Jun
27
Eiland to return Tuesday
ByFinally, our long national nightmare is over. Marc Carig reports that pitching coach David Eiland will return from his personal leave of absence on Tuesday when the Yankees begin their series against Seattle. The Yanks are off Monday following tonight’s rubber game against the Dodgers. Hopefully everything worked out well for Eiland, but for selfish reasons I’m glad he’s back.
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FINALLY.
Burnett will go 5-0 with a 3.10 era in July.
lol if that happens, i will lmao
Pshht, 6-0, 1.1
If Burnett does that, Eiland deserves a raise.
Glad he’s coming back and hopefully what ever personal problems he had are resolved.
Looks like David Ortiz is back to searching for the real killers all by himself.
For shame.
Thank sweet baby Jesus, Harkey looked lost.
oh and can someone play that welcome back kotter theme song in the clubhouse when he comes back? ha if not, then the “welcome back” by mase would suffice.
welcome back mr eiland
Huzzah!
AJ must be doing cartwheels in the clubhouse
When AJ found out, he gave himself a cream pie to the face.
hahaha, IETCVM
i will second that, lololol
So does Burnett stop pouting now?
What are you guys talking about! Eiland will come back to a perfect pitching staff – no rotation or bullpen problems!
/guy who voted 10 in the confidence poll all whilst Aj was sucking’d
So when AJ gets clobbered his next outing, what’s the MSM excuse then?
Depends on if Jorge is catching.
Touche. I stand corrected.
He’s obviously preoccupied with Elena Kagan’s impending SCOTUS nomination hearings.
Well who wouldn’t be, she’s just mesmerizing.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/....._kagan.jpg
Rrrrrowl!! (licks finger, touches screen and makes sizzle sound)
Talk about a pearl necklace!!!
http://www.hiyoooo.com
tommie, tommie, tommie, behave
I play by my own rules, nobody else’s, not even my own.
tommie, i wonder if im related to u
You might be. Is your mother awesome and your father amazing? Do you come from a long line of virile genius stud warrior-poets with gigantic brains and phalli? Can you divide by zero and be in two places at the same time? Do you list Nick Swisher as your only reference on job applications?
Holy shit. Have you been spying on me?
Well, except for the Mother and Father part. I sprang from the Chaos at the beginning of time fully formed. But other than that, you’re dead on.
Don’t bother with the ruse, DBP. They all know we have weekly meetings with the rest of the World’s Greatest Men Club to decide the fate of the world. Our cover is blown, not that we care.
Who was the deuce bag who blew our cover?
He must be eliminated.
I blame Lady Gaga.
We need George Steinbrenner to handle this one.
He’ll be at the meeting of course.
yep, yep, yep an yep we are related
Can you divide by zero and be in two places at the same time?
Dude, the Kwisatz Haderach doesn’t show up for at least 10,000 years.
I really don’t care for Eiland.
Truthfully, I don’t know how much impact he really has, but Wang really seemed like a screwup. People have already forgotten him, but we lost a really really good pitcher. Part of it was freak-luck, but there was so much mechanically wrong with him during 2009, and Eiland was the guy in charge of that. He was working with him during every bullpen, telling the media afterward that Wang looked fantastic and would be ready in his next start, only for Wang to shit the bed in his next start. I believe he was also responsible for changing Wang’s armslot altogether where his release point was several inches different from the one he had in 06-07.
I’m also skeptical of his work with Joba and Hughes. “But Hughes is pitching great now!” Yeah, but only because he’s regained arm strength for his fastball and his cutter is working out real good (something he learned in the minors not from Eiland). His curve isn’t as good as it used to be, and he’s still afraid to throw his changeup.
http://www.sadtrombone.com
boner kill
Quick recap:
-When things go wrong, it’s Eiland’s fault.
-When things go well, he had nothing to do with it.
I like the way you think, Cowboy. Who needs to be fair minded when you can be dead wrong, but absolutely certain.
I don’t laud him when the pitching is good, and I don’t criticize him when the pitching is bad.
I just see specific instances where I’m very skeptical of his work. It’s true there’s only so much you can conjecture from any coach’s teachings, but from what indications we have, Eiland is a poor coach.
Out of curiosity, do you see any specific instances where you’d state that he’s doing good work?
Just like the hitters do with Kevin Long, the pitchers on the staff all swear by Eiland and say he’s helped them tremendously, and they haven’t been so gregarious with praise and credit with previous hitting and pitching coaches.
FWIW.
First you wrote:
Wang really seemed like a screwup. People have already forgotten him, but we lost a really really good pitcher. Part of it was freak-luck, but there was so much mechanically wrong with him during 2009, and Eiland was the guy in charge of that. He was working with him during every bullpen, telling the media afterward that Wang looked fantastic and would be ready in his next start, only for Wang to shit the bed in his next start. I believe he was also responsible for changing Wang’s armslot altogether where his release point was several inches different from the one he had in 06-07.
Then you wrote:
I don’t criticize him when the pitching is bad.
This is just too easy. I don’t even have to debate you, I’ll leave you to debate yourself.
This is just too easy. I don’t even have to debate you, I’ll leave you to debate yourself.
If I were a psychologist, I’d be having a field day with his posts.
If you were a psychologist, maybe you would know better.
?
If you’re that concerned about “debating” me, you’re probably overly worried about the wrong details in the first place.
The point is not to hang the coach for a subpar staff, or to crown him for an excellent one, because ultimately it is the quality of the players that is largely responsible. However, there is a huge reason to think he played a significant role in the downfall of Wang. Wang was as obviously screwed up mechanically as any pitcher I can remember. Eiland was the guy there that supervised and instructed Wang during this phase. He said many things that were demonstrably wrong, saying that Wang’s release point was “inconsistent”, whereas Pitch F/x showed he had a very consistent release point. His release point was off, but not because of inconsistencies.
I can’t track down the article right now, but I believe he also is responsible for changing his armslot during 2008 which gave him a lot of trouble with his sinker. (Everybody remembers Wang’s troubles in ’09, but he also ran into a lot of mechanical problems in ’08.)
It was Cash Moneys fault. He told Wang not to work his legs out in the off-season.
Hughes learned his cutter from Eiland.
He learned it in his rehab at Trenton/Scranton circa August 2008.
According to Klapisch, he learned the cutter directly from Mariano and refined it under the watch of both Mo and Dave Eiland.
Yep
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....l_hug.html
Heres a video of him explaining his pitch grips. Says he learned the cutter last year.
http://dodgers.scout.com/a.z?s.....c%3d780915
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t.....qMmi44V23Q
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09.....ref=sports
Any questions?
So that Klapisch isn’t too trustworthy, huh?
The first one is behind a paywall, so I didn’t read it…but nothing in the other two says he learned that pitch in Trenton/Scranton.
They say he “developed it that summer”.
Again, I didn’t read the first one, but there is nothing in the other two that contradicts him learning the pitch from Mo, then continuing to develop it right up through that summer of ’08.
2009
I think he has been just average. He has not done anything stand out, like fix a broken Wang. And he has not done anything particularly of note with the youngsters Joba and Hughes. You can argue that Joba has been completely f’d up, and Hughes is just locating his two fastballs really well, which I don’t think you can attribute anything to Eiland there. I give credit to Mo for the cutter, lets be honest.
But, he has not done anything particularly wrong either. The veterans seem to like him a lot and he really has not had many chances to truly mold a pitcher. The story is not done with Hughes and Joba. Hughes and Joba’s development in the future should really be his mark on this team in the future.
…fix a broken Wang
“I know that dick was broke!! I saw it!!”
/Wanda Sykes’d