Oct
19

Open Thread: World Series Game One

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Damn hippies. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson)

So, who ya got? I’m thinking Rangers is seven. I don’t think they’ll run away with it mostly because the middle of the Cardinals order won’t flail at the same junk off the plate like the non-Miggy Tigers hitters did in the ALCS, and that alone will keep them in games. It’s worth mentioning that three of Texas’ four starters are left-handed, and that will neutralize a big bat in Lance Berkman. Octavio Dotel will be pretty important because he destroys righties and outside of Josh Hamilton, all of Texas’ big bats are right-handed. I’m just hoping for good games more than anything, no lopsided blowouts please.

Anyway, here is your open thread for the night. Game One of the 2011 World Series starts at 8pm ET and can be seen on FOX, and the weather in St. Louis

Categories : Open Thread
  • Jimmy McNulty

    All this talk about Darvish has me chomping at the bit, in that piece you recommended worries about the innings on Darvish’s arm was all the innings. The author pointed out that no one’s worried about Felix Hernandez, I will say the difference is that Felix tops 200 innings in 32+ starts, Darvish does it fewer than 30, that’s my biggest concern.

    • CP

      I am (or would be if it mattered to me at all) worried about Felix’s innings catching up to him.

    • Tom O

      One plus could be that if he’s cruising deep into starts, because of his dominance, he’s making lower stress pitches than if he were constantly in jams. But I have zero evidence for that, just thinking out loud, and he does average almost 8IP per start. While he obviously wouldn’t do that here, it’s still an awesome/crazy high number.

    • JobaWockeeZ
      • Jimmy McNulty

        Yeah, that’s pretty scary. He’s held up for five years and understands his mechanics and his arm better than any pitcher in baseball (short of Tim Lincecum) does, so I’m still optimistic about him…however pretending that isn’t a sign of concern is just plain nonsense. If he threw those same innings over the course of 33 starts I’d be completely fine, but those high pitch counts are worrisome.

    • Gonzo

      I’m more worried about him pitching every 5 days instead of once a week.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        He’s cracked 200 IP four years, whereas Matsuzaka only did it twice despite more years in NPB. OVer the last five years he’s had a sub two ERA whereas Matsuzaka never did it. I’m told that in his last year he was on the typical MLB rest, I haven’t seen gamelogs to back that up, though.

        • Gonzo

          That’s very encouraging if try. Didn’t know that.

  • Jimmy McNulty

    With all this talk about the free agent pitchers, what about the one pitcher on the roster that everyone should be wondering about? Phil Hughes. Have we given up on him being an ace or a two starter? Is it settled that he’s just a mid or back of the rotation guy now? I’m leaning towards yes, give up on the Phil Hughes that’s worth getting excited about. Think of him in the same category as Adam Warren, David Phelps, and Hector Noesi. If he develops another pitch or refines his command maybe he’ll be in the Ivan Nova category.

    At any rate it’s an extremely disappointing saga, sad to see the guy who could have been an ace disappear. People say “oh he was hurt” or “when he’s been healthy he’s a pretty good pitcher” I say nonsense, the problem is that he DOES consistently get hurt and he ISN’T able to stay healthy. Is the team just planning on throwing him out there for another 180 innings or so after he only pitched 80 last year? If so do they actually think that will work?

    • The Big City of Dreams

      They ate fully behind having throwing 180 innings even though he didn’t throw that many this yr. I guess they’re hoping an off season conditioning program will set him on the right track. You brought up a good point though it maybe time for us to change how we think about Phil Hughes.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        Are not ate

  • BamBam

    Go cards i dont wanna see texas win at all being that the yankees would have manhandled the rangers starting pitching had they got a base hit in the ALDS

    • Kevin

      the Rangers starting pitching did get manhandled..it just got bailed out by the bullpen and the Texas offense.

    • Brian S.

      With the way we hit left handed pitching this year I agree.

      • BamBam

        exactly my point that would have been a great hitting series for the yankees

        • Kevin

          That would assume our SP could hold off the Rangers minus Nova.

          • BamBam

            wasnt the record vs them this year like 7-2

          • smurfy

            Nova may be plagued with poor command early next season, come to think of that. Hope he can keep it in context, if so. Hard for a young man, who sees life slipping away.

            Maybe the winter off can help his fall. They are all running out of gas, come September.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    Whenever I think Bud Selig can’t be any worse, I find something like this: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ortCat=mlb and realize that things could defiantly be worse…

    • Jimmy McNulty

      He could be David Stern.

    • smurfy

      1116 comments. I wanted to say somethin’, but who would ever read it? Shorten the season!

  • Brian S.

    GO CARDINALS

  • Rey22

    Go Cardinals. Screw the Rangers and their antler/claw crap.

  • Pat D

    I can’t root for either of these teams. I hope that Rangers Ballpark explodes right before the start of Game 3.

    That’s what a friend of mine calls a “Pat Special.”

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8nAsjZYMVw&feature=youtube_gdata_player Xstar7

      Choose the lesser of two evils and root for the Cardinals.

      • Pat D

        I will choose nothing!

  • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

    Cardinals in 5, you heard it here first…

  • Kevin

    Hard for me to root for a team with Nolan Ryan and George Bush behind them but seeing that scumbag Tony Larussa and Mark Mcguire…bleh.

    • FIPster Doofus

      What makes La Russa a scumbag? Did I miss something?

      • The Big City of Dreams

        Maybe it’s the steroids thing.

      • steve (different one)

        The DUI perhaps? Then again, I think one DUI is now mandatory for being eligible for an MLB pension…

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          You aren’t a real St. Louis Cardinal until you get a DUI.

  • Esteban

    Can’t muster up any shits to give about either team. Not a huge fan of the Rangers, but I don’t hate them, and the Cardinals do nothing for me.

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      When in doubt, root for Lance Berkman and the Cardinals.

      • Brian S.

        The way Berkman just lays down the bat after he hits a home run is one of my favorite baseball quirks.

    • MannyGeee

      Yeah, fresh outta give-a-shits. Berkman alone is juuuuuuust short of enough for me to care about the Series. And if I have to watch Nolan Ryans ‘Get off my Lawn’ face anymore, I may shit meself.

      • smurfy

        yeah!

  • http://highfirstpitch.wordpress.com/ Stratman9652

    The Molina brothers… Pretty good at catching.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/users/486240-arad-markowitz Mantle28

    I guess you could call me a pessimist, but I haven’t watched baseball since the Yankees got eliminated and don’t plan on watching the world series.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Man, Carpenter’s lucky he didn’t get stepped on. Well, Pujols is the lucky one I guess, it would have been his fault.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8nAsjZYMVw&feature=youtube_gdata_player Xstar7

      Carpenter didn’t really have a choice, but sliding into first base is just a terrible idea.

  • Kevin

    yep..Texas is about to learn..don’t try to steal on a Molina.

  • http://highfirstpitch.wordpress.com/ Stratman9652

    Sad to think, but there is actually someone of importance at FOX who thinks McBuck is a good commentating team worth keeping on the payroll. People are crazy.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Watching David Freese play third base makes me appreciate A-Rod a little more. He was still very good on defense in the ALDS.

    • Monteroisdinero

      Freese is awful down there.

    • MannyGeee

      Alex Rodriguez…. defensive 3rd baseman.

      Goddam if I can’t get used to saying that.

    • smurfy

      you know Arod’s got an intangible working, too: great influence on Robbie, these last two years.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    They’re pitching Cruz like he’s Pujols when he’s maybe the fourth best hitter on the Rangers. Probably fifth best after Hamilton, Beltre, Napoli, Kinsler.

    • Pat D

      But Michael Young is the MVP of the American League!!! He willed the Rangers back to the postseason all by himself!!

      /Harold Reynolds’d

      • Foghorn Leghorn

        oh yeah…and he’s a team player….he’s switched positions and never bitched about anythign!

  • Kevin

    And another GIDP ends the inning.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Wilson seems like such a douche. Bring in Darvish.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Both pitchers are behind everyone. The game plan is “ball one, ball two, ground ball.”

  • Kevin

    Molina seems like a punk too…I cna’t figure out who to root for!

  • AJWillWin

    What about signing Mark Buehrle? Granted he is 32 and has logged a TON of innings, but I see that as a positive. He has put up very consistent numbers and has certainly shown he is a durable. If they could somehow get him on a 3-4 year deal I would be all for it.

    Throw in Darvish to that rotation and I’d say 2012 looks pretty damn good.

    CC
    Darvish
    Buehrle
    Nova
    Hughes/Burnett

    Can you say 28?

    • JobaWockeeZ

      They won’t afford Buehrle unless payroll goes to 210 million or something.

      Or we get lucky and Soriano opts out.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        I think it’s more likely that Rafael Soriano becomes pope than he opts out.

        • Foghorn Leghorn

          The Catholic Church does need a new direction….

          • David N

            I can just see MFIKY as the new motto….

        • FIPster Doofus

          Stolen from that NoMaas poll.

      • MannyGeee

        You’ll see Soriano IN the rotation before you see him opting out

        • JobaWockeeZ

          And this is true.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Three or four years for Buehrle? Please, hell a one year 7M deal may be too much.

      CC
      Darvish
      Nova
      Burnett
      Hughes

      with Noesi, Warren, and Phelps waiting in the wings is plenty fine.

      • AJWillWin

        That rotation is scary. Relying way too much on guys that are either extremely inconsistent and/or young.

        I like Nova, but to me he screams Chien-Ming Wang.

        Burnett is quite terrible and Hughes is a giant question mark.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          So lets add a shitty old vet to the mix!

          • Jimmy McNulty

            I immediately regret saying that, I forgot that Mark Buehrle wasn’t no where near as shitty as I remember him being.

        • steve (different one)

          CMW’s problem was that he was injured, not that he couldn’t pitch.

          He wasn’t an ace, but I’d sign up for healthy CMW at the league minimum without blinking an eye…

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      There’s no way I’d go three years for Buehrle. Two is pushing it.

      • AJWillWin

        Why? His numbers and durability certainly deserve 3 years.

        He’s not an ace, but would fit nicely into the 3 spot for the Yankees.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          His K/9 below 5, and a GB rate of 45 percent would be fine if he’s getting 7 to 8 million but with everyone needing pitching he’ll get double that. No thank you.

        • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

          Joba will be a starter before the Yankees give him 3 years.

          • The Big City of Dreams

            *Shakes head* what could have been

      • MannyGeee

        Yeah, if he were to fall through the cracks, I would take a flyer on him in February for like 2/14. But i cannot see a situation where I would get into a bidding war for him.

        • AJWillWin

          Neither would I. I’d sign him in a minute at 2/14, but I think he will cost a bit more than that.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        1 yr is pushing it.

    • steve (different one)

      I don’t think Buehrle would ever come to NY.

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    I’m pulling for the Cards. The Rangers really ticked me off last year with that claw and antler thing. I like Ryan but I can’t see how a team that he runs could have such a sissified rallying call.

    • MannyGeee

      Really? Of all the obnoxious things the rangers have, I think Nolan Ryan tops the list…

      • Foghorn Leghorn

        I was a big fan of his when he was a player so some of that has carried over. I do like his theories on starting pitchers. He and Larussa are like oil and water. I bet Ryan will hogtie Larussa when they exchange lineup cards in Texas.

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    The Cards could not move the Punto…

  • Monteroisdinero

    John Jay looks like what you’d get when you combine Fred Lynn and Davey Concepcion. Minus their talent.

  • Sarah

    God I hate Ron Washington. Why do I live in this god-forsaken place where I am subjected to a constant stream of love for him?

    • Foghorn Leghorn

      I always like U.L. Washington…remember that cat? he played SS with a toothpick in his mouth! that’s old school!

    • Jimmy McNulty

      It could be worse, you could live in Boston and deal with people that think Matt Garza for Theo Epstein is a fair deal.

  • Monteroisdinero

    Well, I think I’m done with baseball until pitchers and catchers report to Tampa. How about a RAB get together in ST?

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    This series is about as boring as watching old people screw…

    • Pat D

      The horror.

      The horror.

    • Zooboy

      Old people screw?

      • Foghorn Leghorn

        sure…no pregnancy worries! I hope I’m still tappin’ it into my late 80s.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Roommate showed me an article recently, had a survey that showed people in their 60′s have as much sex as people in their 20′s.

        • Foghorn Leghorn

          i hope there weren’t pictures.

        • steve (different one)

          Is your roomate in her 60′s? Did she light a bunch of candles before she showed you the article?

    • The Big City of Dreams

      I’d rather watch these teams play instead of the Yankees and Phillies.

      #smallmarketfan

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    FAT ELVIS!

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Puma!

  • Sarah

    2nd time through the order…

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    Should of kept.

    • Rainbow Connection

      He HATED being in ny.

      • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

        Then why did he waive his no-trade clause to go to the Yankees? answer that.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Love you, Big Puma

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8nAsjZYMVw&feature=youtube_gdata_player Xstar7

    He’s Lance Berkman he’s really good and all.

    • Pat D

      +Batting Stance Guy

  • swishers fauxhawk

    Intentionally walking Punto?

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      To get to the pitcher. Yay NL baseball!!

      • Foghorn Leghorn

        seriously…who likes watching that crap? Carp bunted 3 times foul in his first AB. Then we get to watch Nick Punto get IBBd…only to see Carp k.

        that is scintillating.

      • swishers fauxhawk

        It’s a good strategy because letting the pitcher hit is a good idea.

        The fact of the matter is, that should never be a good strategy.

  • http://highfirstpitch.wordpress.com/ Stratman9652

    Wait… Buck would put Holliday at DH and put Craig in the OF? Because you wouldn’t wanna lose Berkman’s defense in right, right?

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      Both Holiday and Berkman are pretty bad out there I don’t really think it matters who they make their DH as long as Craig plays the field.

  • Ivan

    I understand that their body types are different but, if Mike Napoli can catch and he has never been considered a good defensive catcher, then why not Montero? Sure Montero is about 4 inches taller but they are both bulky. I mean im just saying here.

    • http://highfirstpitch.wordpress.com/ Stratman9652

      Montero just doesn’t seem to have the mobility. Watch how low Napoli get and how steady he looks setting up. Montero doesn’t seem to have the flexibility and balance. That makes it really hard to block balls in the dirt, pop and throw, and doesn’t give the ump the greatest view.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8nAsjZYMVw&feature=youtube_gdata_player Xstar7

    Cardinals still can’t throw shutdown innings.

  • Karl Krawfid

    Scouting report must have said keep throwing Napoli fastballs down the middle.

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    David Murphy’s practice swings drive me nuts

  • swishers fauxhawk

    Jeff Mathis.

  • Sarah

    McCarver and Buck marveling over the fancy technology.

    • Pat D

      What, television? Instant replays?

      • Sarah

        The infrared camera. And tv. And the internets. It’s all so new and exciting.

  • Red

    Mike fucking Napoli.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    why would they bunt to just have Pujols IBB’d?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8nAsjZYMVw&feature=youtube_gdata_player Xstar7

      Because they knew Matt Holliday would ground into a double play on the first pitch.

  • swishers fauxhawk

    #toomanybunts

  • Karl Krawfid

    Man NL baseball sucks.

  • pat

    Wow, that’s probably an inside the park HR if it didn’t hit his foot.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Man, if that didn’t hit Cruz’s foot, Craig would still be running.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    “That’s a bad break for the Rangers, but a good break for the Rangers”

    -Tim McCarver

    • Greg

      In a way, he’s right

  • Esteban

    So does this start mean the Yankees should or shouldn’t sign CJ Wilson?

    • The Big City of Dreams

      The Darvish train seems to be picking up a lot of passengers.

  • Karl Krawfid

    Got away with a hanging slider.

  • pat

    So like Bengie Molina last year, Rhodes is getting a ring either way? Sweet.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Well that was a fun game. This series might not be so useless after all.

    • http://yankeeanalysts.com Matt Imbrogno

      Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, Mike.

  • The Big City of Dreams

    Go Cards

  • Kevin

    Looks like Texas will be going home without another ring at the end of this series.
    Maybe we’ll finally hear an end to how much of a genius Nolan Ryan is.
    In the same breath, St.Louis played like garbage most of the year and then got hot at the end…doesn’t seem right.

    • Brian S.

      Losing game 1=doomed. Ask the Rangers and Tigers in the ALDS and the Cardinals in the NLDS/NLCS.

  • JWT

    So the Cards won at home with their ace and suddenly the series is “ovah”? Doubt it. Also, nice of the MSM to float the meme that “Genius Tony LaRussa won the game” instead of giving credit to the guy who actually got the hit. Maddening.