Joba Update: Two weeks of rest following bullpens

Report: Yankees considered pursuit of Beltran
Christmas Day Open Thread

Via the man himself, Joba Chamberlain has been throwing bullpen sessions for a few weeks now and his arm is feeling great following Tommy John surgery. The plan now is to rest for two weeks, then resume throwing after the new year. Joba seems to be just a bit ahead of schedule based on Mike Dodd’s classic TJS article, and he’ll likely start throwing breaking balls very soon. Maybe the Yankees will get him back in late-May rather than mid-June, but I’d rather get him back in mid-August if meant moving him back into the rotation…

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Report: Yankees considered pursuit of Beltran
Christmas Day Open Thread
  • Behind Enemy Lines

    Wooooooo! Can’t wait to get back a middle reliever!!11!!

    Merry F’in X-Mas!!!

    • Drropped Third Superstar

      I found scrooge…..

      • The Big City of Dreams

        He has a point though

  • TheOneWhoKnocks

    Would be the greatest christmas gift of all if Joba announced the Yanks would be bringing him back as a starter. But I love the guy, he has been working hard and I’m not surprised to see him ahead of schedule, can’t wait to have him back even in the bullpen, he will be a big help

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      There were multiple reasons behind the permanent shift to the bullpen, but I think the main one was that his FB was down after the 08 shoulder injury, and his stuff ‘played up’ in the bullpen.

      (BTW-I also think conditioning and poor fastball command were secondary reasons)

      If he shows up in camp and is throwing the ball 95+ like he was back in 07-08, and showing better command with his newly repaired elbow, then I would trust the Yanks will take a fresh look and reevaluate him. But he has to show those things first before ou would even consider such a move. You can’t put the cart before the horse, as they say.

      • http://twitter.com/thewhite_dragon Drew

        Wasn’t he throwing over 97-100 when he first came up? Can’t believe that this guy is the same pitcher.

        Merry Christmas!

        • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

          And a very Merry Christmas to you.

          IIRC, he was throwing the ball hard towards the end of his last year of college, then looked great in winter ball in Hawaii after the Yanks drafted him, and continued to throw hard up to hurting his shoulder in Texas in 08. Hasn’t looked the same since, though was close before he blew out his elbow last year. I do remember he was always a slow starter in ST. Even back in 08, people were panicking that his FB wasn’t there in early March, and he built up speed as the season progressed.

          • Guns of the Navarone

            http://www.fangraphs.com/pitch.....8;pitch=FA

            It’s all right there bro. Definitely not the same velocity after the shoulder injury. And like you said it seems to be getting back up there.

            The funny thing is that Joba’s AVG fastball velo in 2009 (when everyone was bitching he wasn’t throwing hard enough) was 92.5mph. That’s a perfectly fine velocity. But – and this is just my own opinion – it’s not hard enough to get away with mistakes over the plate. And Joba’s fastball especially, IMO, is very straight and doesn’t have the late life of, say, a Phil Hughes or especially David Robertson. His fastball doesn’t have that kind of “pop.”

            He’s always had a plus fastball because of his velocity, but in 2009 his fastball was weighted as a negatively valued pitch (1.14 wFA/C). Batters swung and missed at his fastball 7.8% of the time. These are both well below his career averages and well below his fastball rates from 2008 when he made 12 starts.

            Conclusion: The Yankees should have showed a hell of a lot more patience with Joba The Starter and given him more time to see if his velocity came back. They showed the same patience with Hughes even though their situations were a bit different.

      • Zack D

        Yet Hughes is still a SP after his FB is down (and straight), has no plus secondary pitches, had much more success as a reliever compared to him strting, and showed up out of shape this year.

        I really hope someone writes a tell-all book about the evaluation of Joba/Hughes from inside the organization.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          Yet Hughes is still a SP after his FB is down (and straight), has no plus secondary pitches, had much more success as a reliever compared to him strting, and showed up out of shape this year

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          It doesn’t make sense that’s for sure unless Joba was a complete ass behind the scenes.

          • raisin

            not really promulgated, but the kinda pig-headed stupidity that renders one un-coachable can really hold you back…

  • forensic

    Will there ever be a post involving Joba that doesn’t involve whining about him not being a starter anymore? They’ve made their decision, and said over and over that this won’t change anything. So, right or wrong, agree or disagree, deal with it and move on.

    • Billion$Bullpen

      +1

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      I don’t disagree, but that dead horse has been beaten so many times that even complaining about those folks has itself become tedious. If you feel that way, I would suggest taking the Joe P. approach and not even discuss the topic.

      • CP

        What hasn’t been beaten to death is complaining about the people complaining about the people complaining about the people complaining about Joba being in the pen. Perhaps we should start.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      Maybe if there was a better reason besides his stuff plays better in the pen there wouldn’t be constant whining about him no longer starting.

      • toad

        This.

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

    As a reliever who always relied more heavily on raw stuff than great command, I would expect him to ready ahead of the June target date. Whether or not the Yanks will allow him to come back before June is much more doubtful. The Yanks tend to be very conservative with injuries, and Cash was quoted in the Post the other day saying those estimates are that long for a reason.

    BTW-Joba really looks slimmed down, huh?

    http://assets.nydailynews.com/...../image.jpg

    • Accent Shallow

      Honestly, it’s tough to tell, since he’s sitting.

    • MannyGeee

      He’s just an ox… All barrel chested and gorilla big. N matter how much he gains or loses wor tones, he will always look “big” in some eyes… I can relate….

      Glad to hear he’s making swift progress come back, one of my favorite Yankees on the current roster.

    • Kevin Winters

      SMH that picture is from a month ago. lol nice attempt though too bad it didn’t work.

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

    Has everyone seen this? watch a little, then fast forward to the 1:35 mark. Hilarious.

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....#038;h=360

    Use this on your friends that are Red Sox fans.

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

    Here’s Joba’s velocity chart

    http://www.fangraphs.com/pitch.....8;pitch=FA

    He was inconsistent in 2010, but the velocity appeared to be mostly back after a down 09.

  • Regis

    Yanks have two more years of control on Joba?

    • Kevin Winters

      Yep and then he’s free from the Yankees. If he is smart he’ll go somewhere else

  • CMP

    Might as well give him one last chance as a starter.

    What do they really have to lose, they already completely butchered his development? If he blows out his arm it’s not like you can’t replace a 1.5 WAR middle reliever. Besides, I can’t see why Hughes deserves a chance to compete for a spot in the rotation and Joba doesn’t.

  • JohnLegend

    Hughes and Joba will both be starters beginning in 2014 when they sign free agent contracts with other teams!!!

  • Gonzo

    Start him for games in August and September! If he does well, they have options next offseason.

  • parmesan

    Joba needs to approach Girardi, Cashman, etc. on his own and plead his case — vehemently — to start. Tell them he wants it badly and knows he can return to dominant form. I think that’s pretty much the only chance he has of getting another shot at starting.

    Folks on twitter need to lobby him or something. Tell him the money is a hell of a lot better, or something.

    • http://www.bronxbombersreport.com Craig Maduro

      I like the idea, but what if Joba actually likes pitching in relief?

  • parmesan

    Joba needs to approach Girardi, Cashman, etc. on his own and plead his case — vehemently — to start. Tell them he wants it badly and knows he can return to dominant form. I think that’s pretty much the only chance he has of getting another shot at starting.

    Folks on twitter need to lobby him or something. Tell him the money is a hell of a lot better.

  • MOBoy

    This website can’t ever give up on the Joba to the rotation movement. He wasn’t ever been even good in the rotation and that whole idea of Joba must be a starter died when we found out in 2008 Joba had shoulder problems.

    Tommy John Surgery is hit or miss for pitchers so lets not throw Jobao on the mound for 150 innnings if he can’t.

    • Kevin Winters

      He wasn’t ever been even good in the rotation

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      http://imgon.net/di-HM2H.jpg

    • Need Pitching

      Joba’s first 32 MLB starts (basically a full season’s worth)

      176 IP, 8.74 K/9, 3.83 BB/9, 3.27 ERA

      He walked too many, threw too many pitches, and didn’t last deep enough into games. He certainly wasn’t a polished finished product.

      But a 3.27 ERA in a season’s worth of starts in the AL East is definitely not “He wasn’t ever been even good in the rotation”

      • Behind Enemy Lines

        This x 100. And to realize he got all of 15 mL starts….in his career.

        Joba needn’t been seen in isolation either. Cashman’s Yankees have never developed a legit starting pitcher.

        • Bruce Bruce

          Cashman’s Yankees have never developed a legit starting pitcher.

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          Wang and Nova don’t count?

          #classic cashman supporter rebutal

  • Len S

    He’ll make it back to the starting rotation…with the Marlins.

  • Bruce

    Saw that picture of him from a month ago at a Rangers game. Man, did he look fat. That boy better get himself in shape or it won’t matter how healthy his arm is.

  • Bruce

    Joba has never impressed as a starter. Why keep pushing it? Face it, he sucks as a starter. The guy belongs in the pen.

    • Realist

      So Joba didn’t impress when he shut down the Red Sox right before all those Joba Rules every 7 day starts occurred?!

    • Kevin Winters

      Sucks?????? Based on what 44 starts lol. SMH

  • http://beatofthebronx.com Beat Of The Bronx

    I kind of agree. We’ve seen pitchers time and time again come back from Tommy John and just have dominant stuff (MY favorite, most recent example: Josh Johnson). Unless Cashman swoops in and trades for somebody unexpectedly, why don’t we scope out our rotation and Joba’s progress and let him give it another try in the rotation?

    People seem to forget that PRE-Injury, Joba EXCELLED in the rotation in 2008.

    2.76 ERA 10.19 K/9 3.44 BB/9 .55 HR/9 .243 AVG Against FIP 2.90

    What out of those above stats don’t SCREAM second chance?