Cashman: It’s unlikely we’ll see Banuelos next month

August 15, 2011 by Mike Axisa 30 Comments

Via George King, Brian Cashman said it’s unlikely that Manny Banuelos will be up in the big leagues next month when rosters expand. “You may or may not see him. It’s more likely you won’t see him,” said Cash in his typical GM speak. “There are no plans for him to join us. He is 20 years old. He is at Triple-A right now and there are no plans to push him. That could change, but …”

Banuelos was bumped up to Triple-A Scranton on trade deadline day in what seemed like precursor to a September call-up. There’s been speculation about using the lefty out of the bullpen down the stretch, which makes sense in the context of him being at 112 IP and unlikely to go over 130-140 on the season. The Yankees don’t have to add Banuelos to the 40-man roster until after next season at least, so there’s no crunch. We’ll see, Cashman left a lot of room for interpretation.

http://twitter.com/rebeccapbp Squishy Jello Person

and Jesus?
- Skip
  
  He’s coming.
  
  After rosters expand, Jesus will be up within a week, depending on when the SWB schedule ends (I haven’t checked).
  
  Until then, he’s going to stay down there so hold tight. With 6 starters and ARod coming back soon, there is just no room for him quite yet. Yeah, cutting Posada would free up that roster spot/position, but the Yankees WOULD NEVER do that.
  - http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse
    
    It ends on the fifth of September and odds are SWB won’t be making the playoffs. He’ll be up before September so he’d have a chance to be on the postseason roster.
    - http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder
      
      Colin Curtis, Reegie Corona, Joba Chamberlain, Pedro Feliciano, and Sergio Mitre are all going to finish the year on the 60-day DL. Justin Maxwell could probably join them.
      
      We have more exemptions than we could possibly use. No need to promote anyone before roster expansion just to get them playoff eligible, we can make three position players and three pitchers playoff eligible with the stroke of a pen.
vin

I’ll just settle for Montero. No need for Manny to get rushed to the bigs, except to satisfy my selfish desire to watch him pitch.

SWB is going to be very fun to follow next year.
http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

We’ll see, Cashman left a lot of room for interpretation.

Are there any Paraguayans here? No?

Well, of course, their requests for subsidies was not Paraguayan in and of it is as it were the United States government would never have if the president, our president, had not and as far as I know that’s the way it will always be. Is that clear?
http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

Good. I hope he doesn’t come up and relieve. It could potentially screw him up. Play it safe and keep him as a starter. Besides, the Yankees have a very good bullpen as it is. They don’t need him.
- CP
  
  Pitching out of the pen won’t ruin anyone.
- Brooklyn Ed
  
  pitching out of the pen didnt ruined David Price, or Roy Halladay.
  - Jorge
    
    I think the narrative isn’t 100% accurate either, but a lot of people just want to see these guys up just to see them up. Folks need to calm down and let these guys develop with a bit less pressure. Everybody wants Montero as if he’s going to carry the team on his back in September. It’s remarkably silly.
    - radnom
      
      Everybody wants Montero because he is one of the 25 best players in the Yankee organization at the moment.
      - JU
        
        That’s right Radnom. But anyone who wants a young player brought up is silly or a prospect hugger. It’s a joke, and purely political that Montero isn’t up. I don’t care how young he is, they just wasted nearly a full season of his career keeping him in the minors when he is ready for a ML role. He could’ve served a very important role on this team w/o having to be the everyday catcher.
  - http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse
    
    it ruined Joba and Hughes.
    - Kiersten
      
      I was just going to say why this is false, then decided I wasn’t going to bother.
    - https://twitter.com/TheRealJeromeS Jerome S.
      
      No, fucking with innings limits ruined Joba, whereas Hughes’s book is still being written.
- BK2ATL
  
  How would throwing an inning here or there “screw him up?” They are going to just shut him down anyway. They surely wouldn’t be asking him to start Game 1 of the postseason.
  
  The problem I have is the apparent unwillingness to actually SEE what these kids could do in MLB. It could be in low-pressure situations in Sept, but at least give them a shot, rather than this potential crap we keep hearing about.
  
  There are always excuses for the Yankees, including the “see what happened to Hughes and Joba” one. Completely disregarding the many cases where things have actually worked out. See Cano, Nova, Robertson, Logan (who wasn’t supposed to make the club from AA), Nunez, etc. None of these kids were “planned” to have made the roster, Nunez being debatable, yet they all were finally given a chance and have done at least decently.
  - Voice of Reason
    
    Joba Chamberlain came out of the bullpen, then he went back to being a starter, then he lost his stuff, then he got hurt. It goes without saying that the sole cause of his problems was pitching out of the bullpen in the majors, and that absolutely no other factors specific to Chamberlain himself contributed to them. The only logical conclusion to be drawn from his experience is that all pitching prospects who begin their careers in the pen will be screwed up.
    
    I don’t see what the problem is. That’s air-tight.
AC

Why is Cashman so leary of using any of his prospwcts to help him with stretch drive etc. Im tired of hearing he wants to keep them in AAA for value. I agree not to rush people, but he only seems open to the idea of people like Nova and Noesi who the Yanks like but arent highly valued. Im tired of him trading these guys away and they florish with other teams etc. Give the kid a taste maybe he can help us out.
- Jorge
  
  Nova and Noesi also spent more time in AAA than Manny Banuelos. Regardless of ceiling, they were more ready. Adam Warren may still be more ready. I get what you’re trying to prove, but there’s other logical reasons why the super-prospects aren’t up.
- BK2ATL
  
  I gotta agree with you on this.
  
  20 year old Arodys Vizcaino says hello from…get this, the Atlanta Braves roster.
- Ed
  
  He’s not keeping them in AAA for value. He’s keeping guys like Banuelos and Betances there because they simply aren’t ready for the majors.
  
  Neither one of them has come close to pitching a full season, so rushing them up is just going to lead to problems like we saw with Hughes and Joba.
  
  You also can’t judge a prospect’s development strictly off stats. Hughes had a fastball good enough to completely dominate through AA. He didn’t really pitch in AAA, then learned in the majors that he didn’t have enough pitches to consistently get out major league hitters. He’s been toying with cutters and changeups and various curveball grips for years without success. It’s better to learn new pitches in the minors, where no one cares if you lose some games while you try to figure it out.
  - bottom line
    
    Yeah, we shoulda let Hughes win those 18 games last year in AAA.
    
    Cawhman is really like the old genral fighting the last war, learning the wrong lessons from the last war. Joba and Hughes got hurt becuase pitchers get hurt, not becuase they were rrushed or pitched out of the pen (where, incidentally, they both made important contributions). He needs to loosen up and improve this roster the best way we now can– with Montero and Banuelos. If they fail, fine, it’s part of development. But there’s nothing to be gained by holding them back any further.
Jimmy McNulty

Good. Glad to hear it, let him develop in the rotation.
- http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse
  
  Agreed. The guy is a starter. Let him start. He’s not a reliever, so don’t relieve. Plain and simple. Besides, the Yankees have struck with bad luck with using Joba and Hughes out of the bullpen
Naved

What about Dellin Betances? He is already on the 40 man roster. He needs more innings this season when September rolls around.
- Dave M
  
  No reason not to bring him up since he’ already on the 40man. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s going to pitch though (Brackman last year). But I would think they’d use him a little.
Tyrone Sharpton

So give the white prospect pitchas (hughes, chamberlain) a quick promotion, butleave minority prospects in AAA until there is no choice? unbelievable.
- http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse
  
  Yet they called up CMW in early May of ’05
  - Dennis
    
    Dont feed the troll.
ida nextace MannyB

This kids got great mound presence and his head on straight – I dont think NY and it’s big stage will affect him so that’s the intangibles out of the way but boy do I hope the yanks don’t screw the pooch with manny like they have with there other can’t miss prospects…