Jan
18

Open Thread: Michael Pineda

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He hasn’t even thrown a pitch for the Yankees yet … hell, he’s not even officially a Yankee yet because the trade hasn’t been announced, but we’re already giving Michael Pineda his own open thread because today is his birthday. He’s turning the ripe old age of 23. That’s two years younger than Ivan Nova, a year and a half younger than Adam Warren, one year younger than Dellin Betances, and six months younger than Stephen Strasburg. Pineda is younger than all but 18 of the pitchers who appeared in the big leagues last year, and only three of those 18 threw more than 70 innings (Madison Bumgarner, Jordan Lyles, and Tyler Chatwood). Yeah, he’s quite young.

Once you’re done (electronically) wishing the soon-to-be newest Yankee a happy birthday, use this as your open thread for the night. Both the Knicks and Nets are playing, which sounds just awful. Talk about whatever you like here, anything goes.

Update: Please sign this petition to help fight SOPA, otherwise sites like this one won’t exist.

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183 Comments»

  1. Drew says:

    I’m so glad the Yankees don’t do the whole let’s change our jersey to Los Yankees and try and be cultural. #amuricaaaed

    • Rainbow Connection says:

      Who did that?

    • vin says:

      Agreed. It’s always lame when Los Lakers play Los Suns. You can honor that segment of your fanbase some other way. Of course the primary motivation is to get people to buy new, goofy-looking jerseys.

      • Mattchu12 says:

        I’m pretty sure that’s the only motivation.

      • Rainbow Connection says:

        Why do groups of people have to be honored, simply for existing (other than to make money off of them)?

        • Thomas Cassidy says:

          Because of liberals.

          All cultures should be respected, blah blah blah.

          • Craig Maduro says:

            Um, as opposed to conservatives who just want to sweep other cultures under the rug??

          • okyankee24 says:

            The only culture is American culture if in fact you are in America. Being conservative isnt a negative, its not accepting everything you dicks wanna throw at the rest of us and call it progression.

            • Tim says:

              Oh, no. No one is telling you how you should feel or what you should think about certain people who may or may not be different than you. But your own opinions shouldn’t infringe on anyone else’s ability to live the life they want to live, so long as it doesn’t personally or financially harm you.

              And by the way, what exactly IS American culture? Because I’ve lived in NY, Chicago, Cleveland, and North Carolina. I’ve seen many different versions of “American” culture.

              • YankyPanky says:

                This comes across as elitist know-it-all speak!

              • ethan jf says:

                Hmmm, back in the 19th c that’s what people said about the Irish–they’re not American, they need to learn to adapt to OUR culture. Now we consider Guinness, St. Paddy’s Day etc. to be part of our culture. We consider bagels part of our culture even though they were brought here by (gasp!) JEWS from Europe. We happily chow down on sushi, pad thai, Peking duck, chicken tikka masala, tacos, pasta, and hummus also. All of THAT is American culture AS MUCH AS apple pie, hamburgers, etc. In fact all of that is the essence of American culture — we take the best of what everyone brings to our shores and make it our own. (Hamburgers were German, remember? French fries hail from Belgium.) The LEAST American thing about American culture is people who reject this…

                I LOVE that I can go to the ballpark now and chow down a hot dog if I want — or a taco, or BBQ, or … you get the picture. That’s what makes ‘merica great NOT your rejection of “progression.” So hell if teams think making “Los XXX” jerseys is a way of recognizing part of their AMERICAN fanbase why the hell not? They’re not forcing anybody to buy the jerseys

        • vin says:

          By “honored,” they really mean “how can we sell them more of our product(s).”

        • MannyGeee says:

          El Heat takes offense.

    • Jamey says:

      My friend who is half Cuban & Mexican actually got annoyed by Knicks doing the whole “Nueva York” thing. His reason was that “New York” is “New York” no matter where you’re referring to it from, he said it would be like if he went by “Juan” when he was with his family but “John” to everyone that’s not hispanic.

  2. brucevodka says:

    Just watched the May 2011 game in Seattle that he pitched. Very easy delivery, the NYY announcers were very complimentary about him and he was very impressive. I wish I had bought that “Time forward” machine so I can get to opening day already!

  3. Monterowasdinero says:

    Did he/does he have a nickname?

    Michael Seeyalayda Pineda?

  4. CJ says:

    Nice work on age comps helps put him relative perspective.

    • Steve S. says:

      If he was in the minors at age 22, people would be talking about him ‘filling out’ and ‘adding a tick or two’ to his fastball. The lack of a 3rd pitch would be irrelevant, the talent would be all that matters.

      But since he performed at a high level in the majors last year, that’s . . . .worse for some reason?

      This is what I call prospect logic. Blinded by love.

  5. pat says:

    He kind of looks really effeminate in that picture, almost like a lefty trying to throw righty.

  6. Holy Ghost says:

    Is today the deadline for Darvish to sign with the Rangers?

  7. Rey22 says:

    Jamie Moyer to the Rockies! The legend continues. More than twice the age of Pineda.

  8. Dan 2 says:

    Who will be the first knucklehead NY sportswriter to substitute “pinata” for Pineda after a rough start?

  9. Overrated Packers says:

    Don’t forget to thank your conservative christian buddies for SOPA guys!
    Ahh, America. Where we pretend we have more freedom even when we don’t.

    • Rainbow Connection says:

      Why are you pretending one party did this? Obama’s involved, too.

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      Lets not even get this started…this should be a happy place, except during games then shit gets real.

      • Rainbow Connection says:

        “anything goes”

        The truth is that neither party party wants true freedom. Obama is *saying* he’s against SOPA, but supported the media fairness doctrine, which would *coincidentally!* take out radio shows he happens to not like. Both parties are completely full of shit. They are both enemies of the people of this country.

        • Overrated Packers says:

          i never said i favored democrats. And in all seriousness here, Obama is a Romney clone. We’re screwed no matter which direction we go. We need a true Libertarian, not that fake Ron Paul crap.

          • Thomas Cassidy says:

            Ron Paul is as libertarian as you can get.

            • YankeesJunkie says:

              I have heard many things, but never as a fake.

              • Thomas Cassidy says:

                Some people just don’t know what they’re talking about.

                “we need a real true Libertarian, not that fake Ron Paul crap” is an amusing quote because Ron Paul was one of the first members of the Libertarian Party founded in Barry Goldwater’s home.

                But let’s just listen to Fox News and what they say!

                • Overrated Packers says:

                  Ron Paul wants to take away the right to abortion, still believes in the gold standard, thinks that sodomy laws should be up to the state…. Yeah good luck with that stuff

                  • Thomas Cassidy says:

                    Sodomy laws? What the hell are you talking about?

                    And no, he doesn’t want to take that right away. You should research it at least before you form an opinion on him. He wants to return the right to the states, where it properly belongs.

                    The gold standard is where it needs to be right now. There is no value in paper.

                    • Gonzo says:

                      I’ve always been curious about why people want the gold standard. The US has roughly $400 billion in gold deposits. The M2 money supply is over $9 trillion. Wouldn’t a return to a gold standard cause some serious, serious issues there?

                      Also, private ownership of gold had to be seriously tinkered with when we were on the gold standard. Wouldn’t a ban/restriction on ownership be against a cornerstone of libertarian thought?

                      What would happen when China, Japan, etc… decided they rather be paid in gold? There would be no gold left to back any US currency.

                  • MannyGeee says:

                    Wait… I like sodomizing… This Ron Paul guy sounds all right.

                    • Tim says:

                      I think you are misinterpreting – by saying this should be up to the states, he is in effect saying that certain states can (and should) prohibit the act, as is still done in some southern states. As a fan, you should be opposed to Paul on this one.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              You might ask a woman or person of color whether they feel the same way about that.

        • YankeesJunkie says:

          Agreed…but still no politics or religion or things get nasty.

          • YankeesJunkie says:

            He was only in the LP when he ran in 88′ although his views are more in line with the LP than the GOP.

            • Thomas Cassidy says:

              He’s always been a Republican, it’s just that the party has turned to crap. He ran as a Libertarian in 1988, yes. But he’s always been a Republican and a Libertarian. More of a fiscal Republican, I’d say.

      • Ray Fuego says:

        I agree. It’s ok to talk about it but lets not start bashing political parties. I believe its both sides o fthe political spectrum. I shut down my design blog in protest today. http://www.theoatemeal.com al so has a hilarious take on it.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Okay, let’s end the politics stuff here. That never ends well.

  10. JJ says:

    Not that I see this happening, but since Pineda has options, can he be sent down to AAA for the first few months and to give the yanks anything? Like an extra year of control? Not sure how it works.

    • Bo Knows says:

      Doesn’t work that way, his clock started when he made the Mariners last year, we have 5 years with him (definitely longer if he lives up to his talent and skill)

      • Needed Pitching says:

        the time in the minors doesn’t count as service time
        he wouldn’t be a free agent until after 6 full seasons of MLB service time (25-man roster or DL)

        • Bo Knows says:

          his service time began last year it’s not going to delay his arbitration and the only thing this does for the yankees is hurt them.

          • Needed Pitching says:

            service time would not accrue during any time he spent in the minor leagues. Sending him down for a while would delay his free agency, but the Yanks won’t do it because they want him to pitch (and I’m sure the union would throw a fit and file a grievance)

            • Needed Pitching says:

              *I believe the time spent in the minors has to be at least 20 days for the time not to count as MLB service time

  11. Spicy Kuroda Roll says:

    Not gonna lie…I think not doing 6/110 for Darvish was a good play.

    • Steve S. says:

      I saw MLBN break down his 4 pitches. His fastball looks good, little tail on it. The curveball looks loopy, which doesn’t work in the AL East. The Slider was described as “slurvy”, which would be a knock if he was a prospect in this division, and the change looked good, some fading action.

      He looks like a FB-Change guy to me, with the other two needed work. That slurve and curveball is going to get crushed by MLB righties if he uses it regularly.

      Needless to say, not worth 111M in my book and Cash was right to bid modest.

      • Voice of Reason says:

        Figures to have much better control and fewer Ks, but his stuff and diverse arsenal reminds me a lot of the 2011 version of Ubaldo Jimenez.

  12. John says:

    Happy Birthday “sure thing”

  13. Gary says:

    Given how young he is, does anyone know if he’ll be on a pitch count in 2012? I don’t recall if the Mariners had him on one last year. It’ll be a slight letdown if there are going to be “Pineda Rules” to observe this season.

    • Needed Pitching says:

      they somewhat limited his innings by skipping his starts a few times in the second half, but he ended up with 171 innings. Yankees usually try to limit IP increases to around 30 or so, so he should be fine for about 200+ innings.
      As for pitch count, his season high was 110 in a start. I’d imagine the Yankees will be slightly cautious with his workload, but nowhere near the limits that Hughes/Joba have had.

  14. Jon says:

    so Yu signed with the rangers for 110 million

    wonder if he will be 30m better than CJ Wilson

    • Thomas Cassidy says:

      I hope not. And it’s not because it’s the Rangers that signed him, but how annoying it has been about him for the past year. I hope he turns into Igawa 2.0. I’d cream my pants.

    • Pat D says:

      No, Yu signed for $60 million.

      The team paid $110 million for him.

  15. Ryan says:

    Should be interesting to see how pineda,latos darvish and gio do on their new teams. Who will have a rough first yr and who will become an ace.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Gio will be what he is. Latos is the truth. Pineda will be nice. My money is on Darvish of the 4, but I think CJ Wilson is gonna have a tough go of it in LA tbh.

  16. PinedaColada says:

    How many people here would of preferred Darvish for 6/110 over the Pineda/Montero swap? I personally am alot happier with Pineda even after the loss of Montero

    • dean says:

      I’d rather have Darvish and Montero than Pineda…..but then I could care less about the money

      • Mike MzX says:

        +1, but overall this is pretty good deal… and has calmed my previous anger over the Yankees token bid for Darvish. This was a pretty slick move from Cashman, not one I expected.

        • dean says:

          We have to give it time, probably won’t really know if it was a good move or not for a couple of years. They do have some very interesting young arms now in house now….

      • dan gen says:

        agreed, no one hits like montero….he will be missed…only way i am happy is if they sign the fat guy.

    • FachoinaNYY says:

      Damn first good Pieneda name ive seen, unless ive mussed some.

      Well done.

    • Rookie says:

      Darvish would be instead of Kuroda. They could still have done Montero plus Noesi for Pineda and Campos.

      The question is who’d rather have Darvish for five or six years than Kuroda for one year?

      • Mike MzX says:

        I’d rather have Darvish for 5 or six on one hand, because I do believe this guy is gonna become the best Japanese import pitcher we’ve ever seen in MLB.

        On the other hand, there’s a lot of stellar arms that may be on the market in the next off season or two. Matt Cain, David Price, Tim Lincecum, this list goes on. So on the other hand, it be nice to be able to bring in another already established big game starter, instead of gambling on Darvish (who looks like a good bet, but you never know for sure).

        • Joe R says:

          No need for a gamble with Darvish when you can give the same amount of money or maybe less seeing how stacked the market will be for a proven top of the line starter.

      • MannyGeee says:

        Kuroda for one. As much as I loved and pined for Yu, still a roll of the dice bigger than any we’ve seen in a decade on this team. Bigger than Pineda, bigger than CC, bigger than Pavano or even A Rods abortion.

        At least with Alex, you knew you’d get some good before alot of bad. Yu offers no such assurance.

        But I still wanted Yu…. Real real bad. No homo, of course

    • Steve S. says:

      I’m not sold on Darvish, and even if I thought he was a finished product I would still have questions about how he will react here. The price tag was something you pay for elite production, and he hasn’t proven he’s worth that yet IMO.

    • Dave says:

      Darvish 6/110 minus whomever they couldn’t bring in trying to get under luxury tax.

  17. P says:

    Who would win a bareknuckle boxing match- Pineda or Bentances.

  18. Avi says:

    I can’t get the thought of Prince big daddy in pinstripes out of my head.

  19. dean says:

    Hopefully Texas will drop out on Prince and he won’t want to go to Washington and Boras calls the Yankees to talk about a 1 year deal.

    • Mike MzX says:

      I doubt Fielder is gonna want to take the 1-2 million the Yankees are willing to spend for a DH. I also doubt the Yankees would offer him anything more than that, it’s a buyers market for Prince… and the Yankees aren’t buying.

      I guess Prince Fielder should have made a club friendly extension deal with Milwaukee before this season and avoided FA until next year. Going on the market with Pujols made him worth much less.

      • CMP says:

        I’d bet my last dollar that Boras gets him a deal for $150+ million.

        It may not be in an ideal place for him but when has Boras ever failed to get his client a huge money deal?

        • Mike MzX says:

          Yeah, but usually his clients are a hot commodity. Fielder, because of a strange lack of need among the big spenders, is not a hot commodity at the moment. The teams that could really use him, don’t have the money, or wont spend it (Hrmph, Blue Jays, Hrmph.)

        • Soriano Is A Liar says:

          Ryan Madson?

        • Sarah says:

          Edwin Jackson?

        • dean says:

          Johnny Damon, Edwin Jackson (so far) , Ryan Madson, Adrian Beltre (the first time he tried)….look he usually does but sometimes the market he’s after just isn’t there and when it’s not Boras does have a history of trying one year deals and trying again the next season. It’s highly unlikely…but not unthinkable.

        • Avi says:

          Totally agree with CMP. I would bet my bottom dollar and borrow more that Prince gets at least $140M.

      • dean says:

        I think it’s possible they’d find more than the 1-2 million for him if it were just a one year deal…stretching short term likely would be less of an issue as it would still allow them to stay flexible for the dreaded 2014.

  20. Mike MzX says:

    Speaking of a DH, with the news of discussions with Damon and Matsui who would you prefer (if either) to return to the Yankees.

    I’d go with Matsui, everyone loves the guy and he’s just about finished… would be nice to see him retire as a Yankee and I think his bat could still find the short porch.

    Damon really wants to get to 3,000 hits, and I doubt he’s gonna get enough plate apperances in NY to do that. He’d be better off on a team that could use a good clubhouse guy, like Baltimore or Oakland.

    • Karl Krawfid says:

      Give me Damon. Damon is a breath of fresh air in his post game interviews. Too much sugar coating from everyone else.

      • RkyMtnYank says:

        I prefer Damon at this point too. It’s funny, during his interviews it always sounds like he is trying to catch his breath at strange times.

        • Frank says:

          When he was younger, he had a stuttering problem. In an effort to control it, sometimes he speaks slowly and pauses so that he can connect his words better.

      • nsalem says:

        Signing someone because they should retire Yankee’s or they give good clubhouse interviews is truly a fabulous criteria for the acquisition of a DH. I really like this idea.

        • Karl Krawfid says:

          Choice was between Damon and Matsui. I responded to his post and picked Damon. No reason to post last years stats. My ultimate choice would be to trade for Billy Butler.

    • Steve S. says:

      All the old guys pretty much suck. Damon, Matsui, Ibanez, and Vladdy. They all OPSd below what the average was at DH last year, even when you look at their R/L splits. The Yanks need elite production as a team with championship aspirations. None of those guys make sense.

      The two that work are 1-Pena and 2-Betemit. The problem is they’ll both wnt to get paid AND get playing time, and I’m not sure the Yanks can offer both to either of them. That’s why I’m starting to think the opening day DH will be an internal guy like Vazquez, who sucks but could be a placeholder until you find something on the waiver wire or via trade.

  21. Slu says:

    I don’t know. I like watching the NBA and the Knicks and Nets. I prefer basketball to hockey, to be honest. Don’t get me wrong, I like hockey, I just like basketball more.

  22. Holy Ghost says:

    The Mariners need Jesus more than the Yanks. He could probably bat cleanup for them on opening day

  23. Favrest says:

    I think he wins the CY award this year. 24-5.

  24. CMP says:

    MIke, how about a scouting report on the Cuban pitcher just declared a FA, Gerardo Concepcion?

  25. PinedaColada says:

    So Hamels just signed a 1 year deal. Doesn’t that all but guarantee that he becomes a FA next offseason? It also sounds like he wants to be a free agent his agent was quoted as saying his client will determine what his market is and they will give Philly a chance to match it. But the yanks can just throw Sabathia money at him.

    CC
    Hamels
    Pineda
    Nova
    Hughes

    Oh god I gotta change my underwear

  26. murakami says:

    Five days after the fact and I don’t feel any better.

    I feel like I did in ’89 when the Oilers sold Gretzky to the Kings.

    Sick to my stomach.

    • Monterowasdinero says:

      We have to move on. We are going through the usual stages of grief. Normal, painful, rationalizing, processing, accepting grief.

      I am just glad I have the MLB package so I can watch the Yanks followed by the Mariners even if I may only stay up to watch Montero’s first ab.

      Bat him 3rd please Seattle!

    • MayhemPuppet says:

      Really Dude? Like the Gretzky sell? GRETZKY!?!?!

      • Steve S. says:

        Of course. This is exactly the same as trading away the best player in the history of the sport. The Montero deal reminds me of how I felt as a young Red Sox fan when they traded Ruth to the hated Yanks for a pile of money to bail out Frazee’s bad debts and Broadway pipe dreams.

        No No Nannette, my ass (shakes fist)

    • Tim says:

      Hey, by the way. What did the Oilers do in 1990? Were they any good? And how many cups did Gretzky win in LA, STL, or NY after the deal?

  27. CUYanks says:

    The true question is, what is the Sterling call when Pineda hits his first interleague hr?
    Ready, BEGIN:

  28. A.Garcia says:

    Hey RAB support the cause against SOPA!

  29. Tipsie says:

    Happy Birthday to you
    Happy Birthday to you
    If you pitch like Ed Whitson
    Cash will wish he’d signed Yu

  30. Tyler says:

    Anybody know what number Pineda will wear? Or do we need to wait until it’s officially announced?

  31. Karl Krawfid says:

    http://www.gettyimages.com/det...../137296549

    What do you guys think? Big Slim 2.0?

  32. Turd Ferguson says:

    So now we know Fausto Ca… er Roberto Hernandez Heredia is 31, not 28. I wonder what Pineda’s real name and age are.

  33. Matthew G. says:

    Yo no soy Marinero, soy Yankee now, soy Yankee now! Ah, la Bomber …

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