Nov
23

Wood, Vazquez to be offered arbitration; Javy to reject

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This is certainly unexpected. ESPN New York’s Wallace Matthews reports that the Yankees will offer arbitration to Kerry Wood and Javier Vazquez. While the Vazquez news comes from a source of Jayson Stark’s, the decision on Wood comes right from Cashman: “I’m thinking yes on Wood. We’ll do them a favor. If we put them into an arbitration setting, then we can take them out and make a fair market value offer to them.”

Updated (2:49 p.m. by Ben): Here’s an interesting twist on this deal: Ken Rosenthal reports that Javier Vazquez has agreed to reject the Yanks’ arbitration offer. In doing so, the Yanks will earn a supplemental first-round draft pick. “Teams frequently make such gentlemen’s agreements with Type B free agents,” Rosenthal said. “No harm is done to the signing team, which does not lose a pick for signing a Type B player.” As I predicted yesterday, the Yanks are doing their best to salvage the Javier Vazquez deal.

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  • vin

    Wow… Cashman showing some balls in the arbitration world. Attaboy.

    They must be pretty confident that Javy wants to get out of Dodge, and that Kerry will probably decline.

    Otherwise its a pretty big risk (especially Javy) for just sandwich round picks.

    • Slugger27

      i dislike both the decisions, but hopefully im wrong

      i have to think they talked to the javy camp before this… i just cant imagine the risk there unless they know something about him declining that hasnt been made public

    • ramez hanna

      javy will decline and thats it.it is his life on the hook,no more yankee stadium ,thats for sure
      as for wood it is tricky ,he wont get 12 -13 million a year in any place ,his health is bad,i think he accepts .but my question is if the yankees really needed him why didnt they exercise the option for 10.5 mil ??

      • Ed

        if the yankees really needed him why didnt they exercise the option for 10.5 mil ??

        Cashman said: “If we put them into an arbitration setting, then we can take them out and make a fair market value offer to them.”

        Which to me means he saw Benoit’s $16.5m/3 deal setting the market, which he will use as the baseline in an arbitration case. And he’d be able to argue that Wood is worth less due to his injury history.

        • MikeD

          Is Wood a Type A or Type B?

          I’m not sure what the “baseline” in an arbitration case means here. When Wood walks in he will be coming off a contract that paid him $10.5 million in 2010. He has more than a decade service time in the majors compared to Benoit, has been an effective starter, closer and set-up man. The arbitration panel will not award Wood $6 million. They will give him a RAISE!

          I have to believe that the Yankees are using that language to scare off Wood from potentially accepting arbitration. If Wood wants a shot at being a closer, he probably will reject, and that’s what the Yankees want. (That is, unless they think they can sign him at market rate as a set-up man.)

  • B-Rando

    I like it.

    • Slugger27

      i hate it.

      • SodaPopinski

        I like it.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Ballsy. Not a fan, but ballsy.

    • nathan

      Maybe this is a sure sign that they are surrendering #31 for Lee.

      So they are accumulating as much as possible particularly in this draft.

    • brockdc

      Is it really all that balsy though? Javy’s likely to get multiple multi-year offers from some NL teams and probably wouldn’t increase his salary appreciably from an arbitrator; Wood wants the opportunity to close – and justifiably so. As for Wood, worst case scenario is you end up with a shutdown setup guy for one year/12-13 million.

      • Slugger27

        Javy’s likely to get multiple multi-year offers

        do u really believe that? multiple multi-year offers?

        • jsbrendog (returns)

          i believe he will get 2 yr offers but he stated prior to this season he was feeling like yr deals until he decided to hang em up

        • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

          I believe Javy has multi-year offers when I see him signed officially.

          What GM watched at his 86mph FB and flat breaking pitches and thought, “I want to commit to this guy for 2+ years”?

          • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

            If I’m a fringe playoff NL team, I might be willing to give Javy two years. He was not injured last year, which is a big plus to me. It would be a relatively small risk for the possibility of big returns.

            • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

              Except fringe playoff teams in the NL aren’t usually high payroll ballclubs. So yeah if it’s a 2yr/5m total contract then it’s ‘small risk’, but if it’s 5-10m salary for 2012, then it’s big risk.

              • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

                I don’t see 2 years for 15 million or so as a big risk. Lets say medium risk maybe, ha, for the possibility of a front end starter. I’m thinking teams in the 65-90 million range who thinks a move or two can get them in the playoffs.

                • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

                  Except if it’s NL only, it’s Central and East only. Which means Florida, Reds, Cardinals, and Brewers(?).

                  I’d eliminate Reds cause of that stadium. Cardinals just dealt with 7m dead weight know as Penny, and Brewers dealt with 10m dead weight known as Suppan – can’t imagine either team is eager to jump back in bed with that type of risk.

                  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

                    There have already been rumors that the Nationals and Marlins are interested, as well as a couple of other teams. Who knows how it plays out though? The fact that Javy had no problem declining arbitration also makes me think he has a pretty damn good chance of getting at least a two year deal. We will see.

                    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

                      Forgot about the Nationals, they’ll pay him. But I’d still be shocked if Florida gave him 2yr/15m, even after their signing of Buck.

        • brockdc

          Yeah, I should’ve qualified it. I think he’ll get a few two-year offers from middling NL clubs, somewhere in the neighborhood of 8m/per. Not bottom-feeders, but teams with young rotations who need a league-average veteran to solidify the back-end of the rotation. Maybe he even somehow dupes the Marlins or Nats into 2yrs with a 3rd-year option.

          Still, I think this really comes down to Javy not wanting to ever see the Bronx again – and the feeling cutting both ways.

  • mbonzo

    Wow! We had this discussion yesterday and what it came down to with Wood for me was that if he is offered arbitration he could easily accept it. He’d get a lot of money and he’s young enough that if he has a healthy and productive season (any numbers even close to 2010 in NY) he could get a big contract as a closer in 2012. I bet the Yankees have heard that he wants to be a closer and are hoping he won’t take a job as a setup man. It probably also gives them some slight leverage with Mo’s contract negotiation.

    As for Vazquez, I think he wants to get the hell out of New York. Even if he accepts he’ll have some trade value if the Yankees eat part of his contract.

  • Plank

    I might be the only one, but I feel like Kerry Wood can be worth it even if he accepts arbitration.

    • Bill R

      I’d be ok with it, the man was a beast! It’s just money…

  • Wrath Hannd of Prokchop

    if the cashman wanst some$ come get soemthing else atta boy

  • nathan

    Wood ?? Shocking

  • CaptialT

    Bigger risk is Wood. No way Javy comes back to get booed for half his games. Wood might go for it based on the $s as he is such a health risk to get a long term deal elswhere.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

    Sucka Got No Juice says that Javy agreed to decline. Did Cashman threaten his family?

    • UWS

      No, he threatened to run him out on the mound at Yankee Stadium.

      • jsbrendog (returns)

        ietc

  • ADam

    So a few scenarios here I’m thinking,

    1. Both accept and both sign… Instead of draft picks, the yanks trade both and get help/depth/youth now.

    2. Both Decline Yanks get draft picks (if in fact Javy is a type B)

    3 Wood Accepts, Javy Declines, and the Yanks have a deeper/better bullpen and get whatever out of Javy

    4. Vice Versa of scenario 3, Yanks get picks but sign Javy and trade him for depth/youth now…

    Interesting choice(s) if in fact true….

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

    I like it. Like I stated in an earlier thread, I have no idea what goes into the decision to offer these guys arbitration or not from the outside looking in. At the very least, it adds some more excitement to the off season. I guess it comes down to just not letting pitchers walk for nothing. Cashman knows that pitching rules. Or its Cashman’s continued secret love affair with Javy. I don’t know.

    • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

      Also credit to Ben for being on this Javy situation yesterday.

  • Anthony Murillo

    Javy rejected arb according to Rosenthal.

    • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

      Wouldn’t this break some sort of rule? Agreeing to reject arbitration (which would clearly benefit the player in this case) sounds like it would piss off the player’s union to no end. And anything that pisses off the MLBPA seems to be illegal these days.

      • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

        Can the MLBPA file a claim for a player without his request?

        • AndrewYF

          Didn’t they do it for A-Rod?

          The MLBPA will file a suit if it’s in the best interests of ALL players. You’re part of the union, you’re supposed to do what’s in the best interest of the union. Most of the time, it intersects with your interests.

      • vin

        I think it happens all the time though. A lot of times its under the guise of helping out the veteran who would rather pitch closer to home, play on a winner, or have a bigger role with the team.

      • nathan

        Meh. It has been a practice forever. Infact they encourage players to decline. They will cry foul if they dont get signed later though.

  • Griffey’s Grotesquely Swollen Jaw

    I agree with this move. I think that there’s nothing to lose here. if Wood walks then we get a pick. if not we hopefully get a reliable set-up guy. if Vazquez doesn’t walk, can’t we cut bait in Spring Training if it doesn’t work out, assuming good-faith of course. I think it’s a win-win for both players and the Yankees.

  • vin

    Perhaps offering Javy arbitration is Cashman’s way of telling Pettitte, “hey, rotation spots may be filling up quickly.”

    It’s probably a very small side benefit.

    My guess is that they are confident he won’t accept. No arbitrator would give him less than 10 million – its just not how it works.

  • Doug

    This is why it sometimes makes sense to play nice with the agents. Get to reap the rewards later on.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      Agreed; if Cashman threw Javy under the bus this year there’d be no chance that he’d tell Cashman that he will decline.

    • Slugger27

      you’re definitely right about this. cashman seems to have a lot of good relationships with a lot of agents and other GMs. thats really smart on his part.

  • Donny

    Disaster would be both accept and the Yanks have Wood & Javy in 2011 for $20 million instead of Cliff Lee for $18 million.

    I like the gamble though. Very happy Cashman is playing aggressive.

    • Slugger27

      now that he knows javy’s declining, of course. but doing it blindly wouldnt have been “playing aggressive”, it wouldve just been stupid.

      • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

        Just stupid? Barely. There was nearly no way Javy was going to accept arbitration.

        • Slugger27

          of course u say that now, because we know now he agreed to decline.

          if i had said we should offer javy arb a few weeks ago, i wouldve been laughed out of the room. so yes, cashman offering javy arb without talking to him/his agents and gauging whether they would accept or not wouldve been stupid.

          • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi
            • Slugger27

              i said “a few weeks ago”

              the post you linked to was less than 24 hours ago

              • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                You said: “of course u say that now, because we know now he agreed to decline.”

                Which is incorrect.

                And it doesn’t matter whether Ben said it two weeks before the decision was announced or two hours before it was announced. Before we learned that the Yanks were offering arbitration to Javy and that Javy had agreed to decline, Ben made the argument that the Yanks should make the offer because he thought Javy would decline.

                This isn’t a gray area, there’s a right and a wrong here. It’s not a big deal, but you really should just say ‘whoops, my bad,’ because when you refuse to admit you’re wrong even when faced with evidence to the contrary, you kind of hurt your own credibility.

                • Slugger27

                  this isn’t a gray area? ben “making the argument” means there isnt a gray area? i know ben made the argument, and i disagreed with it. as i said, a few weeks ago, mike and many others on here said no way to offering arb… now a few minor rumors come out about the marlins, and suddenly javy can make more than 11M on the open market. i hear constantly on this site about posturing through the media, how everything should be taken with a grain of salt… but now everyone is fueling the “we should offer javy arb” argument with a few links from MLBTR… i stand by what i said, a few weeks ago the thought of offering javy arb was crazy (again, assuming we didn’t know what we know now, that javy would decline) and a few MLBTR links about the marlins in my eyes didn’t make it any more sane.

                  because when you refuse to admit you’re wrong even when faced with evidence to the contrary, you kind of hurt your own credibility.

                  to be honest i have no idea what this is referencing. not to sound snarky (to borrow one of your lines) but it sounds like you getting on your high horse that you have a tendency get on.

                  • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                    Unfortunate.

                    • Slugger27

                      agreed.

        • Clay Bellinger

          The point is moot now as he’s obviously already agreed to decline, but just out of curiousity, how was there “nearly now way” that he’d accept? Say he just decided that he wanted the most money. Accepting clearly would have been the way for him to do that.

          There’s no way the Yanks would’ve offered him arb without him agreeing to decline beforehand. Even if there was only a 20% chance he’d accept. The dude could’ve been $10+ mil of dead weight that they would have had to move.

          • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

            I get what you are saying, but to be fair, Ben was on the fact that Javy would not want to accept arbitration. He didn’t know Javy told the Yanks that though, obviously.

            • Clay Bellinger

              Yes, Ben was def right on that one – Javy surely wouldn’t have wanted to accept the arb, but there had to be a legit chance that him and his agent would’ve sat there as said “screw it, we won’t get this money anywhere else, let’s take it and they’ll have to trade me”. Obviously the Yanks thought so. If they didn’t, then they wouldn’t have bothered asking him to decline beforehand to be sure that they aren’t stuck with him.

              • Clay Bellinger

                …but all in all, this ends up being a sweet deal for the Yanks.

              • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

                I was with you. I would not have offered Javy arbitration. But, the Yanks were in position to talk to Javy and get him to basically guarantee he will turn it down. Ben, presumably without any of that information, called that Javy would decline from his couch. If anything, Ben deserves even more credit.

                • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

                  And I say presumably because he may very well have more information than you and me. He may know an insider or two for all we know. I really don’t know though.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      As we reported in the post above, Javy’s going to decline. Your disaster scenario just won’t come to fruition. It’s not even worth thinking about it.

      • mbonzo

        What happens if Javy can’t find a team willing to give him a multi-year deal? Couldn’t he accept and just deal with the Yankees hating his guts? Almost seems worth a few million dollars.

        • king of fruitless hypotheticals

          its irrelevant. he would have already declined arbitration. sure, we dont get a pick, but we also dont get javy. NOT GETTING JAVY is the goal.

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          He has to make a decision in a week. He’s not going to accept.

  • http://www.twitter.com/vscafuto Vinny Scafuto

    Perhaps the Wood deal is Cash creating some leverage against Mo, to bring his price down.

  • mbonzo

    If they’re going to offer Wood arbitration, why not offer Berkman too? Too many risks I suppose. We’ll see what happens.

  • jsbrendog (returns)

    are both type bs? or is wood a type a?

  • CountryClub

    Even though he’s be getting overpaid, I’d be fine with Wood accepting. If I were the yanks, I’d much rather have him for 1 yr at 13 mil than 3 yrs at 18 mil (for example).

  • UncleArgyle

    If you accept arbitration you waive all no trade rights. Javy did not want to pitch on the West Coast under any circumstances, and the Yankees could have dumped him on anyone with a one year deal and them eating most of the salary. Easy decision on Javy’s part. Wood is definately more intresting

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

    I’m convinced that these arbitration rules are completely ridiculous and bogus. The Yanks and Javy agreed ahead of time that it would be declined? That is completely ridiculous in my opinion. I don’t know. It just seems like baseball really needs re work some of their arcane, odd rules.

    • jsbrendog (returns)

      but how does a type b declining affect anyone? no one loses anything

      • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

        It’s mis-use of the system; or using a “gentlmen’s agreement” to create a loophole.
        Of course no one gave a crap about it until it involves the Yankees, but that was expected.

        • Ted Nelson

          Not necessarily. Even if you make a rule penalizing teams for “gentlemen’s agreements” a team could still get a pretty good read on whether a guy is going to decline during the course of contract negotiations. If the agent comes to you with a 3 year offer from another team with a fairly close AAV… well, you know the guy is declining.

          • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

            Getting a read is different than openly saying yeah both sides came to an understanding to circumvent the rules.

            • jsbrendog (returns)

              theyre not circumventing any rules or they would be getting reprimanded. there are no rules concerning this.

    • Ted Nelson

      I don’t know if the current system is perfect, but there’s not much you can do about a team already knowing a player is likely to decline if you allow them to negotiate before they have to make arb decisions… I don’t know what the rules are exactly but there doesn’t have to be any sort of collusion here: the Yankees could have ascertained that Javy was 99% likely to decline arbitration during the course of normal contract negotiation. Example… Yankees reach out, Javy tells them he’s not interested in being a Yankee next season and already has multiple 3 year deals on the table.

      At the end of the day the Yankees also have no certainty, I’m pretty sure. It’s not like Javy has entered a legally binding agreement that he’ll decline. He can accept and flick the Yankees off all next season if he feels like being a dick. Or perhaps if he slips tomorrow and busts his shoulder.

      • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

        No, I get that this is a common practice in MLB. And not only this rule, but excluding international players from the draft, all the adding and subtracting of picks during free agency, arbitration, team control for minor leaguer rules, etc … They are all overly complicated and all over the place. The whole thing should be blown up, and done over again, in my opinion. It is obviously not going to happen though. This has just been the evolution of the agreements between the owners and the players over the years.

        • Ted Nelson

          From the Yankees’ stand-point doing it all over probably means a salary cap. I’m not totally against competing on an even playing field, but it’s hard to say that doesn’t take a competitive advantage away from the Yankees.

          The draft picks for losing free agents is part of what allows for the have’s and have-not’s structure, as is team control/arbitration for young players.

          I could see another system being better overall, but probably not better for the Yankees.

          • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

            Yea, most of the rules are a product of trying to even the playing field as much as possible. Whats with the international prospects going to the highest bidder though? Just something the small market teams haven’t managed to get control of yet?

            Everything is just so complex and/or convoluted, it just makes me think there has got to be a better, easier way. I’m probably wrong though. Baseball has done alright for themselves over the last century plus.

        • camilo Gerardo

          Gentleman’s agreement or not, Javy will decline arbitration in hopes to get a better contract as a Free Agent. Does the word Guarantee mean anything to you? Because I would want a Guaranteed contract if I were a MLB pitcher

          • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

            Yes, I get that. I have no problem with what either side did under the current rules. I just don’t like the rules, but like I said earlier, they are not going to change any time soon.

  • Beantown Bombers Fan

    Oh well, it’s not my money.

    • nathan

      Do you get into the stadium for free or get YES network for free or how about Yankee apparel?

      • yankees1717

        what do those things have to do with his post?

        • nathan

          ” Oh well, it’s not my money. “

      • Poopy Pants

        You can listen on the radio for free. Only a retarded child should be wearing ‘sports apparel’.
        Adults look like fucking idiots advertising for spoiled millionaires.

        • pete

          eh. I have no problem with folks wearing Yankees hats, and my only problem with other hats is A) the teams they advertise, and B) if they are not the standard team hats, or something close to that

  • Ted Nelson

    Any thoughts on implications as far as Mo’s request for a 2 year $36 mm offer? i.e. maybe the Yankees offer to Wood in part because they’re not sure Mo’s coming back…

    • UncleArgyle

      Mo’s coming back. You can take it to the bank.

      • Ted Nelson

        I would expect him to, but there’s still a chance.

        If no other team if bidding it could also be to gain leverage on Mo, even if the Yankees fully intend to make every effort to bring him back.

  • Fair Weather Freddy

    I like the move with Javy. not crazy about offering it to Wood, though didn’t someone say there is an escape clause if they accept and then sign? Gives Yanks opportunity to recoup lost draft picks if they sign Lee and/or Downs.

    • jsbrendog (returns)

      only if the player’s performance does not justify the contract..so no, basically there is no out because unless wood srats throwing 85 with no bite theyre stuck with him unless they trade him

  • http://www.or.ly JM

    YES! Thanks Javy! You finally contributed!
    (Yes, I know he did great for a month or so but still great move)

  • steve (different one)

    This is where so much of our speculation is worthless (this goes for past years as well). Cashman just has so much more info than we do. Would it be crazy that Cashman already knows he has several teams lined up to trade for Wood if he accepts? Not at all. Just like in the past, he may have talked to other GMs about someone like Abreu. “Hey guys, if Abreu accepts, how much of his $15M would I have to eat to get you interested? $7M? Oh, Forget it…”

  • coolerking101

    What’s not to like? Yanks get a draft pick for Vasquez, so he’s not a total loss. Yanks either get another pick for losing Wood, or overpay him to be a stud in the pen for one more year. Where’s the downside? It’s not like Wood’s contract is going to hamper the team economically for years down the road (ARod, cough, AJ, cough).

  • bronxbrain

    I wonder if there’s a possibility that Cashman and Wood’s agent have also prearranged an agreement–that Wood would reject arbitration and then sign a three year, $19 million contact. It wouldn’t shock me if Wood wanted to continue pitching for the Yankees more than he wanted to close. If the Yankees guaranteed him three years (a lot for a 33 year old with a history of serious injuries, I know), Wood might just be persuaded. And the Yankees might have been won over by how useful and effective it was to have an effective set-up guy–their first since Tom Gordon. Recent prevailing wisdom has been not to guarantee multiple years to relievers (other than closers), but Wood is a special case.

    • Ed

      I wonder if there’s a possibility that Cashman and Wood’s agent have also prearranged an agreement–that Wood would reject arbitration and then sign a three year, $19 million contact.

      What would be the point? What would they gain from offering arbitration in that case?

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    (grins smugly)

    tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder says:
    November 22, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Yeah, I’ve gone back and forth on it, and I’m now of the opinion that we should offer arb to Jeter, Javy, and Wood but not Berkman.

    I think Javy and Wood have seen enough interest expressed in them on the market that they’d be confident that they’d be able to best the money they’d make in arb in a multi-year deal this winter. Not in AAV, but in total monies and contract length/security.

    Wood and Javy only need probably 2/15-ish each to make it worth walking away from 1/11; while it’s a decline in AAV, they both have medical concerns that makes it dicey for them to go year to year. And they both can now reasonably expect to do better than 2/15.

    Berkman’s market, meanwhile, isn’t materializing (or, at least, isn’t materializing enough to justify walking away from a potential 1/15 payday in arbitration). He’s too risky; Javy and Wood’s risk has gone down significantly, IMO.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....nt-1333832

    • mbonzo

      Thought of that comment right away. I’m pretty sure Cashman reads our comments in the offseason.

    • steve (different one)

      But you were wrong on Jeter.

      It says here you have a Joseph “Blue” Pulaski on your official rosters. His zeroes bring your average down to 59%.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        YOU’RE MY BOY, SCOTTY BLUE!!!!

  • nsalem

    I think that Mo has much more leverage in asking for 2 years (probably not at 18 million though) than Jeter in asking for 4 more years. This is simply because there would be lots of interest in Mo for two years as opposed to Derek getting 3 years from anyone. I find the arbitration offer to Wood surprising and think there is a really possibility of him accepting. I really can’t see a scenario where Mo
    is in another uniform. Maybe the Benoit signing was an eye opener to contending GM’s everywhere.

  • J

    FYI: These will be the last two picks of the supplimental round, as Vazquez and Wood are the second to lowest and lowest ranked type B’s respectively.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I don’t think it works that way. The Elias Rankings are used to determine who’s a Type A and who’s a Type B, and used to determine what team gets what pick if a team signs multiple Type As, but the ordering of the created sandwich round picks is determined by team W/L record, not by quality of free agent signed.

      Clubs that have lost a Type A Free Agent shall receive the first selections in the supplemental round, in the reverse order of their win-loss percentage in the preceding season. Each team who lost a Type A player will pick once before any other team who lost a Type A Free Agent picks for a second time in the supplemental round, then if a team lost a second Type A Free Agent, it will pick again. (For example, if the NYY have the worst record in baseball and lose two Type A Free Agents, they would have the first sandwich pick, then all the other teams who lost Type A Free Agents will pick once, then the NYY would receive their comp pick for the second Type A Free Agent). Following the compensation picks for Type A Free Agents, clubs that have lost a Type B Free Agent shall receive selections, in reverse order of their win-loss percentage from the preceding season, in the same fashion as the Type A comps. Supplemental picks may not be forfeited.

      http://wiki.soxprospects.com/M.....ick+System

      It’s effectively the same thing, since we had one of the best W/L records, we’ll pick towards the bottom of the supplemental round, but them’s the breaks.

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        still better than second round picks!

    • mbonzo

      Not so, I think you might be looking at a list in alphabetical order. Vazquez is the 5th ranked Type B and Wood is the 33rd out of 50.
      http://backseatfan.com/2010/10.....ee-agents/

      • mbonzo

        I’m assuming you’re looking at this list.
        http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....kings.html

        Also, what tommy said above. Supplement picks are given by win/loss record. Yankees won’t have the last because Benoit, Crawford, Soriano, Pena, Balfour, Choate and possible Qualls and Hawpe. Though I doubt the last two will be offered arb, Rays should have a handful of picks after the Yankees.

        • J

          I see. That alphabetical thing tripped me up.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          You can take Crawford, Soriano, and Balfour off of that list; they’re Type A’s. All those picks come before the Type B sandwich picks.

          The critical ones are Benoit (who’s already signed elsewhere, thus he’s definitely netting the Rays a Type B sandwich), Choate, Hawpe, Peña, and Qualls. If they all end up getting arb offers, declining them, and signing elsewhere, those 5 picks will be the last 5 of the sandwich round. The Wood and Vazquez picks will come before those do.

  • vinny-b

    i like the Wood offer.

    wouldn’t bother me a bit, if the Yankees get ‘stuck’ with Kerry Wood for next year. The Yankees piss away money 24/7. At least they will have a solid set-up man.

  • Chip

    I find it interesting that there isn’t anything about Berkman NOT being offered. It’s quite possible that Cashmoney got him to agree to turn down arbitration when the trade was done and Berkman wanted to make sure his option wouldn’t be picked up. I’ll bet they end up offering it to him.

    If we can end up with three supplemental picks outta this, I’m going to be quite the happy guy

  • bonestock94

    Wow, biggest surprise of the offseason thus far. That’s crazy! Since Javy is declining I love it. I wouldn’t mind seeing Wood in 2011 at all, from what I’ve gathered money isn’t a big deal to the Yanks.

  • Avi

    I’m more surprised by Wood than Vazquez. Wood would have to get something like a three year $24M deal (or more) to pass the $11-12M he’ll make in arbitration. In a free agent class that’s VERY deep in quality relievers I definitely wouldn’t be confident someone would offer him that.

  • camilo Gerardo

    can someone clear something up with Berkman; he made us decline his option contingent on him waiving his no trade clause. By that logic, wouldn’t it be safe for us to offer him arbitration.

    Or is it a changing market for slightly to above average 1Bmen, these days?

    • FachoinaNYY

      yeah i never quite understood this either…

    • Avi

      Yeah, If the Yanks offer Berkman Arbitration it’ll be in the $15M range and he almost definetly takes it. He likely signs a contact in the $5M range. I wouldn’t trust anyone’s “gentleman’s agreement” with that money on the table.

    • J

      Possibly: When he made us decline the option, there was still a chance of him signing with Houston or Texas(where he wants to be). But Houston moved Lee to first, and I don’t really know if Texas has much interest. Since going back to Texas is closed off, NY looks better and better.
      Of course, this is a total guess.

  • Oliver Queen

    I like the picks the Yanks would get if they declined. Not my money if they accept.

    This only really becomes a problem if Javy accepts and prevents them from landing Cliff Lee.

  • ZZ

    Very positive turn events on the Vazquez front.

    They may be able to actually salvage something additional out of the Boone Logan trade after all.

    Also, very classy move by Javy.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Thank god he was crappy enough to not make it to Type A, eh?

      /silverlining’d

  • YankeesJunkie

    There is nothing wrong with Vazquez getting arbitration since he was known to decline, however I feel uneasy about offering it to Wood and having the chance to being paying 25 million a year for two relievers.

  • Sexy Man Inc.

    Is it possible the Yanks have a deal with a national league Team ( Braves, Marlins, Nationals, Dodgers) in place where they pick up half of Burnett’s salary in exchange for a marginal prospect? Money saved there goes to Wood. It seems like an odd coincidence we find out pettitte is coming back, and Wood is offered arbitration on the same day. Maybe pettitte is coming back at a reduced cost too.

  • JerseyDutch

    I’m baffled. I thought we were all hoping that Javy would return next year.

    • MikeD

      I don’t understand. I thought we were bringing Kevin Brown back to replace Javy next year?

    • pete

      baffled.

  • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime Dela G

    brilliant move