Barry Larkin elected to Hall of Fame

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The BBWAA has announced that Barry Larkin is the lone inductee into the Hall of Fame this year. He received 495 votes (86.4%), well above the 75% required for induction. Larkin spent his entire 19-year career with the Reds, hitting .295/.371/.444 with 198 homers, 379 stolen bases, 939 walks, and just 817 strikeouts. During his peak from 1991-2000, Larkin hit .304/.392/.478. He made a dozen All-Star Teams and won the 1995 NL MVP. Needless to say, he’s very deserving of this honor, so congrats to him.

Yankees great Bernie Williams headlined the newcomers on the ballot, but he received just 55 votes (9.6%). That’s enough to keep him on the ballot another year. Tim Raines received 48.7% of the vote while Jeff Bagwell received 56.0%, up from 37.5% and 41.7%, respectively. That’s progress. Don Mattingly received 17.8%, up from 13.6% last year. Former Yankees Tony Womack and Ruben Sierra received zero votes. The full voting result can be found at the BBWAA’s site.

Baseball America’s Conor Glassey published a (free!) collection of old scouting reports for some players on this year’s ballot, including one on a 22-year-old Williams from 1991. That’s a worthy read.

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  • Darren

    Bernie deserves more than that, although I don’t quite think he’s a Hall of Famer. His defense was simultaneously overrated and underrated.

    One weird thing was how his notoriously bad arm suddenly got pretty good in his final year.

    Anyway, I miss him, what a good dude.

  • RetroRob

    Interesting write-up on Bernie. I know he was a good CFer and could cover a good amount of ground when he was younger, but I was surprised to read one scout say he has a good arm. That was always the weakest part of his game.

    The most interesting quote was from the opposing manager who said, “I sometimes wonder if Bernie knows how good he can be.” I seem to remember Joe Torre saying similar things about Bernie.

    Happy to see he got 10% so he will be on the ballot again. While I view Bernie as below the line of a HOFer, the fact that he played against many of the roidsters means he probably should stay on the ballot for serious debate.

  • Dan

    Raines was so much better than Larkin shows you how stupid the hall voting is.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      At least Morris isn’t in.

      • Jose M. Vazquez..

        If Morris does not get in Schilling should not get in. I consider Morris a better pitcher than Schilling who for me was always overrated.

        • Thomas Cassidy

          Morris led the league in almost nothing his entire career. I’d vote for Schilling no matter what happens to Morris, but I would never ever vote for Morris. I hope Moose gets in.

          But how the FUCK is Tim Raines not in?

          • Jose M. Vazquez..

            Morris led the league 3 times in the pitching triple crown as I heard Heyman say on MLB tv today.

            • Diamond Dan

              What triple crown was he referring to? Morris led the league in wins twice, strikeouts once, complete games once, and shutouts once. Those all came in different seasons.

              Morris’ ERA+ of 105 would be among the lowest of any HOF pitcher. He was basically only slightly better than average. He never had a WAR above 5.1 in a season. Schilling has done that 6 times. Even Mariano Rivera has done it once, and he throws less than a third of the innings in a season as Morris pitched.

              As easy as it is to hate Curt Schilling, Morris is not even comparable to him. Everything Jack Morris did, Curt Schilling did better, and that includes postseason pitching (Schilling was 11-2 in the postseason with an ERA over a run lower than his regular season ERA). Morris had a couple great postseason games, but overall he was only a slightly better pitcher in October than in the regular season.

              • Jose M. Vazquez..

                My apologies for not checking the facts as you did. I must have heard the wrong data from Heyma. I don’t think he would say something that is so wrong.

                • Jose M. Vazquez..

                  Heyman

  • tut

    Ron Santo also got elected. Compare him to Bernie Williams.

    • nsalem

      much lighter

      • Mister Delaware

        Ha. Wow. Just … ha and wow.

        (Santo is a 3B, a historically un-superstarred position, in a far tougher offensive era. He was absolutely a good call.)

  • Peter R

    0% of Ruben! Not even one joke vote?

    • Adam

      Yet one vote for Eric Young?

      Ruben was docked one vote for his home run trot.

  • Adam

    Scouting report should have included: “Switch hitter, but suffers from an unfortunate pair of glasses.”

  • UncleArgyle

    Glad to see Bernie will stay on the Ballot for another year. Its too bad he didn’t have a better personality, then the writters would have considered him more strongly. But in all seriousness, its an absolute joke that Kirby Puckett is in the Hall of Fame because he had a nice smile and played grab ass with reports, and a superior player like Bernie Williams won’t even get serious consideration. The Baseball Hall of Fame is a meaningless entity.

    • Robert

      There is alot of players that in the HOF that should not.

      • UncleArgyle

        Ergo it is a meaningless entity. Should be called “The Basball Hall of Fan and Writters Favorites”.

        • KeithK

          What else should it be? The Hall is about honoring great players and celebrating the game. It’s not supposed to be simply a list of top career fWAR players (or whatever metric).

          Have there been players elected to the Hall that i wouldn’t have voted for? Sure. Does that reduce my enjoyment of the place when I visit? Not in the least.

          • UncleArgyle

            “The Hall is about honoring great players and celebrating the game”

            Exactly, it should be about honoring great players. When it honors good players with great PR campaigns it becomes watered down and less meaningful. Its cool you enjoy Cooperstown, its a very neat place. But the voting methods for induction are so inconsistant and intellectually dishonest its hard to take the place seriously.

          • Plank

            According to their director, they are burdened with propagating right wing politics.

    • Jose M. Vazquez..

      I saw Bob Costas at MLB saying that Puckett was better than Bernie which is absurd. These guys then go on to talk about longevity. Bernie played 16 years with the same team. He was also one of the main cogs in us winning all those season and postseason games. It seems that when it is convenient they look at sabermetrics but not if it isn’t.

    • Diamond Dan

      Kirby Puckett received a lot of sympathy votes because his career ended so suddenly. I realize his career stats look almost identical to Mattingly’s and they were about the same age, but the difference between the two is Kirby Puckett hit .300 with an OPS+ above 120 in 4 out of his final 5 seasons, then he woke up blind in one eye and his career was over. Don Mattingly hit .300 with an OPS+ above 120 in 1 out of his final 5 seasons, and his chronic injuries made it hard to believe he would have been able to stay in a major league starting lineup in 1996.

      Bernie’s numbers are overshadowed by the juiced up players of his era, including some of his teammates. That’s not really fair to him, but it’s the way things are. He’s not the only one hurt by this. Bernie also doesn’t play well with the writers who follow the sabermetric stats, which make him out to be not just an below average fielder, but an absolutely terrible fielder with all-time bad range. A -12.0 dWAR for a center fielder is awful. He won 4 straight Gold Gloves in seasons where he had a negative dWAR. I don’t think that’s a fair stat, but I’m just saying that stat exists, and some writers look at that.

      • Plank

        Re: Puckett and Mattingly

        Similar numbers from CF and 1B means players not equal. And it’s not particularly close.

        Re: Bernie and 1990s.

        Every player benefited from the high offensive environment. Offense explodes after every expansion. The 90s had 2 expansions.

        Why do you assume steroid use started in the 1990s?

        • Diamond Dan

          Because that’s when we start to see more players excelling in the latter half of their careers. A baseball player’s prime has generally been around the age of 27. In the late-1990’s, we start to see guys like Mark McGwire hitting 65+ home runs a season when he’s 35. Then a few years later Barry Bonds hits 73 home runs at age 36. Rafael Palmeiro had his four highest home run totals in seasons where he was 34, 36, 33, and 37 years old. That’s from a player who was playing in the majors at age 21. There just aren’t many players from the 1960’s, 1970’s, or early 1980’s who had that late career surge.

          I assume steroids started showing up in baseball locker rooms in the mid-1980’s. Early users included Jose Canseco (of course) and probably several others. A decade later, they were everywhere. If admitted users like Canseco knew about steroid users before them, they would have talked about it. Canseco has shown he’s not above throwing someone under the bus, and the guys from the generation before him put themselves on a pedestal for playing “before the steroid era”. If Canseco could have knocked them off that pedestal, he would have done it by now.

          • Plank

            You brought up Canseco. He was the whistle blower on the entire steroids in baseball saga. There were massive and universal denials from every avenue of baseball when he first released his book. The truth eventually got out and Canseco was vindicated. Even though he was telling the truth, he’s still a pariah. He only told of the steroids that he knows about which was at the beginning of his career. If he had come up to the majors 5 years later, “the steroid era” would have started 5 years later.

  • Mariano’s Pimp Hand

    I got to see Larkin play AA ball here in Vermont (yeah, I’m old). He was obviously a standout player at that time. I’m very happy to see him getting into the Hall.

  • Robert

    All the guys on MLBN are saying that Schilling is a HOFer.If he goes in Moose needs to go in as well.

    • UncleArgyle

      I’d have no problem with Schilling being elected. The dude was pretty damn good. Mussina had a better career (with just as many big time post season moments) and should be in as well.

      • Jumpin’ Jack Swisher

        I don’t go crazy over the guys who get in. I tend to get more upset at the guys that don’t.

        Morris? Fine. Schilling? I don’t like the dude, but fine.

        I’d love to see Bernie in, but I’d rather see the rest of the dynasty core in before him.

      • Diamond Dan

        I agree that Mussina should get in, and I think he will, but he wasn’t nearly as good as Schilling in the postseason (7-8 with a 3.42 ERA vs. 11-2 and 2.23 ERA for Schilling). Mussina never won a ring despite playing almost all of his career on the team with the highest payroll (those late 90’s Orioles teams were stacked but underperformed). As much as I enjoyed some of Mussina’s great postseason moments, it’s not really fair to say he had as many as Schilling. But I do agree that they are both HOFers.

    • RetroRob

      Moose unquestionably should be elected.

  • Phife Dawg

    Really not lookin’ forward to Jack Morris making the HOF next year after 13 years on the ballot, you guys.

  • Tampa Yankee

    Really people?

    Vinny Castilla 6 (1.0%)
    Tim Salmon 5 (0.9%)
    Bill Mueller 4 (0.7%)
    Brad Radke 2 (0.3%)
    Javy Lopez 1 (0.2%)
    Eric Young 1 (0.2%)

    • Thomas Cassidy

      I’m not sure whether or not people actually think any of those guys are HOFers, or they just do it because they know a few votes don’t matter.

      I hope they don’t think they’re HOFers. But after McGriff and Raines not getting in, it wouldn’t surprise me.

      • Jose M. Vazquez..

        My belief is that Raines was linked to cocaine use during his tenure and that is why voters have been reluctant to give him their vote. The crime dog should be in no doubt about it.

        • Mister Delaware

          You know who else was linked to cocaine use? Paul Molitor.

    • RetroRob

      Bill Mueller got four votes? I guess we now know there are at least four recent Boston writers who have votes.

    • Diamond Dan

      Hometown voting is likely here. Remember, David Segui got a vote a few years ago. Not only was his career not even close to HOF-caliber, but he was listed on the Mitchell Report.

      The Salmon, Radke, and Lopez votes are excusable. They had decent careers and at times were considered star players. Castilla had a good season, so maybe those 6 voters just didn’t bother to look at the rest of his career. Bill Mueller… led the league in batting average once. Yeah, those 4 voters were probably high. Eric Young… well, he made an all star team and led the league in stolen bases once and triples once. I guess a writer didn’t want to see him get a goose egg.

  • RetroRob

    Morris went up to 67%. He has two more years on the ballot. He’s in.

    • Jose M. Vazquez..

      He had more wins than any other pitcher in the 80s. He was very good in the postseason and I liked him and wish the Yankees had obtained him sometime after he left Detroit. He should get in next year.

      • Doug

        If wins had any more than a passing connection to how good or valuable a pitcher is, then yes, Morris should be in.

        But since it doesn’t, then no.

        • Darren

          You are very wrong, sir.

  • Shamus

    Bonds, Sosa and Clemens next year…

    Who gets in first?

    Who even gets in, at this point?

    • Jose M. Vazquez..

      Unless a special pavilion for PED users is constructed, I do not expect any of these three to get in.

      • Plank

        Why do baseball writers, sports editors, and Jane Forbes Clark get to make that decision?

  • CMP

    If Jack Morris gets in, which it appear that he likely will, you absolutely have to put in Andy Pettite and especially Mike Mussina, who were both superior pitchers to Morris.

    • Mister Delaware

      There are probably 50 pitchers who need to get in if the standard becomes “more valuable than Jack Morris”.

  • Mister Delaware

    Who wants a stat? There are five pitchers who retired after 1980, have fallen off the HoF ballot who have more innings pitched than Jack Morris. Every single motherfucking one of them has a better ERA+.

    Tommy John
    Jim Kaat
    Frank Tanana
    Dennis Martinez
    Jerry Koosman

    That’s Jack Morris’ company. Maybe one Hall of Famer in there, and its not Jack Morris, its the guy with almost 900 more innings and the 111 ERA+ to Morris’ 105.

    (Morris is a bigger joke than Jim Rice, who was a big joke.)