Game 90: Gotta get down with Freddy


(AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

I hate myself for that title. Here’s the lineup…

Derek Jeter, SS
Curtis Granderson, CF
Mark Teixeira, 1B
Robinson Cano, 2B
Nick Swisher, RF
Jorge Posada, DH
Russell Martin, C
Brett Gardner, LF
Eduardo Nunez, 3B

Freddy Garcia, SP

The game starts a little after 7pm ET and can be seen on My9 locally or MLB Network nationally. Enjoy.

Joey Bats Update: Blue Jays manager John Farrell told reporters before today’s game that Jose Bautista is likely to miss the rest of the series after twisting his ankle last night. “Optimistically Sunday, realistically Tuesday,” he said. That’s unfortunate, you know. It really is. Such a shame. Like is so unfair.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. We caught a break with Bautista missing the rest of the series. Now hopefully we can win the rest of this series.

  2. Guest says:

    You shouldn’t. It’s one of my favorite memes for this site. Of all the different kinds of posters we have here, I can’t think of a single one that would genuinely like that song (without tongue planted firmly in cheek). Therefore, continued references remain hilariously out of place.

    Partying, partying, YEAH!

  3. Jeter Meter says:

    In toronto for the game. Sweaty Freddy baby!

  4. Jonathan Harker says:

    Nobody’s playing 3rd base, just like last night.

  5. Monteroisdinero says:

    Price for the Rays against the Sux. Hoping for a gem there. He still has nightmares after giving up the mammoth DJ3K.

  6. Cuso says:

    I hate the mindset I get in when an opposing team is missing their biggest threat.

    I foolishly start thinking ‘They should win this one and the next one, and Sunday too.’

    Hate my mindset, but shouldn’t they?

    …by the way, didn’t Morrow pitch 7.2 innings of no-hit ball against us last year? and then eventually shut us out?

    Yeah, let’s reverse that.

    • Jonathan Harker says:

      With their best player out I think it’s ok to believe they can at least win 2 out of the final 3 if not sweep the 3 games. Depends on our starters though and our luck. Without Bautista their lineup they’ve got Lind. Not much scares you.

  7. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Bautista missing the rest of the series means his replacement will be impossible to get out right?

  8. lily says:

    yankees are lucky. they need to take advantage of bautista not in the line-up and win the series. well lets first start with a win tonight. brandon morrow is always tough on us

  9. bonestock94 says:

    Freddy is already sweating his ass off lol

  10. first time lawng time says:

    Where/when/how did the whole sweaty Freddy thing start? Is it exclusive to RAB? What’s the deal?

  11. Mike Axisa says:

    Oh hey, Mark Teixeira popped out.

  12. Greg says:

    When you throw a hard fastball, you get those type of results from tex

  13. Pastadivingarod says:

    I miss the cano HR SWING

  14. Mike Axisa says:

    Nice job, fellas.

  15. Pastadivingarod says:

    Why cant girardi do this

    • first time lawng time says:

      Because he’s stupid.

      The only reason he got into Northwestern is that he’s an athlete. Which, I think, is bullshit when schools do that.

  16. first time lawng time says:


  17. Jonathan Harker says:

    Inexcusable not to score there. Our tablesetters get on and those other guys have to be able to drive them in. They couldn’t even move the runners up.

    • Greg says:

      Morrow’s a good pitcher.

      Jeez, you guys would expect this lineup to batter Sandy Koufax.

      • first time lawng time says:

        That’s a bad analogy because expecting to beat Mrrow is nothing like expecting to beat Koufax.

        Morrow isn’t even that great, especially at home.

        • Greg says:

          No one gives credit to the opposing pitcher here. Doug Davis I can understand getting on the Yankees back but not this guy

    • Chris says:

      God I miss A-rod. What about the chances of Jeter scoring if Patterson catches that Granderson foul ball?

  18. Greg says:

    Morrow gets credit for getting out of it by using his hard fastball to cause Tex and Swisher to pop up

    • Chris says:

      I’d credit the Swisher out more to that awesome slider of his.

    • Matt says:

      Let me guess, next you’re going to say “why couldn’t Colon do that?”

      Well I’ll answer the question for you:


  19. karel capek says:

    Hold the phone
    hold the phone
    it’s David Cone
    David Cone
    I’m not cheatin’
    the man looks
    like Buster Keaton

  20. Pastadivingarod says:

    They are stealing signs again

  21. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Yay sucking against a sub .500 team.

  22. Jonathan Harker says:

    That’s how you get a runner in from 2nd. Take notes Teixera, Cano, and Swisher.

  23. Pastadivingarod says:

    Hate to get hit by that 79mph fastball

  24. IRF says:

    Garnder has played pretty awful defense in Toronto.

  25. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    Way to pay attention Swish.

  26. Pastadivingarod says:

    Think the bluejays are starting become like the red sox

  27. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    7 run improvement over last night.


  28. bonestock94 says:

    Man, Hill really blows. The DFA seems inevitable.

  29. Cuso says:


  30. Pastadivingarod says:

    Haha british open Luv the coney

  31. Greg says:


    Do we think that the Shift alone is the reason for Teixiera’s declining average? Or is there something else?

  32. IRF says:

    Holy mustache Batman!

  33. Mike Axisa says:

    Here comes the bunt.

  34. Jonathan Harker says:

    Here we go again. Marrow is trying to give us the ballgame. Why don’t you bunt Girardi to get to Nunez. I bet he does.

  35. Greg says:

    Morrow’s gettin’ squeezed.

  36. Chris says:

    gardner bunt?

  37. Chris says:

    Gotta love Martin’s breakout slides. That’s how it’s done.

  38. Pastadivingarod says:

    Wow great slide by martin
    For a gay guy :)

  39. Chris says:

    Gotta love Martin’s takeout slides. That’s how it’s done.

  40. Jonathan Harker says:

    Nunez continues to get the job done. Don’t know why you would trade the farm for a 4 week replacement when you’ve got him.

  41. IRF says:

    Nunez trying to redeem himself for the errors he will certainly make later on

  42. Cuso says:

    Thank God for Nunez

    ….wait, what?

  43. IRF says:

    That slider is fucking nasty

  44. Greg says:

    There’s the nasty slider.

  45. first time lawng time says:

    Oh look. Jeter failed.

  46. Jetrer says:

    Angel Hernandez just sucks royal ass

  47. bonestock94 says:


  48. Jonathan Harker says:

    Completely changed the at bat. Angel is a trash umpire.

  49. first time lawng time says:

    How in the he’ll did he swing?

    Angel Hernandez is the biggest fucking douche. In a game against LAA last year he was being bitchy at AJ and wouldn’t give him any calls.


    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

      Are you sure AJ just wasn’t throwing balls?

      • first time lawng time says:

        Yes, Will Nieves Number 1 Fan, I am completely sure! I remember he threw strikes, because that’s why I was so pissed at Herbandez.

  50. Karl Krawfid says:

    Really wish Grandy would go the other way.

    He has the power to do so easily.

  51. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Thans Angel Hernandez. Asshole.

  52. Kostas says:

    Angel Hernandez is a great umpire. Otherwise the Brotherhood of Umpires would get rid of him – #union’d #fuckyoufans

  53. Cuso says:

    it could be worse. normally Angel Hernandez & Joe West are in the same crew. At least Joe isn’t in Toronto this weekend.

    That goat-f*cker

  54. Chris says:

    Legit question. What’s Garcia’s FB%? I think I just saw like his 3rd of the night.

  55. Pastadivingarod says:

    Freddy need colons fat injections

  56. Karl Krawfid says:

    Would trade Cervelli for Molina.

  57. first time lawng time says:

    Let’s leave 2 on again.

  58. Chris says:

    Since when does Jose Molina know what a bat is?

  59. Karl Krawfid says:

    Verlander has giving up 3 runs.

    CC is coming for that CY.

  60. Pastadivingarod says:

    Freddy throwin the junk tonight he is our knucklballer

  61. first time lawng time says:

    Fucking bunt, Teixeira.

  62. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Ben Zobrist hit a grand slam. 5-1 Rays.

  63. Mike Axisa says:

    Huh, Tex popped up again. Weird.

  64. Chris says:

    You can pop that one on the left side!

  65. Greg says:

    Again hard fastball in, popup

    Luckily batting average means nothing in sabermetrics.

  66. Pastadivingarod says:

    If they shift on a switchhitter why doesnt he just turn around and bat the other way?

  67. Karl Krawfid says:

    Giambi and Cano man. Horrible.

  68. Kostas says:

    Remember when Tex hit the ball towards the outfield instead of straight up in the air…it is either strike out or pop up. #20millionayear

  69. Greg says:

    E: Sergio Mitre so I could get a hit.

  70. Pastadivingarod says:

    Fuck elsbury went deep

  71. first time lawng time says:

    I am so sick of the BJs. They are such a pain in the ass which doesn’t make much sense because they suck against everyone else.

  72. Obvious Pun on BJ says:

    I hate BJs.

  73. Greg says:

    Combo of slider and fastball is deadly

  74. first time lawng time says:

    I hate Russell Martin so much.

  75. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:


  76. Gerald says:

    WOW, Travis Snider really looks like a pedophile.

  77. first time lawng time says:

    I bet Snider likes to live in Virginia and drives a red pickup truck and wears overalls with no shirt underneath and go on dates with women named Becky and Darlene only to find out over breakfast the next morning that their moms are sisters.

  78. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    Jebus this is embarrassing.

  79. Stratman9652 says:

    These doubles are getting out of hand.

  80. mt says:

    Outfield not looking great so far this series!

  81. Jonathan Harker says:

    Can’t figure out why we ever let Molina go. He’s a .300 hitter and a great defender. All we have is Cervelli.

  82. Greg says:

    I dont know how to grade Freddy in this start so far.

  83. AndrewYF says:

    Granderson needs a new rule: NEVER THROW HOME

  84. Pastadivingarod says:

    Hate the jays friggin anklbitters

  85. wow says:

    this team!!!!! just making Toronto seem like world beaters.

  86. Karl Krawfid says:

    Poor Yanks.

  87. Kostas says:

    Gardner misses the cutoff, Granderson throws to ???? Is this spring training?

    Down 3-1 and only 2 hits. It is important to come out of the gates hot.

  88. Matt says:

    You have to occasionally throw the fastball, even if it’s only 86 or 87 mph.

    Garcia isn’t changing speeds on the righty hitters, and they are sitting on the breaking ball and hitting it hard repeatedly.

    Jose Molina can’t hit a fastball, yet he threw him all curveballs and sliders and hung one to allow a base hit and a run. Pretty much the only pitch that Jose Molina can hit is an offspeed pitch, yet they keep giving it to him despite not having success locating it in the inning.

    • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

      Freddy’s fastball is pretty much an offspeed pitch

      • Matt says:

        You still have to throw it once in a while to keep the hittrs honest. Garcia threw 18 pitches in the inning, 4 of which were fastballs, and no fastballs with runners on base.

        Opposing teams know that he isn’t going to challenge them with runners on base, so they sit offspeed. Against lefties, his splitter is good enough to still get them to swing and miss, but his breaking ball is not sharp tonight and he doesn’t make the adjustment.

        Even at 86-87, you can induce lazy fly balls because the hitters are looking for the 79-80.

        • ItsATarp says:

          are you a pitching coach or something? no seriously, because every game when a player gives up a run you tell them (major leaguers) what they should have done and how they can do their jobs better.

  89. Greg says:

    I’m goign to point this out. Yankees are 3-5 since the Mets loss and trailing.

  90. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    I wish Drabek started tonight.

  91. first time lawng time says:

    I’m going to shut off the game now.

  92. Pastadivingarod says:

    That was outside jeter has a legit gripe

  93. mt says:

    Can we get Morrow to be our #2 starter? :-)

  94. Kostas says:

    What the fuck are these hitters looking for? Thigh high down the middle? Oh wait, caught looking again. #slumpslumpslump

  95. wow says:

    these next few games just aren’t gonna be fun. this team looks flat.

  96. Hummingbird S. says:

    shitty offense doing work

  97. wow says:

    just wow…

  98. ItsATarp says:

    That loss to the Mets really made Freddy pitch like shit today

  99. Will says:

    Blue Jays = Red Sox

    Wow. Yanks are going to have a tough time if this is how they are going to play in the second half. These two games have been horrible in all aspects. The Blue Jays are starting to scare me.

    P.S: Cashman please take notice of how the Blue Jays believe in their prospects and actually play them.

    • Kostas says:

      Yankees prospects are not good enough to play for the Yankees, only to be traded to other teams. #falseprophets

    • Mike Axisa says:

      The Blue Jays play their prospects? The same team that has sent Travis Snider up and down a million times in the last two years? The one that dumped Drabek and Cecil back in the minors? Or refused to call up Adam Lind until Cito Gaston forced them to?

    • Jetrer says:

      easier to play prospects when you have no chance of getting to the playoffs so it does not matter what they do

    • Crime Dog says:

      Well this is just dumb. Talk about overreactions. This is 2 games we’re talking about. 2. Games. Everyone back off the ledge please

  100. Kostas says:

    Game 2 – Splat!

  101. Cuso says:

    Thames is a doubles machine. 4 in two days?

    God, the Yanks are in suck-mode again.

  102. mt says:

    Looks like Toronto has finally figured out Freddy’s slop.

    Not surprising, I am watching Toronto feed and they said that coming into this game – even without Bautista’s .500(!!!) average against Freddy, – this lineup had a .364 batting average against him.

  103. Pastadivingarod says:

    Get rid of freddy and colon
    Trade for Ubaldo
    Bring back nunez

  104. Kostas says:

    so tired of mediocrity beating the Yankees.

  105. Greg says:

    This is why Wade didnt pitch yesterday.

    • Jetrer says:

      so they could lose both games???… Wade not pitching yesterday has nothing to do with today

      • Greg says:

        Mitre would be warming right now if Wade pitched yesterday

        • Jetrer says:

          Relievers can pitch more than one day in a row. Wade is short reliever, so Mitre will almost definitely pitch today anyways. The game was only a two run deficit when Wade would have pitched yesterday. Instead you want to save him for a 5 run deficit???

  106. Pastadivingarod says:

    We need to stay in this game

  107. James A says:

    Garcia and Colon have done a great job helping the Yankees keep their heads well above water, but I think we all knew counting on them for a full season was a lot to ask
    I’m not saying either should lose their jobs, but Cashman I’m sure is doing his due diligence looking at every SP option

  108. Your mom says:

    This team is on it’s way to another shitless second half. Hopefully Cashman has the fucking balls to pull the trigger on frontline starter this year.

  109. Pastadivingarod says:

    Why not go home on that

  110. Your mom says:

    Pleas hit a HR, so I can go out and party.

  111. Kostas says:

    well boys, have to win the next two so you don’t lose the series.

  112. Gerald says:

    Really nice of Freddy and Bart to turn back into pumpkins at the same time.

  113. Pastadivingarod says:

    The mets have had garcia cursed forbthat little strole in fron the pen during a game dammed mets

  114. Your mom says:

    Freddy and Sergio can go fuck themselves

  115. ItsATarp says:

    Freddy Garcia pitching like shit cuz of momentum and not throwing enough fastballs…season over. Trade for Ubaldo. Call up every prospect. Retire Jeter. Fire Girardi. Fire Cashman.

  116. mbonzo says:

    So sloppy.

  117. Your mom says:

    IBB to Encarnacion? WTF???

  118. Mike Axisa says:

    What was the point of warming Wade up?

  119. Pastadivingarod says:

    Nice yankees suck chant
    This is going to be redsox b very soon the will start to throw at us too

  120. Your mom says:

    I’m praying for Ubaldo, a real LOOGY and a healthy A-rod……..This team is doomed otherwise.

  121. Matt says:

    The Yankees are beating themselves in these games far more than Toronto is outplaying them.

    Sloppy defense, stupid pitching, and horrible at bats with runners on base. Toronto has had 7 more baserunners than the Yankees in this game, yet only 1 more AB with RISP.

    How about they get fired up for once against Toronto instead of taking it over and over? If you are so upset that guys are stealing signs (which it looks like they are possibly still doing), then you throw it behind the first batter and make them move their feet.

    The Yankees if they lose tonight will be 15-15 against the AL East, which is pretty weak when you consider that they have something like 50 games left against the East.

  122. Kostas says:

    At this point, it is like Cashman has been collecting has-beens in hopes of getting a really nice Christmas present, or he is just ensuring he is not the GM next year.

    • CS Yankee says:

      Because Werth, Crawford & Pavano is what was available but he choose not to sign them?

      • Kostas says:

        Atta boy think like a Yankee fan, go buy everything. Here is a thought, player development – no wait you were correct, I forget about the Joba rules. #nodevelopmentYanks

        • CS Yankee says:

          You comment was about collecting has-beens.

          Your rant is stupid, because;
          1) The order where we draft…usually real late because we are winners!
          2) His IFA signings have been great…see Cano, Montero, etc.
          3) They have moved up to a top 5-6 farm system under his helm.
          4) When they haven’t harvest the development (Hughes, Joba, IPK, etc) they have either stuck with them or traded for key players (i.e. Granderson).
          5) He has plucked quality where no team has looked much at (Ace, JoVa)

          Because his 2011 retread have done extremly well (less the last two nights) and you seem to be pissed about that.

          Grow up, kid.

      • FIPster Doofus says:

        To be fair, Cashman didn’t choose not to sign Pavano. Carl chose to take Minnesota’s offer. New York was very much interested.

    • ItsATarp says:

      It’s worked so far. Having two bad games does not negate the fact they have done well uptil now.

  123. Kostas says:

    Tex strikes out. Shocked I tell ya, SHOCKED.

  124. James A says:

    Admittedly when you watch Brandon Morrow pitch and you watch Freddy Garcia pitch, it’s not that surprising that the Blue Jays are winning.

  125. Pastadivingarod says:

    Sunday ticket free with direct tv not fair i already have dtv

  126. Greg says:

    I remember hearing from Michael Kay that the Yankees have only won championships in bunches, they have never had a one and done championship. Well, if thats true then the 2009 championship should signal more.

    • ItsATarp says:

      Listening to Michael Kay’s “facts” may cause tumors

      • Greg says:

        But looking at research he is right.

        • ItsATarp says:

          Not everything can be considered “research”. a Random collection of data is not research. simply saying winning a WS one year is is a sign they will win one again soon doesn’t say much. You have to factor in team talent, competition talent, other factors etc.

  127. Irrational Yankees Fan says:

    I blame Kenny Lofton.

  128. Your mom says:

    Girardi should seriously consider swapping CC and Hughes this weekend. Gotta at least win 1 of these games. Nice to know we play 4 at Tampa next week too. This will be a long ass week.

  129. Tut says:

    Tex is morphing into Steve Balboni

  130. Matt says:

    Garcia is at 95 pitches and this game is over. Why would you take him out and burn one of your few decent relievers in Wade in this spot? What if you need him for the next 3 days in a row?

    • Greg says:

      Who else is there? Girardi was forced to burn the pen yesterday.

      • Matt says:

        Did you even bother to read the first sentence of my post?

        • Greg says:

          Garcia is 3 someodd years old and was doing nothing.

          • Matt says:

            Again, this game is already over. Leave him in there to eat up innings and to save the bullpen after last night’s game. He could have given you at least one more, and then you just throw Mitre in there for the rest of it and DFA him tomorrow morning.

            • Mike Axisa says:

              Did you watch the fourth and fifth inning? What makes you think Garcia could get three outs in 15-20 pitches?

              • Matt says:

                It doesn’t matter. You have to squeeze as many innings out of him as you can after last night’s debacle. I’m not saying to push him to 120 pitches, but 105-110 was certainly reasonable. Every extra out that you can get out of him is one less that the pen has to throw.

                • Mike Axisa says:

                  One extra out makes negligible difference. That’s ridiculous.

                  • Matt says:

                    Or, he could have gone out there and thrown a 10 pitch 1-2-3 inning and saved the pen a bit.

                    You really don’t know, and this game was pretty much already over at that point. Saving a guy like Wade an additional inning could contribute more to a future win than Garcia’s absence to tonight’s game.

        • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

          The Yankees have scored 7 runs in a game this year.

          • Matt says:

            Brandon Morrow is in there for at least another inning because they haven’t worked him hard enough in the last few innings. This game is pretty much over.

            It’s not “giving up,” it’s being realistic. Why waste useful arms in a game in which their performance can’t make much of a difference? If you were going to bring in Wade, it should have been with the bases loaded and nobody out and the score 3-1. Otherwise, it’s too late.

    • Your mom says:

      Should’ve thrown in the Mitre towel.

      • Matt says:

        Should have just brought him in to pitch the 7th and 8th and then DFA. Why waste potentially useful arms in a game which is likely already over?

  131. Tut says:

    Texiera is morphing into Steve Balboni

  132. Tut says:

    Texiera is becoming Steve Balboni

  133. Pastadivingarod says:

    Go get ubaldo
    Colon lr

  134. Greg says:


    If Wade gives up runs, your arguement for yesterday is moot

    • Jetrer says:

      runs today don’t mean runs yesterday, you can’t possibly argue Logan and Mitre were a better choice than Wade yesterday

  135. Tut says:

    Cmon Tex

  136. LarryM.,Fl. says:

    The whole team looks flat. But, I just can’t justify giving up starts to Garcia when decent young talent ( Nova and Noesi) could be starting. This has nothing to do with the last two games. The Yankees have gotten as much as possible from Colon and Garcia. Colon apprehensive about his hammy then don’t play him. If he believes that it could pop then he should be sitting on the bench or DL.

    Its apparent that one of our top prospects will be packing his bags by the end of July as Freddie and Bart continue to throw batting practice.

    Now, Wade shows us why he was picked up off the scrape heap.

  137. Pastadivingarod says:

    For gods sake dfa mitre bring up romero

    • Your mom says:

      DFA Freddy. If we’re gonna lose might as well play the young guys. I’d rather see Warren, Nova, Noesi or Phelps get a shot.

  138. Kostas says:

    I want the 2009 Yankees where come backs were possible. Not this “down by 4+ runs, just get through the game shit”

  139. wow says:

    so glad Cory is in there to keep us in the game.

  140. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Gameday says “on field delay” what happened?

  141. first time lawng time says:

    LMAO. Ummm maybe the Yankees should score some runs and their pitchers shouldn’t suck? Hahaha

    well, AJ is tomorrow, so one of those things will happen.

    Also, call up Nova and put Hughes in the bullpen.

  142. Greg says:

    Speaking of the Rays we could be in 3rd by the end of next week. Oh what fun.

  143. Mojo says:

    Pedroia and Ellsbury both with 12 HRs? Damn. Even without Crawford, the RS have the best lineup in baseball. Right now their pitching kind of sucks, but honestly, how can anyone see the Yankees beating out the Sox for a World Series trip? Hopefully, and I sincerely do hope, Boston is on an offensive tear that will soon calm down because 1-5, they are as good as I’ve ever seen. Our 1-5, on the other hand, is, more often than not, pretty shitty. Bring on all the scornful remarks but I dare say I speak the truth.

    • Greg says:

      THe Phillies are much better than they are. And the NL had home field.

      • CS Yankee says:

        Put down the crack pipe.

        The Phillies rule with SP, bats are decent, bullpen blows.

      • Mojo says:

        Pitching, yes, but offensively the Sox are actually quite scary. I honestly thought that Pedroia was done after last season but I stand very much corrected. Throw in a healthy, “normal” Crawford and this lineup is unstoppable. Hell, even Salty and Varitek contribute, and WTF is with Reddick? Why can they bring up shitty AAAers that over-perform like crazy but we can’t? Like I’ve been advocating ALL season, this team (the Yankees) need a hot, beefy, youth injection. They NEED a young bat in their lineup to spark this shit up, ESPECIALLY without A-Rod. If EVER there were a time for Montero, it is now. I have no doubt about it.

    • Your mom says:

      FUCK BOSTON!!!!!

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

      Boston is definitely the better team. All the Yankees need to do is make it into the postseason and hope for some playoff magic. Tis all.

      • Mojo says:

        While I wish to the almighty Mo that I eat crow, this is not the Yankees’ year. The least that I can do/hope is that it’s NOT Boston’s year. I honestly didn’t foresee Garcia and Colon collapsing so soon (if that’s even what’s happening – although Freddy can’t seem to pitch to powerful offenses), but there’s just so much missing with the Yankees. How about a CONSISTENT bat outside of Cano? That would be MARVELOUS! Or maybe a pitcher behind CC . . . And then there’s Teixera. I could an entire treatise about how much dick he sucks in the 3-hole, but I won’t. This team is NOT built for a championship, plain and simple. Gimme Prince Fielder, Jesus, and an Ace-ish pitcher behind Sabathia and THEN I’ll start thinking otherwise, but until such dreams are fulfilled . . . consider me a non-believer amidst the current state of Yankee affairs.

  144. LarryM.,Fl. says:

    Food for thought, Freddie Garcia prior to tonight’s game has a better whip than Ubaldo 1.2+ as opposed to 1.3+. NL West to AL East

  145. Matt says:

    Russell Martin, since May 1st, is hitting .186/.298/.286 (not including tonight’s game).

    At some point, it’s going to be tough to continue to play him no matter how good his defense has been.

    With A-Rod out for at least a month, they need offense out of their starters, and Martin is a black hole right now in the lineup. No matter how mediocre Montero may be defensively or how “uninterested” he could be in AAA, they should really give him a chance when he comes back off of the DL. Martin is KILLING THEM offensively, and they can’t afford that right now.

    • ItsATarp says:

      You know this is one of the few things i agree with you on

    • LarryM.,Fl. says:

      Can Montero call a game? Catching has become more of a defensive position and offensive liability.

      • Matt says:

        I don’t know, but the Yankees don’t really have pitchers that hold runners anyway. They have allowed the 5th most stolen bases in the American League, and it seems like a lot of them are off of the pitchers.

        Martin’s defense is only so valuable when his on base percentage is higher than his slugging percentage over a 2 1/2 month period. At the very least, you could break him in for 2-3 games a week at catcher (Posada at DH) and 2-3 games per week at DH (Martin catches).

        I’m sure that everyone loves Russell Martin, but he is killing them right now. With A-Rod out, they need more offense, and Martin can’t provide much of it.

  146. Kostas says:

    Yep. Yanks have laid down. Pathetic.

  147. ItsATarp says:

    the 2009 yankees never lost 2 games to the blue jays…in fact i don’t remember them losing games at all

  148. stuart a says:

    tex is playing like crap. under 240 BA.

    martin is down to 214….

    there offense is half asleep. spare me the tip the hat routine….

  149. first time lawng time says:

    Mariners, Tigers, Royals, White Sox, Blue Jays, Red Sox.

    What do those things have in common? They are all teams who the Yankees have lost or split series to that were sub .500 at the time.

  150. Matt says:

    It’s really telling that only 2 hitters in tonight’s lineup for the Yankees are batting at least .270 (Cano and Nunez). 5 hitters in Boston’s lineup tonight are over that level.

    Not one batter in tonight’s starting lineup is hitting over .300 right now. Toronto has 3, Tampa has 1, and Boston has 3.

    It’s hard to get hits with RISP when you don’t get that many hits in general. The offense looks an awful lot like last year’s bully bunch. They either all hit or all struggle at the same time. They are such a streaky club at the plate, and it really reflects on their often inconsistent approach.

    • Greg says:

      Well Fenway has something to do with that. but your point is noted.

    • Jetrer says:

      “They either all hit or all struggle at the same time.”

      You mean the opposing pitcher either has a good game or a bad game?
      Wow, that’s earth shattering

      • Matt says:

        No, not even close, but thanks once again for your constructive post.

        If this team leaves a bunch of runners on and doesn’t score early, they shut down and don’t score until the 5th or 6th inning. If they get one or two base hits with RISP, the whole lineup jumps on the pile and they score in bunches.

        They live and die together. Very rarely do you see 2 or 3 hitters hot with 2 or 3 hitters cold. They are either all hot or all cold. And no, it’s not because of one pitcher when it happens for a week or two at a time.

        • Jetrer says:

          your welcome,
          and the leaving guys on early and then getting shut down is most often due to a good pitcher settling into a groove, like Morrow tonight

          • Matt says:

            Stop arguing for the sake of arguing. Have you watched this team play this year?

            Brad Penny is a good pitcher? Vin Mazzaro? Rick Porcello? Carlos Villanueva? Ervin Santana? Doug Davis? Carlos Carrasco (clobbered in his last two starts vs NYY and Tor).

            And even if the pitcher is good, it doesn’t mean that he is good on that night. Morrow was excellent tonight. Ubaldo Jimenez a few weeks ago? Not really.

            • Jetrer says:

              I’m not arguing for the sake of arguing, and I’m not saying that every pitcher that shuts down the Yankees have been great. Weak pitchers do sometimes pitch good games (see Freddy Garcia). Good teams do sometimes struggle offensively. I just think its ridiculous that you are complaining so much about the second best offense in the league.

    • Jetrer says:

      and BTW, the Yankees and Red Sox are tied in wRC+ with RISP and only .002 apart and .wOBA, and the Yankees have scored a higher percentage of their baserunners … guess all those .300 hitters aren’t helping the Sox all that much

      • Matt says:

        Are you serious?

        The Red Sox lineup is 5 batters deep, FIVE, and they are nearly equal in production to the “vaunted” “circular” Yankees lineup. I’d say that their .300 hitters are helping them quite a LOT, since 3 of those 5 hitters are batting over .300.

        • Jetrer says:

          Who says the Yankee lineup is circular????? Jeter,Martin, Posada. That is no more circular than Boston’s lineup. I’m not saying that those hitter don’t help the Sox, obviously they do. You made a point about it making a big difference with team RISP. I have proven that that is not the case.

          • Matt says:

            You are misinterpreting your own numbers though. The Red Sox 6-9 are simply terrible right now, due to injury and JD Drew.

            Their top 5 in the order would blow the Yankees away in most of those categories, even though the Yankees on paper should have just as dynamic a middle of the order. That’s the difference that I am citing. The Yankees are deeper, but not as dangerous because they have more holes in their swings.

            • Jetrer says:

              I’m not going to continue this, because you keep changing your point every time I prove you wrong. I have better things to do with my time.

              • Matt says:

                I have not changed my point once in this thread.

                The Yankees have underachieved offensively because of a huge decline in the batting averages of key players. The Red Sox have a significantly more dangerous top of the lineup because they are more consistent as a result of hitting for more average.

                You have not proven anything in this thread, because you are misusing your own numbers. If the Red Sox are equal in nearly every offensive category, but have horrible hitters in 4 slots in the batting order, then that means that they are SIGNIFICANTLY better at the top of the order than this club. The Yankees on paper should have the hitters to match them, but they aren’t performing.

                • Jetrer says:

                  ‘Not one batter in tonight’s starting lineup is hitting over .300 right now. Toronto has 3, Tampa has 1, and Boston has 3.
                  It’s hard to get hits with RISP when you don’t get that many hits in general
                  This was the point I was responding too. I proved that the Red Sox having more .300 hitters has not really given them an advantage overall with RISP. Holes in swings and what part of who’s lineup is doing better has nothing to do with the team’s overall RISP production, which is what I was responding to.

                  • Matt says:

                    You are really clueless.

                    You continue to reference a team’s overall numbers, yet you conveniently ignore the fact that the Red Sox numbers are dragged down tremendously by having the worst 6-9 in the entire division, by plenty.

                    If the Red Sox numbers are virtually identical to the Yankee numbers with almost no contributions from 5-9, that means that their first five hitters are MUCH better than the Yankees. They are more consistent because of their high batting average.

                    The Red Sox top of the order is far more dangerous than any combination of hitters you could put together from this Yankees lineup. With the game on the line, they are much harder to get out because they have fewer holes in their swings.

                    The Red Sox ARE a much better team with RISP. The top 5 in their order are murdering pitchers in the clutch at a well above average pace, and their 6-9 are as bad as we expected. The Yankees, on the other hand, are consistently mediocre in those spots outside of Eduardo Nunez and Alex Rodriguez.

                    • Jetrer says:

                      Yankees RISP and Red Sox RISP are IDENTICAL in wRC+. Yankees have scored a higher percentage of their baserunners. I’m not arguing that the Red Sox best haven’t been better than the Yankees best. They clearly have been. ALL NINE SPOTS IN THE ORDER DO HAVE TO BAT, so team totals are the only thing that matters. The 6-9 hitters do come up with the game on the line as well. You can’t compare two TEAMS, and completely ignore half of the lineups. And BTW, the Red Sox have better numbers out of the 6 and 9 slots than the Yankees do.

                    • Matt says:

                      I am not saying they are a better overall lineup. I’m pointing out that because they have hitters who hit for a higher average, they are scoring just as many runs with a much shallower lineup.

                      That is why I am telling you that the Yankees are UNDERACHIEVING. The Red Sox have a lineup that is 5 deep and are scoring just as many runs as the Yankees.

                      The Yankees, on paper, should have hitters capable of matching the numbers of many of their top 5, yet instead of hitting .300, they are hitting .270, or instead of .350, they are hitting .240. The lack of base hits makes you a much streakier team. When you score runs, they tend to come in bunches and on home runs, but if you don’t hit them, you struggle to find other ways to get it done.

                    • Matt says:

                      Last sentence of the first post in this thread:

                      “They are such a streaky club at the plate, and it really reflects on their often inconsistent approach.”

                      This has been the argument in the entire thread, and is still my argument now.

                      Low batting average is indicative of more streaky players. Just like how a .500 team may not always look mediocre. Toronto is a .500 team, but on some nights they look like a playoff caliber team, and on others like a last place team. They can still get it done sometimes, but they don’t get it done as often.

                    • Jetrer says:

                      I have never said the Yankee lineup is not underachieving, although only a few are, relative to expected performance, you could say Tex(only in avg. though, and he tends to be better in second half anyways) and maybe Martin(really wasn’t expecting much from him this year anyways.

                    • Matt says:

                      The hitters in this year’s lineup that I’d argue have underachieved:

                      Jeter- production still way down, thought he’d bounce back at least a little

                      Teixeira- Batting average down even more, and was hoping for a bounce back in that department since last year’s was based on his first 2-3 months of horrid performance. He’s become home run or nothing.

                      A-Rod- Power has been absent as a result of injuries. Given how he started in April with his swing, it’s a huge disappointment.

                      Cano- Batting average down 20 points from last year, and plate discipline has reverted to pre-2010 levels.

                      Posada- Horrible start, and not hitting at all from the right side

                      Swisher- Horrible start, but coming around lately (still, overall numbers are a bit down).

                      Martin- Triple slash is something like .185/.285/.280 since April. Pretty much a black hole since his one hot streak.

                      Obviously it depends on your expectations of them, but relative to their careers, these are pretty disappointing seasons.

                    • Matt says:

                      And from another one of your posts in this thread:

                      ““how much the Yankees have underachieved offensively these last few years”
                      If having the best offense in baseball over that time period is underachieving, then yes, you are correct sir.”

                      So yes, you have tried to brush off the underachieving remarks.

                    • Jetrer says:

                      Jeter is about where I expected him to be. I think he is in permanent decline.
                      Tex – agree on average, everything else has been fine though, hoping he’ll pickup the avg second half.
                      ARod – getting old as well, don’t expect him to be dominant or be able to stay healthy, overall he’s actually been a bit better than I expected.
                      Swish – Just about back to career avg. wRC+ after horrible start
                      Cano – I think last year may have been career best for him. He still has second highest wRC+ of career now.
                      Martin – had low expectations, but he has been awful lately, hopefully can bounce back
                      Posada – old and adjusting to DH didn’t bode well for him this year

      • Matt says:

        When you see what the Red Sox top of the order has done this year, it really shows you how much the Yankees have underachieved offensively these last few years.

        Teixeira, A-Rod, and Cano could be just as dynamic as Gonzalez, Youkilis, and Ortiz, but 2 of those 3 hitters have seen a significant decline in batting average this season which has made them much less dangerous.

        • Jetrer says:

          “how much the Yankees have underachieved offensively these last few years”
          If having the best offense in baseball over that time period is underachieving, then yes, you are correct sir.

          • Matt says:

            Just because they were the best last year doesn’t mean they couldn’t have been better.

            Teixeira had a horrible first half, A-Rod had a mediocre year until September, Jeter was hitting .260 into September, Granderson was useless until August, Posada hit .200 for a 3 month stretch in the middle of the season… Do I need to keep going?

            Yes, they scored a lot of runs, but do you really think that they couldn’t have done more given how many players had down years? All of those down years at the same time are the difference between the 2010 streaky type offense and a more consistent 2009 type club.

            • Jetrer says:

              “Just because they were the best last year doesn’t mean they couldn’t have been better.”
              Really! You don’t say!
              You can say that about any team, any time, any year. No team has every player have a career year in one season.

              • Matt says:

                What are you talking about?

                The Yankees had 5 players with career WORST seasons last year, and 2 of those 5 players were under 30 and still in their primes.

                With the talent that they had, they could have been a GREAT offensive club, but they were merely GOOD because of having many off seasons at the same time. They definitely underachieved, and I don’t understand how you continue to miss this obvious point.

                • Jetrer says:

                  ummm, not to let facts get in the way or anything, but the only regulars with career worst years last year (overall offense, not just BA, I’m using wOBA, which is much more indicative of offensive value) were ARod and Jeter, both older players in decline

                  • Matt says:

                    You are seriously trying to lecture me on offensive performance? Where have I said that batting average is the most important measure of production? I’m pointing out that a decline in batting average with little change in the other levels of production is indicative of a decline in CONSISTENCY.

                    And if we want to look at numbers, how about we try using wRC+, which adjusts for the league average:

                    A-Rod- 124 in 2010, 144 in 2009 (2010 was worst year since 1997)

                    Teixeira- 127 in 2010, 142 in 2009 (2010 was worst year since 2006, and only worse season was his first year in the bigs)

                    Granderson- 113 in 2010, Only worse season since 2006 was his 102 in 2009.

                    Jeter- 95 in 2010, 135 in 2009, worst year of career other than his 15 games in 1995

                    4 key cogs in the lineup had pretty down years in 2010, and 2 of them were in the primes of their careers still.

                    • Jetrer says:

                      You just said 5 had career worst years and then follow up the rebuttal by pointing out it was only 1. Nice. From 5 having career worst to 4 having down years. Glad you take the time to check your facts before you post. And wRC+ is based on wOBA. I only used wOBA to show exact production, not production relative to the league.

                    • Matt says:

                      The fifth players (Posada) only didn’t see that kind of decline because of his insane April numbers. From May 1st on, Posada hit .237/.351/.422, which is a pretty down performance by his standards. In March/April he had a 177 wRC+, and was far below that for the rest of the season.

                      And when I said “career worst” season, I wasn’t obviously being 100% literal in that remark. The declines for many of these players were TREMENDOUS, and represented some of the worst seasons that these players have had in their careers.

                      Jeter went from one of the best offensive players in the league to below average. Teixeira and A-Rod saw their performance decline by 20 percentage points relative to the league average (aka the difference between Granderson and Jeter last year).

                      Granderson’s numbers were also significantly bolstered by the last month of the season. Through August 31st, he was hitting .248/.315/.432.

                      The key was also the lack of consistency. Teixeira was non-existent for the first 2.5 months of last season, which hurt the lineup a lot during that stretch. You can get to the same level of production in many ways, and it would have been more valuable to spread it around.

                    • Matt says:

                      On the same point, consider that Posada and Granderson were also nonexistent for a few months in the middle of the season.

                      The streakiness, on top of the diminished overall production, made the lineup a lot weaker than it should have been last season.

  151. ItsATarp says:

    Girardi decides to end the game early

  152. Monteroisdinero says:

    You can run on the Yanks, you can get Tex out with changeups and you can get Cano to swing at almost any pitch that doesn’t hit him. Properly done-Yanks very beatable. Also, once Mitre warms up, you can enjoy your efforts!

    I agree it is time for some youth and energy. Montero and Golson will be fine.

  153. Rockstar4Life says:

    So nice to have Mitre back. He loves to bring the lulz.

  154. James A says:

    Whatever photos Mitre has of Girardi, they’ve got to be pretty bad. I’m talking coke, hookers, like end of the Hangover photos. It’s the only explanation

  155. Crime Dog says:

    I hope this is the last we’ve seen of The Experience. I understand he’s the 25th man and all, but man you can’t tell me Buddy Carlyle can’t do better. Or maybe we’d all rather see a 2nd lefty take that spot in Romero. But man, this is brutal

  156. Greg says:

    We could trade Martin (and other prospects) to Colorado for Jimenez and open the door for Motero

  157. Cuso says:

    M.A., Your opinion?

    Is this team too “veteran” or too “above” having a closed-door meeting, reaming-out by Girardi?

    I know we’ve all said they served little purpose, but strategically timed may have value?

    (p.s. I’m not asking trolls opinions)

    • Pasqua says:

      I’m no “M.A.,” but why would he be inclined to do that two games into the second half, AND following a pretty good stretch of baseball leading up to the All-Star Break?

      I would think teams are allowed to suck lose a couple before the manager turns to lighting a fire under their asses or reaming them out, ugly losses or not.

      • Cuso says:

        i know thats the natural inclination. but :

        1) they were cruddy going into the break
        2) they’re not necessarily ‘slumping,’ right now. it’s more ‘sloppy’ & poor ‘plate approaches
        3) if I were Girardi I’d be a little concerned about the “we’ll pick it up when A-Rod gets back mentality
        4) completely different team, but Torre did it with a1-3 team in the 4th game of the season inn 98

        I thik that if anyone OTHER than CC was starting tomorrow it would happen.

        Furttherrmore, iff CC loses tomorrow & the Yanks play crappy, i think it will happen.

  158. Ryan says:

    I can’t believe the equipment manager keeps screwing up and giving Mitre a baseball glove instead of his personalized white flag.

  159. Simon says:

    Right when we needed it….

  160. IRF says:

    Those rowdy Canadians are at it again.

  161. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    another on field delay? another fan on the field?

  162. Crime Dog says:

    Let’s see CC put up a patented ace performance tomorrow. Save the ledge-jumpers. Maybe Cashman will get serious about getting a starter after this. Dempster would be the safest bet I’d say

  163. Crime Dog says:

    The guys running on the field are smart. They think, hey, if Mitres on the field I belong there too

  164. Mojo says:

    Only 2 batters over .270 – Now THAT is a Championship caliber lineup. BRAVISIMO!

    • Jerome S. says:

      OBP >>>> BA

      And last time I checked, there were three. Granderson, A-Rod and Cano. But a bunch more in the .260′s with high OBP’s, which you conviently left out.

      • Mojo says:

        Okay . . . Now compare that to the Red Sox lineup, which you CONVENIENTLY left out, by the way. You also CLEARLY forgot to mention that Meryl Streep is a two time Academy Award winner. Also, you failed to recall the little tidbit about the Magna Carta being written in 1215. HOW DARE YOU! And I can’t believe you neglected that South Sudan is now a COUNTRY!!! OMG!

      • Matt says:

        On the whole, yes, but you are a much streakier club when you hit for a low batting average. Many of the hitters in this lineup have seen their averages drop over nearly 50 points in the last few years, which is why they are relying more and more on the home run to score.

        They are still a pretty good offensive club, but not necessarily a dominant one anymore. Hitters such as Teixeira and Jeter have many more holes in their swings now than a few years ago. When pitchers are attacking your lineup more, it also affects your ability to draw walks.

        • Jerome S. says:

          In case you haven’t noticed, offense around the league has crashed.

          • Matt says:

            In 2009 they were 2nd in the AL in batting average. In 2010 they were 7th. This year, they are 6th.

            Even in a down league, they have still slipped relative to their peers in terms of getting base hits.

            The tremendous declines in batting average of key players such as Teixeira and Jeter has likely been a major factor in the inconsistency of the lineup at times.

  165. Mike Axisa says:

    I hope Gardner gets his hand stepped on next time he does that.

  166. mike c says:

    killer AB by gardner

  167. nunez fan says:

    Where’s the Nunez haters now? Yeah, that’s what I thought. And bring up Montero please.

  168. 45yearyanksfan says:

    can someone tell me why sabathia did not start on 4 days rest?

  169. Pastadivingarod says:

    Cervelli is just a waste on the bench need to upgrade catcher and martin needs days off.

  170. Mojo says:

    Okay . . . Now compare that to the Red Sox lineup, which you CONVENIENTLY left out, by the way. You also CLEARLY forgot to mention that Meryl Streep is a two time Academy Award winner. Also, you failed to recall the little tidbit about the Magna Carta being written in 1215. HOW DARE YOU! And I can’t believe you neglected that South Sudan is now a COUNTRY!!! OMG! Blow me?

  171. paul a says:

    ok the colon -garcia thing was nice while it lasted. now its time to go out and get some real pitching.

  172. Yanksfan says:

    I am incredibly tired of Tex. I don’t get how he gets this free pass with his complete inability to hit good pitching.

    I am the last person in the world to defend A-Rod, but if A-rod had had this kind of of performance in his first few years, he would get absolutely roasted, whereas Tex skates by and people point to his obp and good glove.

    Tex is a good player overall, absolutely. He is NOT an elite player and he is NOT a three hitter for a supposedly elite team. His swing is absolutely the same every single time, no matter what the pitch and no matter what the circumstance. He is just not a three hitter.

    enough already with him…PLEASE move him down to the five hole and expect Tino-like production. Nothing wrong with Tino-like production, but it is what it is.

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