Jun
05

Open Thread: Losing with your best pitcher still in the bullpen

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Mo had plenty of time to sign autographs from the 8th through 14th innings. (Photo Credit: Kathy Willens, AP)

I don’t know what’s more frustrating, losing a game in extra innings when Mariano Rivera didn’t pitch because he was being held back for a stupid statistic, or Mark Teixeira for doing his best Jeff Francoeur impression. Probably the latter, because the former has been happening for years.

Anyway, here’s your open thread for the night. There’s a game on MLB Network for you to watch, but which one apparently depends on where you live. It’s Saturday though, go out and do something you won’t remember.

Categories : Open Thread
  • stuart

    texiera has been terrible this season. his RBI’s are a mirage. He gets so many damn opptys.

    can the guy not swing at a offspeed in the dirt once???????

    gaudin stinks, he should be mop up only. Before it occured I said go with Mitre. Not sure the result would be different but gaudan cannot get guys out. he puts so many guys on base. Why is he on the team????There must be a reason I just cannot figure it out…..

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      He’s on the team because no veteran who’s better than him would sign up for that role, and no young player/prospect who’s better than him should be wasted in that role.

      • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

        And Mitre threw 34 pitches over 2 innings yesterday.

  • Carlosologist

    I hope this is rock bottom for Teixeira. He has to start improving at some point.

  • j

    Jeter
    Swisher
    A-Rod
    Cano
    Posada
    Granderson
    Teixeira
    Cervelli
    Gardner
    …until Teixeira actually starts to hit

    • Tom Zig

      Don’t bother moving him up and down the lineup. I’m not a fan of doing that to legit players. Just bench him for 2-3 days like they did with A-Rod last year and call it a day.

    • OldYanksFan

      Let’s not insult the guy. How about trying switching him and Cano… and see if that does anything.

      • Tom Zig

        Jeter
        Swish
        A-rod
        Cano
        Tex
        Fill in the rest

        Maybe? Nah. Just bench him.

        • j

          Even that 1-5 would be ok with me. Or if temporarily benching him works, then great. But the way Tex is going he can not bat 3rd because the team needs production from that spot.

      • Brad Toughy

        I think we’re past the point where he should be insulted. He’s been absolutely awful this year. It’s kind of insulting to fans that he continues to bat third with this type of performance.

        • http://twitter.com/marcos_aguirre Marcos

          Exactly, if you’re not producing you shouldn’t feel insulted about getting benched/moved down. I’m sure if Jete ever had such a bad season, he’d probably even ask Joe to bump him down.

          • Chris

            Tex’s season line: .221/.336/.380

            On May 22, Jeter’s season line was .267/.313/.385 and they didn’t bench him or move him down in the order. Since then (12 games, 55PA), he’s hitting .429/.491/.571. Just like Jeter came around, Tex will come around. And when he does it will be fast and he’ll be red hot. I’ll take the struggles at the top of the order now to make sure that I get the rebound at the top of the order as well.

            • http://twitter.com/marcos_aguirre Marcos

              He was batting 46 points higher, that’s a lot.
              I’m not advocating benching Tex for the remainder of the year either, just for a few days until he turns it around (which he will eventually). Plus, Jeter was batting well during the beginning of the season and had flashed some good streaks, Tex hasn’t done either of those things.

              • Tom Zig

                For the record I only said to bench Tex for a couple days, like they did to A-Rod last year.

                • poster

                  I agree with you.

        • Connor Mercurio

          how is that “insulting” to a fan?

  • Carlosologist

    It’s Saturday though, go out and do something you won’t remember.

    Done. It all happened last night.

  • Carlosologist

    Here’s some perspective: The Phillies got a leadoff triple from Shane Victorino and the following batters grounded out and struck out. And they say the Yankees have trouble scoring runs.

    • http://twitter.com/marcos_aguirre Marcos

      Well, we do have some trouble scoring runs lately, the Phillies CAN’T score runs, very different situation.

  • Eirias

    Heard a radio interview earlier. Jim Thome sounds NOTHING like I expected him to after years of reading The Dugout.

    • MikeD

      What did he sound like, or what were you expecting?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

    I had no idea Bagwell was doing games for the Astros.

  • JPM

    Complaining about Mariano not pitching makes no sense to me. It presupposes that no one else in the bullpen could get through that inning meaning that if Mariano was used the Yankees were doomed anyway since using him would only delay The Blue Jays winning off Gaudin.

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      What? Using Mariano would’ve pushed Gaudin to the 15th or 16th, and the Yankees could’ve scored in either of those innings.

      • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

        Not to mention by the time Gaudin comes in an inning or two later, he’d be presumably facing different hitters and/or in a different situation.

        • Tom Zig

          If Mo goes 1-2-3, Gaudin would be facing Lind, Wells and Bautista.

    • Little Bill

      It gives them the best shot of extending the game and getting another shot to win. What if they score 5 runs the next inning?

    • steve (do)

      It makes sense, but it’s a bit misplaced today imo. They played 14 innings and did not score in 13 of them. The offense lost the game. Period.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        It’s actually Pettitte’s fault.

        /Sweeney Murti’d

        Please tell me I’m not just being blinded by my love for him in that today’s loss was really not on him at all.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

          If he threw a shut-out all other things equal the Yankees win.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            Of course, you have a point, but can you really complain about 7 2/3 IP, 2 R? The Yankees average 5.50 runs per game.

            Also, he was third in WPA on the team, behind Park and Robertson.

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

              I was being facetious.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                Heh. Thought it might have been but I was unsure and I’m terrible at reading sarcasm on the internet.

                • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

                  I probably should have said that he should pitch to the score like Jack Morris.

    • Tom Zig

      I agree. Say we do score a run that next inning, Gaudin could very likely give up 2. Especially with Lind, Wells, and Bautista due up (presupposing Mo has a 1-2-3 inning).

      • poster

        Yes, but in the situation we have now, we KNOW that the game has been lost. What if the Yankees score ten runs the top of the next inning. Unlikely? Yes. Impossible? No.

        However, with Mo not having been used, we KNOW that we lose in this situation because it’s happened.

  • P. Allen

    I wouldn’t switch cano and tex. Cano has been unbelievable in the 5th spot and you don’t want to mess with that just to get Tex going for a few games. If you move tex, swap him with posada or granderson for a few game expirement. can’t blame not using mariano, just delays the inevitable in this game, which is on the offense and their inepitude.

    • poster

      I can’t say it delays the inevitable because the end result was not inevitable. Not using Mariano in times like this was inexcusable in the past, inexcusable today, and will be inexcusable in the future. You can’t let your best available pitcher rot in the bullpen for the entirety of a fourteen inning game.

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    Heathcott/Murphy as the Riverdogs 1/2 hitters is freaking amazing!

    Heathcott: 2 for 2, 2 runs, 1 BB and a stolen base

    Murphy: 2 for 3, 1 run, 2 doubles, 2 RBI

    I don’t want to spoil myself, so I’m staying away from our minor league teams until the DOTF later.

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    Daniel Bard just through a 91 mph change up according to GameDay…. what?

    • Johan Iz My Brohan

      threw*

  • poster

    I decided to have nothing to do with the game until the encore was over, because I wanted to see it live. As a result, I just figured out we lost, like, now. My take: This proves that the Yankees are, in the end, still in a slump. They got fat off the shitty teams but when they face a half-decent opponent their bats go completely quiet again and all the old problems show up.

    One reason to take heart: bullpen.

    That being said, I still consider this a slump.

  • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

    Hey Axisa, know anything about Mike Olt from UConn? Being an alum I’ve been following them in the NCAAs a little and the word from the corpse of the Hartford Courant is that he’s got a huge bat.

    • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

      did some digging on my own. Seems like a 2nd or 3rd rounder with the most optimistic scouts putting him as a poorer hitting Ryan Zimmerman, but possibly with more pop. Just from the reports I’ve been reading, seems like a Mark Reynolds type to me.

      Vid: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......id=8080130

      2nd round option for Yanks, Mike?

  • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

    Anyone remember who Swisher called “fat boy” last year? I’m pretty sure it was an AL East guy (Rays? Jays? O’s) but I can’t remember who. Google isn’t being very helpful.

    • Seamus

      I think it was Orioles pitcher Matt Albers if I remember correctly.

  • Gatemouth

    “He’s our 3 hitter,” Girardi said. “We haven’t talked about changing anything. And when he was on fire in the month of May, no one was saying anything. He’ll get hot again.”

    Tex is gonna rake soon unless he’s hurt and I know Girardi is in a tough spot but let’s take it easy with “when he was on fire in the month of May”. He had his moments in May but was closer to “black hole” than “on fire”.

    • poster

      It wasn’t “on fire”, but he was definitely closer in May to “on fire” than “black hole”.

      • Gatemouth

        True. You’re right, I just checked the numbers. I guess it just felt like “black hole”

  • jair

    I just want to say something brief because it does not change the order to the bat to texeira or do something soon with the one out every time that goes to bat seems rule please do something soon

  • gabegee

    Girardi should move Teixeira in the lineup to 6th behind Posada and move Cano to 3rd. He is wasying too many socring opportunities. I know he’ll get his swing back but until such time happens, he should bat 6th.

  • Gary

    Just a matter of time maybe days until Gaudin is DFA’d.

    • poster

      I’ll disagree. He’ll need several more bad performances before that happens, we just got him.