba and Phil if Phil struggles. People are overreacting for absolutely no reason.

    • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      1. Where did you get that picture of me?

      2. We all died a little today: http://riveraveblues.com/off-t.....ent-808792

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        We all died a little today

        I feel like Baseball felt when murdered by Alex Rodriguez.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        Rose is a constant fountain of memes. He’s one of my favorite people.

        • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          After that off-topic thread… I don’t know, man. I might have to O:S that whole thing.

        • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Did you consider taking on his talking points, one by one?

          • bexarama

            ummm the only people that do that are part of the corruption Mondesi

          • Jose

            It isn’t worth it. He is a conspiracy theorist Libertarian who resorts to personal attacks when someone doesn’t debunk his nonsensical biased sources that don’t really have anything to do with the questions that people ask him.

            • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Eh, I know… But I’m bored, I might just pick out a bunch of his batshit insane rantings and respond to them. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

              • Jose

                I changed my mind. I support you countering Mondesi. You are full of so much shit knowledge, I would enjoy reading that debate.

              • bexarama

                can you please address the one with the Yankees being the hardworking people who the government wants to take everything away from because America hates success

                • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Oh, no… I mean… You can’t really counter something like that, it’s just insane. I’d only deal with things I can respond to with, like, reality-based conversation.

            • bexarama

              They’re all corrupt and they have been for over a hundred years.

              How did I JUST NOTICE that one? I just, I don’t even.

          • Accent Shallow

            No, that’s my brother, Crazy Talk!

            • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Hold on… Maxlroseavelli is your brother?

      • Jose

        RIP America. I will miss forgetting to pay you taxes.

  • ultimate913

    Beckett shuts down the Pirates, yes, the PIRATES and then there is an immediate “Bring on the Yankees?” after said game. Never change, mlb. Never change. No. Wait. I take that back. Please do change.

    • ultimate913

      It wasn’t even a complete shut down(or shut-out for that matter). Dude gave up a run.

      • bexarama

        9 Ks is fairly impressive, then again it is the *Pirates* and it’s *Spring Training* (though last time they kinda beat him up…)

    • bexarama

      My mom lives in such fear of Josh Beckett, it’s really kind of entertaining. Every time we face him it’s like:

      mom: OMG WE’RE GONNA LOSE AND GET SHUT OUT NOOOOO
      me: He has like a 5.30 career ERA against the Yankees
      mom: (panics)

      She thinks Dice-K is the better pitcher though. Because he went 18-3 in 2008. o_O

      • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        I think you might need to give your mom some more life lessons from The Honorable Congressman Mondesi.

        • Jose

          “Life Lessons from The Honorable Congressman Mondesi” sounds like a book that struggled to sell copies.

          • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Dude it’d totally sell, like, at least 3 copies. Depending on expectations, that might be considered a success.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

          Are you flirting with her Mom, you animal?

          • ultimate913

            Animals belong in the zoo. Bronx zoo is in the Bronx. NYS is in the Bronx. Thus, basketballs are round.

          • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi
            • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

              Ahhhh… gotcha. I thought that was some sort of innuendo thing about “teaching her a lesson”.

              • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Yeah I realized how creepy that probably sounded after I posted the comment, but it was too late. lol

                • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  Hahahahah!

                • bexarama

                  hahaha I didn’t think it was creepy because I knew what you were referring to, but now that I think about it…

                  ahahaha Padres are having a David Eckstein bobblehead night

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  “I hollered out, ‘Don’t look, Ethel!’
                  But it was too late. She’d already been incensed.”

                  /bad-70s-song-“The Streak”‘d

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  Wait…David Eckstein isn’t already a walking bobblehead?

                  Now I’m confused.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          That’s a felony in many middle-American states.

        • bexarama

          Hah. She’d probably be just terribly confused again.

          • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

            /not-sayin’-much-for-Mondesi’d

    • Accent Shallow

      Josh Beckett: most overrated pitcher in the game today. People talk about him as if he were in the discussion for top starter in the game, and he really isn’t. Oy vey.

      • bexarama

        This is incredibly true. He’s been Cy Young worthy roughly once in his career.

        It’s probably because he acts like an asshat that throws a fit when he doesn’t get named the #1 playoff starter in a year when another pitcher on his own team was better.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          He could quite conceivably be the 4th best starter on his team this year.

        • Accent Shallow

          I think it’s 2003 World Series Game 3, and 2007 ALCS Game 5, coupled with his excellent 2007 season.

          That, and he has great stuff, so the scouts love him.

          • bexarama

            Yuppers. The one CY-worthy season was 2007, where the Sox won the Series, so he looked like their unstoppable ace, plus he was ridiculous that postseason.

            Also I assume you mean Game 6 of the 2003 World Series. Shut out the Yankees = bestest postseason pitcher evah.

            • bexarama

              also, does he have great, great, great stuff? /Scout X’d

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            Josh Beckett = Jack Morris.

            Your mind: BLOWN.

            • Jack

              Someday, Jon Heyman will give Beckett a HOF vote.

              Someday, Jon Heyman will force me to kick him in the testicles.

  • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

    The Central Park coyote is going to be on Fox 5 News at Ten in a couple of minutes.

    Woof woof!

    • Jose

      What happened to the standard human interest stories?

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

        Weeds?

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          Fuck. It was a mountain lion in Weeds. I fail.

      • pat

        I am extremely interested in a coyote in Central Park.

        • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

          Damn. I’ve been posting about him for weeks, and no one noticed:

          http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ent-802414

          http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ent-803195

          Go to http://www.urbanhawks.com. The dude has pics, & even video.

        • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC
          • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

            And, finally, go to http://www.urbanhawks.com, where, among the hawks pics, there are pictures and even video of the coyote. Be sure to scroll all the way to the bottom and click the “older” link for the coyote stuff.

          • pat

            Haha, damn. I hadn’t seen those. Coyotes are awesome. Of course they know this is the story everybody wants to see so they put a bunch of junk like “Heathcare” and “Obscene MTA budget shortfalls” in front of it.

            • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

              HA HA HA!

              The coyote was in Tribeca!!! Fox 5 News just showed him boppin’ down Greenwich Street!

              I say, forget the Death Panels. Feed ‘em to the coyotes!

            • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

              they know [the coyote] is the story everybody wants to see so they put a bunch of junk like […]“Obscene MTA budget shortfalls” in front of it.

              Somewhere, Ben sheds a single tear

  • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

    Damn. I’ve been posting about him for weeks, and no one noticed:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ent-803195

    • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

      The coyote, that is.

  • bonestock94

    I got a weird offer today in my fantasy league. I drafted jobber in like the 24th round, and today someone in my league offered Hughes for him. He’s savvy and he mentioned that Hughes is gonna be the 5th starter. What gives, what does he have to gain?

    • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

      Obviously, he’s like the rest of us, and doesn’t believe for a minute that Hughes will be the starter, and is trying to captialize on the fake “news” that Hughes will be the starter.

      He knows that Joba will put up much more value as a starting pitcher.

      IOW, he’s trying to swindle you.

      • bonestock94

        Well I’m not making any deals until the word comes down tomorrow or Friday. If Hughes ends up being #5 should I do it? I actually could use a good reliever..

        • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

          Not really a Fantasy expert. I answered that because it was obvious to me.

          I suppose it depends on your needs…if your rotation is already full of studs– ones better than Joba/Hughes are likely to be even if they start living up to their potential–and you needs you some bullpen help, that might change things.

          Any Fantasy Gurus out there?

          • WIlliam

            The ERA, holds, and saves gotten by joba/hughes as relievers are extremely valuable. More so then them as league average starters.

    • Mike HC

      The way I see it, he values both of them more as relievers than starters. He is probably right too. In the AL East, both might put up over a 4 era and a whip above 1.3, which does not help that much in fantasy. As a reliever, they are both great, and can get vulture wins and saves. They lose fantasy value as a starter in most relatively shallow fantasy leagues.

      • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

        Thanks for the assist, Mike!

        • Mike HC

          At least thats what I think. What do I know why this guy wants him.

          Plus, Hughes may just blow up and become a stud (please let that be true), then it would be horrible trade.

      • bonestock94

        Ah sweet, thanks guys. This is a very deep league, but I think I’m gonna go for whoever ends up being the reliever. Keep joba if he does, or take Hughes if Joba is named. My starters aren’t necessarily studs though. Randy Wells is, but besides that its mostly young guys and/or risks. Sheets, Rowland-Smith, Matusz, Wade Davis, Bucholz, and I picked up Joba and Pettite real late in the draft.

        • Mike HC

          Looking at your starters and considering the league depth, I would prefer the starter. But it all comes down to how well you think Hughes will pitch compared to Joba in the pen. Who knows? Good luck either way.

          • bonestock94

            Thanks for the insight, I’ll think on it.

  • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

    Durn typos!!!

    *capitalize

  • donttradecano

    I work with her brother and the whole situation is just horrible

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landi.....3841.story

    what people are writing on the memorial wall is disguisting. at one point there was a picture of her with a noose around her neck. Some sick people live in this world.

    • pat

      What a terrible fucking place the world can be.

  • http://visualbaseball.wordpress.com Shiraldi’s Eyes

    In the spirit of random musings, here’s a cool “Yankees Dashboard” where you can get an infographic snapshot of the team throughout the season.

    http://visualbaseball.wordpres…..-dashboard

    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      bad link

  • http://visualbaseball.wordpress.com Shiraldi’s Eyes
    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      The dashboard is one thing, does its job. What I thought was pretty awesome was the 5 tool analyzer.