May
22

Open Thread: Evil Bunts

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Grandy, nooo!

The Yankees came back and won the rubber game of the first leg of the Subway Series this afternoon, pushing eight runs across in the seventh inning. Within that inning, Curtis Granderson bunted a pair of runners into scoring position with no outs, which left a number of us … baffled. Not only has Grandy hit the second most homers in all of baseball (including one earlier in the game), but the play also took the bat out of Mark Teixeira‘s hands since he was intentionally walked one batter later. Grandy and Tex have been the Yankees’ two best hitters all year, and the play took them right out of the equation with the score tied.

After the game, Joe Girardi told reporters that the bunt was called from the dugout, and they called for it because “we had some momentum going.” Face-freaking-palm. Yes, it worked because they scored a ton of runs that inning, but holy cow is that bad process. I can’t, I just can’t.

Anyway, once you’re done scratching your head, use this as your open thread. The ESPN Sunday Night game has the Red Sox and Cubs (Wakefield vs. James Russell), though Matt Garza was scratched because of a balky elbow. The Bulls and Heat are playing a little later on as well. Talk about whatever your heart desires, so have at it.

Categories : Open Thread
  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    That bunt was indefensible. Second most HR in MLB, sure, lay down a goddamn bunt. So stupid.

    • Sheepmeister

      Now now, we all know that if Grandy would have swung, the odds of hitting into a triple play were quite high, I know thats exactly where Giardi was coming from, so he didn’t kill the rally with 3 outs but only 1.

      • NoBuntsAllowed

        A number 2 hitter in that situation is supposed to bunt, the fact that Granderson has 16 HR’s makes it less a slam dunk but Granderson like the rest of the Yanks haven’t been great with runners on base. Even the Mets were expecting it since it is baseball 101. Tex btw is no where near the Yanks best hitter this year since he is prone to striking out and rolling over pitches on the outside part of the plate. You can’t just look at HR’s and say someone is a team’s best hitter because of 1 stat. Tex could have hit a HR in that situation but w/AROD behind him where is the harm in taking the bat out of his hand since AROD is a much better hitter than Tex?

        The homerun is great but in this situation the Yanks played it safe and allowed a AROD (not a bad player) and Cano (not a bad player) hit w/RISP. I like the Yanks chances with AROD and Cano up in those situations as well.

    • CP

      The defense is that you would go from 1st and 2nd no out with Grandy up to bases loaded 1 out with ARod up (knowing or assuming they would walk Tex). The RE would go from 1.573 to 1.65. Also, the game was tied and I believe the chances of scoring at least one run would increase even ignoring the IBB.

      I still wouldn’t have done it with Granderson up (although if the bunt were a little better he would have had a hit), but that would be the defense.

      • mike c

        that makes sense if that was their reasoning… it also shows that still don’t fully trust granderson against lefties

        • Midland TX

          Not to mention the corner defenders are a greenhorn utility player at 1B and Willie Harris, a career OF/2B, at 3B.

          You can dislike the bunt, we get it, but to harp on the subject constantly even when it situationally improves the RE is a bit much.

    • hogsmog

      I think Girardi can’t get past the idea that ‘Granderson is a speedy, good glove outfeilder with a little pop’, and is letting last year’s Granderson get in the way of this year’s.

      I really believe the only reason he’s batting second is because he’s got speed, not because he’s second in the league in homers. Like, trade Granderson’s and Arod’s stats for a second; do you really think Arod would be batting second, even though it’s where your best hitter belongs?

      • V

        And what makes it even more baffling is that Granderson is NOT a high OBP guy in the best of years; he’s not a guy who goes up there looking to take a walk.

    • Rob Thomsen’s Chili Farts

      It IS defensible…They won.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        A good result from a bad process does not mean we should not want the bad process fixed.

        • NoBuntsAllowed

          The other way – not bunting in that situation has led to many more double plays being hit by the Yanks this year than runs scored, so bunting would be the better play going forward until this team proves they can get the big hits when needed.

    • Kevin Ocala, Fl

      It must be that Giardia is feeling the heat from idiot sports writers that they’re hitting too many HR’s. What we have here is a “Home Run Crises” and a “Small Ball Gap”.

      Lions, and Tigers, and Bears. Oh my! The Horror, The Horror….

  • A-Rod’s Wingman

    Aren’t you like…supposed to bunt for game theory purposes? Besides, Granderson has historically struggled against lefties and it’s not like he isn’t fast enough to beat out a bunt anyways. If you aren’t going to look back at the call favorably with the bunt, why are going to look back and say the play took the bat out of Teixeira’s hands? Walking the bases loaded to get to A-Rod DOES. NOT. WORK. I don’t blame Girardi for wanting his two best hitters to come up with runners on second and third.

    • Ellis

      Granderson has not struggled this year against lefties, at all. 8 of his 16 HR are against lefties.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Granderson and Teixeira have been their two best hitters this year, not A-Rod and Cano.

      • http://twitter.com/rebeccapbp Squishy Jello Person

        Teixeira, really? Guess I don’t really notice it, but i’d argue Grandy and Cano.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          You’ve been fooled by his like .250 BA.

      • A-Rod’s Wingman

        Not this year, I mean, A-Rod’s struggling but I’d still give him the benefit of the doubt in my more reasonable hours. However, I’d say that him and Teixeira are the team’s two best hitters.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Granderson has been hotter than Roger Clemens’s balls most of the year.

          Saying that ARod has been a better hitter than Granderson, THIS YEAR, that’s a stretch. You’re going on nothing but reputation. Results-wise, it’s Granderson, easily.

          • A-Rod’s Wingman

            I think I said “Not this year.” In 40 some games Granderson’s been better, but A-Rod’s history against lefties, May notwithstanding, it’s perfectly defensible that he’s a better hitter than Granderson. And I fucking love Curtis Granderson.

      • Evan3457

        FWIW, with his 4 hits today, A-Rod has basically caught up with Tex in OPS, and with a higher BAVG, has made fewer outs. So Tex was in front of him in OPS+ going into the game, but they’ll likely be equal, more or less, when the update is posted at B-Ref.

        Thanks to two infield hits, including the mighty smash that gave the Yanks the lead.

        And Russell Martin’s right in there with Tex, although with less playing time.

      • NoBuntsAllowed

        I am not sure why your slurping Tex, AROD if you haven’t noticed is their best hitter right now, so getting him the AB with the bases loaded was a good move. Cano despite his struggles in May is still as productive as Tex and Tex is having a better May than usual.

  • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

    I threw up in my mouth a little when it happened. Simply disgusting.

  • http://twitter.com/rebeccapbp Squishy Jello Person

    bunting is evil devilspawn

    • CP

      No, there are plenty of good bunts.

  • Sean C

    There are times where bunting is a good idea, and it just so happens that none of those times have applied to the Yankees this year. Save it for the pitchers in NL parks.

    • Sayid J.

      Run expectancy increased with their bunt today when factoring in the IBB.

      • Midland TX

        Never mind rational analysis, just don’t ever bunt and promote Jorge Vazquez already.

  • CMP

    I used to like Giradi as a manager but the amount of outs he gives away bunting is just obscene.

    How can you like the guy if he can’t grasp such a fundimental concept like this?

    There is a time and place for small ball late in games with a lights out starter or ace reliever on the mound but Girardi has been using this strategy more and more early in games.

  • http://riveraveblues.com/2010/02/2010-preseason-top-30-prospects-21281/#comment-779224 LET SBGL BACK ON BRACKMAN’S DEBUT

    True or False: Bartolo Colon has been the most enjoyable player to watch this year.

    I vote true. Just love to watch the guy.

    • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

      Me too. It’s funny because he’s fat.

      • hogsmog

        He is ALSO jolly. A jolly fat man who only throws strikes.

      • Rob Thomsen’s Chili Farts

        CC is fatter, but less fun to watch.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

      Along with Granderson, yes.

  • The BIG 3

    Home runs come and home runs go. They are perfectly hit balls that are at the whim of probability, and if you can’t score without them, you’re most likely fucked.

    Although I still believe the problem this year is starters 3-7. A Yankees offense will always produce at a top rate over 162 games.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      I’m still waiting for someone to show how Yankees compare to every other team in terms of % of runs of HR. Throwing out 51% (I think that’s what Sweeny re-tweeted yesterday) with zero context of other teams makes that number useless.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        The Blue Jays led baseball at 53% last year, and the D’Backs have the second highest rate this year at 30-something%. Saw it somewhere this morning, just forgot where.

        • Rob Thomsen’s Chili Farts

          So I guess HR’s ARE bad for winning, huh?

      • The BIG 3

        Statistically, I don’t know (or care) about other teams, for when the Yanks aren’t scoring via HR’s, they don’t appear, to these eyes anyway, to be scoring at all. It’s a concern, but like I said, not as much as 3-7.

        After Aj is the problem. Loving Colon but not buying that for a second. Nor the remaining chaff.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          Did you watch the game today with your eyes

        • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

          But if Yankees scored 51% of their runs on HRs then that means……….they scored 49% of their runs via anything but a HR.

          It’s 50/50 ratio?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Home runs come and home runs go. They are perfectly hit balls that are at the whim of probability,

      List of hit balls that are at the whim of probability:

      Homers
      Non-homers

      [End of list]

      …and if you can’t score without them, you’re most likely fucked.

      The Yankees CAN score without homers. This notion that the team only scores runs due to homers is fallacious. Today is a perfect example of that.

      Furthermore, the reason the Yankees score a lot of runs is not because they hit a lot of homers. That’s a causal fallacy. The Yankees hit a lot of homers AND in an independent phenomenon the Yankees also score a lot of runs because of the same reason: The Yankees have a lot of good hitters.

      Good hitters hit lots of homers. Good hitters also hit a lot of singles and doubles and triples and work walks and put the ball in play and reach on errors and get hit by pitches. All of these various inputs, both homer and non-homer, cause a team full of good hitters to score a lot of runs.

      These phenomena are not mutually exclusive; on the contrary, they’re mutually INCLUSIVE.

      • The BIG 3

        “The Yankees CAN score without homers. This notion that the team only scores runs due to homers is fallacious. Today is a perfect example of that.”

        Absolutely.

      • A-Rod’s Wingman

        The Yankees CAN score without homers. This notion that the team only scores runs due to homers is fallacious. Today is a perfect example of that.

        There’s a few problems with this statement, one the blatant SSS nature of one game and not citing any evidence of scoring runs by non-HR means. The easiest way to disprove this is by simply stating the truth that hitting w/RISP has a lot to do with luck. Since there’s quite a few batters on this team that aren’t hitting or haven’t been lately it’s easy to fall into the “can’t score without a HR” trap. If Posada, A-Rod, and Swisher were hitting at their career norms and Cano would stop swinging at every pitch in the zone everything would be fine.

    • Esteban

      As Girardi said in his press conference today, homeruns are hits too. If some of those homeruns the Yankees have hit weren’t hit as far and went off the wall for doubles would people be happier? I just don’t understand how a)homeruns have developed a negative connotation and b) how any complains about and offense that leads the league in RS.

      • first time lawng time

        I think people complain because the offense is inconsistent and a lot of guys have been struggling.

        • The BIG 3

          Yeah, THAT!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          The people who are doing that need to learn two incontrovertible facts:

          A.) Every offense in baseball history is inconsistent. It’s the nature of the game. Take the top five offenses in the game from any given year and go through their schedule, and you’ll see they get shut down on occasion by a pitcher on his game—whether that pitcher is a historical great or just a journeyman having a good day.

          B.) Every offense in baseball history always has a few guys struggling at any given time. They also have stretches where almost every player is struggling at the same time. Good offenses (like this one) are fortunate enough to have stretches where almost everyone is hitting well at the same time. (All three of those scenarios have happened for this club, btw).

          Complaining about unavoidable, routine, normal shit seems like pretty dumb shit to be complaining about.

        • Esteban

          Then perspective is in order. Imagine the fans of the teams that don’t lead the league in runs. I don’t think they’ve been that inconsistent anyway, even if it’s felt like it. They’ve scored between either 4,5, or 6 runs in 49% of their games.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            They’ve scored between either 4,5, or 6 runs in 49% of their games.

            Those must have been the 49% of runs they didn’t score via homer. I’m sure of it, no need to look it up.

            #confirmationbias

      • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

        I just don’t understand how a)homeruns have developed a negative connotation

        Remember when the storyline was “Gardner can’t be a LF cause that’s a “power” position?” HRs have a negative connotation because the Yankees are hitting a shit load. Just like a poster said in the “When do standings matter anyways?” thread – the answer is whenever the Yankees aren’t in first place.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        They have a 15.9 percent FB to HR rate. That’s ridiculously high. I don’t know why we’re assuming if they aren’t hit that hard that they’re doubles when there’s probably a better chance those are outs especially since they play in a bandbox.

        • Esteban

          I’m gonna look at HR% (from bbref) for the Yankees in 2011 vs. career #s
          2011 Career
          Jeter: 1.0% 2.2%
          Teixeira: 6.2% 5.2%
          Granderson: 8.1% 3.9%
          Cano: 5.0% 3.2%
          Swisher: 1.1% 4.2%
          ARod: 5.2% 6.0%
          Martin: 5.3% 2.2%
          Gardner: 2.0% 1.0%
          Posada: 4.4% 3.9%
          Jones: 4.0% 5.0%

          There’s definitely some guys with HR% above their career norms, but it doesn’t seem ridiculous (except for Granderson). And anyway, the stadium they play in is not gonna all of a sudden have its walls moved back.

        • V

          This is where I wish hit f/x were open to the public to peruse the data. Fly balls are not all created the same. A lazy fly ball goes for a hit a lot less often than a scalded line drive with a higher trajectory than normal.

  • Craig

    Three things:
    1) I realize I’m a little late to the party, but that MLB ’11 app is such a steal; $15 and you get every team’s radio broadcast and video highlights.
    2) Two aces on the mound tonight for the Sunday Night Game LOL JK what a joke.
    3) If I’m outta the guidelines, sorry, but how much do the writers get paid annually for contributing to this blog? I love coming here to read up on stuff, and I’ve found it fascinating.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      3) If I’m outta the guidelines, sorry, but how much do the writers get paid annually for contributing to this blog?

      Haha. I wish.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        It’s your own fault for running a socialist blog, Axisa. A good capitalist would have monetized this shizz years ago and would be rolling in the dough.

        • Craig

          My friend and I run a sports blog; we get about $1 a day in ad revenue. Nothing great, but I figured since this blog blows mine outta the water, some moneutary value would be present.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            There’s some, sure, but our hosting costs are absurd. Like, nearly as much as my rent absurd.

            • Pasqua

              Weird. I actually assumed that, because you’re a YES “official” blog, they’d take care of the hosting costs for you. Why would they stick their brand name on your site and not support you? (Was the commercial the deal?)

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                There’s more to it than that, but we’re only going so far in our relationship with YES because there’s a point where we’d be subject to MLB.com’s rules and stuff.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    the outs in that seventh inning:
    1. this bunt
    2. that strike three called on Posada that was rather low
    3. the blown call with Jeter at 1B

    Excellent.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

      The Posada pitch crossed at his knees; it just broke late and was received poorly.

      • SteveD

        true. after seeing the replay.

      • YankeesJunkie

        That usually never gets called a strike and I think that is why Posada was so mad along with the ball hitting the dirt.

        • Esteban

          But pitches should be called according to where they cross the plate, not where the catcher catches it.

          • YankeesJunkie

            True.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

      Yeah, but the Mets should have had three outs on errors and screw-ups that they made.

      That inning was bad, man. But I have never seen a lopsided game that wasn’t messy in some way.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        The three outs that inning were the sacrifice bunt, the questionable strike three to Posada, and a blown call at first by the umpire:

        http://assets.sbnation.com/ass.....r_safe.png

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          What the hell is the ADORAMA Freeze Frame?

          I need to see that on YES-MO or I don’t believe it.

  • first time lawng time

    Did anyone see Girardi on the post game?

    When asked about Cervelli’s bunt, he didn’t even answer the question.

    He said something like, “Now small ball and pitch selection…I’m not trying to be mean..,strategy has a special place in my heart…”

    What the heck does that even mean?!

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      That’s funny, because the Cervelli bunt is the one that is eminently defensible. Cervelli is a non-good hitter; there was still a two-run deficit at the time that we desperately needed to close; moving the base-out situation from 1st and 2nd, no outs to 2nd and 3rd, one out is historically one of the most advantageous tradeoffs you can make, thus justifying giving up the out; there was a struggling, GIDP-prone hitter behind Cervelli so bunting decreased the risk of killing the rally; trading the RISP situation from Cervelli to any one of Jeter/Granderson/Tex/ARod is an unquestionable upgrade.

      I don’t need Joe to hem and haw to explain the Cervelli bunt, that one was fine. It’s the Granderson one that didn’t make sense, and the defense of “we had some momentum going” doesn’t fly since the bunt didn’t increase the momentum in any appreciable fashion.

      We had just scored two runs and had two men on, nobody out with our 2-3-4-5 hitters all lined up. We already had all the momentum.

      • first time lawng time

        Yeah I understand Cervelli bunting. I just thought his explanation was a little weird.

    • http://twitter.com/AndrewLeighNYC Andrew

      No, what you’re describing is that Girardi refused to answer whether or not he called for Cervelli to bunt from the bench, or if Cervelli did it on his own.

      Marc Carig had asked about the Granderson bunt a few questions earlier, and Girardi admitted to calling for it from the bench.

      Then another reporter asked about the Cervelli bunt and Girardi played the “I don’t want to openly tell everyone what’s called and what players do on their own” card, saying he didn’t want to reveal strategy and trying to not be a dick about it.

    • Rob Thomsen’s Chili Farts

      He’s a manager of people who hit and throw balls. He’s not president.

  • bonestock94

    Wouldn’t mind Girardi getting the boot at some point. I don’t hate him but stuff like this is dumb and pretty common.

    Also, Asdrubal Cabrera

    • first time lawng time

      Word. I hate Girardi. Always have.

    • Dave

      You want to fire him because he bunts? Spoken like a true fan. Never happy about the manager, eh?

  • Bpdelia

    Wow. I just assumed granderson did that on his own. Im not as much of an anti bunt fascist as some here. I generally hate bunting s man to second but am in favor of a weak hitter bunting to get someone to third with no outs.

    However that was the worst bunt I haove ever seen. Would girardi gave asked tex, cano or rodriguez to bunt there? Of course not. Granderson has no business bunting there. It is utterly indefensible. I meam. . . with a fast lefty you had a low fp possibility there as well. Horrendous. Awful. Amazing someone with a binder that thick could keep doing this in the face of such clear evidence that it is the, wrong move.

  • Rey22

    I know Girardi has always liked bunting, but is it just me or has it been insanely often this year? Like, considerably more than previous seasons.

    • The BIG 3

      At .251, the Yankees are one of the worst “hitting” teams in the AL (9th out of 14, actually). I don’t have any problem with Girardi trying to manufacture runs. The team has jeter, grandy, gardy, and even Martin on the roster for advancment runners, and with the slump the club’s been in, I don’t see why so many object. It’s as if posters believe that if that sacrifice wasn’t attempted, a HR would have been hit instead, which is simply unrealistic.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        At .251, the Yankees are one of the worst “hitting” teams in the AL (9th out of 14, actually).

        The AL average is .250. 9 of those 14 teams are within .008 of that average one way or the other.

        The Yankees aren’t a “bad” hitting team (with hitting measured in the fairly crude stat of batting average) like your quote implied. Oakland (.234), Minnesota (.232), and Seattle (.227), those teams are bad. The Yankees are in a big clump of teams that are solidly average.

        “Average” and not “worst” should have been your adjective.

        • first time lawng time

          This may sound dumb or irrelevant, but it would be nice to have some players hitting .300.

          Just looks nice.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            No, it’s not dumb or irrelevant.

            There’s nothing wrong with wanting guys who play on your team to hit well. There’s nothing wrong with being frustrated when they don’t hit well, either.

            What’s wrong is thinking that a few weeks (or even a month) of sub-elite play from your team means that all their struggles are going to continue infinitely, or that it’s somehow fundamentally flawed and will finish in fourth place.

            What’s wrong is thinking that “struggling” ALWAYS equals “irredeemably and permanently shitty” and that any cold streak ALWAYS equals “it’s over, let’s give up and this GM/manager/hitting coach/pitching coach/player needs to be fired/DFA’d/killed”.

            Struggling is a part of baseball. It happens to every player: good and bad. It happens to every team: good and bad.

            We all want [insert player name here] to hit .300, but [insert player name here] not hitting .300 is not a sign of the apocalypse nor of the Yankees finishing the year 71-91.

            • first time lawng time

              I know they’re not going to hit below .300 forever or the season is doomed because of it or anything like that. I just not only like the team as a whole to have good numbers, but also individual players (ie: I kinda like stat padding).

              As long as the team wins, I’m happy. But I’d be even happier if they were winning with a guy making an MVP or CY case.

        • The BIG 3

          Fine. But let’s not argue about their having issues scoring runs w/o the HR. That exists presently. It won’t for the entire season, but it does now. In which case, Girardi’s just trying to find something that works.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            List of teams who struggle to score runs without the homer:

            All of them

            [End of list]

            ————————–

            Go back and look at the AL runs scored leaders, and compare it to the AL homers-hit leaders. There’s a high correlation.

            Offense is down, leaguewide. Second year in a row. Complain less about the Yankee “inability” to score runs without the homer (which is a pretty common problem across baseball) and be thankful that the Yankees are scoring runs, of any sort (which is less common).

  • Esteban

    I pointed a friend to Stephen Rhoads “Should Of” post and told him it was supposed to be a joke, and he still agreed with it. How can some smart people be so dumb about baseball?

  • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

    Can’t wait til I see ARod or Tex square around for a sac bunt. If you see a TV fly out the window, it’s mine.

  • Xstar7

    James Russell vs Tim Wakefield? This Cubs Red Sox game looks like it’s going to be a slugfest.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      And the Sox will be praised for their HR ability, just watch.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Best way to score runs. Hallmark of a good offense. Proof positive that they’re headed for a 120 win season, a sweep of the playoffs with multiple perfect games thrown, and then straight to Cooperstown, Canton, and Springfield.

        Teams this good deserve to be inducted into Halls of Fame of sports they don’t even play.

        • The BIG 3

          The way this division is shaping up, 90 wins will take it.

          Awesome:

          New York Yankees 25-20
          Tampa Bay Rays 26-21
          Boston Red Sox 24-21
          Toronto Blue Jays 23-23
          Baltimore Orioles 21-24

    • The BIG 3

      The Yankees were supposed to have starter issues, the Sox are having starter issues. That’s why I like baseball; Your prediction sucks.

      • Xstar7

        Y. C. P. B.

  • first time lawng time

    Favorite SP to watch:

    1. AJ
    2. Nova
    3. CC
    4. Colon
    5. Garcia

    • bonestock94

      Masochist

  • first time lawng time

    There really is nothing attractive about the Red Sox organization.

    Ugly players
    Ugly fans
    Dustin Pedroia
    Ugly stadium
    Ugly uniforms

    Am I missing anything?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Racism and homophobia.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

      Disaster of a city.

      I mean, yeah, the Yankees would sell out every game too if we had no clubs… or theatres… or nightlife… or decent restaurants…

      what am I missing?

      • Xstar7

        You’re missing that the Yankees would sell out every game too of their stadium could only hold 35,000 people.

    • The BIG 3

      Yes. That even I would admit that Fenway blows away YS2, you’re missing a lot. Ever been there?

      • first time lawng time

        You thinkaFenway is better than YS2?

        I went to Fenway 7 yrs ago and I wasn’t impressed.

    • A-Rod’s Wingman

      Kevin Youkilis
      The one city that still welcomes Curt Schilling
      Steroid hypocrisy out the ass
      Eric Van
      SoSH
      ESPN
      Ugly Wives
      Ugly Kids
      Their victory call is a love song about a nine year old girl

      There’s more too.

    • Rob Thomsen’s Chili Farts

      The uniforms aren’t ugly.

  • jim p

    Let’s just have a game where every at bat, we bunt. Get this mad craving out of our system, then use it when appropriate the rest of the year.

  • CMP

    My pet peeve is bunting a runner to 2nd with no outs and a guy like Gardner on first instead of having him steal and then bunt him to over to 3rd base. Even then, I’d rather see the batter swing away and try to shoot one to right field but at least you can make a case for the logic of moving a runner to 3rd with less than 2 outs.

    • Monteroisdinero

      hit and run>>>>>bunt with fast runner on first.

  • first time lawng time

    I hope Youk gets hit in the face tonight in retaliation.

    Maybe it’ll knock all the ugly out.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Beauty is skin deep, but ugly is to-the-bone.

    • Xstar7

      There is nothing you could do to make that guy look pretty.

      • The BIG 3

        Come on, are you people even baseball fans? Good night.

        • Xstar7

          I’m just joking around. But have you seen Kevin Youkilis’ face?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            What can I say about Kevin Youkilis’s face… that hasn’t already been said about Afghanistan?

            • Rob Thomsen’s Chili Farts

              It’s fertile with poppy seeds, which are used to make heroin?

  • first time lawng time

    Thanks for the replay of the Fukodome groundout, ESPN.

  • Xstar7

    What a gritty single by Pedroia.

  • first time lawng time

    Have the Red Sox always been predominantly white?

    If so, is there a reason why or is it just a coincidence?

    • Xstar7

      Boston has a well-deserved reputation of being racist. But to be fair, most MLB teams are predominantly white If you think about it.

    • Phife Dawg

      See:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.....sachusetts
      and

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Yawkey

      Racist owner and racist city= a roster of blue-collar, gritty,gutty, and scrappy ballplayers.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

      They were the last team to integrate (Yankees second to last, I believe) and Boston has always been a city with iffy race relations.

      Fun fact: My town’s Sr. Babe Ruth League is named after horribly racist former Yankee GM George Weiss.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        (imagines Willie Mays in a Yankee uniform, shakes fist at George Weiss’s ignorance)

        • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

          Mantle in LF, Mays in CF.

          /drools

        • Xstar7

          But you know who George Weiss did put in a Yankees uniform? Elston Howard.

          BOOM

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Oh, sure, but that was later. And Elston Howard, as much as we all love him, is not Willie Mays.

            • Xstar7

              That’s true, but the Yankees weren’t exactly in great need of a center fielder.

          • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

            Yes, after eight years of integration and a bunch of tokenism.

            • Xstar7

              I’m not defending George Weiss. But Elston Howard was a pretty good sign for the Yankees.

      • first time lawng time

        What’s ironic about the Yankees being the last to integrate is that now adays and since maybe the ’90s, they are pretty well known for having many Hispanic players.

        Maybe it’s just that I’m so used to watching the Yankees that I notice the predominantly whiteness of the RS.

        • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

          I’ll never forget this. In 2009, my dad and I were watching a game and my mother came down to do laundry. She saw Victor Martinez batting and said: “He’s not white; how’s he allowed on that team?!” Then, after she finished and was walking back to wherever, she paused in front of the TV, quickly scanned the audience and said “Nope. Just like I though, no black guys.”

          • A-Rod’s Wingman

            I hear they make Carl Crawford and Mike Cameron sweep up the place after the games.

    • A-Rod’s Wingman

      It’s an Irish town, and Irishmen have a history of racism. Especially in Boston.

      Yes, I see the irony in my statement, and no I don’t give a shit.

  • first time lawng time

    Agon totally belongs on the RS.

    He just has that evil little dbag look that is emphasized by the uniform.

    Kinda like Ellsbury.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

      I can’t really hate on A-Gon and I don’t know why.

  • Craig

    What’re some realistic expectations of Dickerson? Also, what does his ceiling project?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Realistic expectations for Dickerson are probably an above-average 4th OF, and his ceiling is probably the lefty (i.e., good) half of a serviceable but non-elite OF platoon.

      Remember all the fuss about Curtis Granderson’s inability to hit lefties (before this year)? Well, Chris Dickerson v LHP makes pre-2010 Curtis Granderson v LHP look like Marcus Thames v. LHP.

      (And this movie’s gonna make House Party look like House Party 2.)

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

        Or…House Party 3.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          SHUT THE FUCK UP

          • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

            Snootchie…Bootchies…?

  • Xstar7

    The Cubs really need to be more patient. They look like Robinson Cano out there. Except without all the base hits

  • Cross777

    How in the world can you say Tex is our second best hitter?!? Are you watching these games? A-Roid, Cano, Martin, Jeter and even Gardner have better averages. (the only stat which puts Tex second is HomeRuns)

    With the Yankee offense sputtering all year, I had no problem with the bunt by Grandy.

    • A-Rod’s Wingman

      He leads the team in OPS (amongst regulars).

    • first time lawng time

      HR score runs 100% of the time.

      Avg doesn’t.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        FTLT with the truthbomb.

    • bonestock94

      Going by wOBA or wRC, Tex is our 3rd best hitter this season behind Granderson and Martin. Going by those same stats, the sputting Yankees offense is either the best or second best in the game. Even if the Yankees offense sucked, Granderson has been the best hitter on the team and should be given the chance to hit.

  • A-Rod’s Wingman

    The real issue with this team’s offense:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/st.....rk-yankees

    With the exception of Russell Martin the stalwarts of the offense aren’t getting on base like they used to in their past days. Swisher, Posada, A-Rod, and Teixeira’s OBPs are all down from what they usually are. Granderson has an OBP below .330. That’s the real reason why the team isn’t scoring as many runs as the fans think they should. Too many outs, not too many HRs is the problem.

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      Never realized Jeter was leading the team in hits.

  • bonestock94

    My dad just called Saltalamacchia “Slovakia.”

  • Craig

    How long of a leash does Swish have if he continues to struggle? Or rather, do you seem them trying to move him st the deadline, or just sit on the bench until they dont puck up his option?

    • A-Rod’s Wingman

      Ehh… He’s one of those players who’s prone to prolonged slumps and the bad year. I’m not sure, depends on what the Mets want for Beltran.

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

        I think what they want matters very little. They’re going to have to settle for what they can get + salary relief…which I think the Yankees could/would do if Posada/Swisher continue to struggle.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

      They won’t trade him; he’s slumping and is due for a rebound and has an affordable team option for next year.

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

        Excuse me; due for a rebound is a bad term. There are markers in his batted ball profile that suggest he could rebound.

      • A-Rod’s Wingman

        I agree with this, he’s a talented player and I’m worried about a 2008 type year for him.

        • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

          Yeah, that would be crappy, but he still walked a bunch of times and hit 20+ homers that year.

          • A-Rod’s Wingman

            I mean, he’s frustrating to watch this year, but he’s still not awful at getting on base. I can all but guarantee that he’ll have a typical Swisher year in 2012.

            • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

              I would bet on it, too.

      • Foghorn Leghorn

        i’m starting to think that Swish couldn’t get a rebound in basketball…

  • bonestock94

    Remember when everyone was angry that the Yankees didn’t sign Mike Cameron. lol

    • Foghorn Leghorn

      remember when the sox fans razzed all of us when it was rumored that the yanks would sign cameron?

      suck on that, Sox Fans!

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      In my defense, I advocated for

      A.) trading for 36 year old, entering-the-final-year-of-his-expensive-deal and thus possibly available for a minimal prospect cost stopgap option 2009 Mike Cameron, the Mike Cameron who would go on to hit .250/.342/.452 (110+) that year and provide a +11.4 UZR in 1200+ innings of CF defense

      B.) signing 37 year old, just-came-off-those-above-numbers 2010 Mike Cameron to a one-year, stopgap option contract if he’d take a reasonable pricepoint.

      I never expressed an interest in signing Mike Cameron to a two year deal that would include being obligated to the 38-year-old, 2011 season he’s currently going through, and once Boston signed him to a two year deal last offseason, I didn’t say “ZOMG CASH MISSED TEH BOAT!” or guarantee that those two years of production would match the contract value.

      2009 Cameron was a much less risky proposition than signing on for 2010 and 2011 Cameron.

  • Craig

    Joba just sent me a get well message on twitter, awesome!

  • CMP

    Youkalis has one giant head. I don’t know which is bigger, his or Michael Kay’s?

    • Craig

      Or Ronny Paulino?

      • CMP

        If I could give Michael Kay’s wife 2 words of advice it would be “C section”.

    • Monteroisdinero

      Kay would have to shave his for an accurate assessment.

      /scary thought

  • Steve

    Is saltalamachia starting to heat up? Are we sure the apocalypse didn’t happen?

    • Foghorn Leghorn

      you could say the same about varitek…i don’t get it…every time I’m paying attention, varitek gets a hit but when I look at his stats, they are horrible. i need to stop watching..

      • Steve

        Yeah but is there any chance that this is real from Salty? He was a top prospect not too long ago. I think at this point Varitek is what he is

        • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

          It wouldn’t shock me. He just turned 26 this month. As a switch hitter and a catcher if he took longer to develop it wouldn’t be surprising. I don’t think he’ll ever reach what was expected of him(remember when the Braves had to choose between him and McCann?), but he could become a very solid player.

  • Xstar7
    • Pasqua

      Ugh. That article points to one of the most infuriating things about sac bunting: the idea that it is somehow an inherently selfless act. As if it signifies that the player is a “team” guy because of it, moreso than someone not adept at bunting.

      It creates an out. It’s counter-intuitive to the one job of a hitter. End of story.

      • Foghorn Leghorn

        if you aren’t a pitcher, you shouldn’t be bunting.

        • Xstar7

          If you aren’t a National League team, you shouldn’t be bunting.

          • Midland TX

            If you have no recollection of or appreciation for pre-steroids-era baseball, you should be posting dumb comments about never bunting.

            • V

              If you have no concept of statistics or probability, you should be posting dumb comments about people complaining about bunting.

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    so we have to listen to the media kiss AGonz’ ass for the next 7 years? I never thought I’d miss Manny.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Who cares about AGonz?

      Jose Iglesias is already the best shorstop in major league history. Honus Wagner couldn’t hold a candle to “The Cuban Missle”.

      • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

        He can hit .180/.220/.195 and it won’t matter, his defense is that good.

        /Pete Abe’d

        • FIPster Doofus

          Someone should remind Pete of Rey Ordonez, he of the career +72.3 UZR but only 3.8 fWAR because of his awful offensive skills.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

            That’s where you are wrong. Ordonez was great at saving and preventing runs. Iglesias’ glove is so good that he actually creates negative runs for the opposing offense. Don’t be alarmed when a box score reads as follows:

            Boston: 7
            Anaheim: -3

            • FIPster Doofus

              In that case, I will bow before the AL East’s new offensively challenged short stop overlord.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              There’s no need to put a second baseman or a third baseman out there. Just have Iglesias field everything to the left of Adrian Gonzalez and go with three designated hitters. Shit, you can even hide a subpar defender in LF behind him, he won’t actually be needed for anything but warning-track fly-outs.

              2012 Red Sox Lineup:
              CF Jacoby Ellsbury
              RF Dustin Pedroia
              SS Jose Iglesias
              1B Adrian Gonzalez
              DH David Ortiz
              DH Kevin Youkilis
              DH Miguel Cabrera
              LF Adam Dunn
              C Buster Posey

              (Cabrera, Dunn, and Posey will be obtained by trading te now superfluous Marco Scutaro, Jed Lowrie, and J.D. Drew to the Tigers, White Sox, and Giants, respectively.)

              • Foghorn Leghorn

                i don’t see Pujols in there…Theo will trick him into signing a team friendly deal…one year with 7 team option years

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  I thought about putting Pujols in LF instead of Dunn, but that Pujols lineup would only have three actual legit white guys in it. That shit doesn’t fly in Boston, not enough grit.

                  Dunn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pujols

                  • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

                    What if they keep him out of the sun and change his name to Al Pooholes?

                    • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

                      And give him some stick on freckles.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      (hires Steve H to be Boston’s Assistant GM)

          • Foghorn Leghorn

            back in the 80s a team could get away with a non hitting player, but not anymore…

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    Cameron really sucks. i’ll never understand why Theo signed him for two yrs.

    • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

      While 2 years may have seemed steep based on his age and return to the AL, Cameron was a damn good player for close to 15 years. He’s been Torii Hunter without the big smile and the baggy fence to make his catches look better.

      • Foghorn Leghorn

        i get that, but they already had a CF in Ellsbury…it just didn’t make sense.

        • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

          Well Ellsbury isn’t (wasn’t?) a great defensive CF and both Ellsbury and JD Drew aren’t exactly Cal Ripken out there. Of course Cameron didn’t stay healthy either, but they really could have used him last year.

          • Foghorn Leghorn

            Drew is actually a pretty good defensive player. he’s just a emotionless man.

            • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

              Yeah, Drew is very good defensively, just a safe bet to miss 30 or 40 games a year.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Hah, Torii Hunter wishes he was as good as Mike Cameron.

        http://www.fangraphs.com/graph.....playerid5=

        • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

          Heh, I was off at b-ref and fangraphs compiling some of this and just sent it to you, a little late obviously.

    • Rob Thomsen’s Chili Farts

      CC wanted him, don’t forget. They are BFF’s.

    • FIPster Doofus

      To be fair, Cameron was good before he got to Boston.

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    the salty talk got me thinking about Papi…is this what he is now? fat bitch is hitting .300 with power.

  • Hacksaw Jim Duggan

    hoooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

    Girardi’s love for bunting is so maddening. This is not the San Diego Padre offense here. This team is built on OBP and power. Most of the players on the team aren’t any good at bunting anyway, which should make it used even less frequently. Doesn’t Girardi realize this when he sees Swisher and even Gardner look so incompetent up there when he puts them in bunt mode? I know Gardner looks like a guy who should know how to bunt, but I’d rather he just swing away. He looks hopeless when trying to bunt. And unlike Juan Pierre, Gardner can actually strike the ball with some authority.

    The thing that irks me most about sac bunting is that there is no where close to 100% chance that the bunt will work. If you could guarantee with 100% certainty that yes, Granderson would get the bunt down, then I can sort of understand giving up Grandy’s at-bat so that ARod and Cano can take their chances with loaded bases and one-out. This could possibly increase the team’s chance of scoring exactly one run (although it probably hurts the team’s chance to put up a 3 or 4-spot).

    But how many times have we seen Yankee hitters this year (usually Gardner) start off with sac bunt attempts, work themselves into 0-2 counts, and then take the bunt off and flail away defensively with an 0-2 count and weakly ground out or strikeout? There is no where near 100% chance that the sac will be executed correctly, and when it doesn’t work, you either have a botched bunt pop out (like a pop out to the third baseman) or a batter left in a very disadvantageous 0-2 count. This seems to happen a lot when batters go for sac bunts.

    I have no clue what the true league percentage generally is. Does anybody have the info on this throughout baseball (as in, what % of sac bunt attempts are successful, perhaps split by pitcher bunts and non-pitcher bunts)?

    It seems this Yankee team is especially likely to screw up the execution of the bunt, which should make Girardi stay away from this strategy. I would imagine even a good bunter doesn’t get the job done more than 75% of the time. And I would guess that many times these Yankee batters go up there with a much lower chance of executing it correctly. I’m just speculating on those numbers, I would love to see actual data on this.

    So anyway, let’s say Grandy is a good bunter and had a 70% chance of getting that bunt down. I would much rather he swing away in that case since there is still a 30% chance he screws it up. Hell, even if he swings away there are ways he can get out and still move the runners over. There is no upside to bunting but there is plenty of risk. There is more risk with swinging away, but the potential reward is so much higher. Grandy would have to be a true-talent 90+% successful sac bunter for me to think this strategy could possibly be worthwhile. And even then I would only call it arguable at best, considering the fact that Grandy has been a complete monster at the plate since last August.

    Sac bunts just aren’t close to automatic, and I don’t know if Girardi ever really considers this before he goes by the Small Ball Book and calls for it. I hope his book considers the failure rate of sac bunting, whatever that may be (does anybody know??).

    But just wait until October. If this is driving so many of us nuts right now in May, imagine what the reaction will be when Girardi does it in October (assuming Yanks get to the playoffs). It seems inevitable. This is a huge flaw in Girardi’s managing style.

    Tough guy!

    • Foghorn Leghorn

      blog it

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    • Phife Dawg

      This sounds like a “you” problem.

  • Hacksaw Jim Duggan

    Papi is probably the best DH in the AL in terms of current true talent level. Or maybe he’s 2nd to Dunn.

    • MikeD

      Based on “current” true talent level, I think Dunn of the .190 BA, 4 HRs and league-leading strikeouts, has a difficult case.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    I still don’t know what’s more ridiculous: that Curtis Granderson bunt, or those Mike Miller shoulder tattoos.

    I’m leaning towards the latter.

    • Phife Dawg

      Meh, Miller’s from South Dakota. Having shoulder tattoos there is a rite of passage.

  • Karl Krawfid

    If I was blind I would swear the Red Sox were playing against the Red Sox listening to this ESPN broadcast.

    • MikeD

      It’s Red Sox all around tonight, as MLBN is showing game 6 of the 1975 World Series. I’ve opted to watch that, since it’s a classic game and, of course, defeat was coming to the Sox the next day.

  • Xstar7

    http://www.fangraphs.com/graph.....erid5=1834

    /screwing around with fangraphs out of boredom

    • Phife Dawg

      I see that fangraphs failed to put into account that Luis Sojo is a True Yankee TM.

    • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

      Heh. I think the cumulative WAR by age is my favorite.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder
      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder
        • Xstar7

          The more I think and look into it, the less I think Jorge is a hall of famer. Which is a shame because he’s my favorite player.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

            I’m still on the fence. It’s really tough to use WAR for catchers (especially historical). With the bat he’s likely one of the top 10 catchers of all time. With the glove he was never great, but was very solid for several years before being brutal the past few. I don’t think he will get in, but I certainly think a strong argument can be made.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              With the bat he’s likely one of the top 10 catchers of all time.

              Just barely, but yeah.

              Piazza, Cochrane, Dickey, Bench, Hartnett, Berra, Fisk, Pudge, Posada, Campanella… he’s at the back end of that tensome, but I’d say he makes it.

              He strikes me as a Jim Rice or an Andre Dawson: damn good, but probably not quite good enough to merit a Hall entry. Of course, Rice and Dawson both made it, so…

              • Xstar7
                • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

                  Fangraphs has Jim Rice with a positive defensive value. This is just bizarre.

                  • Xstar7

                    “Jim Rice is not the fastest man in the world.”-Al Downing

                • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

                  bWAR has Posada higher than Rice (though not really HOF territory).

                  • Xstar7

                    The HOF is supposed to be reserved for the best of the best. And neither of those two really fit the bill. Perhaps if Jorge was a better defensive catcher in his career he’d have a better chance. But as things stand, there’s almost no way Jorge will get in. At least not in the first 14 ballots.

        • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

          You ain’t kidding.

          http://goo.gl/3ECAA

  • Pat D

    I cried a lot today.

    And it had nothing to do with baseball.