Open Thread: All good things come to an end


That's right Alex, it's just one loss. (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)

Well, it was fun while it lasted. It’s tough to get angry over a loss when it comes at the end of an eight game winning streak, so let’s just forget about this one and hope the Yankees start a new victory streak tomorrow (with me in attendance).

While we wait for that, use this as your open thread for the evening. The ESPN Sunday Night game features the Giants and Dodgers (Sanchez-Kuroda), which has some meaning in the NL West race. For the Giants, anyway. You know the deal, so have at it.

Categories : Down on the Farm


  1. forensic says:

    And suddenly the White Sox games determine the magic number, not the Red Sox…

  2. Carcillo says:

    Rockies on the verge of a sweep and giving San Diego their 10th straight loss.

    Also, White Sox with a pretty epic comeback today over the Red Sox.

    Who wins out in those divisions? NL West and AL Central, that is.

  3. billbybob says:

    Does Phil Hughes still have number one starter upside? Am I being a typical impatient Yankees fan if I don’t think he does anymore?

      • billbybob says:

        It is pretty fucking annoying watching him unable to finish batters off when he has two strikes. Oh well, guess I better put the burrito back in the wrapper and chill out and see what improvements he makes in that regard in 2011.

    • Not Tank the Frank says:

      I’d say, realistically, yes he does have that upside (or ceiling) but the chances he reaches that ceiling are becoming less likely until we can see some real improvements in his breaking ball and other offspeed offerings. The hardest thing to accomplish on the road to becoming a # 1 is command, IMO. Phil Hughes already has that, especially when it comes to the fastball. We’ve seen him navigate through a lineup using little else. That’s what makes him so exciting; because he’s such a good pitcher and was such a good prospect, there’s no reason to think he won’t continue to improve with his offspeed pitches and overall.

      It’s not ridiculous that you don’t think he does anymore. But just remember he has shown flashes of it throughout this season and he’s still very, very young in a tough league. Hell, he’s shown you flashes every season.

      • Matt Montero says:

        I think this sums Hughes pretty good…

        A 24 yr old good starting pitcher with ace potential pitching in his first FULL major league season in the toughest division based both on winningness and offensive firepower.

        Now that that’s done, can’t we say that he was dominant early in the season and that’s his upside (check his April and May stats) and now it’s a combination of more video and scouting reports available to make adjustments with and him becoming a little tired from the grinds of a full major league season?

        Yea I just made some huge runon sentences, watchagonna do about it?

    • mustang says:

      Yes you are.
      This is the guy’s first full season as a starter and right now he is in uncharted territory. Hopefully he learns from this and develops the skills set to match his great natural talent. I have seen to many good things from young Mr. Hughes for me to give up on him being an ace

  4. Salty Buggah says:

    I blame Alex. Yankees are now 0-3 in his last 3 games, 1-4 in his last 5, and 5-10 in his last 15.

    /Arbitrary Endpoints’d
    //Useless & Meaningless stats’d

  5. bexarama says:

    I missed today’s game but I just caught up and AHAHAHAH RED SOX AHAHAHAHAHA

  6. Fun fact: Papelbon has more blown saves than Mariano’s given up runs (stolen from Twitter)

  7. And that’s 10 straight losses for the Padres. They’re terrified of the postseason, like the Bogeyman is there or something.

    1998 still gives them nightmares.

  8. PaulF says:

    I’m heading into my fantasy playoffs with some banged up pitching, and I need to pick 2 of the following starters to put on my playoff roster:
    Tommy Hunter
    JA Happ
    Bronson Arroyo
    Brian Matusz
    RA Dickey

  9. billbybob says:

    Can we get rid of the AL and NL West? Would anybody notice?

  10. Not Tank the Frank says:

    Can someone please help explain to me why Liriano is at 6 WAR and CC is at 3.9 (Fangraphs)?

    I don’t mean to get into a huge discussion about WAR, but I was surprised to see Liriano that far ahead. Reason being, CC has made more starts, pitched more innings and has a better ERA. Their BB/9 and H/9 are similar, but Liriano has a big edge on K/9 and HR/9 so I see why FIP likes him better. But even so, I just don’t see the the reason for the 2.1 WAR edge. Seems like a big gap to me.

  11. Matt DiBari says:

    Its also hard to get angry about a loss when the two teams behind us lose and we hold the clock.

  12. Slappy White says:

    Good thing we have a lead now . Our schedule the rest of the way is a Bear

  13. bob says:

    red sox will sweep rays yankees will sweep o,s

  14. bob says:

    will be going to texas and lee and josh ham will be out could be yankees year

  15. A-Rod comes back, Yankees lose. Coincidence? I say no.

    We’ll never win with this guy. He’s got bad karma.

  16. So, about this whole Colby Rasmus thing…

    …if he wants to burn bridges with LaRussa and force a trade say, to the Yankees, I don’t see a problem with this

  17. Betsy says:

    He’s too much in love with his FB. These are some post-game quotes from Phil:

    “That’s kind of been the Achilles heel for me a little bit this year,” he said. “I do like to throw my fastball, and I feel like I have a good fastball, (but) sometimes guys get geared up for it too much when you’re constantly the same speed. Even my cutter isn’t that much of a speed differential. Getting my curveball going to where it needs to be and incorporating my changeup is a big part of my game. I’m certainly not going to throw those pitches an outrageous amount, but just getting them to where they’re consistent and I can go to them when I need to, that would be a big step for me.”

    Hughes said he actually had a good changeup today. He couldn’t remember throwing it more in any start this season. His curveball got better, but after hanging one for a double in the first inning, he was hesitant to go back to it against Wells. Overall, Hughes said, his stuff was much better today than in his previous two starts, he just wanted a few pitches back.

    “I had a couple of bad pitches, three or four mistakes,” Hughes said. “If I can just limit that and make my pitch, I feel like today could have gone a lot different.”

    It’s annoying that one bad curve would make him shy away from it the rest of the game. Just because he threw one bad one doesn’t mean the next two or three or however many would be bad. Phil is just too in love with his FB

    • Not Tank the Frank says:

      Agreed 100 percent. Good quotes. His curve got better as the day went along and I wish he would have gone to it more, even just to bounce one in the dirt on 0-2 to wells and give him a different look. And his changeup also was very good today.

    • He’s proud of his fastball. Proud as a peacock.

    • Jerome S says:

      You know what I like about this? Phil’s struggles, as shown by his explanations, are due to his youth. If he listens to advice from his coaches and colleagues, I think that next year will be even better than this one.

  18. Betsy says:

    I’m glad he loves his FB, but if it comes at the expense of his other pitches, then it’s not a good thing. He has to not be afraid of the curve and the change (I think he has the makings of a decent change; maybe he’s lost the feel of his curve due to the 2007, 2008 injuries and spending 2009 in the pen)……..If he is, then he’ll never be more than he is as a starter.

  19. Carlosologist says:

    San Francisco up 1-0. Time for them to finally capitalize on San Diego’s ten game slide.

    • bexarama says:

      I’m not much of a fan of the Giants. Dunno why. Go Rocktober.

    • I really think SD is going to miss out on the playoffs. Even if they do make it, I think they’d be one-and-done. Yeah, the pitching has been good all year, but that lack of offense would catch up to them in the playoffs. After all, if good pitching (supposedly) beats good hitting, wouldn’t good pitching–which you’re sure to see in the playoffs–beat (really) bad hitting?

      • bexarama says:

        It depends who they get, IMO. I think they could beat Atlanta, dunno if they could beat Philly. Not sure what to think if they drew the Reds. Then, if, say, the NLCS was Padres/Giants, the Padres freaking own the Giants for whatever reason.

        • Jerome S says:

          The Reds and Phils would freakin’ kill the Padres. Their offense is good enough to touch up even a superior pitcher for a couple runs, and that’s all that they’s need.


    You know you’ve made it big when people start pretending to be you on NoMaas.

    • Not Tank the Frank says:

      They also have a poster called “Sensitive RAB guy” and a “Benjamin Kabak” who’s link was or something like that it was hilarious. Can’t find the link though…

      I think NoMaas deleted it.

      You wanna know why? It was outta respect.


  21. bob says:

    winner of al east will play rangers not twins i think yankees will have 6 game lead when they hit st pete

  22. Jerome S says:

    I believe the magic number is now 16. Ehem.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Nope. The White Sox moved passed the Red Sox in the WC standings with their win today, so the magic number doesn’t change.

      • Jerome S says:

        wow. Red Sox suck, if I may say so.

        • Slappy White says:

          You may say so, in fact, please do

        • Carcillo says:

          I’ve been keeping a notepad document since mid-July keeping track of the Yankees, Rays, and Red Sox schedules, splits, rotations, and recently magic numbers…

          After Chicago won today, I was going through the process of knocking the Rays and Yankees numbers down one apiece, and then I realized Chicago had passed Boston with their win today, and therefore kept the previous numbers intact.


  23. Jerome S says:

    People praise the Rangers constantly, but fun fact: If they were in our division, they’d be in fourth place.

  24. Carlosologist says:

    I know it’s in bad taste to root for an injury, but Josh Hamilton is supposedly out for the season with back issues. I think that makes the Rangers a shitton less scary come playoff time.

    • Jerome S says:

      They were never scary. The sports media hyped them up after June when they won ten straight and basically established total dominance over the NL West, but they forgot that the NL West has three losing teams. If the Rangers were in the East, they’d be behind Boston right now.

      The Yankees have scored 85 more runs than them, and allowed 21 less. We’ve won 11 more games, too.

      The Rangers aren’t scary. They’re a hyped up .550 team.

      • bexarama says:

        I think the Yankees are better but honestly don’t write them off. Cliff Lee is a huge advantage come October, even if he’s struggling right now. Colby Lewis is also in a slump, but he’s very strong too. CJ Wilson’s been terrific. Their offense can hit.

        But, even though the playoffs are a kind of “never say never”-type situation, if they don’t have Hamilton for the playoffs, I’m willing to say they’re not getting too far.

        • Brad Toughy says:

          People always point to Cliff Lee as a huge “advantage” but that advantage is somewhat negated when he’s matched up against our CC.

          News flash: the Yankees have a pretty damn good lefty ace, too.

        • Carcillo says:

          Wilson has been excellent, but he’s going to run into innings problems very soon. His career high in IP’ed is 136. He did that back in 2002. Not exactly recent or relevant to 2010. That, and in addition to the Hamilton injury, neither Cruz nor Kinsler have been able to stay healthy all year.

          Oh, and they’ve gotten their asses handed to them every time they play a contending team in their place.

          Swept in New York? Check.
          Swept in Minnesota? Check.
          Swept in Tampa? Check.
          Swept in Minnesota AGAIN? Check.

          They took two of three in Chicago back in June, but the Sox hadn’t taken off yet. The Sox took two of three in Texas a month later.

          I’m not saying they can’t beat the Yankees, but it’s becoming very obvious who the weak link of the AL playoffs will be. The Yankees, Rays, and AL Central winner will have an upper hand.

          • bexarama says:

            This is WasWatching type stuff. New York and Minnesota swept them when they were really scuffling. They took either two out of three from Tampa or swept Tampa in Arlington, at the point in the year when Tampa just didn’t lose games on the road.

            As for Wilson, who knows, maybe his body can just take it. If he was going to collapse, wouldn’t he have already collapsed by now?

            • Carcillo says:

              I disagree with that first assertion, only because what that is is using their records against bad teams against them. What I was getting at is that they really haven’t shown themselves to be that formidable against their peers on the road. The circumstances as to why? They vary, but whatever they’ve been, it’s hindered them.

              I didn’t say anything to how they’ve done at home against any of those teams, because obviously they are a very good home team, like most contending teams are. And if Lee wins a road game for them, that puts them at a big advantage in any series.

              Not trying to trash Texas, just pointing out how I see it.

            • Brad Toughy says:

              What’s WasWatching type stuff?

              The Rangers are 6-14 against teams that currently slot in as AL playoff teams.

              For comparison, the Yankees are 13-9 against those teams, Minnesota is 11-12 and Tampa Bay is 15-10. You can’t just ignore information that you don’t like.

              • Carcillo says:

                WasWatching stuff usually relates to looking at a team’s record (the Yankees, in those cases), and then start noting their records against the dreck they’ve faced, and factor that out of the equation. I’ve also seen it used to factor out extended winning streaks, and see what the Yankees record looks like then (I shit you not, there was a post when the Yankees were 55-31, and Stevie noted what their record was with every winning streak of three or more games not included*). Pretty much, his way of detracting from what the Yankees have done during the season.

                It’s a load of nonsense, since the best teams reach the playoffs in no small part due to their successes against crappy teams. The reason the Cardinals won’t reach the playoffs is that they just had a 2-8 trip against Pittsburgh, Washington, and Houston. The 2008 Yankees missed the playoffs because of their lack of success against crappy teams, not their 20-16 mark against Tampa and Boston.

                For someone who’s been a fan since 1973 or so, I don’t see how Steve doesn’t understand stuff like that.


              • bexarama says:

                I’m not ignoring it, I just don’t think it means that much for the playoffs. The 2009 Minnesota Twins may have been 0-7 against the 2009 New York Yankees, but hell, the 2007 Cleveland Indians were 0-7 against the 2007 New York Yankees too.

                • Carcillo says:

                  I just think the whole sum of it can be disconcerting to think about.

                  It’s not one or two isolated instances. The three best teams in the AL record-wise have all swept the Rangers, Twins doing it twice. It makes you wonder a bit.

                  Home is another story, but they’ll have to win on the road to get the HFA.

                • Pat D says:

                  Fuck WasWatching.

                  I will say it till the end of time.

          • Jerome S says:

            Exactly. The Rangers face AL West teams more times than AL East teams, I believe. It’s pretty easy to beat the Angels, Oakland and Seattle. If they were in our division, they would be a .515 team.

    • Tom Zig says:

      but Josh Hamilton is supposedly out for the season with back issues.

      I need a link.

  25. Jerome S says:

    Gardner leading off would be way more ass kicking if Dr. GIDP wasn’t right behind him. Seriously, grow a pair, kick Jeter back to the 7th spot in the lineup, and let Grandy hit 2nd.

    • jonathan says:

      It’s way past time. One more bad game or two and Jeter’s OPS is going to be in the .600′s. I hope he has some horrible injury that explains this, but it really just seems to be his AWFUL approach.

      • Jerome S says:

        I hate how he’s just like, “Yeah, I’ll get out of it.” Then DO SOMETHING damnit! Granderson worked on his swing; it did wonders. If ARod can swallow his pride and ask Kevin Long for some assistance, then can’t Jeter?

        #note: I’m not implying that Jeter isn’t actually taking time with Kevin Long. It’s probably just routine pre-game stuff, though.


        • jonathan says:

          The scariest thing to me is that his approach was already a strictly contact and oppo groundball/line drive approach. With most hitters when they go into a slump, your first thing to try is to concentrate on waiting back on pitches and seeing them longer and just hitting line drives up the middle and sacrifice some power, but that’s what he’s already doing. I mean I guess that’s what he’s doing. I can’t remember the last time he hit a flyball with authority.

  26. Frigidevil says:

    So an interesting turn of events in the RAB Conference American League. If Brian Wilson nails this save without giving up a run, I’m pretty sure Sparta Sentinels will move on to the playoffs. If not, it’s a tie and I don’t know what that means.

  27. JFH says:

    anyone else concerend about our prospects in the playoffs? our starting rotation is not looking very reliable lately. we have two strong starters in CC & Andy (assuming he comes back to form). and then……?

    • Jerome S says:

      We should always be concerned, but there is no reason whatsoever to be worried.

      We just snapped an eight game winning streak, first of all. Second, I completely understand the starting pitching dilemma. But you must realize that first, two aces in CC and Andy is a luxury that few teams can boast; and second, I believe that Hughes, given two starts worth of rest, will be stellar. Besides that, there’s a 50/50 shot AJ will give you a no-hitter.

      And another thing: If a pitcher starts struggling, Joe can always him and doom the other team to imprisonment in the bullpenitentiary.

      And another thing: We can also out-hit our pitching pretty damn well, too.

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