Grandy & Garcia get Yankees a win over Rays


This one had all the feel of Tuesday’s loss. The Yankees scored two runs early on a homerun, didn’t add to the lead, then all of a sudden some defensive miscues in the seventh made it look like the lead was in jeopardy. They escaped this jam and did end up tacking on a few runs late, leading to a relatively uneventful 4-0 win.

Everyone's watching it go out.

Curtis Granderson Is Better Than You

The Grandyman has been grand all season, but you know what? It had been a while since he took a lefty deep. A month and a half in fact, which I chronicled in this post last week. Granderson put an end to that homerless drought in the very first inning, clobbering a 1-2 hanging slider from David Price into the right field seats for a two-run shot. Derek Jeter had led the game off with a single one batter earlier. Those were ultimately all the runs the Yankees would need thanks in part to Curtis’ running catch that ended the fifth. Tampa had men on second and third at the time, and Evan Longoria really put a charge into the ball. Granderson went back on caught it on the run, crashing into the wall shortly after the catch. The wall survived.

It was just another game in the life of the Yankees’ best player, who’s been hitting homers and making spectacular grabs all season long. That was his tenth homer off a lefty this season, the most in baseball and twice as many as any other left-handed batter in the AL. Two of those homers have come off Price, who has given up just four homers to lefties in his career (the other two came from Chase Utley and Jacoby Ellsbury). Granderson hit 11 homers off lefties from 2008-2010 combined. Think about that.

It’s worth noting that Curtis has taken a bit of a beating during the last two games; he fouled a ball off his leg on Tuesday then in this game he a) fouled another ball off his leg, b) crashed into the outfield wall making that catch, and c) took a Price fastball to the back, right on the 4 in 14. Poor guy probably sat in an ice bath for an hour after the game. Don’t be surprised if he gets the series finale off, they’ve played a ton of games on turf lately and he’s got to be sore.

Ugly hacks all night.

Freddy Sez: No Sweat!

One day towards the end of the season we’ll have a Freddy Garcia Appreciation Thread, and it will be glorious. The offseason afterthought tossed up yet another quality start, his 12th in 17 starts. He put two men on base in the first, third, fifth, and seventh innings, but wiggled out of the jam each time (he did get some help in the seventh, but more on that in a bit). Garcia struck out seven and walked zero in 6.2 IP, even getting 13 swings and misses (out of 92 pitches). That’s his third highest total of the season. Eight hits and three ground outs to ten air outs is kinda scary, but I’ve stopped caring about the process with Freddy (and Bartolo Colon, to an extent). I really don’t care how he does it anymore, he’s been defying the odds all season and has done more than anyone expected. Bravo, Freddy. Keep fighting the good fight.

Eduardo Scissorhands

No man's land.

Eduardo Nunez‘s evil twin made an appearance in this game. Sean Rodriguez started the seventh inning off by laying down a bunt that appeared to be heading foul, and it did. Except Nunez ran right by the ball and didn’t bother to pick it up in foul territory. The ball kept rolling and eventually bumped into third base, which means it’s a fair ball. A rookie mistake, yes. But good grief. Nunez also bobbled the ground ball that would have been the third out of the inning, putting the tying run on base. He bobbled the ball literally three times on the same play. Neither play came back to hurt them, but sheesh. The kid is a rolling blooper reel on defense.

HowEVA, let’s give Nunez some props for driving in a pair of big insurance runs in the top of the ninth. Nick Swisher and Russell Martin both walked after a Robinson Cano ground out, then moved over on Chris Dickerson‘s ground out. Cesar Ramos fell behind Nunez 3-0, and the Yankees’ temporary third baseman did what he was supposed to do and took two pitches. Unfortunately both were strikes. The 3-2 fastball caught a little too much of the plate, and Nunez fisted it out to shallow right, a two RBI bloop. T’was a fine piece of hitting to cap off the night.


The Yankees have been running all over the recently called up Robinson Chirinos. They’re 11-for-12 in stolen base attempts in the first three games of the series, and frankly not too many of them were particularly close plays. Jeter and Brett Gardner each swiped a base in this game while Nunez stole two. Granderson got thrown out though. Should probably also mention that Chirinos is the third Ray to make his big league debut in this series. Alex Torres (Monday’s losing pitcher) and Dane De La Rosa (threw part of the eighth and part of the ninth in this game) are the others.

Call me an optimist, but it looks like Martin and Mark Teixeira have been making better contact of late, no? The Russtache did not have a hit in this game but he drove a ball to the warning track in his first at-bat (just like his last at-bat in Tuesday’s game) and lined another pitch to third later on. Teixeira doubled to right, the second time he’s done that in as many games. He has three hits in his last seven plate appearances, two of which are the doubles. Small sample flukes, or a positive sign? Let’s hope for the best.

Mr. Gardner reached base two more times, once on an infield single that involved Price dodging a broken bat, and once on a walk. Unfortunately Jeter ended the inning as the next batter both times, once with a double play. Swisher had two hits and a walk as well, and the only Yankee not to reach base was Cano. He had one seriously ugly at-bat against Price, swinging at three straight fastballs at eye-level. He would have kept swinging at that pitch if they gave him ten strikes.

The bullpen was perfect, Boone Logan relieved Garcia and struck out Casey Kotchman to end that seventh inning jam, then David Robertson and Mariano Rivera each followed with two strikeout perfect inning. Those three needed just 35 pitches to record seven outs, which is pretty impressive considering all the whiffs. Robertson, by the way, mowed right through Longoria, Matt Joyce, and B.J. Upton on nothing but fastballs. Not a single curve or changeup. He’s just showing off now. Joyce, by the way, struck out in all four at-bats.

Last, but certainly not least, congrats to Hideki Matsui. He hit his 168th big league homerun on Wednesday night, which gives him 500 for his career between Japan and MLB. A hundred and forty of those dingers came in pinstripes. Here’s the video.

WPA Graph, Box Score & Standings

MLB.com has the box score and video, FanGraphs the nerdy stuff, and ESPN the up-to-the-minute standings.

Up Next

One more game at the Trop, then it’s back to the Bronx. CC Sabathia will give it a go against Jamie Shields on Thursday night. The Yankees have already clinched a split of the four-game set, but it’s time to get greedy and win the series.

Categories : Game Stories


  1. Jerome S. says:

    …which I chronicled in this post last week.

    And what a post it was, IIRC. #ThatOneGuy #HahvahdLawyer

  2. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Love it when those WPA graphs never go above (below?) 50%.

  3. mbonzo says:

    Great win. Granderson needs the day off tomorrow, especially behind CC. I’m starting to get the feeling that Tropicana is a very pitcher friendly field, it seems that all pitchers here turn to gold.

    Also, for those still looking at MLB.TV Premium for the rest of the year, there is a special offer right now for $25. Its supposed to be $75 right now, kicking myself for buying it at $125. https://secure.mlb.com/enterworkflow.do?flowId=commerce.cart.noUpfrontRegisPurchase&campaignCode=MLBTV_ANNU_DISC_CMPGN&voucherCode=MLBTV_ANNU_DISC_VOCHR&keepWfParams=true&c_id=mlb&sku=1001107599999910221101000&partnerId=ed-5046014-212953110

    • Anchen says:

      It’s played as a pitcher’s park before but never to the extreme it has this year. I think I saw that it’s been near petco like this year.

  4. Xstar7 says:

    Uhhh Mike,toyu know that CC Sabathia is the Yankees best player right?

    • Xstar7 says:


      goddamn auto correct

    • mbonzo says:

      If Sabathia could pitch every day… If we’re talking about talents at their job I am gonna say Mo is the best. CC is absurdly good but Grandy has been the MVP of the Yankees.

      • Xstar7 says:

        I meant this season. Grandy is definitely the Yankees best position player by far, but I don’t want to know where this team would be without CC. Also CC has a 5.1 fWAR so far to Grandy’s 4.7. (I know it’s not the end-all stat and it’s difficult to compare starting pitchers and position players with it but still just take that into consideration.)

    • Rainbow Connection says:

      A person that is too fat/lazy to cover 1B and doesn’t play offense can’t possibly be the best player on any team.

  5. Charlie says:

    Excellent write-up tonight

  6. Rainbow Connection says:

    Remember when everyone was panicking about Freddie and Bartolo last week?

    • Jerome S. says:

      Nope, they’re officially good for the rest of the season and we have no need for additional pitching.

    • Xstar7 says:


      /cliff jumpers from last week’d

      • first time lawng time says:

        I miss Nova. Not gonna lie. However, that has more to do with him being one of my favorites than Colon and Garcia.

        • Xstar7 says:

          Both Colon and Garcia have pitched better than Nova. What’re you gonna do?

        • Jerome S. says:

          This isn’t really directed at you, but I’d like to take this opportunity to make a big WTF at all the Nova love. Nova’s been decent… but need I remind you all that he has been terrible at times? Also that he is basically at his ceiling at this point.

          • first time lawng time says:

            Me liking him doesn’t have much to do with the way he’s pitched per se. I just like to root for him because he’s young and no one really cares for him. Also, he seems cool. I like the way he carries himself.

            Just my personal opinion of why I like him.

            • Jerome S. says:

              Again, not really directed at you. Just a general WTF. I saw a horrendous thread of comments at Fangraphs of someone saying that Nova>Hughes, and judging by what I see hear sometimes, I suspect many people may believe the same sort of thing.

              • first time lawng time says:

                Yeah. Well, speaking for myself, I don’t think he’s better than Hughes in terms of level of talent, but I personally don’t like Hughes at all.

                Just my personal opinion.

                • Jerome S. says:

                  You’re a funny person, FTLT.

                  • Gonzo says:

                    I am not defending that argument, but it’s not like Hughes has outperformed Nova in all aspects as a starter. Of course, this is not taking out his horrendous beginning of the year, but take a lookie.

                    Hughes as a starter:
                    337 IP, 4.91 ERA, tOPS+ 110

                    Nova as a starter:
                    127.2 IP, 4.30 ERA, tOPS+ 97

            • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

              “…and no one really cares for him…”

              So that’s why you like AJ. amiright?

              • first time lawng time says:


                There are guys on this team that either people I know, commenters here, the media, or some combination of those three hate. AJ is one of them. Same with Nova. For those guys, I like to root for them because everyone else hates them. I prefer to root for them, because I like to see them succeed and defy the haters. When you pot for them, you can take positives from their performances.

                With AJ, for example, most people here hate him. But when all you do is hate, you are blind to the positives and all you see s what you want to see: failure. As long as you can continue to see failure, you can justify the hate (not that people here want o see him fail, just that people ignore positives.

                It’s easy to root for the superstars like CC and Cano. That’s why I prefer to root or players who tbs to struggle. It gives me greater perspective.

                • first time lawng time says:

                  Root not pot

                  tend not tbs

                  Typing fail

                • Kiko Jones says:

                  Big fan of AJ and Nova. And the two of them seemed to have developed a bond of sorts. Hope to see Nova up here soon enough.

                  • MannyGeee says:

                    a terrific bond between two pitchers and their uphill quest to string together a run of quality starts.

                    queue music and shopping/makeover montage…

          • YankeesJunkie says:

            Agreed, Nova has held his own as a back end starter in the AL East which is impressive in itself. However, the lack of strikeouts and the mediocre walk rate really limit his ceiling and he is unlikely to become significantly better.

          • JobaWockeeZ says:

            He’s AJ Burnett at a fraction of the cost. No harm in that.

          • Hank says:

            Hughes is now a 2 pitch pitcher who throw a straight as an arrow 4 seam fastball at 91mph (unless you count that cutter which if never throws again to a lefty it will be too soon). Until he commits to a changeup, he’ll probably never be more than a #4/5 at his current 91mph velocity. He just won’t be able to finish hitters off with his current stuff.

            People fell in love with Hughes 18wins…. but even throwing 93 his XFIP in 2010 was pretty much the same as Nova 2011 (and it was above 4 in every month but one, so it wasn’t just this “he tailed off in the 2nd half” effect that everyone likes to cling to). While Nova strikes out less people, he’s also not an extreme flyball pitcher which basically compensates for it.

            I think whichever of the 2 figure out the need for a 3rd pitch and show a commitment to throw a changeup will have the higher upside. I think the Yankees player development organization should be embarrassed for not having these guys throw more changeups in the minors (if for no other reason to figure out they can’t throw one and just abandon it altogether) and continue to let these guys graduate with 2 pitches thinking that’s enough to be an effective starter in the bigs.

            While I don’t think Nova is a better starter at this point, unless Hughes gets back to 93-94 or starts throwing a 2seamer of changeup to compensate for the lower velocity, I think Nova may actually have more upside long term.

            • Monteroisdinero says:

              Agree. Hughes with more talent, Nova with more pitches and a better changeup. AJ needs to throw 2 changeups in the first inning of every start. He should then throw it twice in every inning. Give batters something else to think about. Love DRob’s changeup which makes him unhittable essentially.

            • Ted Nelson says:

              “People fell in love with Hughes 18wins…”

              He won 18 games in 2010. He was the #4 prospect in baseball according to BA pre-2007. Not sure it was the 18 wins that got people excited about Hughes.

    • David, Jr. says:

      3.21 ERA. Not bad at all.

  7. Brooklyn Ed says:

    I wonder if Girardi will actually play Laird tomorrow, or just let him rot on the bench for the 3rd straight day?

  8. teddy says:

    martin sure, haven’t seen teix hit well from the left side

  9. Bleuboy says:

    Blooper reel to real blooper!

    FWIW: Sterling and Susan said Robertson showed Joyce all his pitches in striking him out in the eighth; what does pitch fx say?

  10. Drew says:

    Giaradi actually did the right thing tonight by taking out Freddy in the 7th when he was facing Kotchman with runners in scoring position. He owned him all night, Nunez should of had that ball though, my God is he awful on defense. Please get well soon Alex.

    • Kiko Jones says:

      Nuñez is the new Thames…w/ less power. Yikes!

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      Nunez’s respectable performance on the offensive side has been completely wiped out by his horrendous defense. He needs to take time off and work on his throwing because at this point his defense makes him a below replacement level player. Would be nice to see Laird play a few games too not like I expect some huge improvement from one player to another.

      • Rick in Boston says:

        I’m not sure time off is the answer to Nunez’s defensive struggles. We knew he was going to struggle with it, just as he did throughout most of his minor league career.

        • Sayid J. says:

          Well, all the playing time hasn’t really seemed to help Nunez either. He truly is awful in the field. I really don’t think I’ve ever seen a worse fielder in my years of watching baseball. I don’t mean that to be hyperbole, I just really do not remember anyone ever being so consistently bad in the field.

          • smurfy says:

            I disagree that the playing time doesn’t help. He has a bad case of trying so hard, shaky confidence:nerves. It’s getting better, he makes some clean plays. He has good reflexes, and a super strong throwing arm = potential. Where he got in trouble last night was the two plays in quick succession: he was still thinking (suffering) from his judgement error on the bunt when the bouncer at the limit of his considerable range taxed that weak nerve. Stick with him, and he will smooth out.

          • Ted Nelson says:

            Did you never see Knoblauch when he struggled? Giambi? Posada last season? On the Yankees alone there are some examples.

            The errors kill him and do make him a bad defender, but outside of the bad throws (which is a big thing) he’s actually not a bad defender. His range is solid. He’s been awful this season, but he only had 10 Es in 101 games at SS last season in AAA. It’s not a lost cause I wouldn’t say… though it’s obviously a big problem.

  11. dkidd says:

    “no man’s land” is the prettiest screen grab yet. well cropped!

  12. Oscar Gamble's Fro says:

    I hate the “rookie mistake” line of reasoning when one is talking about professionals. The guys has presumably played baseball since little league or whatever and if he was a high school senior, college senior, or minor league vet, he’s completely expected to make that play based on his “experience.” It’s inexcusable stupidity by someone whose baseball IQ is apparently lower than his body temperature.

    • Rick in Boston says:

      This. Baseball is the one sport where “rookie mistakes” should not exist.

      • Mike Axisa says:

        That is hilariously incorrect. There’s a learning curve for everything in life.

        • Sayid J. says:

          Hilariously incorrect? Nunez might be a rookie in the MLB, but he’s been playing baseball his whole life. Touching the ball when it rolls foul is pretty elementary in terms of baseball strategy.

          Sure, there’s a learning curve in the MLB. You need time to learn how to adjust to MLB pitching and other pieces of the lifestyle, such as the travel. But basic errors of baseball strategy shouldn’t be passed off as a rookie mistake.

          • Rick in Boston says:

            Exactly. Mike, I usually agree with you, but there’s no way Nunez has made it to the majors without having to have faced that situation.

            • Eduardo Nuñez played 636 games in the minor leagues.

              600 of those 636 were at shortstop.

              I’d say it’s actually exceedingly likely that Eduardo Nuñez has made it to the majors without having face the situation of “As a third baseman, what should I do with a baseball slowly rolling up the third base foul-line?” since he has barely played any 3B in his life.

              Eduardo Nuñez was signed as an amateur shortstop. He’s been groomed throught the minors as a shortstop. The overwhelming majority of his playing time has been as a shortstop.

              I understand perfectly if he makes a rookie mistake while playing out of position at third base. He’s training on the job.

              • Rainbow Connection says:

                For $200 million that shouldn’t be happening.

                • Jim S says:

                  You do realize that A-Rod is injured, yes? Who would you have us play at 3rd? What magic awesome Free Agent would have agreed to be our 3RD STRING 3B coming into the year?


                • $200M gives you ARod, Tex, CC, Granderson, Swisher, Cano, and Rivera as opposed to Wilson Betemit, Lyle Overbay, Kyle Davies, Nyjer Morgan, Will Venable, Nick Punto, and Frank Francisco.

                  $200M does not give you the magical ability to give a lifetime’s worth of experience at third base to your backup infielder who has spent his whole life at shortstop.

                  Your response is quite frankly the single dumbest comment on this board today. Congrats.

              • Rick in Boston says:

                Shouldn’t he have paid attention to the guys he’s played with? I mean, we’re nitpicking here as the play didn’t end up hurting the Yanks, but Nunez should know the rules of the game, and should have picked up something along the way over those 636 games of the minors to know that if a ball kicks foul, you should pick it up.

                • Rick in Boston says:

                  I should use “should” less.

                • Jim S says:

                  But doing something like that in the context of a game requires instincts, not just knowledge. I’m 100% sure Nunez knows the right thing to do, but it’s not natural for him to have to react that way.

                  Yeesh and I’ve been as critical of his D as anyone, but I can’t call him an idiot for that mistake last night.

                  • That. Knowing the correct theory is only half of it, you have to take that theory and combine it with repetition and trial and error to make it a natural, instinctive reaction.

                  • Rick in Boston says:

                    I never called him an idiot. I just don’t think a “rookie mistake” should ever be used as a defense for someone getting paid 400k to do something he’s been training to do since he was a teenager.

                    • And we agree with you. The problem is, he hasn’t been training to do that since he was a teenager. He’s been training to be a big league shortstop since he was a teenager, he hasn’t been training to cover the 3B foul line since about a month ago.

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      I would say that both sides have a point here (at least you and tommie and Jerome… some earlier comments were a little more out there). There is a learning curve, and we should expect rookies and/or someone playing a new position to make more mistakes than veterans. That’s just life, as Mike and tommie and Jerome have been saying. At the same time, the line between “rookie mistake” and just plain “mistake” is hard to see. Maybe impossible. Yankees have had great players all over the place for a while now, but all baseball players are going to make some mistakes. Nunez certainly have been making more than his fair share of mistakes even for a rookie learning a new position. I don’t think people should allow their frustration over that to cloud their rationality. Every mistake he makes might not be explained by his rookie-ness, but every mistake he makes doesn’t mean the sky is falling either. Some commenters here seem to indicate that the sky is falling.

              • Ted Nelson says:

                But… But… But… he’s not perfect and every single player on the team I root for should be perfect. Every single time something goes wrong with the team I root for I will blame it on the players, coaches, and FO… because they should be infallible and all-powerful. I will question their intelligence and pretend like every single thing they’ve ever done was wrong. I will usually assume that they know far less about baseball and their jobs than I do. I will ignore context. I will ignore the difficult task with which they were charged. I will ignore their overall results. I will blow marginal considerations out of proportion and assign an inordinate amount of importance to them.

                Personally I am much more worried about the mistakes resulting from the education system and society in general that lead to some of these comments than about the Yankees’ mistakes.

              • Oscar Gamble's Fro says:

                Well, that would be dumb, Teddie.

                I’m certain that about 99% college shortstops are aware of what needs to be done there just by being on a baseball field for most of their life and watching what the guy right next to them is doing. I was watching the game and saying he should pick up the ball and I haven’t played organized baseball since the 6th grade. Announcers know it, fans know it, people who watch the game know it and a guy who’s a paid professional that has played the infield his whole life doesn’t know it because he’s a rookie and that’s not his position? That’s laughably stupid, Teddie.

          • Rainbow Connection says:


            • Jim S says:

              No, not this. Nunez is a SS playing 3rd. Shortstops don’t have to contend with the foul line. It might be basic baseball knowledge to follow and pick up that ball, but instincts are developed through repetition, something Nunez has had nearly none of at 3B.

        • Rick in Boston says:

          A learning curve and a rookie mistake are two different things. Neither of them cover basic baseball strategy. A 10-year old knows to pick up that ball.

          • Ted Nelson says:

            It’s possible that 99 out of 100 times or 999 out of 1,000 time or only 9 out of 10 time Nunez would have picked up the ball, and this was just the one time he didn’t. Until we see more evidence, it’s two small a sample to know. I’m pretty sure that if you asked Nunez what to do in that situation he’d give you the correct response. Everyone makes mistakes. Nunez more than most fielders. However, one occurrence doesn’t mean he knows nothing about baseball. Most of his mistakes are poor throws, which I really don’t think have anything to do with baseball IQ… pretty sure he know he’s supposed to aim for the 1B and just misses due to some combination of mental and mechanical flaws.

  13. Deadhorse25 says:

    Great win by the Yankees… Here’s a question for you guys, Inge has been DFA, and while he’s having a horrible year would you take a chance on him, he can play 3rd with Nunie until Arod comes back, plus he is a versatile player and would be a better backup C than Cervelli. Maybe a change of scenery would be the best for him, what do you guys think, he most likely come super cheap

    • Phife Dawg says:

      Inge is finished. Laird and Nunez are both better than him anyway.

      • Damix says:

        I was going to say it wasn’t going to be a bad pick up then I looked at his #’s this year. Damn, he is finished.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      I think it’s a good thought. I doubt he’s just “done.” Has had mono so right there that might be a partial explanation. I don’t know his status. I certainly wouldn’t make a wavier claim to pick up that salary (doubt anyone would), but if the Tigers are just outright cutting him he’d be worth a look on a MiLB deal. Would probably amount to nothing with A-Rod and Chavez coming back and he might have more attractive teams to sign with. I don’t know about it as a short-term play with A-Rod out, since I’m assuming something is wrong with him and he might need time… but maybe the Yankees feel all he needs is to play and he can help immediately. Who knows?

  14. David, Jr. says:

    Continued awesome play by the outfield. Hits, home runs, stolen bases, spectacular catches. Nothing more you can do on a baseball field.

  15. Tarik says:

    “Nunez fisted it out to shallow right?” I didn’t know Chip Caray was a contributing writer to RAB.

  16. Monteroisdinero says:

    So what is Jeter hitting if you take out the first inning/1st ab where he is very good? Gotta be super low after the first ab.

    • David, Jr. says:

      He has hardly done anything. A few singles, grounders, routine plays.

      Try to visualize this: “The Yankees were ignited last night by Derek Jeter, who hit a two run home run and a bases loaded double.”.

    • Ana says:

      Answer is pretty well in the 4th, but the first time through is definitely his strongest point.

      Also, is there a more dumbass method of comparison/argument than “take out the times he does well and see how bad he is”? Been seeing it w/Jeter all year, saw it w/Gardner when he was slumping… jeez louise, people.

      • Jim S says:

        I think we should take out all the times he does badly and see how awesome he is. Or take out all the times he’s performed average-ly and see how streaky he is. This is a fun game!

        • Ana says:

          Hey Jim, did you know that if you take out every inning except the 8-run first against the Jays, Bartolo Colon is the worst pitcher ever?

      • first time lawng time says:

        Also, is there a more dumbass method of comparison/argument than “take out the times he does well and see how bad he is”?

        Well, it makes sense this time, because Jeter is consistent in that th only time hebdoes consistently well is in the first at bat. He does well in his first at bat, which skews the numbers of how bad he really is. If you take out that first inning, he really is a shitty offensive player.

        • If you take out that first inning, he really is a shitty offensive player.

          The point is, if you take out the times when somebody does something well, they all look like shitty players.

          It’s a tautology. During the sample size where Jeter does not perform well, he fails to perform well.

          • first time lawng time says:

            But he does well such a small percentage of the time. That’s the point. He only does well in 25% of his at bats. What does he do in the other 75%?

          • Ana says:

            Yeah, what he said. Not going to bother restating it because a) he already said it, and b) you know it, but the fascination with making dumbass statements is apparently too great.

            • first time lawng time says:

              b) you know it, but the fascination with making dumbass statements is apparently too great.

              Okay, what is your problem?

              • Ana says:

                Don’t really have one, except the lack of basic logic and statistical understanding around here is kind of infuriating.

                • first time lawng time says:

                  But, see, your lacking logic a bit here, too. Minteroisdinero’s point was, “Jeter is very good the first inning. Fine. What does he do the other 8? (or specifically his offensive innings)

                  People make that point about AJ. People say things like, “Oh AJ sucks because he is only good for 5 or 6 innings.”

                  And as for the lack of logic and statistical understanding, everyone on this site is knowledgable about baseball to a different degree. Just because there are people who clearly aren’t as smart as you, doesn’t mean you need to be rude.

                  • Ana says:

                    My only comment was on the fact that, as TSJC said, saying “he does poorly except for when he does well” is a tautology and not sound in terms of looking at a sample as a whole. Re: AJ … yes, some people are dumb. I am in no way saying that you’re the only person who’s ever shown flaws in logic.

                    I don’t mind when people don’t know stuff, I really don’t, because God knows I don’t know everything or close to it. I do mind when people stick their fingers in their ears and say “I’m holding to my statistically and logically unsound principles because that’s what I think and nothing you can say will change my mind.” Not knowing stuff = totally fine, nobody knows everything. Not being willing to learn/discounting things you don’t understand/making dumb arguments = being dumb.

                    • first time lawng time says:

                      I’m not saying, “take out all of the times he does well.”. I’m saying , “how does Jeter do after the after inning?”

                      And let me just say, that there are some people here (not saying it’s you, just a general statement) that feel the need to always be right and can’t admit to being wrong. I feel that’s worse than people who make dumb arguments. IMO

                      And FTR, how do I lack “mental understanding?” or whatever it is you said.

                    • Ana says:

                      I didn’t say that. I said that there’s a general fascination with making dumb statements.

                      Re: Jeter in the first, while it’s fine to look at splits, in this case it’s a little bit silly because of all the whining about the fact that he’s batting leadoff. Your leadoff hitter is really only your leadoff hitter the first time through the order, through which it’s been established that Jeter does quite well, so why all the complaining?

                      And, to your other point, while it’s not good to never admit to being wrong, there’s value added to a discussion when people have strong arguments backed up by evidence, and very little is added to a discussion when people just spew nonsense. Also, in my experience, the “dumb arguments” people and the “I’m never wrong” people are often one and the same.

                    • I’m not saying, “take out all of the times he does well.”. I’m saying , “how does Jeter do after the after inning?”

                      But why? What analytical value does hit have to examine Jeter after the first inning? What conclusions to you seek to draw from that strangely capricious statistical subset of the overall data? He’s not a pitcher; we’re not worried about Jeter tiring after the first or not having enough “swing diversity” to make it through the order a second time. It’s not a natural split like lefty-righty or starter/reliever or power/finesse or high-leverage/low-leverage any number of other splits. It’s just a pretty meaningless distinction.

                      It seems odd to even care about Jeter in the first inning v. Jeter in all other innings… unless you’ve already pre-established that Jeter performs worse in one sample than another sample and you’re trying reverse-engineer a narrative based on arbitrary endpoints, a narrative that will in all likelihood be an empty, useless tautology.

                    • first time lawng time says:

                      In another thread you were like, “Given the lack of mental effort she puts into things, I’m surprised she remembers her own name.”. WTF?

                      You make a good point about the leadoff whining. My personal problem is that he gets an extra at bat every game and he’s pretty bad outside of the first inning. Just my personal view.

                      And to the last point, let me just say, that D’Angelo is pronounced Dangelo not Dee-Angelo. At least that’s how it’s supposed to be pronounced.

                    • Ana says:

                      IIRC that was the thread in which you were saying things like “I basically look at wins and ERA to evaluate a pitcher because that’s what they talk about on broadcasts.” That’s fine, but it’s not putting a lot of mental effort in, especially when it’s been so well established that that’s not the most effective way of understanding performance.

                      I don’t know what relevance D’Angelo has to anything, but I’ll keep that in my back pocket.

                      And listen to TSJC above, he’s a smart man.

                    • first time lawng time says:

                      1. I don’t ever remember saying that, but even if I did you shouldn’t be rude
                      2. During the all star game there was an argument about how to pronounce D’Angelo. I was right, but people were still convinced that I was wrong (if it were Dee-Angelo it would be spelled DiAngelo, but you don’t do that in Italian because they hate pronouncing 2 vowels like that, so they take out an i to make it flow)

                    • And to the last point, let me just say, that D’Angelo is pronounced Dangelo not Dee-Angelo. At least that’s how it’s supposed to be pronounced.

                      Italian last name pronunciation rules ≠ Black English Vernacular first name pronunciation rules

                      Also, I’d read up more on the historical usage of the apostrophe in various linguistic settings before declaring what it means in at all times to all peoples.


                      The baby name D’Angelo sounds like DiAngelo.


                    • first time lawng time says:


                      Catalan, French, Italian and Occitan surnames sometimes contain apostrophes of elision, e.g. d’Alembert, D’Angelo.

                      Doesn’t matter if it’s a surname or first name. The correct ITALIAN pronunciation is “Dangelo.” If you want to Americanize it, fine. I’m going to stick with the Italian version.

                    • David Ortiz’s son is not Italian. Neither is R&B crooner D’Angelo.

                      You’re missing the larger point, though, that languages throughout history acquire loanwords from other languages and alter the spelling/pronounciations to match their own internal logic. It’s happened since the beginning of time.

                      Almost every person here on this board has a first name that is borrowed from some other non-English language and has been changed to be now largely unrecognizable. English is a bastard language.

                  • David, Jr. says:

                    You lack logic and statistical understanding because, however obliquely, you are criticizing her hero.

                    What he does in the first inning is not important compared to what he does overall, best illustrated by these numbers:


                  • first time lawng time says:

                    Look, my point is that the Italian pronunciation f the name is Dangelo. That’s it. That is how you pronounce it in Italian. I don’t care about Spanish. I don’t care about English. In Italian, it is pronounced Dangelo. That’s it. That’s all I’m tryin to say. You van pronounce it however you want. I personally se it as an Italian name, so I pronounce it as you would in Italian. That’s all.

                    • Hey, look, it’s an Italian restaurant owned by Italians that serve Italian food to Italians! AND THEY PRONOUNCE THEIR NAME LIKE DE-ANGELO!!!



                      Oh, and look! It’s a popular sub shop that serves Italian sandwiches to Italians in Boston and their name is D’Angelo’s! I wonder how they pronounce it!


                      FTLT, I love you, but you’re making yourself look silly. People pronounce their names they way they want to pronounce their names. Language is flexible, it’s not rigid. You don’t get to decide how other people (Italian or otherwise) pronounce an apostrophe that was added to the word to replace a vowel. If people want to pronounce that vowel, so be it.

                    • Hey, look, it’s Italian-American actress Beverly DEEEEEEE-Angelo on Hollywood 411!


                      Wow, that’s an interesting interview, right, FTLT?

                    • first time lawng time says:

                      If people want to pronounce it like that, fine. But can we agree that there is nothing wrong with pronouncing it Dangelo, the way I pronounce it? In Italian, the apostrophe gets rid of the vowel so you don’t have to say it, that’s why I pronounce it that way. If people named D’Angelo want to pronounce it DiAngelo, fine. But I’m going to pronounce it Dangelo.

                      I don’t feel like arguing over this, but what makes them right and me wrong? Maybe they’re pronouncing it incorrectly, not me. Also, there are many Italian restaurants and other places that don’t pronounce their names authentically. And Cervelli is Italian, so it should be pronounced Chervelli instead of Servelli. If he pronounces it like the latter, fine, I’ll o with that. But I would like to know how HE pronounces it. Just out of curiosity, because I’ve always wondered.

                    • first time lawng time says:

                      Let’s just come to a consensus: the authentic Italian pronunciation is Dahngelo. But if you want to pronounce it Dee-Angelo, it’s fine.


                      http://www.forvo.com/word/andrea_d'angelo/ (just FTR that there is proof of your pronunciation and mine)

        • Yankee Fan 1 says:

          this just in: the 1st inning counts.

  17. Bronx Byte says:

    Brandon Laird deserves a start at 3rd base tonight with Nunez moving over to SS. Just keep Andruw Jones out of the lineup.

  18. Jack Merridew says:

    Jeter bought himself a little time in the leadoff spot with that 3,000th hit game. Gardner was also struggling but now it is time to move Jeter down in the lineup. With Nunez in there he won’t bat 9th. You could put him at 7th ahead of Martin. Jeter shouldn’t bat 2nd either.

    • David, Jr. says:

      I actually don’t think Jeter would be bad hitting second. He hits the ball on the ground, and Gardner’s speed opens up all kinds of holes. He can also bunt very well, which could be a fit there. Then I would go Cano, ARod, Tex, Grandy, Swisher, DH, Martin. Grandy at 6th is weird, but that just illustrates the strength of the lineup when ARod returns. None of this is a bad problem to have. We have five players who could hit 3rd or 4th on most teams.

    • Cris Pengiuci says:

      Jeter’s first inning stats (leading off a game) are pretty good. Who wouldn’t want a leadoff hitter that’s hitting .364 with an OBP of .432? It’s the later at bats that are a problem.

      Have him bat leadoff, then take him out. :-)

  19. Bartolo's Colon says:

    If they didn’t negatively affect the outcome of the game, nunie’s defensive miscues would be hilarious. i guess they are hilarious to non-yankee fans and sometimes to yankees fans in hindsight. you should repost that gif from the cubs game with pena and nunez, that will brighten everyone’s day

  20. Stan the Man says:

    I guess there isn’t a game in which Mike can’t bash Nunez. The bunt was a fluke play and the SS could have been backing him up to make sure the ball didn’t clip the back side of the bag. The only thing Nunez could have done differently is actually stop and make sure, but since he charged the ball and was about to do the one handed scoop he basically elminated that from his options.

    His 2 sb’s and 2 rbi’s should have gotten more play then the fluke bunt play and error. Rookies make errors just like Jeter did throughout his minor league career and early big league career.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      I think a big thing is that watching a game it’s harder to know whether another SS would have gotten to the GB just outside of Jeter’s range than to see Nunez make obvious errors.

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