Game 90: Gotta get down with Freddy

July 15, 2011 by Michael Axisa 451 Comments

Freddy Garcia — (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

I hate myself for that title. Here’s the lineup…

Derek Jeter, SS
Curtis Granderson, CF
Mark Teixeira, 1B
Robinson Cano, 2B
Nick Swisher, RF
Jorge Posada, DH
Russell Martin, C
Brett Gardner, LF
Eduardo Nunez, 3B

Freddy Garcia, SP

The game starts a little after 7pm ET and can be seen on My9 locally or MLB Network nationally. Enjoy.

Joey Bats Update: Blue Jays manager John Farrell told reporters before today’s game that Jose Bautista is likely to miss the rest of the series after twisting his ankle last night. “Optimistically Sunday, realistically Tuesday,” he said. That’s unfortunate, you know. It really is. Such a shame. Like is so unfair.

http://twitter.com/Carlosologist_7 Carlosologist

We caught a break with Bautista missing the rest of the series. Now hopefully we can win the rest of this series.
Guest

You shouldn’t. It’s one of my favorite memes for this site. Of all the different kinds of posters we have here, I can’t think of a single one that would genuinely like that song (without tongue planted firmly in cheek). Therefore, continued references remain hilariously out of place.

Partying, partying, YEAH!
- http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak
  
  Always appropriate when Freddy takes the ball on a Friday.
  - Chris
    
    Well, let’s just be glad he didn’t say “Gotta get down on Freddy.”
    - http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak
      
      I don’t think Rebecca Black is old enough to do that.
Jeter Meter

In toronto for the game. Sweaty Freddy baby!
Jonathan Harker

Nobody’s playing 3rd base, just like last night.
Monteroisdinero

Price for the Rays against the Sux. Hoping for a gem there. He still has nightmares after giving up the mammoth DJ3K.
- nathan
  
  I think he is fine, he is man enough to sign all those i gave up the 3k hit.
Cuso

I hate the mindset I get in when an opposing team is missing their biggest threat.

I foolishly start thinking ‘They should win this one and the next one, and Sunday too.’

Hate my mindset, but shouldn’t they?

…by the way, didn’t Morrow pitch 7.2 innings of no-hit ball against us last year? and then eventually shut us out?

Yeah, let’s reverse that.
- Jonathan Harker
  
  With their best player out I think it’s ok to believe they can at least win 2 out of the final 3 if not sweep the 3 games. Depends on our starters though and our luck. Without Bautista their lineup they’ve got Lind. Not much scares you.
  - Cuso
    
    This display is why I felt hesitant. They’re gonna lose 3-out-of-4, not win ‘em.
Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

Bautista missing the rest of the series means his replacement will be impossible to get out right?
lily

yankees are lucky. they need to take advantage of bautista not in the line-up and win the series. well lets first start with a win tonight. brandon morrow is always tough on us
bonestock94

Freddy is already sweating his ass off lol
first time lawng time

Where/when/how did the whole sweaty Freddy thing start? Is it exclusive to RAB? What’s the deal?
http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

Oh hey, Mark Teixeira popped out.
Greg

When you throw a hard fastball, you get those type of results from tex
- Chris
  
  Either that, or monster home runs, I suppose.
Pastadivingarod

I miss the cano HR SWING
http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

Nice job, fellas.
Pastadivingarod

Why cant girardi do this
Jeter
Gardner
Granderson
Cano
Tex
Posada
Swisher
Martin
Nunez
- first time lawng time
  
  Because he’s stupid.
  
  The only reason he got into Northwestern is that he’s an athlete. Which, I think, is bullshit when schools do that.
first time lawng time

Fail.
Jonathan Harker

Inexcusable not to score there. Our tablesetters get on and those other guys have to be able to drive them in. They couldn’t even move the runners up.
- Greg
  
  Morrow’s a good pitcher.
  
  Jeez, you guys would expect this lineup to batter Sandy Koufax.
  - first time lawng time
    
    That’s a bad analogy because expecting to beat Mrrow is nothing like expecting to beat Koufax.
    
    Morrow isn’t even that great, especially at home.
    - Greg
      
      No one gives credit to the opposing pitcher here. Doug Davis I can understand getting on the Yankees back but not this guy
- Chris
  
  God I miss A-rod. What about the chances of Jeter scoring if Patterson catches that Granderson foul ball?
Greg

Morrow gets credit for getting out of it by using his hard fastball to cause Tex and Swisher to pop up
- Chris
  
  I’d credit the Swisher out more to that awesome slider of his.
- Matt
  
  Let me guess, next you’re going to say “why couldn’t Colon do that?”
  
  Well I’ll answer the question for you:
  
  COLON DOES NOT HAVE A 90 MPH WIPEOUT SLIDER!
karel capek

Hold the phone
hold the phone
it’s David Cone
David Cone
I’m not cheatin’
the man looks
like Buster Keaton
- Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan
  
  I can see it.
Pastadivingarod

They are stealing signs again
Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

Yay sucking against a sub .500 team.
Jonathan Harker

That’s how you get a runner in from 2nd. Take notes Teixera, Cano, and Swisher.
Pastadivingarod

Hate to get hit by that 79mph fastball
IRF

Garnder has played pretty awful defense in Toronto.
Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

Way to pay attention Swish.
Pastadivingarod

Think the bluejays are starting become like the red sox
Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

7 run improvement over last night.

/nothingtobeproudof
bonestock94

Man, Hill really blows. The DFA seems inevitable.
Cuso

Suck-ass-fuck-fucks
Pastadivingarod

Haha british open Luv the coney
Greg

Question:

Do we think that the Shift alone is the reason for Teixiera’s declining average? Or is there something else?
- Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat
  
  I think it is his inordinate amount of infield popups.
  - Zooboy
    
    Well it worked against the Mets.
    - Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat
      
      ARod hit the Castillo ball if that’s what you’re talking about.
      - Zooboy
        
        Oops.
IRF

Holy mustache Batman!
- http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
  
  That thing reminded me of Damon’s from a few years ago. Dirty.
  - IRF
    
    I’m hoping it reaches Giambi status
    - http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
      
      He’ll be growing it all season then.
http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

Here comes the bunt.
- Greg
  
  Not with Posada on second.
Jonathan Harker

Here we go again. Marrow is trying to give us the ballgame. Why don’t you bunt Girardi to get to Nunez. I bet he does.
- Chris
  
  Heh, bunt Girardi over? I’d like to see that.
  - Chris
    
    But then again, Pinch run him for posada, why not?
Greg

Morrow’s gettin’ squeezed.
Chris

gardner bunt?
Chris

Gotta love Martin’s breakout slides. That’s how it’s done.
- Chris
  
  breakout, really? I’ve been playing too much atari lately.
Pastadivingarod

Wow great slide by martin
For a gay guy :)
- Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan
  
  lololol
Chris

Gotta love Martin’s takeout slides. That’s how it’s done.
- http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
  
  If he could hit like, .250/.350/.370, I’d be thrilled. He does everything else very well.
Jonathan Harker

Nunez continues to get the job done. Don’t know why you would trade the farm for a 4 week replacement when you’ve got him.
- Greg
  
  DEFENSE
- Pastadivingarod
  
  He will make up for it by air mailing one from third to first.
IRF

Nunez trying to redeem himself for the errors he will certainly make later on
Cuso

Thank God for Nunez

….wait, what?
IRF

That slider is fucking nasty
Greg

There’s the nasty slider.
first time lawng time

Oh look. Jeter failed.
- Greg
  
  More credit to Morrow for the slider.
  - first time lawng time
    
    More credit to Jeter for being completely useless the past 2 seasons.
    - Greg
      
      More credit to me for being logical.
      - Greg
        
        In this instance
      - first time lawng time
        
        More credit to me for being not illogical.
        
        OOOOHH DOUBLE NEGATIVE! WHAT NOW, GREG? WHAT NOW?!
        
        Greg
        
        Thanks for that. Cheered me up
        
        first time lawng time
        
        Greg, perk up. You always seem like so depressed. If the Yankees lose and the Red Sox win, you know what you have to say? BIG FUCKING DEAL! And get over it.
        
        Seriously, go buy a puppy or something.
Jetrer

Angel Hernandez just sucks royal ass
bonestock94

WUT
Jonathan Harker

Completely changed the at bat. Angel is a trash umpire.
first time lawng time

How in the he’ll did he swing?

Angel Hernandez is the biggest fucking douche. In a game against LAA last year he was being bitchy at AJ and wouldn’t give him any calls.

Bastard.
- Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan
  
  Are you sure AJ just wasn’t throwing balls?
  - first time lawng time
    
    Yes, Will Nieves Number 1 Fan, I am completely sure! I remember he threw strikes, because that’s why I was so pissed at Herbandez.
Karl Krawfid

Really wish Grandy would go the other way.

He has the power to do so easily.
Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

Thans Angel Hernandez. Asshole.
- Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat
  
  *Thanks
Kostas

Angel Hernandez is a great umpire. Otherwise the Brotherhood of Umpires would get rid of him – #union’d #fuckyoufans
Cuso

it could be worse. normally Angel Hernandez & Joe West are in the same crew. At least Joe isn’t in Toronto this weekend.

That goat-f*cker
Chris

Legit question. What’s Garcia’s FB%? I think I just saw like his 3rd of the night.
- Jetrer
  
  40.5%
  - Chris
    
    Thanks, guess it’s higher than I expected.
    - Jetrer
      
      My mistake, I thought you were referring to flyball %
      although his fastball % is close to that, 37.2%
- DCBX
  
  Ha!
  
  Reminds me of a story about Roger McDowell (currently Braves pitching coach) coming up in the 80’s with a 82-85 mph 2-seamer.
  
  At his first bullpen in Mets ST, the coach supposedly asked for the FB 4 or 5 times before realizing that WAS the FB.
Pastadivingarod

Freddy need colons fat injections
Karl Krawfid

Would trade Cervelli for Molina.
- Greg
  
  Blue Jays would hang up the phone.
- bonestock94
  
  No question
first time lawng time

Let’s leave 2 on again.
Chris

Since when does Jose Molina know what a bat is?
Karl Krawfid

Verlander has giving up 3 runs.

CC is coming for that CY.
- Karl Krawfid
  
  Make that 4
Pastadivingarod

Freddy throwin the junk tonight he is our knucklballer
first time lawng time

Fucking bunt, Teixeira.
Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

Ben Zobrist hit a grand slam. 5-1 Rays.
http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

Huh, Tex popped up again. Weird.
Chris

You can pop that one on the left side!
Greg

Again hard fastball in, popup

Luckily batting average means nothing in sabermetrics.
- Jetrer
  
  ummm, hits and outs mean something
  - Greg
    
    Nope. OBP is the main stat in sabermetrics adn Tex has a good one. .350.
    - IRF
      
      Except a) hits make up 3/4 of OBP and b) .350 isn’t good for a 1B
      - Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan
        
        This.
    - Jetrer
      
      outs are always the worst possible outcome, Sabremetrics or not
    - Jetrer
      
      and hits and outs are both prime factors in OBP
- first time lawng time
  
  I actually like batting average. I don’t care what people here say. I’d like some of our guys to hit .300
  - Jetrer
    
    not saying high batting avg is bad, just saying by itself, it doesn’t mean much, it leaves out too much information
Pastadivingarod

If they shift on a switchhitter why doesnt he just turn around and bat the other way?
- Greg
  
  Because by the rules, once you choose a side you are locked in. So if you set up the other way, they will just shift the other way.
  - Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan
    
    Are you sure this is even a real rule?
    - Greg
      
      You cant change the side you’re swinging from during an at bat. Otherwise it would be a mess.
      - Jetrer
        
        I think you can change once … they didn’t even have a rule until Pat Venditte came along
      - IRF
        
        Rule 6.06
        b) a batter is out for an illegal action when… He steps from one batters box to the other while the pitcher is ready to pitch.
        
        You can do it all you want as long as you call time.
  - Sweet Dick Willie
    
    Because by the rules, once you choose a side you are locked in.
    
    Are you sure about this? I vaguely (mis?)remember a discussion about Vindette that he couldn’t switch arms once the at-bat started, but the batter could.
    
    Also, there’s this:
    
    http://www.baseball-excellence.....Topic=6420
- Sheepmeister
  
  because the defense is allowed to move around and then the batter is batting from the weaker side for the pitcher.
  - Chris
    
    Also, when’s the last time Tex saw right handed pitching from the right side?
Karl Krawfid

Giambi and Cano man. Horrible.
Kostas

Remember when Tex hit the ball towards the outfield instead of straight up in the air…it is either strike out or pop up. #20millionayear
- Greg
  
  But what does this suggest about teixiera? What can you attest this to?
  - Kostas
    
    Aside from not being able to hit a change up (why anyone would throw anything else to him) his swing sucks. Too much upper cut.
Greg

E: Sergio Mitre so I could get a hit.
Pastadivingarod

Fuck elsbury went deep
first time lawng time

I am so sick of the BJs. They are such a pain in the ass which doesn’t make much sense because they suck against everyone else.
- Gerald
  
  Yeah those BJs really seem to rake against us
- Jetrer
  
  all kinds of innuendo in that statement
- IRF
  
  You used BJs, suck, and ass all in one post.
  
  Congratulations
- Pastadivingarod
  
  You need to find the right woman
  - Jetrer
    
    I thinks FTLT is a woman
    - Pastadivingarod
      
      She needs to find the right woman
      
      And a camera
    - bonestock94
      
      Well that explains the hatred of BJs
      - Pastadivingarod
        
        Ohhh rim shot.
        
        http://twitter.com/#!/Paddock9652 Stratman9652
        
        Are you shitting me?
        
        http://twitter.com/#!/Paddock9652 Stratman9652
        
        Damn reply fails.
      - first time lawng time
        
        Okay. This thread is starting to get innappropriate.Lol
Obvious Pun on BJ

I hate BJs.
- Pastadivingarod
  
  Bjs are like pizza even if its a sucky supermarket pizza its still good eats.
- first time lawng time
  
  What about swallows? Cardinals? Cocks? Hens?
Greg

Combo of slider and fastball is deadly
first time lawng time

I hate Russell Martin so much.
- Greg
  
  Youre blaming him for THAT?
  - first time lawng time
    
    Obviously not. That would be silly.
    
    I hate him because of that ugly hair growing above his lip. That thing that people call “mustache.”
    
    They sat “mustache”; I say “ewwwwwww.”. Eh. Tomato, tomahto.
    - Pastadivingarod
      
      Free mustache rides
- Yankee Fan 1
  
  sooo you basically like AJ and everyone else is useless. Got it. #sodumb
- Karl Krawfid
  
  He is what he is. He sucks.
Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

Overtheheadoftiexeira
Gerald

WOW, Travis Snider really looks like a pedophile.
first time lawng time

I bet Snider likes to live in Virginia and drives a red pickup truck and wears overalls with no shirt underneath and go on dates with women named Becky and Darlene only to find out over breakfast the next morning that their moms are sisters.
Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

Jebus this is embarrassing.
http://twitter.com/#!/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

These doubles are getting out of hand.
mt

Outfield not looking great so far this series!
Jonathan Harker

Can’t figure out why we ever let Molina go. He’s a .300 hitter and a great defender. All we have is Cervelli.
- Greg
  
  he wasnt a .300 hitter when he was with us.
- first time lawng time
  
  Molina a .300 hitter?
  
  Oh lord.
- http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
  
  Molina never came close to hitting like this. Ever. With the Yankees or Angels.
Greg

I dont know how to grade Freddy in this start so far.
AndrewYF

Granderson needs a new rule: NEVER THROW HOME
Pastadivingarod

Hate the jays friggin anklbitters
wow

this team!!!!! just making Toronto seem like world beaters.
Karl Krawfid

Poor Yanks.
Kostas

Gardner misses the cutoff, Granderson throws to ???? Is this spring training?

Down 3-1 and only 2 hits. It is important to come out of the gates hot.
Matt

You have to occasionally throw the fastball, even if it’s only 86 or 87 mph.

Garcia isn’t changing speeds on the righty hitters, and they are sitting on the breaking ball and hitting it hard repeatedly.

Jose Molina can’t hit a fastball, yet he threw him all curveballs and sliders and hung one to allow a base hit and a run. Pretty much the only pitch that Jose Molina can hit is an offspeed pitch, yet they keep giving it to him despite not having success locating it in the inning.
- Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat
  
  Freddy’s fastball is pretty much an offspeed pitch
  - Matt
    
    You still have to throw it once in a while to keep the hittrs honest. Garcia threw 18 pitches in the inning, 4 of which were fastballs, and no fastballs with runners on base.
    
    Opposing teams know that he isn’t going to challenge them with runners on base, so they sit offspeed. Against lefties, his splitter is good enough to still get them to swing and miss, but his breaking ball is not sharp tonight and he doesn’t make the adjustment.
    
    Even at 86-87, you can induce lazy fly balls because the hitters are looking for the 79-80.
    - ItsATarp
      
      are you a pitching coach or something? no seriously, because every game when a player gives up a run you tell them (major leaguers) what they should have done and how they can do their jobs better.
Greg

I’m goign to point this out. Yankees are 3-5 since the Mets loss and trailing.
- ItsATarp
  
  utterly small sample size..good job
- Greg
  
  This is after winning seven in a row. Now I have discussed momentum and I’m not trying to be a troll. I’m just bringing u a fact.
  - http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
    
    DOOOOOOOMED.
    - Greg
      
      Did I say that? I was just backing up a previous point that I had made concerning momentum.
  - ItsATarp
    
    pointing out a random selection of games as proof of momentum is not pointing out the “facts”. Why your same logic since we finished off the first half by beating the rays, we should be winning the next few games cuz we have “momentum”.
  - first time lawng time
    
    They’ve sucked this month. To be blunt.
  - StanfordBen
    
    If we didn’t have 100 years of baseball history to look at, then this might be vaguely interesting. Fortunately, we have that history, so we can tell that the effect of momentum and streakiness in a team’s wins is insignificant at best.
  - Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan
    
    Yes, Jason Bay’s walk off hit was so scarring for this team that it’s cause us to lose to the Blue Jays two weeks later.
    - Greg
      
      It leads to losing trends. That’s why there are all of these choke jobs. The 95 Angels, the Mets of 08 and 09, the 78 Red Sox.
      - ItsATarp
        
        lulz no
        
        Greg
        
        Then wxplain it then.
        
        ItsATarp
        
        http://thefastertimes.com/base.....ntum-myth/
        
        The idea of Momentum is pointless in the postseason.
      - Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan
        
        If momentum is as significant as you make it out to be, then there should be at least one choke job per season.
    - Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan
      
      Remember when the Rockies won the 2007 World Series because their momentum carried them against the Red Sox.
      - Greg
        
        Wrong because they had to sit down for few days because they manhandled the D-backs and the Red Sox went 7 games agaisnt the Indians. The momentum was negated by the rest.
        
        Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan
        
        Ooh okay, sorry, Greg. Looks like the momentum has turned in this argument.
        
        http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
        
        Then how come the All-Star break didn’t negate the Yankees’ negative momentum?
        
        Greg
        
        The Rockies break was more than 3 days.
        
        ItsATarp
        
        no it negated our good momentum cuz you know we won 2 games prior into the ASG…then our momentum was gone…duhhh
        
        Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat
        
        Remember when the Yankees won the 2004 ALCS because of the momentum from a 3-0 series lead?
        
        Greg
        
        And when they lost game 4, it all went downhill. They were unable to stop it
        
        Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat
        
        Well if the momentum from winning the first 3 was so strong, they’d win game 4.
        
        Greg
        
        David Ortiz broke the momentum.
        
        Greg
        
        Twice.
        
        Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan
        
        You just can’t predict MOMENTUM.
Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

I wish Drabek started tonight.
- Kostas
  
  So he could no hit the Yankees?
first time lawng time

I’m going to shut off the game now.
Pastadivingarod

That was outside jeter has a legit gripe
- Pastadivingarod
  
  Nowthat was a syrike
- Karl Krawfid
  
  Wouldn’t have done a damn thing anyway.
  
  Old man can’t catch up to that kind of heat.
- first time lawng time
  
  And herpes.
mt

Can we get Morrow to be our #2 starter? :-)
- Pastadivingarod
  
  Rather get Ubaldo
Kostas

What the fuck are these hitters looking for? Thigh high down the middle? Oh wait, caught looking again. #slumpslumpslump
wow

these next few games just aren’t gonna be fun. this team looks flat.
Hummingbird S.

shitty offense doing work
wow

just wow…
ItsATarp

That loss to the Mets really made Freddy pitch like shit today
Will

Blue Jays = Red Sox

Wow. Yanks are going to have a tough time if this is how they are going to play in the second half. These two games have been horrible in all aspects. The Blue Jays are starting to scare me.

P.S: Cashman please take notice of how the Blue Jays believe in their prospects and actually play them.
- Kostas
  
  Yankees prospects are not good enough to play for the Yankees, only to be traded to other teams. #falseprophets
- http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
  
  The Blue Jays play their prospects? The same team that has sent Travis Snider up and down a million times in the last two years? The one that dumped Drabek and Cecil back in the minors? Or refused to call up Adam Lind until Cito Gaston forced them to?
- Jetrer
  
  easier to play prospects when you have no chance of getting to the playoffs so it does not matter what they do
- Crime Dog
  
  Well this is just dumb. Talk about overreactions. This is 2 games we’re talking about. 2. Games. Everyone back off the ledge please
Kostas

Game 2 – Splat!
Cuso

Thames is a doubles machine. 4 in two days?

God, the Yanks are in suck-mode again.
mt

Looks like Toronto has finally figured out Freddy’s slop.

Not surprising, I am watching Toronto feed and they said that coming into this game – even without Bautista’s .500(!!!) average against Freddy, – this lineup had a .364 batting average against him.
Pastadivingarod

Get rid of freddy and colon
Trade for Ubaldo
Bring back nunez
Kostas

so tired of mediocrity beating the Yankees.
- Cuso
  
  So tired of mediocrity BEING the Yankees
  - Kostas
    
    it is literally feast or famine. No in between with this team.
Greg

This is why Wade didnt pitch yesterday.
- Jetrer
  
  so they could lose both games???… Wade not pitching yesterday has nothing to do with today
  - Greg
    
    Mitre would be warming right now if Wade pitched yesterday
    - Jetrer
      
      Relievers can pitch more than one day in a row. Wade is short reliever, so Mitre will almost definitely pitch today anyways. The game was only a two run deficit when Wade would have pitched yesterday. Instead you want to save him for a 5 run deficit???
Pastadivingarod

We need to stay in this game
- wow
  
  are you watching the same game I am?
James A

Garcia and Colon have done a great job helping the Yankees keep their heads well above water, but I think we all knew counting on them for a full season was a lot to ask
I’m not saying either should lose their jobs, but Cashman I’m sure is doing his due diligence looking at every SP option
Your mom

This team is on it’s way to another shitless second half. Hopefully Cashman has the fucking balls to pull the trigger on frontline starter this year.
Pastadivingarod

Why not go home on that
Your mom

Pleas hit a HR, so I can go out and party.
Kostas

well boys, have to win the next two so you don’t lose the series.
Gerald

Really nice of Freddy and Bart to turn back into pumpkins at the same time.
Pastadivingarod

The mets have had garcia cursed forbthat little strole in fron the pen during a game dammed mets
Your mom

Freddy and Sergio can go fuck themselves
ItsATarp

Freddy Garcia pitching like shit cuz of momentum and not throwing enough fastballs…season over. Trade for Ubaldo. Call up every prospect. Retire Jeter. Fire Girardi. Fire Cashman.
mbonzo

So sloppy.
Your mom

IBB to Encarnacion? WTF???
http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

What was the point of warming Wade up?
Pastadivingarod

Nice yankees suck chant
This is going to be redsox b very soon the will start to throw at us too
Your mom

I’m praying for Ubaldo, a real LOOGY and a healthy A-rod……..This team is doomed otherwise.
Matt

The Yankees are beating themselves in these games far more than Toronto is outplaying them.

Sloppy defense, stupid pitching, and horrible at bats with runners on base. Toronto has had 7 more baserunners than the Yankees in this game, yet only 1 more AB with RISP.

How about they get fired up for once against Toronto instead of taking it over and over? If you are so upset that guys are stealing signs (which it looks like they are possibly still doing), then you throw it behind the first batter and make them move their feet.

The Yankees if they lose tonight will be 15-15 against the AL East, which is pretty weak when you consider that they have something like 50 games left against the East.
- Your mom
  
  Like I said, DOOMED!
Kostas

At this point, it is like Cashman has been collecting has-beens in hopes of getting a really nice Christmas present, or he is just ensuring he is not the GM next year.
- CS Yankee
  
  Because Werth, Crawford & Pavano is what was available but he choose not to sign them?
  - Kostas
    
    Atta boy think like a Yankee fan, go buy everything. Here is a thought, player development – no wait you were correct, I forget about the Joba rules. #nodevelopmentYanks
    - CS Yankee
      
      You comment was about collecting has-beens.
      
      Your rant is stupid, because;
      1) The order where we draft…usually real late because we are winners!
      2) His IFA signings have been great…see Cano, Montero, etc.
      3) They have moved up to a top 5-6 farm system under his helm.
      4) When they haven’t harvest the development (Hughes, Joba, IPK, etc) they have either stuck with them or traded for key players (i.e. Granderson).
      5) He has plucked quality where no team has looked much at (Ace, JoVa)
      
      Because his 2011 retread have done extremly well (less the last two nights) and you seem to be pissed about that.
      
      Grow up, kid.
  - FIPster Doofus
    
    To be fair, Cashman didn’t choose not to sign Pavano. Carl chose to take Minnesota’s offer. New York was very much interested.
    - CS Yankee
      
      Only due to cash making it a year offer…raise the money, add a year and he is here.
      
      BTW, I’m glad he is not here.
      - FIPster Doofus
        
        I am too.
- ItsATarp
  
  It’s worked so far. Having two bad games does not negate the fact they have done well uptil now.
Kostas

Tex strikes out. Shocked I tell ya, SHOCKED.
James A

Admittedly when you watch Brandon Morrow pitch and you watch Freddy Garcia pitch, it’s not that surprising that the Blue Jays are winning.
Pastadivingarod

Sunday ticket free with direct tv not fair i already have dtv
Greg

I remember hearing from Michael Kay that the Yankees have only won championships in bunches, they have never had a one and done championship. Well, if thats true then the 2009 championship should signal more.
- ItsATarp
  
  Listening to Michael Kay’s “facts” may cause tumors
  - Greg
    
    But looking at research he is right.
    - ItsATarp
      
      Not everything can be considered “research”. a Random collection of data is not research. simply saying winning a WS one year is is a sign they will win one again soon doesn’t say much. You have to factor in team talent, competition talent, other factors etc.
Irrational Yankees Fan

I blame Kenny Lofton.
Your mom

Girardi should seriously consider swapping CC and Hughes this weekend. Gotta at least win 1 of these games. Nice to know we play 4 at Tampa next week too. This will be a long ass week.
Tut

Tex is morphing into Steve Balboni
- Kostas
  
  dear god, that means the mustache is next…
Matt

Garcia is at 95 pitches and this game is over. Why would you take him out and burn one of your few decent relievers in Wade in this spot? What if you need him for the next 3 days in a row?
- Greg
  
  Who else is there? Girardi was forced to burn the pen yesterday.
  - Matt
    
    Did you even bother to read the first sentence of my post?
    - Greg
      
      Garcia is 3 someodd years old and was doing nothing.
      - Matt
        
        Again, this game is already over. Leave him in there to eat up innings and to save the bullpen after last night’s game. He could have given you at least one more, and then you just throw Mitre in there for the rest of it and DFA him tomorrow morning.
        
        http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
        
        Did you watch the fourth and fifth inning? What makes you think Garcia could get three outs in 15-20 pitches?
        
        Matt
        
        It doesn’t matter. You have to squeeze as many innings out of him as you can after last night’s debacle. I’m not saying to push him to 120 pitches, but 105-110 was certainly reasonable. Every extra out that you can get out of him is one less that the pen has to throw.
        
        http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
        
        One extra out makes negligible difference. That’s ridiculous.
        
        Matt
        
        Or, he could have gone out there and thrown a 10 pitch 1-2-3 inning and saved the pen a bit.
        
        You really don’t know, and this game was pretty much already over at that point. Saving a guy like Wade an additional inning could contribute more to a future win than Garcia’s absence to tonight’s game.
    - Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat
      
      The Yankees have scored 7 runs in a game this year.
      - Matt
        
        Brandon Morrow is in there for at least another inning because they haven’t worked him hard enough in the last few innings. This game is pretty much over.
        
        It’s not “giving up,” it’s being realistic. Why waste useful arms in a game in which their performance can’t make much of a difference? If you were going to bring in Wade, it should have been with the bases loaded and nobody out and the score 3-1. Otherwise, it’s too late.
- Your mom
  
  Should’ve thrown in the ~~Mitre~~ towel.
  - Matt
    
    Should have just brought him in to pitch the 7th and 8th and then DFA. Why waste potentially useful arms in a game which is likely already over?
Tut

Texiera is morphing into Steve Balboni
- Nuke LaDoosh
  
  stop that
Tut

Texiera is becoming Steve Balboni
- Nuke LaDoosh
  
  Tex is not becoming Frank Messer’s boy. Just stop.
Pastadivingarod

Go get ubaldo
Cc
Ubaldo
Burnett
Hughes
Nova
Colon lr
- Kostas
  
  Ulbaldo would get lit up in the AL East. Remember right now he pitches in the NL West. Repeat NL West.
  - Greg
    
    What about Garza?
    - Your mom
      
      What about Felix?????
      - Greg
        
        Garza is attainable unlike Felix.
        
        Your mom
        
        Cash will trade for Felix or Ubaldo.
        
        Your mom
        
        or both
        
        Matt
        
        The Cubs are not going to trade Garza. They are already short on starting pitching, and he is under team control and relatively affordable still.
        
        The Yankees are not getting a front line starter this year, and they shouldn’t try, because the cost is too high. There are too many teams that think they are contenders, and not enough sellers.
        
        The Pirates even are just a game out of first place. Very few teams are looking to dismantle.
        
        Greg
        
        If the Red Sox get Garza, I’m blaming you
        
        FIPster Doofus
        
        I wouldn’t rule out the Yanks getting Jimenez.
        
        Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat
        
        Ninja Cashman
        
        Your mom
        
        ninja boots
        
        CS Yankee
        
        Which would be a great move.
        
        I think he is top 10 pitcher over the last few years…if can’t argue he’s not top 15.
        
        Very likely that;
        a) No one better is available
        b) He can get us on the same page as others come postseason.
        
        Our window is limited somewhat with Jeter & Arod declining skills but staying around; which I understand and agree with for the most part.
  - Pastadivingarod
    
    He shut us down didnt he.
  - FIPster Doofus
    
    Dan Haren also came from the NL West.
  - http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
    
    Based on what? Your imagination? Would be nice if you provided some supporting data.
    - CS Yankee
      
      He’s one of the crazy dozen or so that comment here it seems.
      
      I’m heading home, fight the good fight!
Greg

Jetrer

If Wade gives up runs, your arguement for yesterday is moot
- Jetrer
  
  runs today don’t mean runs yesterday, you can’t possibly argue Logan and Mitre were a better choice than Wade yesterday
Tut

Cmon Tex
LarryM.,Fl.

The whole team looks flat. But, I just can’t justify giving up starts to Garcia when decent young talent ( Nova and Noesi) could be starting. This has nothing to do with the last two games. The Yankees have gotten as much as possible from Colon and Garcia. Colon apprehensive about his hammy then don’t play him. If he believes that it could pop then he should be sitting on the bench or DL.

Its apparent that one of our top prospects will be packing his bags by the end of July as Freddie and Bart continue to throw batting practice.

Now, Wade shows us why he was picked up off the scrape heap.
- Jetrer
  
  “Now, Wade shows us why he was picked up off the scrape heap.”
  
  He’s actually been solid. Give credit where it is do.
- http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
  
  So Garcia gets hit around in his first start and 12 days, and he should be cut?
  - ItsATarp
    
    Yes..perfectly logical
Pastadivingarod

For gods sake dfa mitre bring up romero
- Your mom
  
  DFA Freddy. If we’re gonna lose might as well play the young guys. I’d rather see Warren, Nova, Noesi or Phelps get a shot.
Kostas

I want the 2009 Yankees where come backs were possible. Not this “down by 4+ runs, just get through the game shit”
- Greg
  
  That’s what I’ve been asking for all season.
wow

so glad Cory is in there to keep us in the game.
- Your mom
  
  We’re still in the game?
Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

Gameday says “on field delay” what happened?
- mbonzo
  
  Sprinter.
- Matt
  
  Somebody ran onto the field. YES didn’t show it or discuss it much though other than to acknowledge that it was happening.
first time lawng time

LMAO. Ummm maybe the Yankees should score some runs and their pitchers shouldn’t suck? Hahaha

well, AJ is tomorrow, so one of those things will happen.

Also, call up Nova and put Hughes in the bullpen.
- Greg
  
  I think CC is tomorrow against Romero.
  - first time lawng time
    
    This is the second day in a row this has happened to me.
    
    Where the fuck is AJ? That’s why this team is losing. They need AJ. GET. ME. AJ!!!!!
    - Jetrer
      
      AJ is the fifth starter
- Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat
  
  CC’s tomorrow
Greg

Speaking of the Rays we could be in 3rd by the end of next week. Oh what fun.
- Jetrer
  
  Speaking of the Rays, we could be in 1st by the end of next week. Oh what fun.
  - Greg
    
    True. but looking at the way we’re playing right now…
Mojo

Pedroia and Ellsbury both with 12 HRs? Damn. Even without Crawford, the RS have the best lineup in baseball. Right now their pitching kind of sucks, but honestly, how can anyone see the Yankees beating out the Sox for a World Series trip? Hopefully, and I sincerely do hope, Boston is on an offensive tear that will soon calm down because 1-5, they are as good as I’ve ever seen. Our 1-5, on the other hand, is, more often than not, pretty shitty. Bring on all the scornful remarks but I dare say I speak the truth.
- Greg
  
  THe Phillies are much better than they are. And the NL had home field.
  - CS Yankee
    
    Put down the crack pipe.
    
    The Phillies rule with SP, bats are decent, bullpen blows.
    - Greg
      
      Rumors are swirling that the Phillies are going after Heath Bell.
  - Mojo
    
    Pitching, yes, but offensively the Sox are actually quite scary. I honestly thought that Pedroia was done after last season but I stand very much corrected. Throw in a healthy, “normal” Crawford and this lineup is unstoppable. Hell, even Salty and Varitek contribute, and WTF is with Reddick? Why can they bring up shitty AAAers that over-perform like crazy but we can’t? Like I’ve been advocating ALL season, this team (the Yankees) need a hot, beefy, youth injection. They NEED a young bat in their lineup to spark this shit up, ESPECIALLY without A-Rod. If EVER there were a time for Montero, it is now. I have no doubt about it.
    - Greg
      
      San Fran showed us last year that good pitching beats good hitting.
- Your mom
  
  FUCK BOSTON!!!!!
- Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan
  
  Boston is definitely the better team. All the Yankees need to do is make it into the postseason and hope for some playoff magic. Tis all.
  - Mojo
    
    While I wish to the almighty Mo that I eat crow, this is not the Yankees’ year. The least that I can do/hope is that it’s NOT Boston’s year. I honestly didn’t foresee Garcia and Colon collapsing so soon (if that’s even what’s happening – although Freddy can’t seem to pitch to powerful offenses), but there’s just so much missing with the Yankees. How about a CONSISTENT bat outside of Cano? That would be MARVELOUS! Or maybe a pitcher behind CC . . . And then there’s Teixera. I could an entire treatise about how much dick he sucks in the 3-hole, but I won’t. This team is NOT built for a championship, plain and simple. Gimme Prince Fielder, Jesus, and an Ace-ish pitcher behind Sabathia and THEN I’ll start thinking otherwise, but until such dreams are fulfilled . . . consider me a non-believer amidst the current state of Yankee affairs.
LarryM.,Fl.

Food for thought, Freddie Garcia prior to tonight’s game has a better whip than Ubaldo 1.2+ as opposed to 1.3+. NL West to AL East
Matt

Russell Martin, since May 1st, is hitting .186/.298/.286 (not including tonight’s game).

At some point, it’s going to be tough to continue to play him no matter how good his defense has been.

With A-Rod out for at least a month, they need offense out of their starters, and Martin is a black hole right now in the lineup. No matter how mediocre Montero may be defensively or how “uninterested” he could be in AAA, they should really give him a chance when he comes back off of the DL. Martin is KILLING THEM offensively, and they can’t afford that right now.
- ItsATarp
  
  You know this is one of the few things i agree with you on
- LarryM.,Fl.
  
  Can Montero call a game? Catching has become more of a defensive position and offensive liability.
  - Matt
    
    I don’t know, but the Yankees don’t really have pitchers that hold runners anyway. They have allowed the 5th most stolen bases in the American League, and it seems like a lot of them are off of the pitchers.
    
    Martin’s defense is only so valuable when his on base percentage is higher than his slugging percentage over a 2 1/2 month period. At the very least, you could break him in for 2-3 games a week at catcher (Posada at DH) and 2-3 games per week at DH (Martin catches).
    
    I’m sure that everyone loves Russell Martin, but he is killing them right now. With A-Rod out, they need more offense, and Martin can’t provide much of it.
Kostas

Yep. Yanks have laid down. Pathetic.
ItsATarp

the 2009 yankees never lost 2 games to the blue jays…in fact i don’t remember them losing games at all
- Greg
  
  They went 52-22 in the second half. These Yankees need to go 52 and 20 to match.
  - http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
    
    That is a ridiculously stupid standard to hold them too.
    - Greg
      
      For Yankees fans, it WS or bust every year. Is that not a ridiculously stupid standard as well?
      - http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
        
        Yes. Completely unrealistic. Hard to take you seriously, frankly.
        
        Be competitive every year, which they absolutely are, and whatever happens in the playoffs happens.
  - ItsATarp
    
    why do we have to match them? We make the postseason with 90+ wins is fine by me. the Goal is to win a WS, who cares about comparing regular season record with past teams.
    - Greg
      
      The way we’re playing right now, we’re not a lock to make the postseason.
      - ItsATarp
        
        No team is locked to make the post season right now…We’re still 1.5 games from the Rsox and the third best record in baseball…but by all mean keep panicking
        
        Greg
        
        Its hard to sit through the losing.
        
        ItsATarp
        
        every team loses. Be happy your a fan of a team that usually wins more than loses. By your standard every fan of any other team should have a razor blade to their wrist right now since not many teams have lost less than the yankees.
        
        first time lawng time
        
        Greg, buy a puppy.
        
        What’s wrong if they lose? What will happen to you? You’ll have to hear it from ESPN? No, don’t watch ESPN. Watch Keeping Up with the Kardashians or Teen Mom or Wendy Williams.
        
        Greg
        
        Well, it gives me some self confidence.
        
        ItsATarp
        
        Alcohol is better
        
        Simon
        
        Crack measures up too.
        
        FIPster Doofus
        
        TV show suggestions don’t get any worse than those three.
stuart a

tex is playing like crap. under 240 BA.

martin is down to 214….

there offense is half asleep. spare me the tip the hat routine….
first time lawng time

Mariners, Tigers, Royals, White Sox, Blue Jays, Red Sox.

What do those things have in common? They are all teams who the Yankees have lost or split series to that were sub .500 at the time.
Matt

It’s really telling that only 2 hitters in tonight’s lineup for the Yankees are batting at least .270 (Cano and Nunez). 5 hitters in Boston’s lineup tonight are over that level.

Not one batter in tonight’s starting lineup is hitting over .300 right now. Toronto has 3, Tampa has 1, and Boston has 3.

It’s hard to get hits with RISP when you don’t get that many hits in general. The offense looks an awful lot like last year’s bully bunch. They either all hit or all struggle at the same time. They are such a streaky club at the plate, and it really reflects on their often inconsistent approach.
- Greg
  
  Well Fenway has something to do with that. but your point is noted.
- Jetrer
  
  “They either all hit or all struggle at the same time.”
  
  You mean the opposing pitcher either has a good game or a bad game?
  Wow, that’s earth shattering
  - Matt
    
    No, not even close, but thanks once again for your constructive post.
    
    If this team leaves a bunch of runners on and doesn’t score early, they shut down and don’t score until the 5th or 6th inning. If they get one or two base hits with RISP, the whole lineup jumps on the pile and they score in bunches.
    
    They live and die together. Very rarely do you see 2 or 3 hitters hot with 2 or 3 hitters cold. They are either all hot or all cold. And no, it’s not because of one pitcher when it happens for a week or two at a time.
    - Jetrer
      
      your welcome,
      and the leaving guys on early and then getting shut down is most often due to a good pitcher settling into a groove, like Morrow tonight
      - Matt
        
        Stop arguing for the sake of arguing. Have you watched this team play this year?
        
        Brad Penny is a good pitcher? Vin Mazzaro? Rick Porcello? Carlos Villanueva? Ervin Santana? Doug Davis? Carlos Carrasco (clobbered in his last two starts vs NYY and Tor).
        
        And even if the pitcher is good, it doesn’t mean that he is good on that night. Morrow was excellent tonight. Ubaldo Jimenez a few weeks ago? Not really.
        
        Jetrer
        
        I’m not arguing for the sake of arguing, and I’m not saying that every pitcher that shuts down the Yankees have been great. Weak pitchers do sometimes pitch good games (see Freddy Garcia). Good teams do sometimes struggle offensively. I just think its ridiculous that you are complaining so much about the second best offense in the league.
- Jetrer
  
  and BTW, the Yankees and Red Sox are tied in wRC+ with RISP and only .002 apart and .wOBA, and the Yankees have scored a higher percentage of their baserunners … guess all those .300 hitters aren’t helping the Sox all that much
  - Matt
    
    Are you serious?
    
    The Red Sox lineup is 5 batters deep, FIVE, and they are nearly equal in production to the “vaunted” “circular” Yankees lineup. I’d say that their .300 hitters are helping them quite a LOT, since 3 of those 5 hitters are batting over .300.
    - Jetrer
      
      Who says the Yankee lineup is circular????? Jeter,Martin, Posada. That is no more circular than Boston’s lineup. I’m not saying that those hitter don’t help the Sox, obviously they do. You made a point about it making a big difference with team RISP. I have proven that that is not the case.
      - Matt
        
        You are misinterpreting your own numbers though. The Red Sox 6-9 are simply terrible right now, due to injury and JD Drew.
        
        Their top 5 in the order would blow the Yankees away in most of those categories, even though the Yankees on paper should have just as dynamic a middle of the order. That’s the difference that I am citing. The Yankees are deeper, but not as dangerous because they have more holes in their swings.
        
        Jetrer
        
        I’m not going to continue this, because you keep changing your point every time I prove you wrong. I have better things to do with my time.
        
        Matt
        
        I have not changed my point once in this thread.
        
        The Yankees have underachieved offensively because of a huge decline in the batting averages of key players. The Red Sox have a significantly more dangerous top of the lineup because they are more consistent as a result of hitting for more average.
        
        You have not proven anything in this thread, because you are misusing your own numbers. If the Red Sox are equal in nearly every offensive category, but have horrible hitters in 4 slots in the batting order, then that means that they are SIGNIFICANTLY better at the top of the order than this club. The Yankees on paper should have the hitters to match them, but they aren’t performing.
        
        Jetrer
        
        ‘Not one batter in tonight’s starting lineup is hitting over .300 right now. Toronto has 3, Tampa has 1, and Boston has 3.
        It’s hard to get hits with RISP when you don’t get that many hits in general
        This was the point I was responding too. I proved that the Red Sox having more .300 hitters has not really given them an advantage overall with RISP. Holes in swings and what part of who’s lineup is doing better has nothing to do with the team’s overall RISP production, which is what I was responding to.
        
        Matt
        
        You are really clueless.
        
        You continue to reference a team’s overall numbers, yet you conveniently ignore the fact that the Red Sox numbers are dragged down tremendously by having the worst 6-9 in the entire division, by plenty.
        
        If the Red Sox numbers are virtually identical to the Yankee numbers with almost no contributions from 5-9, that means that their first five hitters are MUCH better than the Yankees. They are more consistent because of their high batting average.
        
        The Red Sox top of the order is far more dangerous than any combination of hitters you could put together from this Yankees lineup. With the game on the line, they are much harder to get out because they have fewer holes in their swings.
        
        The Red Sox ARE a much better team with RISP. The top 5 in their order are murdering pitchers in the clutch at a well above average pace, and their 6-9 are as bad as we expected. The Yankees, on the other hand, are consistently mediocre in those spots outside of Eduardo Nunez and Alex Rodriguez.
        
        Jetrer
        
        Yankees RISP and Red Sox RISP are IDENTICAL in wRC+. Yankees have scored a higher percentage of their baserunners. I’m not arguing that the Red Sox best haven’t been better than the Yankees best. They clearly have been. ALL NINE SPOTS IN THE ORDER DO HAVE TO BAT, so team totals are the only thing that matters. The 6-9 hitters do come up with the game on the line as well. You can’t compare two TEAMS, and completely ignore half of the lineups. And BTW, the Red Sox have better numbers out of the 6 and 9 slots than the Yankees do.
        
        Matt
        
        I am not saying they are a better overall lineup. I’m pointing out that because they have hitters who hit for a higher average, they are scoring just as many runs with a much shallower lineup.
        
        That is why I am telling you that the Yankees are UNDERACHIEVING. The Red Sox have a lineup that is 5 deep and are scoring just as many runs as the Yankees.
        
        The Yankees, on paper, should have hitters capable of matching the numbers of many of their top 5, yet instead of hitting .300, they are hitting .270, or instead of .350, they are hitting .240. The lack of base hits makes you a much streakier team. When you score runs, they tend to come in bunches and on home runs, but if you don’t hit them, you struggle to find other ways to get it done.
        
        Matt
        
        Last sentence of the first post in this thread:
        
        “They are such a streaky club at the plate, and it really reflects on their often inconsistent approach.”
        
        This has been the argument in the entire thread, and is still my argument now.
        
        Low batting average is indicative of more streaky players. Just like how a .500 team may not always look mediocre. Toronto is a .500 team, but on some nights they look like a playoff caliber team, and on others like a last place team. They can still get it done sometimes, but they don’t get it done as often.
        
        Jetrer
        
        I have never said the Yankee lineup is not underachieving, although only a few are, relative to expected performance, you could say Tex(only in avg. though, and he tends to be better in second half anyways) and maybe Martin(really wasn’t expecting much from him this year anyways.
        
        Matt
        
        The hitters in this year’s lineup that I’d argue have underachieved:
        
        Jeter- production still way down, thought he’d bounce back at least a little
        
        Teixeira- Batting average down even more, and was hoping for a bounce back in that department since last year’s was based on his first 2-3 months of horrid performance. He’s become home run or nothing.
        
        A-Rod- Power has been absent as a result of injuries. Given how he started in April with his swing, it’s a huge disappointment.
        
        Cano- Batting average down 20 points from last year, and plate discipline has reverted to pre-2010 levels.
        
        Posada- Horrible start, and not hitting at all from the right side
        
        Swisher- Horrible start, but coming around lately (still, overall numbers are a bit down).
        
        Martin- Triple slash is something like .185/.285/.280 since April. Pretty much a black hole since his one hot streak.
        
        Obviously it depends on your expectations of them, but relative to their careers, these are pretty disappointing seasons.
        
        Matt
        
        And from another one of your posts in this thread:
        
        ““how much the Yankees have underachieved offensively these last few years”
        If having the best offense in baseball over that time period is underachieving, then yes, you are correct sir.”
        
        So yes, you have tried to brush off the underachieving remarks.
        
        Jetrer
        
        Jeter is about where I expected him to be. I think he is in permanent decline.
        Tex – agree on average, everything else has been fine though, hoping he’ll pickup the avg second half.
        ARod – getting old as well, don’t expect him to be dominant or be able to stay healthy, overall he’s actually been a bit better than I expected.
        Swish – Just about back to career avg. wRC+ after horrible start
        Cano – I think last year may have been career best for him. He still has second highest wRC+ of career now.
        Martin – had low expectations, but he has been awful lately, hopefully can bounce back
        Posada – old and adjusting to DH didn’t bode well for him this year
  - Matt
    
    When you see what the Red Sox top of the order has done this year, it really shows you how much the Yankees have underachieved offensively these last few years.
    
    Teixeira, A-Rod, and Cano could be just as dynamic as Gonzalez, Youkilis, and Ortiz, but 2 of those 3 hitters have seen a significant decline in batting average this season which has made them much less dangerous.
    - Jetrer
      
      “how much the Yankees have underachieved offensively these last few years”
      If having the best offense in baseball over that time period is underachieving, then yes, you are correct sir.
      - Matt
        
        Just because they were the best last year doesn’t mean they couldn’t have been better.
        
        Teixeira had a horrible first half, A-Rod had a mediocre year until September, Jeter was hitting .260 into September, Granderson was useless until August, Posada hit .200 for a 3 month stretch in the middle of the season… Do I need to keep going?
        
        Yes, they scored a lot of runs, but do you really think that they couldn’t have done more given how many players had down years? All of those down years at the same time are the difference between the 2010 streaky type offense and a more consistent 2009 type club.
        
        Jetrer
        
        “Just because they were the best last year doesn’t mean they couldn’t have been better.”
        Really! You don’t say!
        You can say that about any team, any time, any year. No team has every player have a career year in one season.
        
        Matt
        
        What are you talking about?
        
        The Yankees had 5 players with career WORST seasons last year, and 2 of those 5 players were under 30 and still in their primes.
        
        With the talent that they had, they could have been a GREAT offensive club, but they were merely GOOD because of having many off seasons at the same time. They definitely underachieved, and I don’t understand how you continue to miss this obvious point.
        
        Jetrer
        
        ummm, not to let facts get in the way or anything, but the only regulars with career worst years last year (overall offense, not just BA, I’m using wOBA, which is much more indicative of offensive value) were ARod and Jeter, both older players in decline
        
        Matt
        
        You are seriously trying to lecture me on offensive performance? Where have I said that batting average is the most important measure of production? I’m pointing out that a decline in batting average with little change in the other levels of production is indicative of a decline in CONSISTENCY.
        
        And if we want to look at numbers, how about we try using wRC+, which adjusts for the league average:
        
        A-Rod- 124 in 2010, 144 in 2009 (2010 was worst year since 1997)
        
        Teixeira- 127 in 2010, 142 in 2009 (2010 was worst year since 2006, and only worse season was his first year in the bigs)
        
        Granderson- 113 in 2010, Only worse season since 2006 was his 102 in 2009.
        
        Jeter- 95 in 2010, 135 in 2009, worst year of career other than his 15 games in 1995
        
        4 key cogs in the lineup had pretty down years in 2010, and 2 of them were in the primes of their careers still.
        
        Jetrer
        
        You just said 5 had career worst years and then follow up the rebuttal by pointing out it was only 1. Nice. From 5 having career worst to 4 having down years. Glad you take the time to check your facts before you post. And wRC+ is based on wOBA. I only used wOBA to show exact production, not production relative to the league.
        
        Matt
        
        The fifth players (Posada) only didn’t see that kind of decline because of his insane April numbers. From May 1st on, Posada hit .237/.351/.422, which is a pretty down performance by his standards. In March/April he had a 177 wRC+, and was far below that for the rest of the season.
        
        And when I said “career worst” season, I wasn’t obviously being 100% literal in that remark. The declines for many of these players were TREMENDOUS, and represented some of the worst seasons that these players have had in their careers.
        
        Jeter went from one of the best offensive players in the league to below average. Teixeira and A-Rod saw their performance decline by 20 percentage points relative to the league average (aka the difference between Granderson and Jeter last year).
        
        Granderson’s numbers were also significantly bolstered by the last month of the season. Through August 31st, he was hitting .248/.315/.432.
        
        The key was also the lack of consistency. Teixeira was non-existent for the first 2.5 months of last season, which hurt the lineup a lot during that stretch. You can get to the same level of production in many ways, and it would have been more valuable to spread it around.
        
        Matt
        
        On the same point, consider that Posada and Granderson were also nonexistent for a few months in the middle of the season.
        
        The streakiness, on top of the diminished overall production, made the lineup a lot weaker than it should have been last season.
ItsATarp

Girardi decides to end the game early
- Greg
  
  Its 6-1, the game is virtually over.
Monteroisdinero

You can run on the Yanks, you can get Tex out with changeups and you can get Cano to swing at almost any pitch that doesn’t hit him. Properly done-Yanks very beatable. Also, once Mitre warms up, you can enjoy your efforts!

I agree it is time for some youth and energy. Montero and Golson will be fine.
- FIPster Doofus
  
  Properly done – every team is very beatable.
Rockstar4Life

So nice to have Mitre back. He loves to bring the lulz.
James A

Whatever photos Mitre has of Girardi, they’ve got to be pretty bad. I’m talking coke, hookers, like end of the Hangover photos. It’s the only explanation
- Sergio Mitre
  
  Shhh…nobody’s supposed to know that.
- Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan
  
  Perhaps my new favorite comment?
Crime Dog

I hope this is the last we’ve seen of The Experience. I understand he’s the 25th man and all, but man you can’t tell me Buddy Carlyle can’t do better. Or maybe we’d all rather see a 2nd lefty take that spot in Romero. But man, this is brutal
Greg

We could trade Martin (and other prospects) to Colorado for Jimenez and open the door for Motero
- FIPster Doofus
  
  Because Colorado would totally do that.
  - Greg
    
    Depends on the other prospects.
    - Jetrer
      
      why would they want Martin??
      - Greg
        
        Good point. Just throwing out suggestions.
    - Crime Dog
      
      If they’re trading Ubaldo they’re gonna want cost controlled guys. And the Yankees top prospect. All starts with Montero
  - IRF
    
    Martin, Jorge Vazquez, Yeicock, Krum, and Igawa.
    
    Make it happen Cash
- Crime Dog
  
  IPK+Melky!
- http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
  
  Colorado already has two good catchers.
  - Greg
    
    Iannetta has been a disappointment and alonzo is a backup
    - http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
      
      Yeah, Chris Iannetta and his .373 OBP has been a real disappointment.
    - FIPster Doofus
      
      Iannetta > Martin.
  - Crime Dog
    
    I’ll take one Ianetta.
    780 OPS outta the Catchers spot is nice huh?
Cuso

M.A., Your opinion?

Is this team too “veteran” or too “above” having a closed-door meeting, reaming-out by Girardi?

I know we’ve all said they served little purpose, but strategically timed may have value?

(p.s. I’m not asking trolls opinions)
- http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
  
  Am I M.A.?
  - Cuso
    
    yessir
- Pasqua
  
  I’m no “M.A.,” but why would he be inclined to do that two games into the second half, AND following a pretty good stretch of baseball leading up to the All-Star Break?
  
  I would think teams are allowed to suck lose a couple before the manager turns to lighting a fire under their asses or reaming them out, ugly losses or not.
  - Cuso
    
    i know thats the natural inclination. but :
    
    1) they were cruddy going into the break
    2) they’re not necessarily ‘slumping,’ right now. it’s more ‘sloppy’ & poor ‘plate approaches
    3) if I were Girardi I’d be a little concerned about the “we’ll pick it up when A-Rod gets back mentality
    4) completely different team, but Torre did it with a1-3 team in the 4th game of the season inn 98
    
    I thik that if anyone OTHER than CC was starting tomorrow it would happen.
    
    Furttherrmore, iff CC loses tomorrow & the Yanks play crappy, i think it will happen.
Ryan

I can’t believe the equipment manager keeps screwing up and giving Mitre a baseball glove instead of his personalized white flag.
Simon

Right when we needed it….
IRF

Those rowdy Canadians are at it again.
Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

another on field delay? another fan on the field?
Crime Dog

Let’s see CC put up a patented ace performance tomorrow. Save the ledge-jumpers. Maybe Cashman will get serious about getting a starter after this. Dempster would be the safest bet I’d say
Crime Dog

The guys running on the field are smart. They think, hey, if Mitres on the field I belong there too
- Mojo
  
  Hahahahahahaha!
- bonestock94
  
  LOL
Mojo

Only 2 batters over .270 – Now THAT is a Championship caliber lineup. BRAVISIMO!
- https://twitter.com/#!/TheRealJeromeS Jerome S.
  
  OBP >>>> BA
  
  And last time I checked, there were three. Granderson, A-Rod and Cano. But a bunch more in the .260’s with high OBP’s, which you conviently left out.
  - Mojo
    
    Okay . . . Now compare that to the Red Sox lineup, which you CONVENIENTLY left out, by the way. You also CLEARLY forgot to mention that Meryl Streep is a two time Academy Award winner. Also, you failed to recall the little tidbit about the Magna Carta being written in 1215. HOW DARE YOU! And I can’t believe you neglected that South Sudan is now a COUNTRY!!! OMG!
  - Matt
    
    On the whole, yes, but you are a much streakier club when you hit for a low batting average. Many of the hitters in this lineup have seen their averages drop over nearly 50 points in the last few years, which is why they are relying more and more on the home run to score.
    
    They are still a pretty good offensive club, but not necessarily a dominant one anymore. Hitters such as Teixeira and Jeter have many more holes in their swings now than a few years ago. When pitchers are attacking your lineup more, it also affects your ability to draw walks.
    - https://twitter.com/#!/TheRealJeromeS Jerome S.
      
      In case you haven’t noticed, offense around the league has crashed.
      - Matt
        
        In 2009 they were 2nd in the AL in batting average. In 2010 they were 7th. This year, they are 6th.
        
        Even in a down league, they have still slipped relative to their peers in terms of getting base hits.
        
        The tremendous declines in batting average of key players such as Teixeira and Jeter has likely been a major factor in the inconsistency of the lineup at times.
http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

I hope Gardner gets his hand stepped on next time he does that.
- mike c
  
  why? he might be one of the only MLB players that could have gotten to first on that hit
mike c

killer AB by gardner
nunez fan

Where’s the Nunez haters now? Yeah, that’s what I thought. And bring up Montero please.
- mike c
  
  I don’t hate him, I just hate the way he fields his positions
45yearyanksfan

can someone tell me why sabathia did not start on 4 days rest?
Pastadivingarod

Cervelli is just a waste on the bench need to upgrade catcher and martin needs days off.
Mojo

Okay . . . Now compare that to the Red Sox lineup, which you CONVENIENTLY left out, by the way. You also CLEARLY forgot to mention that Meryl Streep is a two time Academy Award winner. Also, you failed to recall the little tidbit about the Magna Carta being written in 1215. HOW DARE YOU! And I can’t believe you neglected that South Sudan is now a COUNTRY!!! OMG! Blow me?
- Mojo
  
  Reply FAIL!!!
- ItsATarp
  
  Who gives a fuck
  - Mojo
    
    Barbara Streisand, that’s who! Barbara FUCKING Streisand GIVES A FUCK!
    - ItsATarp
      
      I say that shit just clownin’ dog. C’mon, how fucked up is you? You got some issues Stan. I think you need some counseling, to help your ass from bouncing off the walls when you get down some.
      - Mojo
        
        Did I quote something without knowing it? I’m not sure. For some reason BS just popped up in my head. It seems you responded with a quote of your own!
        
        ItsATarp
        
        just like you i’ve decided to type the first thing that came into my mind.
        
        Tacos
        
        Mojo
        
        Eminem?
        
        ItsATarp
        
        that that time yes. Right now i really want some tacos
paul a

ok the colon -garcia thing was nice while it lasted. now its time to go out and get some real pitching.
Yanksfan

I am incredibly tired of Tex. I don’t get how he gets this free pass with his complete inability to hit good pitching.

I am the last person in the world to defend A-Rod, but if A-rod had had this kind of of performance in his first few years, he would get absolutely roasted, whereas Tex skates by and people point to his obp and good glove.

Tex is a good player overall, absolutely. He is NOT an elite player and he is NOT a three hitter for a supposedly elite team. His swing is absolutely the same every single time, no matter what the pitch and no matter what the circumstance. He is just not a three hitter.

enough already with him…PLEASE move him down to the five hole and expect Tino-like production. Nothing wrong with Tino-like production, but it is what it is.

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