Sep
01

Jesus Montero & Expectations

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Montero's run for Scranton's mayor seat is coming to an abrupt end.

Unless Joel Sherman is wrong (and his reporting almost never is), the Yankees will call up Jesus Montero today as the rosters expand in the season’s final month. Some poor sap will lose his 40-man roster spot, but that’s part of the business. I wanted to see Montero earlier this season, but whatever. Better late than never. He’ll reportedly get “opportunities to play and specifically hit,” which I guess means spot starts at DH and maybe even behind the plate. I highly doubt he’s going to just sit on the bench to “soak it all in,” he’s ready for the next challenge.

ZiPS pegged Montero for a .276/.334/.503 batting line in the big leagues before the season, which frankly would have been a miracle. Exactly eight players have slugged .500 or better in their age 21 season over the last 50 years, and only 24 players have managed a .330 OBP with a .450 SLG at that age and in that time frame. It’s not often a player that young hitter comes up and has an immediate impact, but that won’t stop us from expecting one from Montero. Therein lies the problem. What’s a reasonable expectation and what isn’t?

Honestly, I have no idea. I expect Jesus to look overmatched at times, to look right at home at others, to hit a ball or five over the fence, to fail to block a curveball in the dirt, to throw a ball into centerfield, to flick his wrists and clank one off the right field wall … all sorts of stuff. That’s the thing about young players, you never have any idea what you’re going to get. Regardless, the magnifying glass will be him, for good or bad. In this age of instant reaction, start-to-start and plate appearance-to-plate appearance changes of opinion, we’re probably going to see a lot of good and bad this month. A lot more bad I’m sure, just because the game is all about failure.

Montero’s status as a top prospect is going to work against him as well, because come on, top prospects are scrutinized most heavily while the underdogs get praised. That’s why everyone loves Ivan Nova and Melky Cabrera and hates Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain. It’s natural to root for the underdog, the ones that surprise us, and it’s also natural to come down hardest on those we expect the most from. Montero is no underdog, he’s one of the very best prospects in baseball and will have a target on his back the first time he steps into the batter’s box. Just wait until he takes an 0-for-4 this weekend or fails to get the runner in from third or something. There will definitely be people calling him a bust based on that, I guarantee it.

I can’t help but think of Justin Upton here, not that Montero will be that kind of player. But just look at how the first few years of Upton’s career shook out. He was a huge, huge prospect that got a brief cup of coffee in 2007 and was below replacement level. He managed to keep his head above water (.347 wOBA) in 400+ plate appearances in 2008, then broke out in 2009 (.388 wOBA). Upton took a step back in 2010 (.349 wOBA), got shopped around on the trade market in the offseason, and now he’s an MVP candidate. Lots of ups and lots of downs, which is usually how it goes. It’s not isolated to the Yankees and their stupid player development strategies or whatever people want to blame it on. It’s just normal career progression. Young players rarely reward their teams right away.

Unless we’re talking serious injury, there’s nothing Montero can do this month to change his stock either way. A Shane Spencer month (.421/.476/1.105 with eight homers) might help the team win some games and land him a spot on the playoff roster, but it won’t change his long-term outlook. At the same time, neither will an 0-for-37 with 23 strikeouts and ten double plays. It doesn’t work like that, one month just isn’t enough time to change anything in a meaningful way. Or at least it shouldn’t be. Some fans will write Montero off if he struggles in September and others will start erecting a monument beyond the center field wall if he does well. I expect good things and I’m hopeful that we’ll see them, but Jesus Montero’s career will not be defined by September 2011. That much I’m certain of.

Categories : Musings
  • DERP

    Well done on the picture.

  • jsbrendog

    possibly something along the lines of mike trout? although you would expect a little more cause he has a lot more minor league seasoning than trout…

    • Ted Nelson

      Trout’s MLB wOBA = .355… RC+ = 125. That’s slightly better than Montero’s AAA numbers this season. Certainly there’s too much variability in a one month sample to peg Montero’s production (as Mike says), but Trout-like is above what I’d expect as a most likely case.

    • http://twitter.com/urbainshockcor Urban

      Hard to say either way. While he has more minor league seasoning that Trout, he’s also not as talented as Trout.

      As Mike points out, not much can be read into a month’s worth of ABs, and certainly not in the month of September.

      I’m fine with the Yankees giving Jesus another solid season at AAA considering his age and position. (I’d also be fine if they called him up last month.) I think there’s a better chance of refining his catching skills playing everyday than once a week.

      Yet the time for Jesus is here. I’m hoping for a good September. I think there’s a better chance than not he makes the postseason roster and one way to do that is to do the unthinkable. No, not cut Posada. He’ll have value as a bat off the bench, especially if they make it to the World Series. The obvious cut would be Cervelli. The unthinkable is to give Posada some turns behind the plate in September so he can serve as Martin’s backup in case Martin was injured in a game.

      This way, Posada and Montero make the postseason roster and both can serve as the backup catcher when the other is DHing. Bye, bye Cervelli. Hey, I nothing against Cervelli as a backup, but the best Yankee roster is Montero and Posada in the postseason, and Cervelli watching on TV.

      • http://twitter.com/urbainshockcor Urban

        To be clear, I was fine with them giving Montero another year at AAA this year; not in 2012! I think he’s here for good.

      • Ted Nelson

        Let’s see a little more of Jesus in MLB before we decide he’s better right now than Cervelli. Cervelli is a positive MLB contributor, and until we have more evidence we cannot say whether Montero is or is not.

  • Reggie C.

    Here’s hoping Jesus locks into similar power shown by his slightly younger peer, mike stanton.

    • Ted Nelson

      Stanton is actually a few weeks older than Jesus.

  • Yank The Frank

    Why is everyone treating Montero like he is the second coming? It’s not like Jesus could walk on water…oh wait.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I wonder how much smaller the prospect crush would be if his name was “Doug Montero” or something. I imagine the disparity would be large.

      • Yank The Frank

        It is a fun name to play around with.

      • http://www.twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Considering the collective freak-out* over Gary Sanchez last year, I’m not so sure about that.

        *Appropriate to an extent, of course, but probably not to the extent it reached.

      • MannyGeee

        ‘Joel Sheman reports that the Yankees have called up catching prospect Joe Montero…’

        yeah, not quite as fun.

        • Yank The Frank

          If his name was Aaron Lipshitz it would be a laugh riot.

          • boogie down

            Or Nathaniel Snerpus.

      • Foghorn Leghorn

        “Beware of Doug”

  • DERP

    I hope he plays tonight so the Red Sox can see what a real catching prospect looks like.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I hope he tones down his excitable Latin youthful antics and doesn’t disrespect the game with his Latin youthful histrionics. It’s a shame what this game has come to.

      Sincerely,
      Old Man Saltalamacchia

      • http://myspace.com/bksmalls Smallz

        +1

      • http://www.twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        And when I say Latin players, I’m not trying to say ‘Latin’ players or any of that stuff.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          My comments were taken out of context. I have no problem with what Latin players do, at all.

          • Foghorn Leghorn

            I think we was referring to Latin players from old Roman times

            • Old Roman

              We called ‘em Gladiators back then.

      • MannyGeee

        Stay off my lawn!

      • CP

        Well, we know that Saltalamacchia prefers the older, more mellow type…

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        Fun fact: Saltalamacchia is not even 1 (one!) year older than Cervelli.

        • Malrick

          Fun Fact: Saltalamacchia married his High School teacher.

          • Old Roman

            I’ll bet it wasn’t his Latin teacher.

  • Adam

    On the bright side we can definitely expect perfectly reasonable reactions by fans in response to either a good or bad stretch.

    • jsbrendog

      have you met most yankee fans?

      • http://twitter.com/JimIsBored JimIsBored (Jim S)

        I think your sarcasm detector is off…

    • Jorge

      Drop on by during the game thread the Yanks are down by a couple of runs.

    • MannyGeee

      Greg, Karl Krawfid and Sarah take offense

      • Sarah

        I’m sorry if I’ve ever said anything to include me with that crowd.

        *shudders*

    • Adam

      There may have been a slight ounce of sarcasm in my original post…

    • Old Roman

      Except for those excitable Latin fans.

  • Sarah

    Mike, do you think the team will put him in the lineup tonight, or does it seem more likely he will come out as a PH at some point?

    I feel like…maybe “Hi, welcome to the team, go out and rake against Jon Lester” might be a bit of a baptism by fire for him. If he does well, then it’s fine, but if not, well, you know how that goes.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I honestly don’t know. They’re going to face four lefties in their next six games after tonight, so they could sit him against Lester since he’ll definitely get a bunch of playing time through the weekend and into next week.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        How do you teach a kid to swim? Throw them in the deep end of the pool.*

        *I’ve had my swim teaching license revoked

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Ron Burgundy: Um, Brick, before I let you go, are you still having your celebrity golf tournament?
          Brick Tamland: Um, no, no. Too many people died last year, so we’re not gonna do it.

          • http://fendersonandhampton.com Cuso

            I stabbed someone with a trident.

            I saw that! Brick killed a guy!

  • Chad Gaudin the Friendly Ghost

    The truth is, for all the hype surrounding this young player Montero, the Red Sox clearly have the best catching tandem in baseball. Saltalamachia is a great young stud, and Varitek is the wisened vet that keeps the otherworldly Red Sox pitching staff throwing their customary 1 hitters. Combine that with the greatest second baseman to ever don a MLB uniform, I think the Red Sox have a real chance to win every game for the rest of the season.

    /NESPN’d

    • Reg

      Whoa whoa whoa greatest 2nd baseman to ever don a MLB uniform? You sure about that?

      • http://myspace.com/bksmalls Smallz

        If it were up to EPSN the whole Red Sox 25 man roster would be the MVP

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          2011 AL MVP ballot:
          1.) Jacoby Ellsbury
          2.) Dustin Pedroia
          3.) Adrian Gonzalez
          4.) Kevin Youkilis
          5.) Josh Reddick
          6.) David Ortiz
          7.) Jarrod Saltalamacchia
          8.) Josh Beckett
          9.) Oil Can Boyd
          10t.) Jason Varitek
          10t.) Jose Bautista

          • Gonzo

            12.) Ted Williams’ frozen head

            Too soon?

            • http://johnsterling.blogspot.com/ Xstar7

              13.) Theo Epstein for being the greatest generuh manageh evah.

          • Sarah

            You forgot Darnell McDonald.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              I ran out of room. We really need two or three AL MVP awards per season, it’s not fair to Boston to limit the award to just one man per year.

      • MannyGeee

        check the batteries in you Sarcas-o-meter… I think its broke

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    That’s the thing about young players, you never have any idea what you’re going to get.

    http://piwindowonbusiness.file.....038;crop=1

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Play him tonight at DH and see what he’s got against one of the better lefties in the league. Play Jones in LF.

  • Jorge

    “That’s why everyone loves Ivan Nova and Melky Cabrera and hates Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain.”

    Wise words.

  • infernoscurse

    for a second there I thought this was nomaas :D

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      But then you read the comments section and didn’t see 20 people all impersonating RAB regulars and calling each other “fag” and realized it wasn’t NoMaas

      • icebird753

        Agreed.

        -ABCDEFG’d (this is the one aspect of RAB that I abhor)

        • icebird753

          Although to be fair it has gone down

    • MannyGeee

      NoMaas.org… come for the photoshops, stay for the anti-semetism and homoeroticism…

      • infernoscurse

        haha, im a big fan of both sites, most fans there are dumb but most yankee fans are

  • Monteroisdinero

    We won’t have to worry about another Yankee clapper or fist pumper.

    Montero is ccc.

    /cool/calm/collected

    • MannyGeee

      ccc(b)

      cool, calm, collected (bored)

  • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

    “At the same time, neither will an 0-for-37 with 23 strikeouts and ten double plays.”

    I wonder what he did in his other 4 ABs?

    • Rick in Boston

      Grounded into triple plays with the bases loaded.

  • http://myspace.com/bksmalls Smallz

    My brower was loading and all I saw was the fingers in the pic before I knew what it was and I was laughing, well done.

    • MannyGeee

      damn homie… alot of traffic on AOL today?

  • BRAZILIAN FAN

    i expect him to break the homerun record this month. If he does less then that i´ll be pissed and lose my faith in him and maybe become a red sux fan.

  • http://myspace.com/bksmalls Smallz

    I predict, that Montero starts behind the plate tonight. Goes 5 for 5 with HRs and 6 RBIS and throws out Jacoby Ellsbury, Carl Crawford, Dustin Pedrioa and Josh Reddick twice. Each. Oh and AJ wins. Then Montero takes Cervelli outback and shoots him like an old dog.

    #unreasonableyankeefan

    • http://myspace.com/bksmalls Smallz

      2 HRs*

      • http://myspace.com/bksmalls Smallz

        OH and if he doesnt do all that, hes a bust. Trade him immedietley.

      • jon

        pft only 2?

        i expect him to go 5 for 5 with 5 home runs and 20 RBIs

    • http://johnsterling.blogspot.com/ Xstar7

      Jesus will die for our sins of trying to predict baseball.

  • Gonzo

    This is weird. I am so excited, but I am also worried.

    I hope he can have a hot start or have some key hits in this month. That way, people will cut him some slack when he inevitably slumps.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      That way, people will cut him some slack when he inevitably slumps.

      Dear Diary:

      Gonzo had a very funny joke today.

      • Gonzo

        So let’s hope he bats 1.000/1.000/4.000 in high leverage situation.

        Bah, then people will be mad at him for killing rallies with HR’s. He’s screwed.

  • cr1

    I do love Nova but do not hate any of the initially over-rated players you go on to mention. What I did hate was all the histrionic fawning over Hughes(the FRANCHISE!!!) and Chamberlain on the blogs – and not just among the stupider commenters. Enough to gag a maggot, as the old saying goes, and doubtless led to most of the ‘hate’ that you mention.

    • http://twitter.com/AndrewLeighNYC Andrew

      People get excited about homegrown young players that show great promise early in their professional careers, who also carry with them near-universal stamps of approval and predictions of future major league success from talent evaluators, baseball executives, scouts, etc. It is a perfectly natural thing to do as a fan of a team, which “bloggers” and “commenters” happen to be. Some people will go overboard with their excitement, because some people will always operate in the extremes of things, sports fandom included. It’s unavoidable, and all the time spent complaining about the extremes just works towards beating down and robbing people of what is a perfectly acceptable thing to get psyched on, that being the debuts and early careers of highly-touted young major leaguers.

    • Ted Nelson

      They were really good prospects who earned that hype.

  • Dave

    “Exactly eight players have slugged .500 or better in their age 21 season over the last 50 years, ”

    Montero didn’t slug .500 in his 2nd year at AAA — never mind the big leagues.

    “Montero’s status as a top prospect is going to work against him as well, because come on, top prospects are scrutinized most heavily while the underdogs get praised. That’s why everyone loves Ivan Nova and Melky Cabrera and hates Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain. ”

    Huh? This board is evidence of the opposite. Fans here love Montero, Hughes and other top prospect “messiahs”. And if they actually perform, they’re instant stars. Who hated Joba when he first came up in relief? Did you forget “Joba Mania” and “Joba Rules!”? It’s simply about performance. You’re loved if you come through, dismissed if you don’t. And I remember Melky being ripped when he first came up after dropping a pop-up, not rooted for — and most dismissed Nova as AAAA-type pitcher, with no future here. You’ve got this idea backwards.

    “I can’t help but think of Justin Upton here, not that Montero will be that kind of player.”

    You’re damn right Montero won’t be that kind of player. And you left out one key point. Upton was 19 when he got called up — and he hit .300 with 26 hrs in the bigs at Montero’s age (21). Montero couldn’t muster that line in AAA this year — or the year before. No comparison at all. Upton started as blue chip and fulfilled the expectation. Montero started as a blue chip but whispers and disappointing stats began after AA.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      The Nationals drafted slugging prep catcher prospect Bryce Harper—easily the hardest position on the diamond to get offense from—and immediately moved him to RF.

      Because it would get him to the majors faster. Upton making the bigs at 19 and Montero not making it until 21 is primarily because

      A.) Montero played a much harder defensive position and the team took great pains to get him enough reps at it to make him passable at that hard defensive position
      B.) Justin Upton played for a sad sack franchise that desperately needed his publicity and marketing potential as a #1 draft pick and the face of the franchise in the lineup everyday as soon as possible, and didn’t have any well-paid, high-performing incumbent players at his position to block him (or any hopes of contending for a title immediately anyway).

      Your “key point” is due to variables outside of Upton or Montero’s control.

      • Dave

        I think you’re missing my “key point” — Upton played better in the bigs than Montero did at AAA at the same age. The variables Montero controls are his batting average, extra-base hits, walks, etc. Everyone’s wish here (calling Montero up long ago) would’ve come true if he hit the way he did prior to AAA. He hasn’t been that same 320ish hitter at AAA; he hasn’t made mince meat of that level like the others. If he had he would’ve been called up for his bat a long time ago. If he was hitting .300 with JoVa/Maxwell style pop, he would’ve forced his way into the DH/catching picture at the big league level. .288 with 19 doubles in over 400 ABs doesn’t cut it. Not the same player at AAA — and he’s been given over 800 ABs there to show what all the hype was about — but he didn’t.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          He hit .289/.351/.493 with 39 homers across two seasons at AAA as a 20 and 21 year old. He was still the third youngest player in the league this season.

          Saying a) “if he was hitting .300″ when the difference between .288 (his AVG this year) and .300 is like, seven hits over the course of the season, and b) “with JoVa/Maxwell style pop” when JoVa and Maxwell are eight and six years his elder, respectively, is rather foolish.

          The problem isn’t the hype, it’s your lack of context and perspective.

          • Dave

            Sorry — but you dropped context and perspective, not me. I didn’t say .300 only over the course of the season — and you conveniently left out the lack of total extra-base hits (I guess dropping from 34 doubles to ONLY 19 doesn’t count — it’s only 15 hits, no biggie, right?). My point is if he got off to a torrid start with both power and average, he would’ve been called up. And comparing to non-prospects like JoVa and Maxwell is applicable when you consider that Montero is a blue chip prospect in HIS 2ND YEAR at the SAME LEVEL. I didn’t say a peep last year about him. And are you going to tell me that you expected the same numbers — OR WORSE — in every offensive category from the great “I-should-be-up-already” Montero during his 2nd pass at the same level?? He hasn’t lost an ounce of status as a prospect thru your rose-colored glasses yet you question my perspective? You’re drinking your own Kool-Aid. Remember, he’s the “second coming” — touted in every way, but you’re saying “Aw c’mon, he’s young.” You can’t build up the hype than say “go easy” on him. He’s supposed to be a MONSTER prospect, not just a decent bat who might make it as a big leaguer some day.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              And comparing to non-prospects like JoVa and Maxwell is applicable when you consider that Montero is a blue chip prospect in HIS 2ND YEAR at the SAME LEVEL.

              I can’t argue with someone that honestly believes this. You’ve wasted enough of time, have a good day.

              • Dave

                I didn’t think you could formulate an answer. And still no mention of the XBH fall off. Interesting.

                And are you the one on this blog who posts those minor league game updates that always make sure to keep track of Montero’s fly balls to the warning track? Do you give him half a homerun credit for them or something?

                You’re right — I don’t want you to waste even more time.

                • Ted Nelson

                  What is your point?

                  • Dave

                    Are you Mike’s blogyguard?

                    When you’re monitoring warning track flyballs, you’re really stretching to rationalize Montero’s performance. If we’re at that point, we’ll have to rewrite the entire baseball stat book to include “Almost Doubles”, “Almost Triples”, “Almost HRs”.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      I criticize Mike as much as anyone on this blog.

                      You have no point, and that’s why I asked. Is your point that Montero is not a good prospect?

          • Addison

            “He was still the third youngest player in the league this season”

            Third youngest position player, eighth overall.

            And five of them have ML experience.

            To find the needle in the haystack, you have to move a lot of straws.

    • CP

      Montero didn’t slug .500 in his 2nd year at AAA — never mind the big leagues.

      That’s because he was bored, duh!

    • Ted Nelson

      You don’t need to take the opposite extreme to argue against an extreme position. Your view that Montero will not or cannot be a great MLB player is as stupid as any perceived view of others that he definitely will be. Citing what age a player came up at and performed as having a 1-to-1 relationship with future success illustrates this. Every player has a different development path.

      You are looking at a different time period than the quote you refer to in terms of love/hate of young players. Mike is clearly talking about after some time in the bigs and not right off the bat… you are twisting his point.

      • Dave

        Or perhaps Mike is tweaking with “extreme” views — like most blog writers do — to generate an onslaught of comments? And I didn’t twist his point at all. Do you really think Hughes and Joba are “hated” now? People twist themselves into knots making excuses for the former around here — especially Hughes. And Melky was “loved” and praised b/c of his “underdog” status when he came up!? C’mon — he got killed. He didn’t even get praised too much later on when he played better baseball for the Yankees. And no one gave hoot when he left in that trade. No one cried for their beloved “underdog”. He was always expendable.

        And you’re twisting my statement. Montero isn’t the player that Upton is b/c of what Upton has done already. You can’t go back in time to get an earlier head-start on your career. Upton has big league numbers posted from age 19-21 before Montero has an AB at that same level. And I didn’t say he couldn’t eventually hit in the bigs (which I’ve said before). And of course there’s no guarantees of any player’s path. There’s injuries, attitude issues,(another thing about Montero that gets brushed off as nothing around here), etc. It’s as if everyone here wants to pretend that Montero’s coming to the bigs with the same prospect status and momentum he had 2 years ago. If that’s not twisting reality, what is? Let’s forget that this great power/average combination hasn’t hit for great power or average in 2 yrs at AAA?! How has he retained this mythical status despite that fact? You could realistically expect a similar contribution from Laird based on what they both actually produced at AAA. Was there an outcry to bring up Laird to give the Yankees an offensive jolt — or to put the “best team on the field.”? News-flash — the Yankees HAVE put the best team on the field — which is why Montero wasn’t on that field until the roster expanded. And being the streaky hitter that he is, I could make a better case that JoVa would provide more of a power jolt to the offense than Montero. He certainly has demonstrated the ability to hit HRs in bunches. Why not DH him? I think you’d have a better chance at a Shane Spencer-ish miracle HR month with him than Montero.

        I hope the promotion to the big club inspires poor “bored” Jesus Montero into recapturing his pre-AAA form. I really do. But to ignore his underwhelming AAA numbers is to be delusional. Only 38 extra-base hits in 420 ABs at AAA. That doesn’t seem like a “saviour” to me.

        • Ted Nelson

          You really don’t see how ridiculously extreme and illogical your viewpoint is, do you?

          “Or perhaps Mike is tweaking with “extreme” views — like most blog writers do — to generate an onslaught of comments?”

          Really? You just want to argue, huh? I said that I agree with a point you made, and you decide to throw it back in my face? Nice.

          “And I didn’t twist his point at all.”

          Yes, you did. He referred to an overwhelming sentiment among Yankees fans as a group, and you pointed to the sentiment at the moment each came up. You did not respond to his comment.

          “Do you really think Hughes and Joba are “hated” now?”

          Do you really think that there is only one viewpoint among all Yankees fans on every issue?

          “Montero isn’t the player that Upton is b/c of what Upton has done already.”

          You are twisting logic… Montero is also isn’t the player Francisco Cervelli is by the same logic because Cervelli has accomplished more. NO ONE cares about Montero’s MLB accomplishments to date. People are trying to project FORWARD to what he will do.

          “It’s as if everyone here wants to pretend that Montero’s coming to the bigs with the same prospect status and momentum he had 2 years ago.”

          Who is acting that way? You are creating a strawman. I agree that some people are glossing over his poor season a little too easily, but that doesn’t mean you have to act like 1 bad season radically changes his prospect status. He had a strong 2010 season AT THE SAME LEVEL and was BA’s #3 prospect COMING INTO THIS SEASON, so it’s not a matter of his physical inability to handle AAA pitching. Your buddy Upton who you act like is the new Babe Ruth or something also had a poor season after having done better at the same level. Miraculously that didn’t end his career.

          You also have done nothing to prove that “momentum” going into your first call-up has any relationship with big league success.

          “How has he retained this mythical status despite that fact?”
          “I could make a better case that JoVa would provide more of a power jolt to the offense than Montero.”

          You are contradicting yourself… which is the problem with taking an extreme and illogical position. You argued that Pujols and others were promoted because of their skill and not production. People are still high on Montero because he still has the skill even if his 2011 production is down.

          “But to ignore his underwhelming AAA numbers is to be delusional. Only 38 extra-base hits in 420 ABs at AAA.”

          You are THE ONLY ONE ignoring his AAA numbers. He has 873 ABs in AAA… not 420. He has 96 XBH not 38. You seem to be the delusional one here.

          Do I think you have a point that Mike and others have been overly critical of the Yankees’ org and overly dismissive of Montero’s poor play this season? Yes. However, rather than saying as much and backing it up with reasonable evidence, you have flown way off the handle to just make things up in certain cases. You are on the extreme here acting like Montero is no longer an elite prospect. He is according to every authority on the subject. That does not mean you can’t disagree, but your own point about Pujols shows why you have to cite more than MiLB stats. If you have observed something that’s happened between when he thrashed AAA pitching last season and this season that diminishes his long-term prospects… let us know. If all you’re doing is pointing out that he’s struggled this season… we are all aware of that.

          • Dave

            “You really don’t see how ridiculously extreme and illogical your viewpoint is, do you?”

            Defaulting always to the middle –like you seem to do– is as illogical and extreme as you make me out to be.

            “Really? You just want to argue, huh? I said that I agree with a point you made, and you decide to throw it back in my face? Nice. ”

            My point — which you clearly missed — is that his extreme views may not actually reflect what he really thinks. That’s why I said “extreme” rather than extreme. Get it? You throw something out there to stir things up — so you get 200 responses rather than 20. Nothing was thrown in your face.

            “Yes, you did. He referred to an overwhelming sentiment among Yankees fans as a group, and you pointed to the sentiment at the moment each came up. You did not respond to his comment. ”

            No, I didn’t. And yes, I did respond. Read again. And read his initial point — which you seem to qualify and massage for him in a way that he didn’t — below:

            “That’s why everyone loves Ivan Nova and Melky Cabrera and hates Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain.”

            I’ll ask you again — since you answered my question with a question. Does “everyone” “hate” Hughes and Joba — either now, when they were in the minors or anywhere in between? — your choice. Mike was loading the deck for Montero — protecting him in advance from the slings and arrows of evidence based critique. Poor, poor top prospect — we all (“everyone” means all, right?) hate them so! But yet this board is filled with chronic Hughes/Montero apologists. Did Mike tell you??! Montero hit a flyball that almost hit the wall?! It was almost a double or a homer! It was caught for an out — but still! And Hughes had a moth in his eye — or he cant’ see the signs from the catcher — or he has a hot spot on his MRI — or he needs glasses — or he found a flaw in his cutter grip — or he has an extremely rare nerve disorder in his shoulder. Does that sound like “hate”? Or fans making excuses b/c they so desperately want Hughes to be the “Little Rocket” they wanted him to be?

            “You are contradicting yourself… which is the problem with taking an extreme and illogical position. You argued that Pujols and others were promoted because of their skill and not production. People are still high on Montero because he still has the skill even if his 2011 production is down.”

            How does that contradict what I said. Both Pujols and Upton were leaped into the bigs. They didn’t redo any level. If rosters didn’t expand today and SWB’s season coming to an end this weekend, Montero would still be there.

            And regarding your other point — and like I said in a prior post, I think it’s fish or cut bait with Montero. Cashman says he must go on the 40 man roster anyway or be Rule 5’d. They’re taking a look to see what’s there. And (perish the thought, I know) maybe this will be a precursor to an off-season move that puts him in another uniform. Maybe other teams are watching as well. It wouldn’t be the first time a prospect changed levels to be showcased for a future trade. Maybe some team out there is already interested. Would any of this really surprise anyone who follows baseball?

            And no, they aren’t as high on Montero — and for all the reasons I’ve mentioned. Scouts are whispering different things now. Google around — you’ll find it (as I also mentioned before). The defense was always suspect — but there are recent concerns about his swing and pitch recognition. The offensive projections have been tempered. What worked in AA isn’t working as well in AAA. He’s become a different a hitter – more swings and misses — lower BA and power. And not running out ground balls to first doesn’t suggest a kid who “plays the game the right way.” There’s whispers that don’t go away just b/c you don’t want to hear them.

            “You are THE ONLY ONE ignoring his AAA numbers. He has 873 ABs in AAA… not 420. He has 96 XBH not 38. You seem to be the delusional one here.”

            C’mon — who’s playing games now? Obviously I was referring to this past season when I specified the exact 420 abs. And my whole point was that these categories have gotten worse. But now you’re averaging everything out to make it look better? Why not incorporate all his minor league numbers, then it will look even better? He’s trending downwards — but for some reason no one wants to accept this as an indicator of anything — which is bizarre. AAA is the closest to the big leagues – and that’s where his decline started. So, 800+ ABs at AAA are not indicative — but the 800+ before AAA tell us everything? The earlier ones count but the latter are just a 873 AB downward slanted blip?

            “However, rather than saying as much and backing it up with reasonable evidence, you have flown way off the handle to just make things up in certain cases. You are on the extreme here acting like Montero is no longer an elite prospect. ”

            I haven’t backed my assertions up with evidence??? You act like my posts are like “Montero Sucks A$$!!” and disappear.

            “He is according to every authority on the subject.”

            Yes, but there’s a growing number of dissenting voices (in addition to the defense) as he’s progressed to the upper level of the minors. And the numbers back that up. And still, why doesn’t AAA count as much as his prior numbers. He’s older more experienced than his AA/A days — but his performance at AAA is good not great — but has it been “elite” at this level? Should this be a better indicator than the lower minor leagues — and it’s not 200 ABs — it’s not missing half the season after a broken wrist or a torn hamstring. It’s consistent ABs over the course of 2 full seasons at the same level — yet his star is still as shiny as ever? Is that a reasonable conclusion?

            “That does not mean you can’t disagree, but your own point about Pujols shows why you have to cite more than MiLB stats. ”

            You guys are funny. I didn’t bring up Pujols or Upton; I just responded to Mike and others throwing them out as examples. They brought them up to compare — not me.

            “If you have observed something that’s happened between when he thrashed AAA pitching last season and this season that diminishes his long-term prospects… let us know. If all you’re doing is pointing out that he’s struggled this season… we are all aware of that.”

            Well, you might be. But others didn’t seem to notice the doubles drop as well. And if Montero did anything, he hit doubles — and he has never displayed more HR pop than Laird did. So, fair enough, you’re aware of his 2011 power numbers — and his .288 average at AAA over 2 years — but what does that indicate to you? Anything? What would y’all be saying if hit .320 with 40 doubles and 28 HRs at AAA? I bet those numbers would be used to “prove” just how great he is — but he didn’t do that, so we ignore or dismiss them instead? I get it. We’ll only refer to Montero’s numbers when he excels. When he’s thrashing it counts — when he doesn’t — um– er. Brilliant.

            • Ted Nelson

              “Defaulting always to the middle –like you seem to do– is as illogical and extreme as you make me out to be.”

              It is more logical to say that Jesus Montero will not be a good MLB player and is not a good prospect based on a bad season than to say he is a strong prospect who may or may not have MLB success?????????

              You lost me. I stopped reading there. As I ask you at another point… what is your point? You keep rambling on about nothing. Insulting everyone and dismissing anyone who thinks Jesus isn’t awful.

              • Ted Nelson

                I continued reading for the hell of it. All I have to say is that you are nuts. Beyond nuts.

                “We’ll only refer to Montero’s numbers when he excels. When he’s thrashing it counts — when he doesn’t — um– er. Brilliant.”

                You are only counting the numbers when he’s not thrashing and somehow saying he cannot hit AAA pitching by ignoring over 1/2 his AAA PAs…. NUTS.

                • Ted Nelson

                  “And no, they aren’t as high on Montero — and for all the reasons I’ve mentioned.”

                  How on earth do you know that? Please don’t act like you can read Brian Cashman and others’ minds… You can present your speculation. You cannot present it as fact. Nuts. Absolutely crazy comments.

                  • Dave

                    Well, I was referring to scouting reports I read. Do you really think there’s lock-step consensus on evaluating these prospects?

                    How do you know this statement is true?

                    “He is according to every authority on the subject.”

                    You know “every” authority? Or are do they become an authority of they say only good things about him?

                    I’ve read/heard these from “authorities”:

                    “Won’t be a big league catcher”
                    “Good arm, improving as a catcher, needs better footwork.”
                    “Can’t catch. Should be moved to first.” (which is what the Rockies were going to do if they got him — didn’t like him as a catcher)
                    “Advanced bat, strong wrists, great power.”
                    “Will hit 40 HRs in the bigs some day”
                    “Non-traditional swing with an upper-cut, poor pitch recognition — projects more as .265, 20 hr DH type — can’t play defense.”
                    “Poor work ethic. Dogs it sometimes.”
                    “Bored — needs a challenge. Lacks focus.”
                    “Works hard on his catching.”

                  • Dave

                    And we know you read everything I wrote — but you avoided this one a 2nd time.

                    Mike said…

                    “That’s why everyone loves Ivan Nova and Melky Cabrera and hates Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain.”

                    I’ll ask you once again — since you dodged my question twice now. Does “everyone” “hate” Hughes and Joba — either now, when they were in the minors or anywhere in between — your choice? Mike was loading the deck for Montero — protecting him in advance from the slings and arrows of evidence based critique. Poor, poor top prospect — we all (“everyone” means all, right?) hate them so! But yet this board is filled with chronic Hughes/Montero apologists. Did Mike tell you??! Montero hit a flyball that almost hit the wall?! It was almost a double or a homer! It was caught for an out — but still! And Hughes had a moth in his eye — or he cant’ see the signs from the catcher — or he has a hot spot on his MRI — or he needs glasses — or he found a flaw in his cutter grip — or he has an extremely rare nerve disorder in his shoulder. Does that sound like “hate”? Or fans making excuses b/c they so desperately want Hughes to be the “Little Rocket” they wanted him to be?

                    Are you more afraid to agree with me — more afraid to disagree with Mike’s assertion that top prospects are “hated” — but suspects are “loved”? And considering this debate about Montero — of which I’m clearly in the minority by daring to question any aspect of his projected ability — isn’t this proof that top prospects are loved to a fault? And Hughes as well? Do people cover their eyes when the radar gun that showed 95mph in the 1st inning, shows 90-91mph 65 pitches later? Must be his “mishandling” by the Yankee brass or coaches — or his cleats — or the stars were in the wrong position again. Oh well — but we still you love ya, Phil Phranchise!

                • Dave

                  No, I count them all — which is what the Montero worshippers like yourself can’t seem to do. You focused on the “thrashing” portion but looked the other way on the rest. I take in the full context — not just those favor my views. He’s proven himself to be a consistent .288 hitter at AAA, with about 20 hrs, 27 doubles, 2 triples, 95ks, 40 BB, .490 slugging — is that fair? Maybe more Juan Rivera-ish offensively than Miguel Cabrera — is that possible?

              • Dave

                I think you’ve lost yourself. Where did I dismiss everyone who doesn’t think Jesus is awful? I don’t think he’s awful. Any criticism of him = Jesus is awful, and anyone who doesn’t agree should be dismissed??? That’s quite a leap — and terribly illogical one.

                You turned me saying that Montero may not be all he’s cracked up to be based on what’s actually happened at AAA — but you turn that into me wanting people to think he’s awful?? That’s pretty extreme — not mention false.

                Bizarre. I’m sorry if facts annoy you.

                And yet you kept reading my rambling nothingness, huh?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Montero didn’t slug .500 in his 2nd year at AAA

      And yet he did in pretty much every other year of his career.

      and he hit .300 with 26 hrs in the bigs at Montero’s age (21). Montero couldn’t muster that line in AAA this year — or the year before.

      Upton never hit 26 homers in the minors either. Pujols hit 19 HR total in the minors, then hit 37 his first year in the big leagues. What’s your point?

      • CP

        Pujols had a .284/.341/.481/.822 in 89 PA at High A in 2000 (and then a few ABs in AAA). That earned him a promotion to the majors the next year, where he played a full season and hit .329/.403/.610/1.013.

      • Dave

        Right. Yet they were called up to the bigs b/c scouts and baseball people who know more than you or I knew they could play. And the fact that they had the careers they did, prove their assessments were correct. You don’t get called up as a teenager if you’re not special. And this idea that the Yankee talent evaluators messed up by letting Montero spend another year in AAA — and should’ve called up him earlier (even though he was having a worse year at the same level) — is absurd. As if the Yankees wouldn’t bring him up if they thought he could help win games for the big club. There’s evidence based reservations about him now. That’s why he went from “untouchable” to being the centerpiece of trade talks. And those trade talks were for great pitchers — but those same pitchers were in their 30s, and without contract extensions –i.e., 2 months rentals. I don’t get how his stats in AAA are being ignored by so many here. What do you think Upton would’ve hit in AAA had he been left down there for a full year? Worse than his big league numbers?!?! So, I ask you — what’s your point?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Are you serious? Upton spend 400+ PA in the bigs and then did worse the next year. Same exact thing, different level.

          • Dave

            Yeah — but that level is THE BIG LEAGUES. You’re comparing the maintenance of stats year to year in the Majors versus the Minors??! As if that’s the “same exact thing”. It ISN’T b/c it IS a “different level” — THE MOST DIFFERENT LEVEL OF THEM ALL — THE MAJOR LEAGUES — with advanced scouts, video, experienced big league players and coaches picking apart every AB of your game to find and exploit your weaknesses. Despite the fans in the stands — the minors are a primarily a DEVELOPMENT league. There’s NO comparison to the challenge of consistent performance in the bigs vs the minors. None. Big time prospects breeze thru the minors with raw talent. Pitchers like Hughes get away with 2 pitches in the minors — but it all changes in the bigs. You can’t run on talent alone. The biggest adjustments required are those on the big league level yet Montero hadn’t adjusted even at the AAA level. He strikes out more and hits with less power and average. He didn’t master that level over 2 years. It’s the first time in his pro career that he was challenged so much that his raw ability couldn’t overcome it. You don’t have to dislike Montero to look at what he’s done more realistically. What is everyone afraid of? That he might not be what we all hoped for? Add him to the list — it happens this way more often than not.

            • Ted Nelson

              Again… you are way out there. Mike did not say AAA is MLB. Where did he say that? He didn’t. You act like people are stupid and argue against points that they didn’t make. His point is that one bad season does not ruin a player’s long-term projection. Upton, who you heap praise on, IS an example of this. If you don’t like that one, look at Hanley Ramirez’s regression IN THE MINORS: at 21 in AA he had a .720 OPS.

              • Dave

                But he did say good year/off year in AAA — good year/off year in MLB — “same exact thing”.

                IT ISN’T.

                You completely side-stepped my point. The “different level” makes it something other than “same exact thing”. Comparing the difficulty of maintaining stats from your first full yr in the big leagues to your 2nd year in the big leagues is not the “same exact thing” as a first year in AAA then a 2nd year in AAA. The “different level” is what makes the attempted analogy meaningless. He’s saying good year/bad year phenomenon is the same everywhere. It isn’t. The big leagues is the BIG LEAGUES. All bets are off. The level of dissection in the majors is a different animal. The ante is constantly upped. You have to constantly adjust to BIG league adjustments to you. The AAA team isn’t sure who’ll pitch tonite; they could call up Igawa to throw 3 innings. It’s a development league. It’s not the best of the best trying to win every game at all costs. It’s much harder to maintain success in the big leagues than the minors. What would you say if I brought up JoVa’s strikeout total in AAA as a negative? Would you counter with “Well, Ryan Howard strikes out a lot too!” If you’re having that problem in AAA, it’s isnt the same as having it in the majors. Just surviving in the big leagues puts you ahead of anything that’s happening in AAA. Upton’s drop in his 2nd year is MLB adjusting to him — there’s no parallel phenomenon in AAA — not even close to the big league effort/resources exerted to thwart you on every AB.

        • Colombo

          For the past two years, the Yanks have had Posada and Martin as the full time catcher. Leaving Montero in the minors so he could get regular at bats is not a problem. It’s part of the process. Upton was called up because Arizona had no left fielder after Eric Byrnes flamed out. I would rather the team not rush the prospect and at the same time continue to win ball games.

          Find one report of a scout saying Montero “didn’t know how to play.” There was never a question with his bat, it was always defense, which AAA games let him work on.

          Its foolish to compare one player to another, especial in the prospect discussion. Jesus Montero DOES NOT EQUAL Justin Upton. Speculating on what one would do at what age at what level is beyond foolish.

          Lastly, Montero only became available in trade talks for two pitchers: Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee. If it was possible, you make those trades 11 times out of 10.

          While some people are a little too high on home grown prospects, you are way too low based on the simple idea that he was in the minors too long. Complete insanity.

          • Dave

            They had Posada two years ago (who has also been maligned as a poor defender as well — and who missed a lot of time that year due to injury. And Martin this year — who they signed while knowing they had Montero already. There was more of an opening than you’re implying. Montero’s glove and bat left him in the minors. There’s always room for someone who’s crushing it at the plate. He didn’t have to catch f/t; he could’ve DH’d as well.

            “Its foolish to compare one player to another, especial in the prospect discussion. Jesus Montero DOES NOT EQUAL Justin Upton. Speculating on what one would do at what age at what level is beyond foolish.”

            Really? That’s what Mike did. I didn’t start with Upton comparisons, he did. I just obliged him those comparisons and pointed out where his logic was clearly flawed.

            “Lastly, Montero only became available in trade talks for two pitchers: Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee. If it was possible, you make those trades 11 times out of 10.”

            Yes, I pointed that out already. But he was offered for those pitchers as 2 MONTH RENTALS — no extension talks beforehand — nada.

            “While some people are a little too high on home grown prospects, you are way too low based on the simple idea that he was in the minors too long. Complete insanity.”

            Maybe you should actually read what I wrote. It’s not just about length of stay, it’s about performance. One triggers the other. So, if he hit .240 and was kept in AAA for 2 more years (like an Eric Duncan), that wouldn’t justify being “low” on a prospect just b/c he’s been down there so long?!? Now, that’s complete insanity! You stay longer when you’re NOT deemed ready — and you’re not deemed ready based on PERFORMANCE.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              Really? That’s what Mike did.

              Nope, wrong again. I used Upton as an example of an elite prospect that had a lot of ups and downs early in his career.

              • Dave

                Hmmm… An article titled “Jesus Montero & Expectations” with a paragraph that begins with ‘I can’t help but think of Justin Upton here, not that Montero will be that kind of player. But…”

                Nah, you weren’t drawing any parallels between the two. Right. Beware the “but…”

        • Ted Nelson

          Again… you are taking a really extreme position when there is no need for it. No one you are discussing this is saying that Montero will definitely be the greatest thing even as far as I’m aware. Yet you are arguing against that point. You are arguing against unicorns. Not the people you are discussing this with.

          His AAA numbers dipping is worse than if he had a 1.000 OPS (for example). Definitely. And I do think Mike has gone to the opposite extreme at times both in acting like calling him up was a no-brainer and ignoring his AAA struggles. In this case I really don’t think he is, though.

          Saying someone has had a bad season does not mean they can’t recover. And your weak supporting evidence exposes the flaws in your logic. Montero was a “center-piece” in a proposed Halladay deal BEFORE he had a single PA in AAA. BEFORE. Miem points out the flaw in the Upton/Montero comparison because Upton did have a bad season. Acting as if baseball people are not high on Montero is another weak argument. Luke-warm on his defense? Sure. I have yet to hear a discouraging remark about his offense, though. And if I really need to explain to you that AAA production doesn’t have a 1-to-1 relationship with future MLB production… not sure what to say.

          You can make the points that Montero has struggled this season and may not ever be a successful MLB player without taking the extreme position you have chosen to take.

    • https://twitter.com/TheRealJeromeS Jerome S.

      This is batshit insane. He’s a bust before his first MLB at-bat. Oh my God. This is a whole new level of overreaction.

  • steve s

    I’m sure Jesus will be “welcomed” into the majors with all of the following tonight:

    1) “Montero sucks” chants from the Nation faithful (even the RS fans wouldn’t tempt fate by chanting “Jesus sucks”).

    2) A big bear hug from Big Papi and an invite to his off-season golf tournament in the DR.

    3) A pitch right at his head (just to move him off the plate).

  • Total Dominication

    So your saying Jesus is a mystery piece of chocolate candy?

  • Kenny Powers mullet

    Here’s how to deal with the espn love affair with the Red Sox.

    DONT WATCH OR LISTEN TO IT!!!

    Seriously with Nomar, Schilling and O’Brien you thought it was going to be objective?!?!?!!

    I think a lot of you love bitching about things so in almost a sadistic way you like watching espn. Bottom line the bitching about espn is getting very old and needs to end.

    • Adam

      Well…some of us sadly do live out of market and have no choice but to watch the national telecasts.

      • Mister Delaware

        I get the Boston telecast. Less annoying than ESPN, to be honest, and that’s with Jerry Remy.

        • MannyGeee

          THIS. Orsillo and Remy have actually been good this series (relatively speaking)… especially considering how bad NESPN has been of late.

        • http://twitter.com/JimIsBored JimIsBored (Jim S)

          Yeah. I have extra innings, so I can watch YES, but NESN has been way less biased than ESPN.

          I have no idea how that’s the case.

      • the Other Steve S.

        mlb.tv. A hundred bucks.

      • Cris Pengiuci

        +1

    • thenamestsam

      Here’s how to deal with the comments about the espn love affair with the Red Sox.

      DONT READ THEM!!!

      Seriously you came to RAB and expected people not to complain about NESPN’s bias towards the Yankees!?!?!?!?!

      I think you love bitching about things so in almost a sadistic way you like reading those comments. Bottom line the bitching about people bitching about espn is getting very old and needs to end.

      • icebird753

        agreed

      • Kenny Powers mullet

        I think I’m the first person on RAB to ever complain about the bitching about espn that I’ve ever seen vs. about 1,000,000 posts complaining about espn bias.

      • http://twitter.com/JimIsBored JimIsBored (Jim S)

        Maybe if ESPN were getting better instead of worse, people would stop complaining.

        The WorldWideLeaderInSports should be less biased. It isn’t, and that pisses people off.

        Here’s how to deal with comments whining about ESPN’s love affair with the Red Sox: ignore them.

        • Kenny Powers mullet

          Agreed. I just would rather read posts about other things. I never post myself but after last night I felt like I had to.

      • jsbrendog

        this. i like this

  • Cy Pettitte

    I can wait to hear “Jesus walks……around the bases after a monster home run”

  • Kostas

    I know this is out of thread context but if you have a chance read ESPN today… They are not only declaring the Sox “whipping” the Yankees but Beckett was SHARP….

    If Beckett was sharp, AJ Burnett is Cy Young winner.

  • Kenny Powers mullet

    I live out of market and have directv and their baseball package. Most cable companies and directv for sure have baseball packages that allow you to watch all the games. Directv even allows you to pick the home or away broadcast.

    Well worth the $200 or $300 it costs–I forget exactly what the cost is.

    • Mister Delaware

      DirecTV >>>>>>> Everyone else. RCN rarely gives the choice of home/away and carries one HD game at a time. Silliness.

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    if Montero doesn’t hit a grand slam in every at bat he’s a complete failure. even if the bases aren’t full.

    /Drunk Asshole’d/

  • Kenny Powers mullet

    Yeah the cable baseball package sucks vs. Directv’s if you can’t have a dish where you live.

    Of course even directv can’t override the stupid Fox Saturday blackout of all games until 7pm eastern or 4pm pst where I live.

  • theyankeewarrior

    Eitha he hits wan ovah the monstah vuhses Lestah or he is a buhst!

    Put tha kid in da game and lets seee what he can do vuhses a real pitchah!

    Sit teh slap-hittah Gardnah and DH the Jesus with Ahndru in left!

  • Monteroisdinero

    Who is the last Jesus to play for us? Not Jesus Alou although we did have Felipe his brother.

    • Foghorn Leghorn

      Jesus H. Krist

      • Monteroisdinero

        Right-guy had an edge.

  • Sweet Dick Willie

    Exactly eight players have slugged .500 or better in their age 21 season over the last 50 years

    While that is a true statement, it doesn’t tell the whole story.

    Alex “only” slugged .496 his age 21 season, but slugged .631 his age 20 season.

    • ItsATarp

      That Arod kid seems pretty good at baseball

      • http://twitter.com/JimIsBored JimIsBored (Jim S)

        You think we could get him for Montero?

        • Sarah

          Nah, I hear he’s been signed to a long-term deal with his current team and they won’t accept anything short of CC Sabathia ++ for him.

      • Rainbow Connection

        Used to be.

  • ItsATarp

    1.000 OPS or Bust

  • Mike R.

    Waiting for the Red Sox to call up Catcher, Justin Minter. He’s 5″9, swings a hard bat, he hustles, AND he’s gritty! And of course he is white with a stubble.

  • YankeesJunkie

    I would love to see Montero get 15-20 games and get a cup of coffee before he can really start mashing next year. This year I am not worried about the results, but rather the process.

  • Al

    So to expect Jesus to DH against Lester tonight would be a complete waste of time, right? Gardner will be leading off and Jones DHing and Jesus will take it all in from the bench.
    After all, the Yankees are much better then the Red Sox on paper, and there is no need to win these games because the Yanks are in the play-offs anyway. And according to many fans here, the Sox dont make it passed the first round because they have been playing over their heads all year.

    • Sarah

      Gardy won’t lead off against a lefty unless it’s some sort of an emergency.

  • Karl Krawfid

    Montero starting at DH tonight.

    Lawd!!!!!!!

    • Cy Pettitte

      yup, confirmed by Jack Curry/Joel Sherman

      I’m so pumped. makes up for having to watch AJ tonight.

    • http://twitter.com/JimIsBored JimIsBored (Jim S)

      Awwww fudge, I can’t watch! Sonofabitch. You make plans for one night during the week and it bites you in the ass.

  • Corporate Scum

    I want to go ahead and get on record:

    BUST!!!!

    He’s been up since September 1, and hasn’t even reached base ONCE in the major leagues. Pathetic. Let’s hurry up and trade him for right handed middle relief while we still can.

    • Jorge

      Meanwhile, Ryan Lavarnway has not made a single out since September 1st. Now we know who the real catching prospect is.

  • Monteroisdinero

    I think batting Montero 3rd or 4th and dropping Tex to 8th/9th for a day will be just fine.

    • Cy Pettitte

      Jeter
      Grandy
      Montero
      Cano
      Swish
      Andruw
      Teix
      Martin
      Nunie

      boom, that just happened

  • icebird753

    STARTING LINEUPS
    bos
    nyy
    BOS lineup: TBA

    * 1. Gardner, LF
    * 2. Jeter, SS
    * 3. Granderson, CF

    * 4. Teixeira, 1B
    * 5. Cano, 2B
    * 6. Swisher, RF

    * 7. Chavez, DH
    * 8. Nunez, 3B
    * 9. Cervelli, C

    ^^^That’s what the Yankees lineup reads on NYY, BOS sites. Mistake perhaps?

    • Sarah

      That’s last night’s lineup. Unlikely that Chavy is DH-ing against Lester.

    • Hall and Nokes

      May be a mistake since that’s last night’s lineup.

  • Hall and Nokes

    Wow, Al Pujols laughs at the rest of your age 21 seasons.

    • Monteroisdinero

      If Montero had been our catcher from day 1 this year and hadn’t been so bored for 6 months…..

  • your mom

    That’s the thing about young players, you never have any idea what you’re going to get.

    So, young player = a box of chocolate?