Jul
30

Yanks in on Lilly, asked about Theriot

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Despite making two moves already on Friday, the Yankees remain interested in former Yank and current Cub Ted Lilly according to Jayson Stark. They also asked Chicago about infielder Ryan Theriot. While the Yankees could always use another starter to fill in while Andy Pettitte is injured, I’m not sure Lilly is the answer. His already-low velocity has disappeared following offseason shoulder surgery, and his defense independent pitching stats are well into the 4.00’s. Thankfully it looks like he’s heading to the Dodgers.

As for Theriot, while he would represent an upgrade over Ramiro Pena, it wouldn’t be a huge one. His offensive performance has decreased for three straight years, bottoming out at a .292 wOBA this season. He’s also nothing to write home about defensively with negative UZR‘s across the board, and there’s about a million bucks left on his deal for this year. Yes, he’s an upgrade over Pena, but so is just about anyone.

Categories : Asides, Trade Deadline
  • whitey

    No thanks on both players

  • mikebk

    let’s hope buster is right and lilly is about to be in la

  • http://twitter.com/j_yankees2213 j_Yankees

    Heard this: Buster says the Dodgers are close on Lilly.

    no, that is not the news…the news is he did in ONE tweet!!!

    • BigBlueAL

      Im thinking if he didnt start every tweet with “Heard this:” he might be able to write everything down in 1 tweet more often.

      • http://twitter.com/j_yankees2213 j_Yankees

        meh…he had a damn 7 part tweet yesterday and it didn’t start with “heard this”

  • Esteban

    What are you talking about?! Theriot’s great, he’s batting .285

    /living 40 years ago

  • Chris

    Lilly wouldn’t be bad as a fill in starter and then shift to the pen as a lefty specialist when Pettitte comes back.

    Looking at his splits, Lilly has 0 BB against lefties this year.

    • mustang

      This.

  • Grandy

    I would prefer a Cubs RP like Marshall or Marmol, but that won’t happen.

    • Steve O.

      I doubt it. They’re both better than Capps, and look what Capps brought in. I wouldn’t expect any great reliever to be aquired based on these asking prices.

  • jeff

    Theriot is pretty bad overall, but it’s not fair to say he’s bad defensively. Looking at half a season’s worth of UZR doesn’t tell us much. He’s been slightly above average at SS for his career and very good at 2B (still a pretty small sample). That means he’d probably be good at 3B also.

    Not saying I want him, just nitpicking.

  • Carlosologist

    Fun day of acquisitions, no? Berkman and Kearns. I would like to see if they can get some pen help before later today.

    • mikebk

      pen help seems very costly right now. rather bring up nova and give him a shot in the pen. also have sanchez down there.

  • http://WayneD WayneD

    Ted Lilly! Are you $#@* kidding me? Is Cashman drunk, high, or insane? Ted Lilly in the AL East will make Chan Homerun Park look like Cy Young.

    What in the world is Cashman smoking this year in terms of his FA signings and trades. He has one good trade (Vazquez), one fair-to-mediocre FA signing (Thames), and three indefensible FA signings:

    1) Randy Winn couldn’t hit in the NL anymore, so Cashman signs him to play in the superior AL and Winn changes his last name to Loser.

    2) Cashman signs Nick Johnson, the keeper of the Disabled List, and (surprise, surprise!) he ends up on the DL for, I believe, the 11th time in 10 years. Who could have guessed? The answer: anyone with the brains to realize 10 trips to the DL in 9 years is NOT a coincidence.

    3) Chan Homerun Park, yet another NL pitcher who’s decent against AAA hitters in the NL, but pretty much stinks in the AL.

    And now we get a balky-kneed Lance Berkman who can’t hit .250 anymore in the NL, and whose power has dropped dramatically this year. On top of that:

    1) He’s never DH’d on a regular basis.

    2) He’s never played in the AL, so there’s at least a 50-50 chance he’ll hit even less now.

    3) He’s never played in a big market, and he may not be able to handle the pressure of NYC.

    This signing, frankly makes as little sense as the aforementioned off-season FA signings.

    Cashman has failed on every major signing and trade that could have made us unstoppable this year, such as trading for Lee or Doc or even Dunn for DH, instead of Berkman.

    We can still win it all this year, but this easily has been Cashman’s worst year as a GM. He’s been out maneuvered by every GM he’s gone up against this year, with the exception of the Vazquez deal.

    • Steve O.

      I’ll have what he’s having.

    • Anthony Murillo

      Oh geez

    • Carlosologist

      Because a half season defines a GM’s track record.

      • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

        Don’t forget too that it’s half a season of having the best record in the game also. This guy, WayneD, is full of shit. If he hates the Yankees so much, why’s he proclaim to be a fan of the team?

        • Carlosologist

          He’s too ashamed to admit he’s a Mets fan?

          • Steve O.

            Maybe he’s the lone Astros-Royals-Pirates-Orioles-Mets-Mariners-Natinals fan on the planet, and would rather be pissed at other teams GM’s than his own.

        • Zack

          I love how he mentioned Javy as a “good trade”, because 2 months ago you know he was screaming about Javy being an NL pitcher and not handling NY.

          • http://WayneD WayneD

            I NEVER said the Jazy trade was a bad one. You must be thinking of someone else’s comments.

            • Zack

              Based on level of your bitching about a bench player and a middle reliever, I’m willing to bet you were bitching about Javy too. It’s an educated assumption.

              By the way, being “out bid” for a player is not the same as being out-maneuvered.

        • http://WayneD WayneD

          I LOVE the Yankees. In fact, I was a reporter in the Bronx when Thurman dies and I was the reporter who proposed (and got) a street named for Munson. (The paper was the Bronx News.)

          You can disagree with my opinions, but I’m as big a Yankee fan as anyone in America.

          And how, exactly, am I “full of shit”?

          Are you saying the Winn signing was a good one?

          Are you saying the Johnson signing worked out?

          Are you saying Chan Homerun Park has been an effective middle reliever (7 HRs in 35.1 innings)?

          Are you saying Cashman WASN’T outmaneuvered by Texas on the Lee trade?

          Are you saying Cashman WASN’T outmaneuvered by Phillie on the Doc trade?

          Are you saying Dunn wouldn’t be a better DH than Berkman?

          I’m ticked at Cashman because I want him to suceed in getting us # 28, and he hasn’t done a good job this year. But, as I said, we could easily still win it this year, but that doesn’t change the fact that Cashman has not done a good job this year.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            So he could do a bad job and they could still win the World Series? And that makes sense to you?

            • http://WayneD WayneD

              Of course he could do a bad job and they could still win, because the guys they already had (other than Javy) are the ones getting it done. Not the new guys.

              Cashman did a great job when he got us Swisher. And he did a great job in signing Tex and CC a year ago.

              But he has not had a good year on FA signings and trades this year, other than the Javy trade. Has he?

              • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                Stop beating a strawman trade drum. He hasn’t gotten aced out of trades by GMs out to outmaneuver him. That’s just wrong. Wrong.

              • mustang

                But this:
                “Cashman did a great job when he got us Swisher. And he did a great job in signing Tex and CC a year ago.” and getting Javy has taken this team to a 65-37 record.

                All is forgiven Cash go on boy.

            • mustang

              Yes, because all the things that happen before this year really don’t count.

              Wow and guys have issues with me.

              LOL

          • http://twitter.com/j_yankees2213 j_Yankees

            Good MO Almighty have mercy on this lost soul.

          • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

            The Winn signing was a nothing. He was signed as a $1 million bench player and it didn’t work out. Happens all the time. Who would you have signed? And why are you getting bent out of shape about it? It’s not like they signed Winn and didn’t sign some other player.

            The Johnson signing was a bad one. That’s your one valid complaint. It was a risky signing, and the Yanks got burned. They weren’t going to sign Damon or Matsui at the same price, and no one knew Vlad was going to have a monster season. My hindsight is fantastic too.

            Chan Ho Park isn’t pitching high leverage innings and hasn’t cost the Yanks much. He’s also making $1 million and will soon be cut. Cashman wasn’t out-manuevered by Texas. As anyone reading the coverage knows, he was screwed over by the Mariners and Jack Zduriencik. Your point about Halladay is a non-starter because the Yanks weren’t in on Halladay and the asking price for an intra-division trade was going to be way higher than what the Blue Jays got.

            As for Dunn-Berkman, again, same thing. The Yankees know the asking price and don’t believe it’s worth it for two months of a player not significantly better than Berkman. Why would you buy high on a player not worth the upgrade?

            The Yankees have the best record in baseball and among the best pitching in the game. If you refuse to credit the team’s General Manager for the club’s success, I don’t know what else to tell you. The Yankees are where they are tonight because their GM has put together the best club in the game. In Fantasyland, he could do better, and we’re not always going to agree with his decisions. But refusing to give him credit just reeks of nostalgia for players who aren’t having good seasons and would have been overpaid in the Bronx.

          • Steve O.

            So I guess you actually are a Yankee “fan.”

            If you don’t mind me asking, how would you feel if you were a fan of one or more of Astros-Royals-Pirates-Orioles-Mets-Mariners-Natinals?

            I’m just curious.

            • http://WayneD WayneD

              I’ve communicated on and off with a Pirates fan (nice guy) and said I sympathise with how tough it is for small market teams and I truly appreciate how lucky we Yankee fans are to have the financial strength to contend every year.

              But like most Yankee fans, I want us to win it every year we reasonable have a chance to do it. And let’s face it, with Cap, Mo, Posada, etc. getting up there in years, we might not have too many chances left to win it all, so I hate to miss out on something like the Lee trade, which could have sealed the deal this year and (possibly) next year.

              As far as people saying Cashman wasn’t outmaneuvered on the Lee trade, I agree that Seattle used us, but that’s what GMs are supposed to do to improve their teams . . . and it’s Cashman’s job to make sure he doesn’t get used and gets the job done, which he didn’t do on the Lee trade.

              The Texas GM got the deal done, which is his job. Cashman didn’t get the job done, which means the Texas GM outmaneuvered him (or whatever you want to call it when you loose out on something you want.

              Is there any question in anyone’s mind whether the Yankees would be virtually unstoppable with a rotation headed by CC and Lee. 28 would be in the bag, barring major injuries.

              • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                The Texas GM got the deal done, which is his job. Cashman didn’t get the job done, which means the Texas GM outmaneuvered him (or whatever you want to call it when you loose out on something you want.

                It’s called getting screwed over by another team, not outmanuevered. It’s why other teams are now hesitant to deal with Seattle. The deal was in place, and they backed out. Is Cashman supposed to know ahead of time he’s going to get dicked over? You’re expecting him to have ESP. That’s unreasonable.

                • http://WayneD WayneD

                  The definition of outmaneuver is

                  to “evade (an opponent) by moving faster or with greater agility” or

                  to “use skill and cunning to secure an advantage over (someone)”

                  which is what happened to the Yankees in the Lee trade.

                  So, yes, Cashman was outmaneuvered on Lee, unless you want to change the definition of outmaneuver.

                  • mbonzo

                    “Is there any question in anyone’s mind whether the Yankees would be virtually unstoppable with a rotation headed by CC and Lee. 28 would be in the bag, barring major injuries.”
                    I hate to break this out but Baseball IS unpredictable. No matter how many times you’ve been told the Yankees buy World Series, it is impossible to have one “in the bag.” You’re basically saying that Cashman should have offered the whole farm system to Seattle, if thats what it took, to land Lee. I am glad you’re not my GM because while we have a great chance to win our 28th WS, with the team we have now we still have the best team in baseball and 3 great prospects that will help us win our 29+ WS titles.

              • Steve O.

                Baseball can be a bitch sometimes. On any day, aces can pitch like AAAA guys, and AAAA guys can pitch like aces.

                Having Lee in the rotation help out a lot. It does, it really does. What does it ensure? Nothing. Nothing at all. Lee can be had for money and a draft pick in the offseason. Keeping Montero will help this club afford other players while he’s making the minimum. What I’m saying is that nothing ensures a championship. Nothing.

                You’ve got to have a balance between present and future. Which you do not. Making all these superfluous trades will deplete the farm while adding a small percentage to the teams chances of winning. There’s a difference between making changes to help the team and overkill.

                They’re already favorites. No need to make drastic changes.

                Oh, and Cash doesn’t get played.

              • Brien Jackson

                This is so stupid I can barely even begin to describe it. Of course Texas “got the job done,” THEY HAD THE PLAYER SEATTLE WANTED! And the dynamic was just not the same; by getting Smoak, Seattle simultaneously made themselves better AND weakened a division rival in the long run. Cashman already put Montero on the table, but Seattle wanted Smoak. How was Cashman supposed to make Seattle change their mind short of offering the world for a rental?

          • mustang

            “we could easily still win it this year”

            Everything else I could careless about

          • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

            Are you saying Cashman WASN’T outmaneuvered by Phillie on the Doc trade?

            Not to keep beating this dead horse, but you yourself said Montero wasn’t worth Halladay. Remember this?

            • Zack

              Someone who wanted to take Wells’ contract is calling out Cashman? Wow.

              • http://WayneD WayneD

                Wells: 20 HRs 31 doubles, 1 triple, and a .270 BA this year.

                Yea, I’d take that in the DH Nick Johnson or Lance Berkman.

                • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                  Again, you don’t have a time machine. No one in the right mind would have guessed Vernon Wells would have a semi-decent season.

                  And anyway, since early June, Wells is hitting .224/.279/.382. Let’s see where he finishes the season. It won’t be anything close to his contract value.

                  Why do you hate Lance Berkman so much? Because of his batting average? Please.

                  • http://WayneD WayneD

                    I don’t hate Berkman, he was ONCE a great player, but he appears to be done, which is why I don’t want him or (more accurately) why I would prefer someone else, like Dunn.

                    And, yes, I realize Dunn would cost a lot more, but guys who hit about 40 HRs and walk a lot generally do cost more.

                    As far as the “time machine” remark is concerned, I was responding to SOMEONE ELSE’S observation that I was in favor in taking on Wells’ contract LAST WINTER (for a nobody prospect). But Wells wasn’t my first choice; he was about third or fourth choice.

                    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                      guys who hit about 40 HRs and walk a lot generally do cost more.

                      Adam Dunn’s OBP: .364
                      Adam Dunn’s walk rate: 1 per 9.09 PAs

                      Lance Berkman’s OBP: .372
                      Lance Berkman’s walk rate: 1 per 4.97 PAs.

                      Both will be on the team for only 2+ months before becoming free agents. The upgrade in value is marginal and isn’t worth the higher cost for a DH rental.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  .236 AVG with a .277 OBP since May 10th. He had a hot April. Big whoop.

                • Zack

                  Wells: 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M

            • http://WayneD WayneD

              Yes, I don’t want to lose Montero, but that doesn’t mean you can’t get the deal done with other players.

              This looks like a moot point though, since the Yankees have now offered Montero to multiple teams, so it seems a safe bet that he’s going to be traded at some point for somebody.

              It appears the Yankees (rightly or wrongly, only time will tell) are convinced he won’t make it as a catcher in MLB. I think they could be wrong. Nettles, for example, was a pretty bad defensive 3B when we got him (about 35 errors the year before, if I remember correctly). But he worked at his defense & became one of the best ever . . . so you never know.

              • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                More revisionist history from you. Montero has been offered to one team, and that’s because the Yankees are madly in love with Cliff Lee. One team. That doesn’t make them intent on trading him. You seem to enjoy rewriting recent Yankee history to fit your narrative. It doesn’t work that way.

                • http://WayneD WayneD

                  No, not one team. Montero was offered to Toronto for Doc and Seattle for Lee. And there were a couple of reports on foxsports.com that he was being “dangled” for other players.

                  Also, mlbtraderumors.com has had at least one or more posting in which they’ve said the Yankees had let other GMs know that they were willing to consider moving Montero in a trade.

                  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                    I think Ben meant this year, but Montero getting offered for two of the game’s elite pitchers is hardly a sign they’re trying to dump him.

                  • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                    Montero was offered, straight up, for Halladay. The Blue Jays wanted to quantity over quality.

                    You’re cherry picking two of the premier pitchers in baseball. When Montero is being offered for every two-bit Tom, Dick or Harry, then we can talk about the Yanks’ willingness to move Montero. The Soria rumor that you saw on MLB Trade Rumors was bunk.

            • http://twitter.com/tjamato T.J.

              The best part was the rant about Josh Johnson.

              It was crazy and this year well I think Johnson’s 2.27 FIP and 9.30 K/9 speak for themselves.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                Seriously. Holy crap, what’d Josh Johnson do to that guy.

                But I guess it’s good to know if the Marlins make the playoffs Berkman hit .500 off him last year with a homer!

              • http://WayneD WayneD

                Those are NL stats. He wouldn’t do anything close to that in the AL East.

                Look at Carlos Silva: a 6.46 ERA and an 8.60 ERA in the AL. He goes over to the NL and pitches all-star caliber ball: 10-4 and a 3.76 ERA.

                The NL is vastly inferior to the AL.

                And, as I pointed out last winter, JJ did poorly against the Phillies and virtually every really good hitter in the NL.

                That wasn’t a rant it was facts and statistics. The fact that you don’t agree with those stats doesn’t make the stating of those facts a rant. They’re statistical facts.

                We won’t know if JJ is really that good until he plays in the AL or the NL drastically improves (up to the AL level).

      • Steve O.

        You can’t reason with terriosts.

    • http://twitter.com/j_yankees2213 j_Yankees

      oh dear.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Are you serious? This has “easily been Cashman’s worst year as a GM,” and the Yankees still have the best record in baseball. I’m sure you could do better, WayneD, right?

      • http://twitter.com/j_yankees2213 j_Yankees

        What’s this? A-Rod to DH, Albert Pujols to 3B?

        /WayneD Force Trade on MLB 10 The Show’d

      • Bxbomber

        Guys, we define success in the postseason, not by WL records in July. I said last offseason, we’d be just fine in the regular season, but the playoffs will determine whether letting Damon/Matsui go was a wise move. Yeah I’m still on that.

        Right now, the only reason Cashman isn’t getting slaughtered for letting Damon/Matsui walk is because Swisher and Gardner have played better than anyone hoped for. Not a single soul thought we’d get this production out of them this year, don’t lie now. Randy Winn was an atrocity. Granderson? Nicky J? Complete wastes. That OBP sure is sexy now right?

        • Steve O.

          Are you and WayneD at the same bar?

        • http://WayneD WayneD

          Bxbomber, I think there were only about five of us that said the NJ signing was a disaster in Nov-Dec.

          We got blasted for saying so, but we were correct in worrying about NJ’s ability to get through an entire season.

          I was also in favor in keeping Matsui or Damon on a one year deal.

          You’re right about Swisher and Gardner; they’ve been great this year, better than any of us could have rightly expected.

          I was in favor of the Grandy deal, even though I hated giving up AJ, because AJ was supposedly a year away from being ready to play in the big leagues, but his .311 BA and great D indicate otherwise.

          • Carlosologist

            Jackson’s .311 batting average is fueled by a sky-high .431 BABIP. He’s striking out in nearly a quarter of his ABs and cannot walk to save his life.

            • http://WayneD WayneD

              AJ’s speed (like Gardner’s speed) is a major factor in his .431 BABIP, so his BABIP isn’t a total fluke: speed is a major part of his game. Like Garner, AJ gets hits on balls other guys would be out on.

              You’re right, JJ does strike out far too much, but he’s young enough to overcome that in time.

              JJ’s walks will go up and his strike outs will go down when (and if) he learns to be more selective. Look at how much Garber has improved as a hitter this year, for example. He’s more selective now. AJ may well improve as rapidly as Gardner . . . or he won’t, but that’s baseball. But you gotta love AJ’s potential and his CF range.

              • http://WayneD WayneD

                Sorry about the JJ AJ typos.

              • Zack

                Yet, Gardner’s BABIP is .348, 83 points less than Ajax.

                .431 is a fluke for any player, it’s unsustainable.

          • Steve O.

            Hindsight is also a bitch. Everyone was aware of Nick Johnson’s medicals, not just you. Matsui is terrible and has bad knees. Damon wanted a two-year deal, and was(and still is) declining fast. It was a “pick your poision” choice, and the Yanks got burned. It happens.

            Blaming Cash for bringing in a productive player is stupid. Now if he brought in a non-productive player on a fat contract, then you can get mad at him. Injuries happen, nothing you can do about it.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Awesome

      Except you forgot to complain about Phil Coke.

    • http://www.twitter.com/astrophunq Dax J.

      Can you name those GMs that out-maneuvered Cashman? Also, can you name the moves they made?

      If you talk about the Cliff Lee trade, you can’t blame Cashman for trying. He offered Montero and a package, and Seattle balked at that offer. Minnesota? Changed Wilson Ramos for MATT CAPPS. Amaro trading for Oswalt? Making up for some bad moves he made. You want to whine about the fact that he didn’t trade for Dunn? Find out what Washington is asking for him. It’s not ridiculous, but it’s not something I don’t think Cashman is willing to part with.

      I say Berkman is a good trade and we basically gave up nothing.

    • mustang

      WOW……. the team is 65-37.

      Hummm….sorry I guess

    • Zack

      I love how a bench player and middle reliever are “indefnsible FA signings”

      • http://WayneD WayneD

        Did they help us or hurt us?

        Winn was AWFUL. He couldn’t hit and he couldn’t field.

        NJ screwed up our lineup by going on the DL (as usual). We would have been better off with either Matsui or Damon at DH.

        And our greatest weakness this year has been our middle relief, so, yes, the Park signing has hurt us.

        All three of those signings were indefensible because there was considerable evidence that they would fail in the AL (i.e., Winn couldn’t hit in the NL; NJ is Mr. DL with 11 trips in 10 years now; and Park is just an NL-caliber pitcher).

        • http://www.twitter.com/astrophunq Dax J.

          Like good ol’ TSCJ did with SBGL… OPERATION: SHUTDOWN

        • Zack

          So what bench OF would you have signed instead?
          And what MR would you have signed instead? You want to pay Brandon Lyon 3yrs/15m?

          Damon wasn’t an option at DH, dude started negotiations with 3yrs/60m, Cash negotiated him down, but Damon has publically said he wasn’t taking a 50% pay cut. So Cashman should have just paid him 10m because thats what Damon wanted?

          Yeah Matsui is having a better season than NJ, his OPS is also .752, if he was here you’d be bitching about that.

    • rbizzler

      I am really digging WayneD.com. Just a great, great site.

      • JLew

        It’s malware.

    • Carlosologist

      OK, I’ll bite.

      Ted Lilly! Are you $#@* kidding me? Is Cashman drunk, high, or insane? Ted Lilly in the AL East will make Chan Homerun Park look like Cy Young.

      Ted Lilly, though not one who blows up the radar gun, is a fine wine lefty like Andy Pettitte. He’s a guy who can mix pitches and be effective. I’m not advocating dealing for Lilly, but calling Cashman “drunk, high, or insane” is a bit irrational.

      What in the world is Cashman smoking this year in terms of his FA signings and trades. He has one good trade (Vazquez), one fair-to-mediocre FA signing (Thames), and three indefensible FA signings:

      Cashman made another good trade in the offseason. The Granderson trade was IMO the second best deal of last winter. We bought low and got an affordable CF who was likely to rebound this season. We did the same when we got Nick Swisher for a bag of baseballs. Swish rebounded with a typical Swisher season last season and broke out this year. Also, half a season isn’t a good way to justify a trade like the Granderson deal. Now to the bullet points…

      1) Randy Winn couldn’t hit in the NL anymore, so Cashman signs him to play in the superior AL and Winn changes his last name to Loser.

      Randy Winn was signed by the Yankees to be a late inning defensive replacement and occasional spot starter. He was only pushed into regular duty when Granderson got injured and Gardner moved into CF. Bench signings aren’t supposed to be brand names.

      2) Cashman signs Nick Johnson, the keeper of the Disabled List, and (surprise, surprise!) he ends up on the DL for, I believe, the 11th time in 10 years. Who could have guessed? The answer: anyone with the brains to realize 10 trips to the DL in 9 years is NOT a coincidence.

      The Johnson signing was a low-risk, high-upside deal. The upside was .400 OBP two-hole hitter who could set the table for Teixeira, Rodriguez, and Cano. Johnson looked to be healthy, so Cash bit and brought him on. Not his fault that he injured his wrist.

      3) Chan Homerun Park, yet another NL pitcher who’s decent against AAA hitters in the NL, but pretty much stinks in the AL.

      I can agree with you on this one. Park’s signing was questionable but I saw it as a depth move to improve an already strong relief unit.

      And now we get a balky-kneed Lance Berkman who can’t hit .250 anymore in the NL, and whose power has dropped dramatically this year. On top of that:

      1) He’s never DH’d on a regular basis.

      2) He’s never played in the AL, so there’s at least a 50-50 chance he’ll hit even less now.

      3) He’s never played in a big market, and he may not be able to handle the pressure of NYC.

      1) Doesn’t really matter in my opinion. Puma can DH and still give us a quality half season.

      2) Lance Berkman’s career numbers vs AL teams (711 PA): .295/.390/.511/.901 OPS

      3) Professional athletes have to go through a lot of shit to play their sport at an elite level, as Berkman has done for ten seasons. Berkman should be able to handle the city.

      This signing, frankly makes as little sense as the aforementioned off-season FA signings.

      Cashman has failed on every major signing and trade that could have made us unstoppable this year, such as trading for Lee or Doc or even Dunn for DH, instead of Berkman.

      We can still win it all this year, but this easily has been Cashman’s worst year as a GM. He’s been out maneuvered by every GM he’s gone up against this year, with the exception of the Vazquez deal.

      Two things: This isn’t a signing, it’s a trade. Cashman went after Halladay because we had an excellent, World Series winning rotation and he tried to improve it. Adding Halladay would have made the team better, but it wasn’t necessary. Same with Lee. Mike Rizzo is asking for the moon for Dunn. It is wise of Cashman not to give up the farm system for a DH. He gave up a reliever and a Low-A player for a quality bat.

      As I said in my first post, it is simply ridiculous to assess Brian Cashman’s general managing career on a half season in which they have their best record. Cashman is one of the best GMs in the business. Why do you think the Steinbrenners have kept him for twelve seasons. Under Cashman, they have won four World Series titles, eight AL East titles and a Wild Card. That is a track record any organization would dream to have.

      OK, I’m done.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        Holy crap Carlosologist, you’re the most awesome like 10-year-old ever.

        • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

          Kids these days.

        • Carlosologist

          But I’m 14 ;_;

          • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

            The sad part is that based on his autobiography, WayneD is at least 50 and you are infinitely more logical than him. Bexy is just trying to sound like a cool senior to the freshman, don’t mind her.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

              Haha. I just meant that Carlosologist is pretty darn young and is still really awesome.

              • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

                Yeah yeah, haze the freshman. Next thing we’re gonna lock him in a room “Clockwork Orange” style and show Andy Pettitte highlights on a loop.

                • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

                  And don’t you get any ideas from that!

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                  That doesn’t sound like torture at all. *_*

                  • Carlosologist

                    Just cycle Joe Mauer’s GIDP and the Howard strikeout and bex will be fine.

              • Carlosologist

                Shucks, thank you. Your words are very kind. :)

    • http://Twitter.com/marcos_aguirre Marcos

      Berkman has been dying to play for a contender almost all his career. He’s going to go on a tear based soley on desire. Plus since he’s DHing, his knees won’t have so much wear and tear from playing the field, I wouldn’t be surprised if he OPSed .880. I’m not saying he WILL, but he certainly COULD, and hopefully he WILL!

      On a side note: I’m not sold on Ted Lilly, he has talent and O think he could be serviceable, maybe as a Lefty Specialist, but I’d rather spend the prospects elsewhere.

      As for Theriot: meh, why get him?

    • matt a/k/a treatise post guy

      Just to clarify your assessment of Cash’s performance this year, let’s just walk it through piece by piece:

      1. Winn – I agree, bad signing, though certainly worse in hindsight than at the time – he wasted $1.1 million on a dude who, yeah, had clearly come off a down year and was most likely in decline – but also a guy with an extremely solid track record. Randy Winn 2002-2009 never posted a WAR lower than 1.6 and in five of those seasons he posted a WAR of over 3. He was one year removed from a 2008 in which he was a +5 WAR player, not to mention a versatile, defensively good-outstanding switch hitter. FanGraphs has Winn’s down 2009 year valued at $7 million; his excellent 2008 at a cool $22.0 million – Cash got the guy for $1.1, with reason not to expect the world but no reason to expect that he’d suddenly become below replacement level, with a thought process that he could provide a safety net for Gardy and also potentially platoon a bit with Gardner. Solid process, bad result – this is one of those situations where the stat guys ought to have probably put a little more stock in their scouts’ assessments. And for the record, I am a huge proponent of stats as an indispensable tool for building a club, but only when used properly in conjunction with the assessments of the guys who see the player play ever day.

      2. Nick Johnson – did Cash have every reason to anticipate he’d miss some time to injury? Absolutely. Did he have every reason to expect that coming off a pretty healthy year and being slotted into a full time DH role, that he’d manage to only play 24 games? Again, no. It was a reasonably low cost, high risk/high reward signing and Cash got burned. In hindsight, Glaus or Vlad would have been better choices – but no one had any idea what to expect from Glaus, Vlad’s bat sure looked cooked in the ALCS and Nick better fit the number 2 spot high OBP guy the club desired. And you’ve also got to think more steps down the line. The decision had already been made to let Matsui walk and by all accounts said decision was correct – not that it matters, but Matsui’s 0.3 WAR is only an inch above the 0.1 Johnson provided in his cameo. So Johnson was signed to essentially replace Damon, which means Cash had made the risk/reward calculation to give Brett Gardner a chance to play everyday. How’s that worked out? 3.2 WAR, ranking him as the 6th most valuable LF in the entire league, that 3.2 WAR translating to about $12 million for a guy who’s making the minimum and who’s now given the Yanks the flexibility to not grossly overpay for Crawford’s decline years, increasing the already high likelihood of suiting up Cliff Lee for his pinstripes while still managing to hang on to the best AAA bat the Yanks have had since, well, probably ironically enough, Nick Johnson a decade ago. Gardner, it should also be noted, has on his own outproduced both Damon and Matsui by a full win.

      3. Re: Doc and Lee- not even going to address tee here, since Cash came out of nowhere to essentially acquire him only to have the deal reneged on – if you want to say Texas out-smarted Cash, when Seattle clearly preferred Smoak to Montero, well fine. As to you’ll recall Cash offered Montero for him. The Jays said no thanks, as it was always clear that they were going to prefer to move him out of the division. Who else would you have proposed Cash put in the package? Before this season would you have done Joba and Montero for Doc? I think you can have a legit debate on that, when it comes to Doc, not Lee. But to say Cash was was out-gunned by Ruben Amaro when he offered his best prospect is a pretty tough statement. I mean, are you glad Robbie Cano wasn’t in the package or were you looking to use him as a trade chip? How about Phil Hughes, who, despite not quite yet achieving real ace status, is 24 freaking years old and mostly dealing on a consistent basis in the toughest division in baseball?

      So let’s talk trades actually made now:
      1. Javy = a clear win for Cashman, as ypu say/ Melky’s raking at below replacement level numbers, Arodys is hurt, Javy, absent maybe the worst April ever non-Chien Ming Wang category, has been everything the Yanks hoped he’d be and there’s a terrific chance he’ll be flipped into two comp picks in what projects to be the deepest draft year in quite awhile. Not to mention, but you may not have noticed that Boone Logan has actually done the job he should be doing, which is retiring lefties to the tune of .216/.324/.261 with no dingers – that .606 OPS ahainst v. lefties is actually superior to Phil Coke’s .624 in an admittedly SSS – and of course, Coke can retire righties, no claiming Logan’s as close to as good a pitcher, but as a LOOGY, he’s been quietly outstanding.

      2. Berkman – is he the old Big Puma? Nope. Does he have some troubling home road splits that are limited only to this particular season? Yep. That being said – his OPS+ is 117 – his raw .OPS is over .900 this month. His split against righties this year is .261/.395/.479. Pair that with another Cash bomb, Marcus Thames, who for his $0.9 million is sitting at an OPS+ of 124 and hitting lefties to the tune of .315/,406/.426, a performance Fangraphs would peg as already being worth $1.2 million despite his spending time on the DL and general lack of PA (you ask me, Thames was a great signing just for that single play at third the other night). Study your Casey Stenge and Steven Goldman on this one. Berkman/Thamas is as a classic and pure of a platoon at DH as you’re going to find. Combine those two and what you’re likely to get is a hybrid-DH that ranks probably behind only behind Vlady G terms of production out of the DH spot.

      To be fair, that’s contingent on Jorge being able to catch, b/c Jorge himself has provided considerable value out of the DH hole this year. But if Jorge can’t catch, I’m not sure what you’d propose the Yanks do about it – I was always on board with Tommie’s idea of trying to grab a Gregg Zaun/Miguel Olivo/John Buck but the reality is that nobody not named Mauer, Soto or McCann is a safe bet to provide near the offensive value that Jorge does behind the plate. And Brian Cashman could be God himself and he wouldn’t be able to do a thing to bring in any of those aforementioned three names – Mauer simply isn’t being moved, neither are the other two in reality, unless you want to start talking about not an initial, but a hard, asking price of Hughes/Montero/Cano.

      But in the likely world where Jorge catches, Cash in what you’d have to be his worst year as GM has put together a DH platoon that’s likely to offer top five production for a grand total of maybe $8 million and forgettable prospects – such platoon is pretty likely to at least equal the production of last yeat’s Matsui, who made $13 million and also has the benefit of no long term commitments. So a DH platoon that is better, cheaper, more flexible beyond this year, and didn’t cost a thing in prospects (I’ll hedge that 1% as I wouldn’t have miuded seeing Melancon get a real chance) clearly equals Cash’s being robbed blind.

      3. I know this is turning into a book, but let’s turn to Granderson. Clearly, using WAR, Cash lost this deal, but it’s damn near impossible to win a 3 for 1 when of the 3, one’s an everyday player, one’s a starter who has made all his starts and one’s a reliever who’s used frequently. I’ll start by saying I think Grandy has underperformed his talent level so far – but, as I think we’re starting to see, more a case of regression upward here then a 28 year old athlete suddenly in decline. Do I think Cash gave up a bit too much in terms of the ancillary pieces – yeah – but he had to given the three way nature of the deal – I’ll agree that a minor piece from AZ should have come back to NY. But we all know this deal is about Curtis and Austin. I just think it’s too early to tell. Both guys have been quite productive – Austin’s WAR is a notch higher but that’s only b/c Grandy missed 27 days. It’s still too small a sample, but Grandy’s played a significantly better CF than A-Jax (8.6 UZR v. -1.1). Jackson’s shown to be a pretty damn good baae stealer going 16 for 20. Grandy’s nabbed only 8 bags, but he’s got a 100% success rate, 14 fewer games played, dealing with working his way back from the groin strain and tends to bat in a spot where he’s less likely to be running – though I’d like to see him run a bit more. The two are about equal in OPS+ right now, but that won’t last – it’s clear Grandy’s power is starting to come, his .SLG has jumped about 50 points in two weeks up to .441 and he hasn’t even found his stroke to the short porch yet, which I believe to be inevitable given that it’s clear the man hits for power, he’s done it every year he’s been a regular and he’s a dead pull hitter. So in short, I think it’s very safe to say that at his cost, the Yanks didn’t get sold a bill of goods on Granderson. He’s a 28 y/o athletic CF with power. One of the two big questions that will ultimately define the deal is whether a full year/offseason of work with Long can get him just to replacement level against lefties – because if that happens, he’s back to being an All-Star, probably more than once. If it doesn’t, he’s still a really nice player who will need a platoon partner. The other question that will define the deal is A-Jax’s .BABIP – unless you believe that he’s going to sustain like maybe the highest .BABIP in history, then once the inevitable regression comes – and that regression may still be to a guy who does in fact regularly have a high .BABIP; also relevant that Granderson’s .BABIP is decently off his career norm – then I feel safe in saying Grandy is the better player right now and will be next year. Will he be in five years? That’s the question – will A-Jax adjust to the league or the league to him – very SSS, but thus far the trendline suggests the latter. Finally, of course, A-Jax is cheap and under team control.

      Bottom line for me, I’m willing to listen to rationale arguments that Cash may have overpaid a bit, but the notion of him being fleeced here is just silly – and if you want to win the WS this year, I’d take Grandy every day of the week.

      4. Finally – for a bag of balls, Cash acquired Austin Kearns a guy who’s having a nice year, already accumulating 1.1 WAR, worth 4.4 million per fangraphs, is a career 104 OPS + hitter, nothing great, but s slightly better than league average bat, with historically outstanding UZR in RF and pretty darn good in LF, and with a nice .799 career OPS against lefties – which means that for nothing, Cash just added the flexibility of indirectly platooning Granderson by adding the ability to put Kearns in left and slide Gardner into center.

      So in summation, Cash took a club that won 103 games and a World Series and “in easily his worst year as GM” created a club which despite losing its expected primary DH for the season, a major bullpen piece in Ace, the unexpected implosion of Joba and what is easily the worst season of Derek Jeter’s career and produced, well, a club that is

      1. on pace to win, huh, 103.2 games while
      2. in the process making the club long term younger with the emergence of Phil and Gardner and the addition of Grandy
      3. lowering payroll
      4. avoiding a single long-term unreasonable long term commitment (of all the additions, only Grandy’s under contract next year), meaning it’s not unthinkable that the Yanks sign both Lee and another significant piece and
      6. while holding onto Montero and Romine, the crop of potential solid middle to back end starters in Nova/Z-Mac/Phelps, and two potentially useful pieces in Nunez and Adams (not even getting into the Brackman/Betances/Heathcott/Sanchez/ManBan/Ramirez group, all for the price of essentially two valuable prospects, A-Jax, who I’ll concede has real value and Arodys who is so far away as to even begin to speculate on his value.

      If that’s easily his worst year, then I’d hate to be be the poor fools who see him at his best. And btw, I’ve tried to be pretty evenhanded, as while I think Cash is an first-rate GM, no doubt he has his share of misses, the man has his flaws (see Kei Igawa 1000 times over, the Sheff trade, the notion of a Josh Phelps/Doug M. 1B platoon, etc.)

      Finally, I think you’re too hung up on the notion of a GM making a team unstoppable. No one’s unstoppable, especially in a five gamer. Suppose we had gotten Lee, the Rangers had then turned around and grabbed Oswalt or Haren rather than LAA or Phil and Minn/Chi ends the regular season with a better record than Tex. Unlikely, you bet, but you can’t envision a scenario where a nice Texas club with an Oswalt and a C.J. Wilson and a Tommy Hunter/Colby Lewis back end and a great pen manages to steal either game 1 or 2 from CC/Lee and beats Andy and [AJ/Javy] in Arlington? I bet you play that series a million times, Tex probably wins it about 25-30%. And if the addition is Dunn rather than Lee, you’re even less unstoppable, because it means you need to bank on AJ and Javy showing up for the post-season.

      Cash’s job isn’t to do the impossible – it’s to balance the simultaneous imperatives of maximizing the probability of winning this year while keeping the organization at a level where you make the postseason 15 out of 16 years, win 13 divisions, 7 pennants and 5 rings. In that respect, esp. given that he’s going to have to deal with the feeding frenzy of re-signing Jetes (and don’t forget Mo), it’s peen a pretty marvelous year for Cash in terms of setting up this team to have a great chance to win this year and next.

      Sorry for this book long post -not trying to come off nasty, unlike some, you at least do offer some evidence as to why you don’t like the Berkman deal. But the two statements re: Cash being badly out-maneuvered and easily his worst off season are indefensible.

  • ZZ

    The Lilly rumor sounds like something put out there by the Cubs to put pressure on the Dodgers, especially when you consider the sources reporting this.

  • eddieperez23

    I don’t get the Lilly rumors, but Theriot at the very least is an upgrade to Pena (although as was noted above almost anyone is) and would also equip Girardi with a pinch runner that could swipe a base (insert Micheal Kay Homer Bush foaming at the mouth comment here), unlike Pena or anyone else that’s currently on the roster. Lastly, I’d feel a little more comfortable having Theriot give ARod/Jeter a rest from from time to time more so then auto out Pena.

    • Steve O.

      Theriot would be a decent pickup. He has no power at all, but isn’t a zero. If he is aquired, he wouldn’t be running at all. He gets caught stealing way too much for it to be worth anything.

      The Yanks can just pick up a Freddy Guzman type player like they did last year for nothing. Although, with Kearns in the fold, they won’t be getting another OF.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      I think the Lilly rumors are being floated by the Cubs in order to get the Dodgers to commit to the trade. Most rumors have said the Yanks are not interested in Lilly and don’t think his stuff would play in the AL East at this point in his career.

      • Zack

        Has there ever been a trade/FA that has NOT been linked to the Yankees? It’s standard operating procedure.

      • Steve O.

        Lilly averages 86 MPH on his Fastball. I’m not even mad, that’s amazing.

  • Jamie G.

    Theriot would be a great bench player for the Yanks…his career batting avg is .288 as an everyday middle infielder, what’s not to like?

    • Pete

      his wOBA?

  • tomaconda

    Instead of getting Lilly i hear there is a japanese strikeout leader available through the posting system who has been ace like in Japan for a few years and could become the winningest pitcher in Yankees history.

    Flashbacked