Open Thread: Over The Edge


(AP Photo/The Advocate, Kathleen O'Rourke)

That picture by itself is enough to terrify me, nevermind actually being out there hanging off the side of building 300-something feet in the air. Brian Cashman manned up and rappelled down the 22-story Landmark Building in Stamford three freaking times this morning in advance of this weekend’s Heights and Lights even, and Ben Shpigel brilliantly recapped the ordeal. Here’s video. Maybe I’m just a wuss, but that’s insane.

Anyway, here’s tonight’s open thread. The Rangers and Islanders are wrapping up their home-and-home, plus both the Knicks and Nets are in action. Use this thread for whatever your heart desires.

Weekend Writer Update: We’re still pouring through the applications folks, thanks for being patient.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Mattchu12 says:


  2. Bryan L says:

    Edes says the Sox are working on a trade for Adrian Gonzalez using only minor league players…

    I don’t buy this at all.

  3. Samuel says:

    What, no helmet?

  4. YankeesJunkie says:

    Any thoughts on the WC bids handed out yesterday.

    • Esteban says:

      It’s all about the money. Bribery works.

      They also better make those stadiums in Qatar with retractable roofs. Average temp in July is 96 degrees.

      • Esteban says:

        And according to Bill Simmons, though I’m not finding much in terms of corroboration, Sepp Blatter bought a $125 million villa in Italy today. Might just be Simmons making stuff up.

        • Guest says:

          Almost certainly. 125 Million Dollar villas…don’t really exist in abundance. And if Sepp Blatter bought one of those babies, I’m pretty sure whole world would know.

    • Mark says:

      Money talks, watch the BBC documentary on corruption on the voting panel for the proof.

    • Jose the Satirist says:

      A country that is rated a tier-3 trafficking country, has no football tradition, is hot as hell, has sponsorship laws that are modern slavery, has ridiculous alcohol laws, and is in an unstable part of the world sounds like a fantastic place for a major sporting event.

  5. Tom Zig says:

    Every time I try to go to ESPN’s MLB page Flash crashes. Is it just Google Chrome, my computer, or ESPN’s MLB page?

  6. Tony says:

    Is it just me or does Cashman suddenly have more hair?

  7. Kit says:

    Wow, that looks like something I am not insane enough to try.


  8. Mark says:

    Is it just me or does that picture make it look like Cash is just holding the rope and not actually tied to anything?

  9. Monteroisdinero says:

    Cash is thinking: I can’t believe Cliff Lee dared me to do this.

  10. Yankeegirl49 says:

    I think it’s cool as hell and I would love to do that!

  11. James A says:

    The Nets and Bobcats may be playing the ugliest game in the history of the NBA
    neither team will be close to 40 points at halftime

  12. Hughesus Christo says:

    I want to congratulate the Yankees for leaking yet another asshole quote to the press re: Jeter

  13. icebird753 says:

    Mike, I offer you 3 free nights with me in exchange for the writing position.

  14. OldYanksFan says:
    “The Red Sox offered reliever Mariano Rivera a two-year, $30 million deal and were prepared to non-tender closer Jonathan Papelbon, according to a baseball source with direct knowledge of the negotiations.”

    Theo… Bus…. Under…. Papelbon

    • JerseyDutch says:

      Mo gets another offer and quickly signs. Jeter is holding out for more money when no one else is interested in signing him.

      It’s like hot stove on the Bizarro World.

  15. Zack says:

    Rod Barjas got $3.8 million……WTF

  16. T-Dubs says:

    If you’re Toronto, would you offer Snider and Hechavarria for Gonzalez?

    • bonestock94 says:

      No, they’re not close enough to contending to go all out for a 1 year rental…imo

      • I think they are a lot closer than we all think. They were not that bad last year, they’d obviously be in playoff contention in any other division, but all they really lacked was a high team OBP. They had all the power, yet nobody on base.

        Their pitching staff will be young and inexperienced next year, and they won’t have as much power with Encarnacion, Buck and Gonzalez gone, but there is no reason to believe that Aaron Hill and Lind won’t have bounce back years.

        Also, Tampa’s first baseman, left fielder, and almost all their bullpen is gone… and Boston a great bat behind the plate, so it’s not unreasonable to think that the BJs take advantage of the situation.

        • bonestock94 says:

          I think in any other division they’d be a legit threat, but I just don’t see them besting 2/3 of the Yankees, Red Sox, or Rays. Their pitching is good, but is it better than the expected rotations of TB BOS or NY? I’m not sure what to expect from their offense, I don’t see Bautista or Wells getting close to their ’10 seasons. Crazy shit happens though, look at the Padres last year.

      • Right, Gonzalez doesn’t have a no-trade but you would assume that he’d want to negotiate an extension. It doesn’t make any sense to trade away top prospects for a guy only a year away from free agency.

    • All Star Carl says:

      If you can sign him long term, why not?

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      Keep the prospects and build for 2012 and beyond.

    • From an outside POV yes, from Toronto’s POV I’m not sure. They have Escobar manning short already so Hechevarria could be expendable, but Snider has a small chance to become Gonzalez-lite.

    • T-Dubs says:

      I don’t think I do either. I just find it hard to believe that no team is willing to offer a young Big Leaguer and a prospect for a year of Gonzalez and 2 draft picks. Toronto was just the first package I could think of.

  17. bexarama says:

    I no longer need to read LoHud/NYYFans for my lulz. Today, I discovered the archive videos of SNY’s Wheelhouse/Loud Mouths, and I went searching for “Yankees” or what have you.

    El. Oh. El.

  18. mbonzo says:

    Substantial progress in Jeter negotiations according to Jon Heyman.

  19. Monteroisdinero says:

    Captain Varitek 1 year $2M

    too much/too little?

  20. mike c says:

    jose bautista/HGH (haters gonna hate)
    is a FA in 2012, i could see the mets going for him after beltran’s off the books

    • mbonzo says:

      Its possible, but I think the Mets are gonna be putting a lot of money in to their farm system. They’re gonna have to resign Reyes and find a second baseman, a center fielder, and possibly a catcher. They’re also probably gonna have to take care of their starting pitching situation, which could be a mess if Santana doesn’t rebound.

      I could see the Mets signing Bautista and Rickie Weeks.

  21. ZZ says:

    Some Yankee fans have lost it a bit with this Russel Martin stuff.

    To start Mike was incorrect in the chat. Martin broke his hip in addition to tearing his labrum. Before that even happened he produced at Cervelli levels for 2 straight seasons. 2 straight years of being as terrible as Cervelli and now having to deal with coming off a serious hip injury. Not promising.

    He was set to make upwards of $6 million if he went to arbitration. Indications were that he would have agreed to a deal for $5 with incentives from the Dodgers.

    If Russel Martin were a Yankee the past 2 years and they came to terms with him on a $5-6 million contract Yankee fans would have a heart attack after how awful he was the past 2 seasons.

    Then some Yankee fans are saying how great his flexibility is. How many times have we heard that what does it matter if you can play a bunch of positions if you can’t hit?

    There is upside there. That is the only attractive thing about Martin. It is not worth trading Cervelli for someone who has produced basically the same as him for 2 seasons, just came off a serious hip injury, and now is in line for $5-6 million. Yankee fans shouldn’t make Martin into someone he isn’t because of their dislike of Cervelli.

    • You’re ignoring his defense, which any way you slice it is an upgrade to Cervelli. Plus his main upside is his ability to hit some home runs, something Cervelli doesn’t do at all. I mean.. he didn’t even have a line drive that wrapped around the pole. Even guys like Nunez and Pena get those occasionally.

      Anyway the trade didn’t go down so it’s pointless speculating about it, and I don’t think there’s any way the Yankees would sign him for anything close to 5m per year. I don’t see Mike or anyone else making Martin out to be a world beater, just that IF he’s available and can be obtained for peanuts, he’d be a good option to split time with Montero this year.

      • mbonzo says:

        Cervelli had a bad year catching in 2010. I love RAB but for a site that always jumps down people’s throats for using their gut on players instead of statistics, why are we ignoring Cervelli’s other years catching? He thew out 41% of runners in the minors and 43% in 2009. This was his first year catching more than 42 games since 2007. Russell Martin is a more proven fielder, but if you had not seen either player’s 2010, you would say Cervelli projects to be the better fielder. I’ll stick with the younger, cheaper, healthier player in Cervelli than the few homeruns you’ll get with Martin.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          Russell Martin is a more proven fielder, but if you had not seen either player’s 2010, you would say Cervelli projects to be the better fielder.

          Based on what? Cervelli was miserable defensively this season, there was nothing that would make you think he’d be a better fielder than Martin going forward.

          • mbonzo says:

            I’m saying they’re equal players. Cervelli is a more patient hitter, and Martin is a better power hitter. They’re equal to me, but I’ll take the cheaper and healthier player. People who are saying he’s an awful defender are using 1 season of statistics. This is equivalent to saying Jose Bautista is the best homerun hitter in baseball.

            • Jimmy McNulty says:

              A more patient hitter? Based on what? Over the past two seasons Martin’s been hitting like .250 yet managing an OBP in the .350s That’s a pretty damn good walk rate…much better than Cervo’s.

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          In 2009 Cervelli showed the inability to take a walk, in 2010 he showed the complete in ability to hit for power. I doubt pitchers will give him pitches to hit if he can barely get the ball out of the infield.

          • mbonzo says:

            Except he’s been taking walks without power his whole career. I must sound like I love the guy, but I’m just trying to stop people from judging him based on small sample size.

            • You’re doing exactly the opposite, actually. You’re telling us to ignore his largest MLB sample size (2010) and telling us to place more stock in smaller samples (2009) and his stint at the AA level. Does not compute.

              And wouldn’t you take the occasional homer over the occasional walk? Wouldn’t everyone?

              • mbonzo says:

                You’re asking me to look at 90 games behind the plate when we have fielding statistics on 343 professional games listed on baseball-reference, and you’re accusing me of using small sample size. I’m saying look at all 343.

                • No, you’re saying compare minor league statistics to major league statistics and assume everything is equal. They’re not. I’m going by his largest MLB sample size since that’s what, you know, counts.

                  • mbonzo says:

                    Well I disagree that major league stats are all that counts. 90 games isn’t enough to decide what kind of a fielder someone is, especially when you’ve never played that many games in 3 years. You’re ignoring a huge sample size and accepting a small one.

        • This was his first year catching more than 42 games since 2007.

          So basically we should ignore Cervelli’s largest sample size behind the plate and trust what he did in AA and in 2009? What kind of statistical sense does that make?

          if you had not seen either player’s 2010, you would say Cervelli projects to be the better fielder.

          Yeah, and if I cut out 2009 and 2010 I’d say Dustin Pedroia projects to be better than Robinson Cano. You can’t just cherry pick what seasons to count.

          I’ll stick with the younger, cheaper, healthier player in Cervelli than the few homeruns you’ll get with Martin.

          And assuming he could be obtained on the cheap, I’d go with the better defensive player with occasional pop in Martin over Cervelli – who got exposed when given a starting catcher role.

          • mbonzo says:

            Cervelli has 200+ games in the minors and 40+ listed in the majors before this season. 2010 is not his largest sample size.

            2010 was a bad year fielding for him but the rest of his career he was fantastic, but you seem to think that he’ll post a career 17% CS rate.

            So Austin Romine fell apart this year after he caught more seasons than he ever did before, does that make him exposed? Cervelli’s only 24, he’s got a history of beinga successful catcher but with a major bump in the road in 2010. He’s better than his 2010 numbers say. Its more likely to me that Cervelli picks up his catching and hits like he did this year, than Martin getting healthy and hitting like he did in 2007 as a backup catcher. On top of that you’ll be paying millions for him compared to Cervelli.

            • 1) I don’t count what he did in the GCL and A ball. Why should I? Minor league stats don’t translate into the majors, this should be obvious.

              2) Comparing a top prospect developing as a player to Cervelli is silly.

              3) How do you know Cervelli is better than what he was in 2010? Just because a player hit for an .850 OPS in the minors doesn’t mean he’s guaranteed to do the same in the majors. Why are defensive statistics any different? He’s facing much, much better players.

              4) I’ve said it like 3 times already but I’ll say it again – I wouldn’t touch Martin if he wants a ton of money. I’m assuming he’ll come on the cheap or not at all.

              • mbonzo says:

                The fielding numbers on baseball reference only show for AA and AAA. They don’t directly translate, but they give you a good idea of what they’re capable of. A player with a 41% cs rate in the minors should not have a 17% cs in the majors.

                I don’t think he’ll ever post an .850 OPS, but I am really just talking here about how everyone seems to think his 2010 catching stats are representative of his career.

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          Furthermore, Cervelli slugged over .400 just once in his minor league career. That’s pretty putrid.

          • mbonzo says:

            So he can’t slug, and according to you he cant catch and he’s not a patient hitter. Despite what you say he’s consistently walked way above average in the minors and was a monster behind the plate. But lets just judge him on what he did covering for Posada.

            • JobaWockeeZ says:

              He has a career .750 OPS in his minor league career. It’s decent but not really good. It would be fine if he could play defense which IMO seems like an unknown. With exposed playing time he flat out sucked.

              A backup catcher should be able to defend. He could be league average for all I care with the bat but defense is key especially when Montero is being called up.

              • mbonzo says:

                Well he’s never gonna be a star hitter. I’m just “defending” his defense. He’s not the greatest catcher back there, but his minor league stats say that he should be at least above average. His 2009 catching was one of the best in 40 games, but 2010 was one of the worst in 90 games. I think he’s more likely to be an above average defensive back up catcher than repeat 2010.

      • ZZ says:

        Yeah, if Martin can be had for really cheap he is interesting.

        I was referring to the people upset they turned down the trade and just the general level of excitement.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      He did not tear his labrum, his agent confirmed as much a week or two ago. He emailed me directly at MLBTR after I posted this originally saying that the labrum was torn:

  22. Monteroisdinero says:

    Cervelli will form 1/2 of the greatest Venezuelan catcher duo ever next year. How can 1/2 feel so much smaller than the other?

  23. bonestock94 says:

    Wow, I didn’t know Arroyo got an extension, 3/35. Career FIP just under 4.5, innings eater though. Worst contract so far of this offseason? I think so.

  24. yankees1717 says:

    just had a strange thought re Mo: had he signed with LAA or BOS, how would he have done vs. the yanks? would they have hit him better than other teams maybe, because of familiarity? how about jorge, would he have a better chance? IMO it wouldn’t make much of a difference, but what do you guys think?

    • bexarama says:

      I think you could be as familiar as you could get with Mo and you still probably couldn’t hit him very well. It’s just the way he pitches. Yeah some guys have pretty good numbers against him, but I know there was like… one player who had maybe 26 or 27 PAs against him and never even got on base. Carlos Pena is like 0-for-14 with a HBP. Manny had a million appearances against him and is one of the greatest hitters the game has ever known and has pretty meh numbers.

      Mosanna in the highest.

      • Kiersten says:

        Yeah I mean the dude’s been throwing the same pitch for 15 years and they still can’t hit him. It might help a little bit (I think that’s why the Sox have had the most success against him), but not much.

  25. mbonzo says:

    Yankees should offer Wang a minor league contract and have him replace Ace in the bullpen.

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