Link Dump: Yanks-Dodgers, Hughes, Torre


Just a few things to get you by while Mike chats the afternoon away.

More Yanks-Dodgers World Series

As we highlighted yesterday, Matt Bouffard at Fack Youk is running down the Yankees-Dodgers World Series matchups. He continues that today, picking up with the 1953 series. He then continues to 1955, and 1956. All are excellent reads.

Phil Hughes working in favorable counts

Moshe points to a Hardball Times article that breaks down counts into ones that favor the hitter and ones that favor the pitcher. They’re all pretty intuitive, and they pass the numbers test too. While the first pitch remains neutral, pitchers have 0-2, 1-2, 2-2, 0-1, and 1-1, while hitters have 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, 2-0, 3-1, and 3-0. It turns out that while Cliff Lee has seen the most favorable counts this year, Phil Hughes comes in right behind him. He’s had the count in his favor in 53.9 percent of his plate appearances. It’s no wonder he’s pitching so well.

Torre moments and the divorce

At SI.com, Bronx Banter’s Cliff Corcoran lists 10 signature Torre moments. The last three are not pretty, I’ll warn you, though the first few make up for them. Meanwhile, over at the four-letter, Buster Olney explains the Yankees’ rift with Torre. It comes down to the book, it seems. The Yankees think he’s a hypocrite. It seems like no reunion is forthcoming, but we know that can change. This front office won’t be in place forever, and chances are when regimes change so will the organizational stance towards Torre. He meant too much to the organization over the years for them to forever snub him.

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  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Buster Olney explains the Yankees’ rift with Torre. It comes down to the book, it seems. The Yankees think He’s a hypocrite.


    • Pete C.

      Oh yeah.
      You know, for a guy that was supposed to be above all the backstabbing and behind the scenes politics that the Yankees are famous for, Joe Torre figured out how to regress back to his mean.
      The part that I can’t figure out is why Don Mattingly followed him, and when he got there, made a big deal about wearing Yogi’s number. I’ve said it before; somewhere Jackie Robinson’s laughing his ass off.

  • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

    Robinson Cano this year in pitchers counts:

    0-2 .250/.286/.500
    1-2 .286/.286/.371
    2-2 .333/.333/.606
    0-1 .387/.375/.677
    1-1 .444/.444/.704

    Interesting that his slugging% is ridiculous in those spots. You think he’d maybe take a little off in pitchers counts and the slug% would be the first thing to drop. This just in, Robinson Cano is good at baseball.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      He could win a batting title one day!

      /it could happen this year oh snap

      • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

        What will they say about him if and when he actually wins one?

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          If he’s not lazy, he could win more?

    • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

      One or two home runs in small samples leads to off-the-charts SLGs. Also, Robinson Cano is really good at baseball

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        Good point, but I was surprised that in 4 of those 5 scenarios had had a very healthy slugging %.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Robinson Cano leaves no carbon footprint, but he is known to leave diamond ones.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      1-2 .286/.286/.371


      • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

        And he strikes out one third of the time too. You don’t seem him ever striking out 0-1 or 1-1 counts. Bust

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Let’s trade him for Vlad Guerrero now, while his value is still high.

  • nathan

    For Torre to get back in with a Steinbrenner owned Yankee org. he has to apologize.

    He burned everything on his way out. It will be awkward for Cash$$ to look at the Core-4 guys slobber over Mr. Green tea tonight. But there is also a message here, for any other former manager the media would have atleast attempted to get a quote from a Sheffield or Randy J or from others not in the Torre-circle.

    His circle consisted of players who won him rings. You dont get into his circle for playing hard, you get in for making him look good.

    I wonder what notes he is taking now in the Dodger clubhouse for his next book.

    • Thomas

      I wonder what notes he is taking now in the Dodger clubhouse for his next book.

      The Dodgers Years by Joe Torre and Tom Verducci

      Now, I know many of you are expecting me to bad mouth the Dodgers players and front office on my way out like I did with the Yankees. However, that is not the case. I am not saying the Dodgers don’t deserve it, in fact, they probably deserve it more the the Yankees. However, the organization kept a quiet, peaceful clubhouse and dugout allowing me to sleep in peace. Thus, there is nothing I am aware of to complain about.

      Thanks for the $29.95.

      The End

      • nathan

        Thus, there is nothing I am aware of to complain about.

        Yeah I did tell Colleti that Kemp doesnt run and catch some balls. I did negotiate a contract with Dodgers while Little was still manager but i thought Ned will take care of it. I dont know why i am not in the DOdger ring of fame yet though, I am the reason they were in 2 straight NLCS not Lasorda.

        I hv to say though the clubhouse is quiet everytime I or one of my spies pass through, I may have lost some quotes because of my first book

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  • vin

    I’m still shocked Torre wrote that book. All he had to do was say:

    “We couldn’t agree on a contract. It’s unfortunate, but there is a business side to the game. I think it was time for me to move on anyway. I loved my time in NY, but I’m excited to be managing in LA.”

    Then he could go to a good LA team, and have some success with them. Not write the book. Then retire, and be beloved in the two biggest markets.

    He couldn’t have handled it any worse than he did. The man needed a better PR person.

    • nathan

      Adulation gets you peanuts. He saw an opportunity to throw some dirt around and get paid for that. Both solved in one book.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      What was he supposed to do? Doubleday drove a dump truck full of money up to his house. He’s not made of stone!

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

        “He’s not made of stone!”

        There’s a heartbeat to the game.

  • Mike HC

    On the plus side, I really enjoyed that book. Very entertaining.

    Definitely a vindictive move by Torre though.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Sure, I may not be a good baseball tactician and I may ride my players until their bodies break down, but I’m a great manager of personalities. My hallmark is taking superstars with big egos and getting them to play with each other as teammates and brothers, all pulling together to reach a common goal.

      Now, please enjoy this book where I say that all the times we didn’t win the title is because all these selfish diva players wouldn’t sacrifice personal acclaim for the good of the team and were only in it for themselves, and it’s Brian Cashman’s fault for giving me all these horribly selfish jerks who wouldn’t be good teammates.

      • nathan

        I guess the Torre kool-aid ran out and you didnt get one.


        Unfortunately, this is not how the newsmedia will report. Sad.

      • deuce bag poster

        I’d love Cashman to write a book blaming Torre for everything that went wrong. Poetic justice FTW.

        • deuce bag poster

          Actually, I should write a book called, “What really happened”.

          I’d make a fortune.

        • nathan

          Isnt Cash$$ too classy for that

      • Mike HC

        I didn’t say that it was not one sided. Just entertaining to read Torre’s clearly vindictive thoughts about his tenure with the Yanks. It was entertaining to me. Just his side to the story.

  • JohnnyC

    Verducci deserves a lot of blame here as well. Even more than Torre, you can tell he really wanted to give it to the Yankees, the Steinbrenners, and the front office. No coincidence, Verducci grew up a Mets fan.

    • deuce bag poster

      That book was really written by Verducci with numerous quotes from Torre mixed in.

      A lot of the blame that Torre supposedly doled out was really doled out by Verducci. Of course, Torre is just as culpable because his name is on the book and he didn’t object to anything written in it.

      • nathan

        Torre had to agree with everything that Verducci wrote.

        Their 2006 story about ARod was even more damning. It was a window into the world of Torre and what happens to non-believers and non-members of the Torre circle.

        • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

          The 2006 story was unacceptable and they should have let Torre go right then. Throwing a player under a bus like that AGAIN was despicable.

          We all know that Alex is a weird guy, but if Torre was so good at “managing egos” he should have been able to identify and work around that. When he actually had to start “managing egos” I think we saw he wasn’t so good at it.

          Frankly the he best thing about dropping A-Rod to 8th in the batting order was putting Sheffield, who was hitting just as bad in the limited sample he was working with in the cleanup spot. That is what made it a punishment, and it just came off as childish and vindictive. There is no room for that behavior on the bench of an MLB team.

    • Rex Manning Day

      That book would have been a non-story without Torre’s name on the front.

      Verducci may have made it more incendiary, and he undoubtedly prodded Torre into letting them publish that stuff, but at the end of the day, Verducci saying those things doesn’t mean anything. Verducci saying those things in a book under Torre’s name means something.

      As far as I’m concerned, Torre’s name makes everything in the book his responsibility, regardless of who literally wrote it. Torre authorized it, Torre signed his name to it, Torre gets the fault for it.

  • steve s

    I am not a big fan of the way Torre left the Yanks and his decision to write that book was a bad one. On the other hand it would be a further travesty for the Yanks not to eventually recognize what he contributed to the history and ultimate $ucce$$ of the team (just check out the attendance pre-Torre and during the Torre years which went to levels that were unheard of and unattainable in any other period of Yankee history).

    • nathan

      I would think the attendance was more to do with the great team the Yanks had than to watch who was in the dugout. Or are we to credit the Core-4′s success to Torre’s too?

      • http://twitter.com/BrienJackson Brien Jackson

        Also, a huge upswing in the local economy probably didn’t hurt.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I agree. Torre should be welcomed back to the stadium with “Joe Torre Day”, where his #6 gets hung in Monument Park.

      2025 sounds about right.

      • http://oldranger7.blogspot.com Ken (O.R.)

        TSJC…you say:
        I agree. Torre should be welcomed back to the stadium with “Joe Torre Day”, where his #6 gets hung in Monument Park.
        2025 sounds about right.

        You are joking I hope! :)
        I can’t believe you would be in favor of such a move! The guy was a loser before the Yankees and has been one after the Yankees. He was in the right place at the right time with the Yankees…hell, with those teams (put together by Buck Showalter/Cashman), you or any one of us could have won. It’s not like he had many injuries (except those he made…pitchers), to work around…just make a line-up and copy it 161 times.

    • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

      Are you serious about the attendance? Why don’t you go look at when the largest spike happened and see who joined the Yankees that season.

  • Mondoas

    “He meant too much to the organization over the years for them to forever snub him

    Shouldn’t that have gone both ways? The organization should have meant a lot to him and he should have not made negative statements about the players and the rest of the Yankees’ hierarchy. With that being said, I do not miss “Bigelow Tea Man” at all and never have!!