Yanks fall to Rangers in extras

Game 141 Spillover Thread
Saturday morning links
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Leave a few more men on base next time.

(here’s the box score, happy recap)

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Game 141 Spillover Thread
Saturday morning links
  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    awful game with RISP, won’t happen again, move on.

    • http://dontbringinthelefty.blogspot.com Lucas AA, aka don’t_bring_in_the_lefty

      +42

    • Kit

      This.

  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

    18 LOB, 3-17 with RISP. That’s awful.

  • Cecala

    This game was so long and it was just a bummer watching it the whole time to see them lose

  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

    Jeter went 1-7 but let’s not forget that Gardner had 8 LOB

  • rek4gehrig

    good thing about this loss is that they’ll come out swinging hard tomorrow (I mean tonight)

  • Hughesus Christo

    Dammit, I was gonna finish up a book and watch The Runaways tonight. Now I’m going to… finish up a book and watch The Runaways at ridiculous hours.

  • Carlosologist

    What can you really do? This game sucked, yes, but we can’t complain and whine and bitch. Just need to dust it off and hope for a better game later today.

    • Jerome S

      “but we can’t complain and whine and bitch.”

      See Francesa, Michael.

      But in all seriousness I can’t wait to hear what he has to say about this.

      • Kit

        Whatever it is, it probably won’t be smart.

        • Chris

          Luckily, the Yankees have the chance to win two games before his next show.

  • Goosefan

    Joba is a problem. When did Tubby Gopherball pass Robertson and Wood? The Yanks give him roles that he doesn’t earn.they keep that up and Joba will never reach his potential, which would be a shame.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Seeing as Robertson and Wood have been used a LOT more often than Joba of late, I’m not really sure what you’re complaining about. Other than that some people just hate Joba, of course.

      • Goosefan

        At what point did I say I hate Joba? I want him to pitch to his potential. However, outside of some spurts here and there, he hasn’t been consistent since mid 2009 when the inning limitation started. I don’t know how anyone can watch him this season and feel more confident with him over Wood or Robertson.

        A Gaudin hater…now that I am. I was not happy they brought him back. He is terrible. They really miss Aceves in that role.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          Well you seemed to take offense to him coming into the game and you called him “Tubby Gopherball.” And Wood and Robertson got used *before* Joba, anyway.

    • forensic

      He pitched that inning because it was the lower part of the order. Wood faced the middle of the order in the 7th. No problem with that order.

      • Ben

        Exactly. Robertson and Wood actually pitched in higher leverage situations.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    h/t Mike on Twitter: the teams combined to go 4-for-28 with RISP. So it’s not like we were the only ones who sucked there.

    Not that it really feels better. Just, remember what happened the last time we had an awful loss in Texas?

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

      Lyndon Johnson became president and that led to Vietnam. I’m lost…

      • Betty Lizard

        IETCVM

  • Salty Buggah

    #RobotUmps That is all.

    (Oh, and more hits with RISP please)

  • forensic

    In a season of career lows, Jeter just set a career high with his 17th straight game without multiple hits. And he had 7 chances tonight to end that and still couldn’t. Congratulations!

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      See, I don’t get stuff like this. What’s the point? It’s almost like you’re glad to see it and gloating about it. Maybe I’m just pissed off because that game was awful and yeah, I’m still pissed about that person who was like “Yay he’s hurt!”, but like, are you happy about this? I’m sure as hell not.

      • forensic

        What’s the point? It’s a fact and stat. Baseball is a game of stats. It adds depth to what’s happening. 16 years and he’s doing something he’s never done before. I find it interesting.

        Why would I be happy? I’m glad he’s adding to the struggling offense?

        I know people get defensive about the non-happy face look at things sometimes, but calm down. You don’t always have to be the ultimate optimist and ignore the bad stuff to be a good fan.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          I’m not ignoring it, how many times have I said he’s having a fucking awful year and it’s hard to watch? It’s more the “Congratulations!” and stuff. It’s just – and it’s not you specifically – some people really seem to enjoy his awful year, and I don’t get why. At all.

          I admit to being pretty pissy tonight so apologies.

          • forensic

            That’s fine, everyone’s cranky tonight.

            The Congrats was just sarcastic and a joke. Trying to lighten it up a little, which clearly backfired.

            I’m just intrigued by numbers, and his are setting career records so they’re near the top of the list.

            • http://twitter.com/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

              FWIW I chuckled.

  • a plethora of pinatas

    “Leave a few more men on base next time.”

    Be careful what you wish for……this offense may bring your request to fruition.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      You mean the best offense in the majors? Woe is us as Yankee fans. Life’s so hard.

      • a plethora of pinatas

        Exactly! The best offense looked ridiculous tonight.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          It happens. But don’t whine about “this offense” because “this offense” is extremely good.

  • stuart

    joba is not smart. start off cruz witha slider!!!! really why?

    jeter guys looks horrible. tell me this is a blip……..he has looked bad for a long time. the guy cannot hit the ball out of the infield on a regular basis and the minions do not want to discuss it……….

    • Chris

      You’re right. Why on earth would you throw a first pitch slider to a batter that it a dead fastball hitter? Joba should have thrown a fastball.

  • stuart

    joba with his usual jibberish.

    he is a relief version of aj.. dumb guys who have no clue……..imagine if pettitte had stuff like those 2 clowns. he would never lose

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      This comment, on the other hand, is really intelligent.

    • http://twitter.com/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      Intelligence has nothing to do with this.

  • Aaron – Long Island

    On the bright side, the magic number for the playoffs dropped again tonight…

    On second thought, that doesn’t make me feel better at all.

  • Hughesus Christo

    I see a lot of trolls getting fed recently. C’mon guys. We’re better than that.

  • a plethora of pinatas

    On the bright side, Trenton won today……ensuring that Pettitte will have his 2nd rehab start in the minors. ManBan kicked butt to.

    • http://twitter.com/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      That’s probably the highlight of the day.

  • Fred Lemondtero

    Leaving 18 men on base doesn’t just happen. I’m sorry. That is pretty pathetic rarefied air right there.

  • David (In Seattle)

    Heard here, or maybe Lohud, RISP now stands for Runners in Stranded Position

  • http://twitter.com/Mattpat11 Matt DiBari

    If I see one more pinch runner come in and not run, I’m going to smash something. That’s my biggest pet peeve and one of Joe’s favorite moves. remove a bat to send in a pinch runner, and then just wait for the inning to end.

    • jonathan

      AGREED. I understand our team is built around letting guys hit jacks and doubles to knock in the runners but there are definitely a lot of situations where Girardi leaves runners to die at first. Our team hasn’t been very good at get him on, move him over, get him in but i understand we aren’t built like that. Still, not being able to hit a simple routine flyball when that is basically all you need to go ahead/win the game is inexcusable. Derek Jeter is my favorite player of all time, but if i wasn’t worried about CC getting hurt on the bases a la Wang, I might DH for Jeter and let CC hit in his starts. In all seriousness, I don’t see why Nunez doesn’t get a larger cut of the playing time to a: rest Jeter and b: maybe out hit him. If anyone else drafted Arod/Lincecum/Jeter with their first 3 fantasy picks this year, i bet your season sucked as much as mine haha.

  • a plethora of pinatas

    Sorry if I offended anyone tonight with my bitching…..tough loss. AJ better bring his A-game tomorrow. The offense too. God, I hate the Rangers!!!

  • Betsy

    Why exactly did Joe make a point to say Phil was available and then NOT pitch him until the 9th? If Joba hadn’t blown the game, he wouldn’t have gotten in the game at all – which would have been a joke.

    • It’sATarp

      it might have been phil’s pen day…so havinghim pitch one inning wouldn’t affect the overall plan.

  • It’sATarp

    can we please move jeter down? sure he’s not the only problem TONIGHT but he has been a problem for a while now. right now i would take anything from jeter that isn’t a weak ground ball.

    Oh yeah i haven;t seen much from joba to give him the setup role back. D-rob and wood have been doing fine and Joba has been good pitching in other lower leverage situations, so i don;t get the sudden change to give joba the 8th role back when we have other guys who been as good or better.

  • Betsy

    Tarp, the point is that Phil was available and Joe did everything he could to avoid pitching him. Had Joba not blown the lead, Mo would have pitched the 9th. What I’m saying is is that it’s hard to take Joe seriously especially given the below. The opportunity presented itself in the 7th and 8th and he chose to not pitch Phil. Has he lost faith in Phil? Gained faith in Joba (who sure hasn’t earned it)? I don’t know…………….I like Joe personally, but I’m losing patience with him as a manager.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09…..1pins.html

    • Fred Lemondtero

      Take your Phil Hughes love affair back to lohud

    • It’sATarp

      or more like phil hasn;t pitched in relief in a year? and have you seen him lately? he gets 2 strikes then promptly nibbles til the batter somehow gets on base. Rather have wood or D-rob pitch the 8th (of course girardi opted for joba)

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      “Gained faith in Joba (who sure hasn’t earned it)?”

      Last 18 Appearances before last night: 17.2 IP, 10H, 3ER, 3BB, 15K, 1.53 ERA, 1 HR, .159/.209/.254

      That’s his numbers for the last 28% of his season- relievers are fickle, when they’re hot you use them.

  • Betsy

    I don’t blame him for the loss, but he is makes some of the strangest decisions………..

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Not trying to be rude but there’s a “reply” button. And your article doesn’t work. Also, it’s easy to criticize Joe for this after Joba gave up the game-tying HR and Phil had an easy inning, but I didn’t have an issue with it at the time.

  • GREG

    i AM SO SICK OF GIRADI AND A-ROD THAT I CAN’T STAND IT

    • lenn

      Arod?

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      This sounds like a “you” problem.

    • It’sATarp

      curse Arod for running hard despite a calf problem…curse him for getting into RISP with 1 out…he obviously lost us the game

    • Esteban

      MOAR ALL CAPS PLEEZ!

    • Jerome S

      ARod went 3-6 I believe he did better than anyone.

  • Sunil

    Philly is looking mighty scary right now….

  • jonathan

    Jeter has 1 out of the park HR since Jun 12th….ouch. On that date he had a .295 average 8 HR’s and almost an .800 OPS. I still think he almost has to be hurt. Either that or we’re looking at how a completely clean MLB player ages.

    • Esteban

      Maybe it’s both?

  • Mister D

    Wait – I thought this was a site that favored advanced metrics, numbers which typically show there is no such thing as clutch, and attribute RBI’s to luck. So why all the fuss about RiSP?

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Cuz it sucks when you leave a bazillion guys on base. One game doesn’t really say anything about the team’s ability to hit with RISP, though.

      (FWIW I think “clutch” exists. But as a situation. No players are inherently clutch or unclutch.)

    • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

      It’s not like we absolutely hate RBIs. RBIs just tell us how many teammates of his were on base ahead of him when he got his hit. So in that sense, yes he is lucky to have good teammates to be on base in front of him. RISP is simply that, how a person performs with runners on 2nd and/or 3rd? Today the Yankees failed despite numerous opportunities to succeed. It’s mind numbingly frustrating.

    • http://twitter.com/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      And none of the above are actually been argued for entirely. Nice try.

    • Chris

      There’s a difference (however slight) between describing why something happened and predicting what will happen in the future. For example, when a team scores a lot of runs but has a low OPS it’s possible that they have an elevated BA with RISP. That explains their high run total, and when they regress in those situations they’ll likely score fewer runs.

      The opposite is the case here. The Yankees got few hits with RISP so they scored less runs that you’d expect. This will be balanced out by a game at some point where they get a ton of hits with RISP.

  • dan

    In the offseason you might look at a matt maloney or Logan Ondrusek from cincinatti if you trade a package of jose ramirez, jesus montero,dave phelps and andrew brackman. Does this seem like a fair trade. I think so!

    • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

      Pass.

    • Esteban

      No, why would you want those guys? For Jesus? Color me confused.

    • Pete

      dude.

  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

    This felt like that other walk off loss of Gaudin in Toronto. The Yankees had their RISP problems in that game too. It seemed like that no matter how many players got on base today, they just weren’t going to score. Just like that Toronto game.

    …anddddddddddddd onto the next one.

  • JP

    Why is everyone so afraid to rip on Jeter? Once again he doesn’t get the job done. I see that a lot from him lately. Man on third less than 2 outs, Jeter swings at a pitch he shouldn’t be swinging at and strikes out or grounds out, and I’m getting tired of hearing people show him infinite patience. If that was A-Rod or Berkman, you’d all be calling for his head, and you know it. Jeter needs to be held to the same standards as the rest of the team.

    • Esteban

      I don’t think many people here are afraid to rip on the Cap’n. In fact, many people complain about him.

      • JP

        Yea right. Compared to the hell you would have given A-Rod or anyone else, you’re all pretty easy on Jeter.

  • JP

    I mean for f***’s sake, I see a lot of finger pointing towards Joba, but why does Jeter get a free pass?

    • http://twitter.com/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      Heh I don’t think that question needs to be asked. The answer is kinda obvious.

      • JP

        I’m sorry, but Jeter is paid to do the same job as everyone else, so if he doesn’t do his job, he’s gonna hear it from me. I don’t give a fat rat’s ass who the hell he is. He does NOT get a free pass from me.

        • Betty Lizard

          But have you told Jeter this? Perhaps he does not know he does not get a free pass from you.

          If he knew that, I bet he’d change his behavior.

          • JP

            He shouldn’t be getting a free pass from ANYBODY!!! The man has been in the game since 1995. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should still be babying him.

            • JP

              Now please don’t misunderstand me. I love Jeter. I will never stop loving Jeter. But I’m the kind of Yankee fan who treats everyone on the team with equality. In my book, if everyone on the Yankees can get an equal ring when they win, they all can get equal criticism when they lose.

  • BigBlueAL

    Well at least the bullpen will get a break the next 2 games with AJ and Moseley starting.

    • Esteban

      /sarc

      I think the BP goes at least 4 in each game

      • Chris

        Nope. AJs going 7 IP 1 R.

  • Esteban

    Who’s happy they went out and drank tonight?

    This guy is.

    To be honest, it’s annoying that Joba gave up the HR, but he’s beein pretty good for a while now and shit happens with bullpens, they DO give up runs. This is definitely more on the offense than Joba or Joe tonight.

  • Sean C

    I gave up on the game after the bases loaded fly out. The Cruz homer felt like fate. It SUCKED to lose this one tonight, but we come out tomorrow 1.5 games up on the Rays and with the best record in baseball. However, it really takes perspective to accept a loss like this one. I can’t tell you all how many times I yelled “%*&# you, Jeter!” during this game. Same for the Yankee offense as a whole. They couldn’t mount that game-ending rally. Great work by the bullpen, yet again. They kept the Yanks in the game, while stellar work by Texas’ bullpen gave them the opportunity to take the game away. We come back tomorrow, and on top of the baseball world. All in perspective, friends.

  • pollo

    You guys should do this more often. You shouldn’t waste your time recapping shitty fucking loses.

  • JM

    I’m really sick of Joba at this point. He’s blown so many games it’s ridiculous. The whole bullpen does a great job and then he comes in and doesn’t throw is best weapon and gets destroyed. As much as we left men on base, we had a 5-4 lead in the 8th and Joba didn’t get the job done. Again. He must hate Javy or something.

    • Betty Lizard

      Let me preface this by saying that I’ve said and thought the same thing(s) many times.

      However, I respectfully suggest that we now replace these comments with a simple symbol like:

      “The Joba post here”

  • Anal Hershiser

    As much as no one wants to see it, I think we might be looking at a postseason where we try to get 5 innings from AJ and Javy and try to get 4 from Joba, Hughes, Logan, Robertson, Wood and Mo. CC, Andy and the bats are going to have to carry us. If Hughes doesn’t have a big start his next one out, I can see Girardi making the call – he seems more comfortable with Hughes in the pen than either Joba or Javy.

  • Dick Whitman

    Perfect recap.

  • Jake H

    That blown call at 2nd that lead to the first run for Texas sure screwed us along with the inability to get that one hit to put Texas away.

  • Dick Whitman

    I know it is irrational, he’s been pretty damn good in the last month and a half, but Joba Chamberlain makes me want to slam my head into a brick wall.

    And Derek Jeter, ugh. For someone who always seemed to come through, I have 1% confidence in him right now.

    If you had told me in May that Boone Logan would be better than Derek Jeter in their respective roles on the team, I would have called you the stupidest person on the face of the Earth. Ugh.

    • Betty Lizard

      I know it is irrational, he’s been pretty damn good in the last month and a half, but Joba Chamberlain makes me want to slam my head into a brick wall.

      It is irrational, because, as you say, Joba’s been good . . . but I’ve been where you are.

      Now, I use Joba to help me practice equanimity. My goal is that when Joba appears I neither hate him nor fawn over him; I just view him with a balanced, warm regard.

      /zenbaseball’d

      (My practice needs work, BTW)

      • kosmo

        In Zen Baseball no one would be neither hating him or fawning over him.Because the “I“in Betty would not exist or in other words be totally transparent.
        There is no one practicing! It just appears that way.

        • Betty Lizard

          Just so.

          But I thought moving into emptiness was a bit of a stretch. First “I” will just work on a more balanced attitude toward players and the game, neither loving nor hating. That’s plenty of stretch for me!

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    So does this take over from the last one as the “most devastating/crushing/embarrassing” loss of the season? I can’t keep track, considering how many people say that stuff after any odd loss.

  • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

    Best. Recap. Ever.

    Short sweet, and to the point. None of the statistically-laced wrap-ups would’ve come close.

  • Frank

    Joba has blown 4 of 6 holds this season. The last time he pitched with a 1 run lead in the 8th was vs. the M’s and he gave up a GS to Jose Lopez. Bottom line is this guy has been nothing but inconsistent all season and at this point in the season, he should not be pitching the 8th with a 1 run lead. Wood has been on fire. He should be pitching the 8th, not Joba.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      Funny, I was told that he was inconsistant as a starter because he was too stupid and putting him back in the bullpen would make him lights out again because he doesn’t have to think, just throw.

      Kerry Wood is also walking 5 guys per 9IP, with a 100% LOB%.

    • Evan3457

      That’s not true. He has 23 holds, with 4 blown saves.

      Even if you’re just counting games in which he entered in the 8th inning, he has 15 holds, 4 blown saves, 1 W and 3 L.

      The stats are nearly correct if you’re counting the games he entered in the 8th inning, leading exactly by 1 run. In that very small slice of games, Joba has two holds, 2 blown saves, and 1 loss (the Seattle grand slam is is both a BS and a loss).

      And the last time Joba pitched the 8th inning up by 1 was not in Seattle. It was in Chicago, 2 weeks ago, when he came in up by 1 with 2 outs in the 7th, with a man on 1st. He got the 3rd out, then Konerko reached on Nunez’ error, then the pinch runner got caught stealing. Joba gave up a single, then got a strikeout (with a wild pitch thrown in), and finished the inning with a grounder to Cano.

  • charliechoochoo

    I simply don’t know how we have the best record in baseball. The other teams must truly suck. We have pitching issues (starting pitchers) and our offense sometimes decides to take the night off in the middle of a game. I’m not being sarcastic here. I’ve seen a lot of sucky Yankee games lately. Yet, we still have the best record in baseball. How the hell?

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      Because other teams have worse offenses and crappier pitching

    • Jerome S

      “I simply don’t know how we have the best record in baseball.”

      We’ve won the most games, duh.

  • charliechoochoo

    I would not want to be the one who tells Jeter to go down in the order. But I don’t want to be the one who keeps him where he is either. Difficult conversation to have or difficult decision to not have it.

    I’m assuming (hoping)that the Yankees are coming up with a plan for Jeter to save face and move down. Maybe Jeter saying it’s his decision, as a team guy (Captain) he can’t hold onto the top spot if he’s having an off year.

    I don’t know. Jeter has become the white elephant in the living room.

  • Jerome S

    Moving Jeter down in the lineup might seem like a solution, but

    a) He’ still in the order, and

    b)He he will probable come up with men on base anyway, and even kill a few rallies. Francisco Cervelli bats ninth, that doesn’t stop him from destroying a game or two.

  • Jerome S

    Alex batting .444 since coming off of the DL. If there’s a player who can carry a team, he’s the guy.

  • stos51

    While its sourgrapes now, only one so far has mentioned the awful call at second base. What was even worse was Michael Kay commenting that it was possible that Jeter didn’t tag Kinsler. What could he have been seeing? The replay concluded what everyone thought in the first place-that the runner was out by 3 feet. One of the worst calls of the year!

  • rek4gehrig

    I had my mouth open (in shock) for 30 seconds after that non-call

  • Sunil

    I just hope Girardi isnt scared to bat jeter in the 7th hole come playoff time. Gardner leading off, swisher hitting second is a really strong 1-2 combo. Gardner leading off, jeter hitting second is a double play waiting to happen.