Mar
30

Michael Pineda dealing with “sore” shoulder

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Via Erik Boland and Marc Carig, Michael Pineda complained of soreness at the back of the right shoulder following tonight’s start. The right-hander also said he was flying open in his delivery, causing his fastball to cut. It’s been cutting all spring, really. There’s almost no chance Pineda opens the season in the rotation now, but the shoulder soreness thing is obviously worth monitoring.

Update: Jack Curry said during the broadcast that Pineda was sore before the game but didn’t tell anyone. He did describe it as normal soreness, however. Sweeny Murti said the Yankees will play it safe and send Pineda for an MRI in the morning. For what it’s worth, his pre-trade MRI was clean.

Categories : Asides, Injuries
  • Cy Pettitte

    heads better roll in the front office

    • Needed Pitching

      clearly they should have predicted Pineda would have shoulder soreness on March 30 when they agreed to the trade on January 13

    • Plank

      It’s a Jump…to Conclusions Mat.

      • boogie down

        That’s the worst idea I’ve ever heard of, Tom.

    • Bryan__from NZ

      http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

      Back of the shoulder might be the rotator cuff

    • LB

      The idea of the trade was admirable. Can’t fault Cashman on this despite how much it hurt giving up on Montero, but it does look bad now, real bad. I’m concerned too. The moral of the story, do not trade away prized homegrown talent.

  • Pasqua

    Cue people losing their shit in 3…2…1…

  • Brian S.

    LAT?

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com Mike E

    Andrew Marchand just reported that Michael Pineda also has a stupid face.

  • Paul VuvuZuvella

    Doomed…

  • jim p

    If Cash or Seattle didn’t say “no backsies” I guess we have nothing to worry about.

  • Nemesis

    [img]http://mystiqueandaura.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/jackz.jpg[/img]

  • You’re* Right

    Where is DM? What a dumb ass.

    • DM

      I’m here. He’s cutting his fastball. Did you read that? Or do you still think cutters should hit 97? Or didn’t you realize it was a cutter until Cone confirmed what myself and others saw but you couldn’t see? I’m sure Cone checked pitch f/x before trusting what he saw on the monitor. lol.

      • You’re* Right

        hah-hah you’re a dumb ass

        • DM

          Just like last time, underneath the crowing, I knew you didn’t have anything to say.

          • You’re* Right

            “Oh noesss our new pitcher is sooo smart he decided NOT to throw hard because he could become Greg Maddux instead”

            I got your tshirt I got your fingerprints you are so dumb, you are really really dumb. You can run an tell dat

            • DM

              Still nothing, huh?

              • You’re* Right

                No, I said you were stupid. You’ve backed THAT up yourself. Stupid dummy.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  How old are you, six?

                  • Plank

                    So’s your face.

                • DM

                  That’s what I thought. You’ve acquitted yourself quite well here. Very clever.

  • Marcos

    I really hope everything is OK with Pineda and his shoulder.
    Somehow I have a feeling this isn’t the first time he’s felt something this spring…
    And I don’t mean to sound pessimistic or hindsight…istic, but I have a feeling Seattle might have known something, hence why they were so open to trading him.

    Anyway, get better Michael and get back to throwing 96+!

    • Needed Pitching

      ” hence why they were so open to trading him.”

      had nothing to do with getting an elite hitting prospect in return, and already having more pitching than hitting

      • Marcos

        Oh no, Montero is amazing IMO, but honestly if you had asked almost anyone if they would do Pineda and Campos for Montero and Noesi almost everyone would have said that you’d need to add a prospect or two to “make it fair”.
        Hell, look at how much more Jack Z wanted for 4months of Lee!

        • Needed Pitching

          I think the consensus was that the trade was very fair for both sides

          • Marcos

            I meant pre-trade, Gio was costing us Montero + a B, Ubaldo was Montero+,
            Pretty much every serious trade proposal in the last 2 years was Montero +; and those were for older, less cost controlled pitchers; where for Pineda it was essentially (Essentially being key word) a straight up 1-1.

            In fact, I remember a lot of people thinking that it was a “good trade” becaus both teams delt from strength, but those same people were saying that value wise, Seattle may have gotten the shorter end. I guess we’ll see about that in a few years…

            • Needed Pitching

              not sure Gio for Montero + a B or Ubaldo for Montero+ could be considered serious trade proposals. I don’t think the Yankees would have seriously considered either of those deals. What another team asks for and what is actually fair market value are generally 2 very different things.

              • Bo Knows

                look at the haul Gio and Ubaldo cost…those most definitely equivalent to Montero+ several very good prospects

          • CJ

            Nobody questioned fairness of deal. Question was hitter or pitcher? Those against cited fragile nature of pitching and higher probability of significant injury.

            • Needed Pitching

              seems like Marcos was questioning the fairness, but maybe I misinterpreted.

              “but I have a feeling Seattle might have known something, hence why they were so open to trading him.”

              “but honestly if you had asked almost anyone if they would do Pineda and Campos for Montero and Noesi almost everyone would have said that you’d need to add a prospect or two to “make it fair”

              “but those same people were saying that value wise, Seattle may have gotten the shorter end.”

    • Rookie

      I think the stats show something about pitchers who are traded, as a group, on average, underperforming those who are retained by their original teams. That shouldn’t be surprising, of course.

      I suspect Jack Z. traded what he suspected was damaged, or at the very least very fragile, goods for a player the Yankees thought had massive potential, but had attitude issues that might keep him from realizing it.

      If that’s true, it’s sort of funny in a way,

      But hopefully, it’s just “normal” shoulder soreness and no real issue.

      • Rookie

        I wonder if Jack Z. connected some dots the Yankees didn’t know about to connect Pineda’s shoulder to his weaker second half (whatever FIP, etc., might say).

        • Bo Knows

          you do realize the velocity was basically the same, outside of the last start of the season?

    • LB

      This has the potential of being the worst trade in Yankees history,

  • TurdFerguson10

    Stick a fork in ‘im. Ca$hman got pwnd.

    • Evan3457

      Yes because the pre-trade physical showed a shoulder injury.

      Oh, wait. No, it didn’t.

  • Paul VuvuZuvella

    How much time does Pineda have to spend in AAA for the Yanks to get an extra year of team control?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Eleven days.

    • Needed Pitching

      at least 20 days, I believe

      • Needed Pitching

        from the last CBA:

        “If a Player is optionally assigned for a total of less than 20 days in one
        championship season, the Player shall be credited with Major League
        service during the period of such optional assignment(s).”

        It’s possible the rule changed in the new CBA though.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Good point, my bad. I was just thinking in terms of pure service time, not that he had to stay down for the full 20 days.

  • Manny’s BanWagon

    Good thing they didn’t trade Freddy yet as we all hold our breath until Pineda goes for the inevitable MRI.

    • Rookie

      A very important point, MB. Again, like the old saw/truism, you can never have enough pitching.

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com Mike E

    This whole scenario is oddly similar to Phil Hughes last year.

  • Plank

    He can’t be demoted if he goes on the DL now, right? His DL time will count as MLB service time unless I’m mistaken.

    • Plank

      With the obvious caveat that his shoulder could be perfectly fine.

    • Needed Pitching

      yes

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Right, they can’t send him down if he’s hurt.

      • Manny’s BanWagon

        But if he goes on the DL and they send him to AAA to make 4-5 starts when he comes off, that should be enough to get the extra year of control, right?

        • Plank

          I’m not sure how that would work. If the Yankees are sending him down for injury reasons or service time reasons, he would file a grievance and win. If they send him down for performance, that would be fine.

          • Needed Pitching

            pitchers can be assigned (with consent) for minor league rehab assignment of up to 30 days (this would count as ML service time) To get the extra year of team control, he would have to be optioned to the minors after the rehab time was over (and stay down at least 20 days)

            hopefully, its nothing serious, and he is back much sooner though

  • sangreal

    No excuse for hiding the injury from the Yankees (according to YES). That said, this is exactly why you don’t worry about having too many starters

    • LB

      Personally, I’d rather see Pettite start in place of Pineda come May. This will be a developmental tear for Pineda, with occasional work from out of the pen, and a few spot starts in August and September. We won’t see him until at least June.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Thanks Doogie. I hope the Yankees don’t waste their time or money with the MRI and just use your diagnosis.

  • MrPappageorgio

    I hate Seattle. They pushed Cashman’s shit in on the Cliff Lee deal and now they have Montero and we have a power pitcher who can barely break 90. Shoulder issues are very bad for pitchers. Hopefully it’s just a fluke or this trade is fizzucked.

    I was really looking forward to Pineda blowing hitters away with 98 mph heat.

    • Justin Maxwell’s Silver Hammer (formerly Rainbow Connection)

      Hottest comment ever.

  • V

    d00d’s shoulder was hurting before the game started.

    No one ever accused pitchers of being smart :-(

    • Plank

      He said it was sore. There is a big difference between soreness and hurting to me.

      • Manny’s BanWagon

        Not really.

        I’m sure the Yankees wouldn’t have let him pitch if had said he was “sore” either without making sure it wasn’t something more serious.

        • Plank

          I’m sure they wouldn’t have let him pitch and would have sent him for tests. But that doesn’t mean him saying he was sore before the game is any indication of an injury.

          • Manny’s BanWagon

            I agree and I’m not overly concerned about a little soreness but the Yankees have a lot invested in Pineda and he should know better than to hide shoulder soreness from the staff.

            Even if this injury isn’t anything major, I now think he should start the year in AAA to get his shit together with the Yankees gaining an extra year of team control as a fringe benefit.

            • Rookie

              Am I correct that if Pineda had been able to hide his injury from the Yankeees and he managed to start the year on the 25-man roster and then went on the DL that he would have accrued service time in the majors — so that it would be very much in his interest (at least in that way) to hide any such injury from the team?

              • Needed Pitching

                he would accrue service time while on the DL as well, even if he didn’t start the year on the 25-man roster

                • Needed Pitching

                  *assuming the injury came before he was optioned to the minors (which would apply in this case)

                • Rookie

                  Thanks, NP. So there’s no advantage to him for being on the 25-man roster?! Wow.

                  • Needed Pitching

                    if he was optioned before the injury, then he would go on the minor league DL and he would not accrue service time. Otherwise, he would go on the ML DL and service time would accrue.

        • Plank

          I did 50 burpees yesterday and I’m sore. I’m certainly not injured, though.

          • Foghorn Leghorn

            how can they wait until morning for that MRI??? Fire up that machine now. We’re not sleeping until we get the results!!

            • Manny’s BanWagon

              Damn straight.

              Throw Pineda’s ass on the corporate jet and drop him on James Andrews front porch. We want answers NOW!

            • Mortimer Duke

              Turn those machines back on!!!!!

              • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

                Wilson, get back in there and sell…SELL!!!

          • V

            Burpees = throwing a baseball in the mid-90s. For one, no one in the universe will care if you do any permanent damage to your shoulder.

            • Plank

              I was just using an example to highlight how injury and soreness are different things.

              Thanks for the sentiment, though. My cockles are warmed once again.

          • DM

            I smell a CrossFit WOD.

            • Plank

              My girlfriend did CrossFit and turned me on to it. I just do burpees, planks, pushups, pullups, and running.

              • Foghorn Leghorn

                Plank does Planks?

                • Plank

                  I realized that as I was typing it.

                  My screen name comes from a combination of Eddie Plank (a lefty like myself who went to the same school as me) and Planck’s constant since I was a freshman in college and thought I would be a physics major at the time. I used to use the name Eddie Planck’s Constant, but people abbreviated it to Eddie all the time, so now I’m just Plank.

                  My real name is Burt Reynolds.

                  • Foghorn Leghorn

                    Interesting. So you are Cano’s cousin?

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com Mike E

    ESPN might be a bigger Yankee troll than Bobby Valentine.

    • Johnny

      Which is worse: those two ESPN NY guys (they shall go unnamed) or the ESPN NY commentors?

  • Jackson

    Don’t worry, it’s only spring training!! No need to freak out!! I’m sure a little Vicks Vapor Rub will do the job and he’ll be back blowing 89 mph missiles past hitters!!

    Obviously a very big concern, with shoulder involved. I initially hated the trade, sort of warmed up to it, and now I’m left in the cold hating it again.

    • Nemesis

      The Jesus Montero angle is why people are on the edge if he was just a cost controlled prospect trying to make the team it would be different.

      • Jackson

        Exactly, the whole problem is compounded by the fact that we got rid of our best hitting prospect in years for him, not to mention another decent arm. Who would’ve thought Noesi would be the one hitting mid 90s while Pineda was stuck in the low 90′s?

    • MH18

      I hated this trade to begin with. Hell, I think we can dig back through here and see where I said that I thought Pineda’s shoulder was injured. I’m gonna go ahead and say he’s going to be a non-factor this season. Either a DL stint until the All-Star break with mediocre results there after or done for the season and released sometime by 2014.

      Either way the Yankees will regret trading Montero for a guy who was only good for about 2 months last season.

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    This headline is making me as nervous as a whore in church

  • Paul

    And I was looking forward to montero hitting 35 hrs and driving in 90 runs. We have young arms in the farm. Cash an panicked too fast

    • Nemesis

      I don’t think he panicked I think he tried to look like the smartest guy in the room.

      • Plank

        Why is aspiring to be the smartest guy in the room worthy of derision?

        • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

          Well, if you *are* the smartest guy in the room it’s a sound strategy. If you’re not…

    • qwerty

      You can still watch Montero doing that.

  • Another Bronx Dynasty

    Why wouldn’t Seattle have traded King Felix & kept Pineada? A healthy Pineada was better cost controlled than King?

    • Needed Pitching

      Felix >> Pineda

    • Plank

      The Mariners exist to win baseball games and make money. That’s why they kept King Felix.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      I’m sure that they still would rather have traded Pineda if Felix had a sore shoulder and Pineda did not.

      • Rookie

        Bingo. Great comment, Clay!

  • Paul

    A whore in church is probably where she belongs. A broken down pitcher is worse

  • Gonzo

    Hoping we escape a Hughes/Matusz year from Pineda.

  • Paul

    I thought the exact same thing. U trade a potential star like montero u go for Felix and not a rookie who won ten games this smells bad

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      The Mariners were NOT trading Felix.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Pineda is also a potential star. It was a potential-for-potential, need-for-need deal.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      Solid logic, because they chose Pineda over Felix. Using wins was a nice touch to your tremendous argument as well.

  • pistol pete

    Glad the Yanks didn’t jump and trade any of their pitchers and how true is it that you can’t have too much pitching. Guess Nova stays, for now. We’ll see who Andy replacs in late April early May. Also, looks like Cash might have gotten fleeced on the Pineda deal. I guess all of those who worried about Pineda’s velocity were right on the ball. Don’t like shoulder injuries, far worse than elbow trouble. Hope it’s just early season just not in shape soreness but I don’t like the sounds of it. Seattle is proving to be a bad trading partner.

    • Rookie

      All good points, pistol pete.

  • Johnny

    Mark Feinsand ? @BloggingBombers

    Brian Cashman just told me Pineda will have an MRI on his right shoulder.

    • Reggie C.

      Its only procedural … its only procedural … its only procedural …

      (breaks down in tears)

  • Reggie C.

    Wow. … Cashman better re-release that patience statement. I think I need to hear it now.

    I wasn’t concerned much with tonight’s bad start, but now … i’m sweatin. This aint the small stuff.

  • Paul

    I still hate the trade. How often do you get a hitter like montero. Last year we left loads of men on base and we could have used his bat. When we got rid of Lowell I was angry y
    Too

    • Plank

      Team LOB% is a luck stat more than a skill stat. The Lowell trade was 13 years ago.

  • Kevin

    We got conned..all there is to it. Once again Cashman shows how dumb he is.

    • Evan3457

      Yes, because Pineda’s sore shoulder was known about before they traded for him.

      Oh, wait, no it wasn’t.

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    you all need to calm down….mri’s on ball players are a dime a dozen. hell, granderson had one the other day and he hit a collosall bomb of pappeldoutch tonight!

  • Manny’s BanWagon

    Talk about disappointing.

    I asked for the Dominican Verlander, not the Dominican Mark Prior!

  • Paul

    Cash is inpatient because of wanting to win now we have young arms in triple A Cash must be pissed tonight. Wonder what Seattle is hiding. After last year with lee I am surprised cash dealt with them again

  • Gonzo

    We’ll all know more in a day or two.

  • Karl Krawfid

    Cabral is hurt also.

    • Gonzo

      Oh snap. Where’s “Stairs” Rapada?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Sounds like the rest of the bullpen guys got revenge.

        • Gonzo

          They were all out of town when the sh*t happened.

  • CJ

    Maybe the MRI will show he’s 20 pounds overweight.

    • Manny’s BanWagon

      Maybe it will show a ham sandwich stuck to his shoulder blade.

  • ABomb

    Am not going to write off the trade as yet, however as a general rule, when there are not that many competing teams looking at the target (Pineda in this case, though maybe there were a lot of other teams looking at him), a policy of “wait until towards the end of spring training” does not seem like a bad idea.

    Makes more sense since we were looking for immediate (that is 2012) rotation help and sophomore pitcher slump and poor discipline in terms of preparedness is pretty well documented. I wish Cashman would have shown his much advertised patience in making the trade, unless there were serious suitors for Pineda, when he offered up Jesus Montero.

  • LeftyLarry

    I’m guessing the shoulder was bothering him a bit in the second half last season and that’s why he rested all off season and didn’t do anything, hoping it would heal.
    Too bad, kid has a good attitude and pretty good poise.I’m not writing him off but forget this season.
    It’s Phil Hughes all over again.
    Let’s hope Pineda is throwing 94-95 next season.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      Forget this season? A bit extreme, no?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        What other way is there to think in times like these?!?

    • Rookie

      Maybe the Yankees can send him to Colon’s doctor preventively — before it gets worse.

      • Rookie

        Maybe they should send ALL of their pitchers there before they have any shoulder issues.

  • Monterowasdinero

    Not telling about soreness before the game is inexcusable. So much at risk. He could have had an MRI done without even pitching tonight. Dumb. Not being able to throw a fb without it cutting is also scary.

  • Robert

    If Pineda is hurt or does not perform Cashman and the whole front office needs to go. Pineda was hurt before the trade add all the team doctors as well.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      Damn, wish you were in charge with that kind of irrational decision making.

      • Robert

        If Pineda was hurt before the trade and did not find it this is the second major mistake in 2 years.1 is mistake , 2 is a pattern.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

          So the whole front office should be fired?

        • Plank

          Just to go down the rabbit hole a bit, what was the other major mistake?

          • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

            I’m assuming he referring to the Hughes situation as a “major mistake” on the docs part.

            • Robert

              I was referring to Feliciano.You know the 8 million dollar LHP that has thrown a total of 0 innings.

              • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

                …and once again, the entire front office should be canned for this?

              • Needed Pitching

                you realize it is possible for players to get injured after they are acquired, right??? And that no physical exam, no matter how extensive, can predict future injuries if the player is healthy at the time of the exam, right???

  • Plank

    Just to be clear, there is still no indication that this is anything. He’s just getting sent for an MRI because he was sore. Remember when Robertson would miss significant time because his foot was mangled and when Chamberlain almost died? I’m going to take a wait and see approach before assuming the worst.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      Exactly.

    • Justin Maxwell’s Silver Hammer (formerly Rainbow Connection)

      I’m going to have a look-see at your wait and see approach!

    • Manny’s BanWagon

      LOL

      2 weeks ago Robertson was out for the year with a lisfranc and last week Joba was being fit for a prosthetic leg.

      • jsbrendog

        but de jobber IZ DE DEAD!!!!!!!

        • FachoinaNYY

          I don’t know why but this had me rolling on the floor

    • DM

      I’m also wondering if Pineda brought it up only b/c he got shelled — maybe as a reason (excuse). He might just be in that “dead arm” period pitchers get who didn’t throw over the winter. Mendoza always had tendonitis and inflammation at the end of ST b/c he didn’t do crap in the off-season.

  • jsbrendog

    this thread only reinforces how much i hate yankee fans…an i am one. sigh

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      I feel you man.

    • Justin Maxwell’s Silver Hammer (formerly Rainbow Connection)

      I hate Yankee fans, too.

      • jsbrendog

        bu bu bu bu but…..why? i don’t want to!!!! but….ughh!!!

  • Bo Knows

    Its amazing all the new tags that have shown up….hmm makes me wonder

  • Robinson Tilapia

    If people in the distant future ever want to know when the comments section here jumped the shark, this thread may officially be that point. What a bunch of fucking stupidity.

    Crossing my finger and hoping for the best.

    • Plank

      It’s just because of the time of year I think. The comments section is open to all, which is great, but it attracts the sports radio listeners who check in on the Yankees at the beginning of the season so they aren’t lost in conversation when their buddies are talking sports. The by-product is having people with insane viewpoints because that seems like the only way to discuss sports if you listen to WFAN.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

        I dunno man. There’s still a ton of damn fools on here throughout the season too.

        • Plank

          I resemble that remark!

    • bonestock94

      It’s true, the comment section used to be good 2-3 seasons ago

      • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

        It’s still good, it’s still fun. I assume there’s just more commenters now, leading to more absurd statements/ideas/opinions.

        • Havok9120

          This. It is still an awesome comment section.

          • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

            What’s missing are the likes of TSJC who would take oodles of time patiently running down and pointing out the absurdity of the absurdity. The absurdity then had a tendency to not return.

            For my part I can’t be bothered.

      • Plank

        I spent a year travelling the world. Everywhere you go, people will say “This place used to be so much better a few years ago.” Everywhere this happens – it’s universal. I even caught myself saying it a few times.

        One day, I was at a guesthouse in Darjeeling with a view of the Himalayas just above the horizon. There was a small book shelf with really old books. One of them was written in the early 1900s by a traveller who wrote about his time in Darjeeling. He said it was good, but he was told it was much cooler 10 years prior.

        My Point? Good posters constantly come in and drop out. It’s not better or worse than ever, it just seems that way. If there is a real difference, it’s cyclical.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

          Interesting take. Sounds like you’re living a heck of a life too.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Plank is the most interesting man in the world. :)

  • Havok9120

    So, I seriously considered reading this whole thread. I did. But then I scrolled to the bottom to comment on the topic before anyone could irk me and saw all of the regulars, on both sides of the issue, clutching their heads in pain at the tone of the comments.

    Boy am I glad I scrolled to the bottom first.

  • Question

    So was Andrew Marchand and fellow main stream media types right to question Pineda’s Velocity?
    And was the Yankee Blogosphere wrong to be outraged about those articles?

    • Mister D

      Why all the Weird caps in Your post?

    • Havok9120

      You’re asking this question 3 days too early. His shoulder could be fine.

      It it ISN’T, you’ll definitely have a leg to stand on with this argument.

      • Question

        With all due respect, I’m not sure if I am asking it too early. The shoulder could be fine and I hope it is, but I think those journalists were correct to bring up the velocity concerns in their articles this spring.

        And on the other hand, I think some of the writers on this website, Yankee Analysts and It’s About The Money were too dismissive and some showed indignation on the issue raised.

    • Plank

      The converse could also be true. He could have pitched when he shouldn’t have to silence the critics when he should have rested instead. If there hadn’t been the pressure, this could have been avoided.

      Obveous caveat: He’s probably fine.

    • bonestock94

      Reminds of the reaction people had to any suggestion by the mainstream writers saying that Cliff Lee didn’t want to come to NY

  • mike_h

    Freddy must be happy now, so the rotation will look like this:

    CC, Kuroda, Nova, Garcia, Hughes with the pen looking like this:

    Mo, Soriano, DRob, Logan, Wade, Rapada, Mitchell/Warren/Phelps

    hurray for depth

  • fin

    Well if he does have an issue like Hughes did last year, it seems he is much better equiped to pitch through it than Hughes was. Hughes was having trouble hitting 88/89mph. Pineda is still hitting 94 with much better secondary offerings. I am concerned though that there has been some sort of an issue all spring and it has gotten worse throughout and tonight he finally came at least partially clean.

  • paul

    just home from the game. pineda was awful and now we know why. just great..just great. and cesar too…guess rapada is the lefty. both looked good. dickerson stud catch as well as rookie z almonte…grandy hit a bomb and d wise hit 2 out. brett and jete had a miscomm on a fly ball…freakin pineda though…dang it…

  • MB

    I really think people have to hold off before saying who won and who lost this trade. Barring another trade, the M’s and Yankees are goign to keep these 2 young players for the next several years. It will take more than 1 season to determine who came out a winner, or if the trade fit well for both teams.

    If you want to stay for the start, maybe it worked better for the M’s because Montero is fine and Pineda is hurt a bit, then that’s fine and I won’t disagree.

    But no one should go out of proportion and act as if this is the end of Pineda’s career.

  • Jonathan

    Coming from a guy who used to have a 1.8 pop time and threw in the low 90′s in HS and ended up having 6 shoulder surgeries and counting…pain in the back of the shoulder is the worst place to have it. I’ve had almost every thing you could possibly do to a shoulder (rotator cuff cleanup and repair/SLAP repairs, AC joint surgery, bicep tendon detachment and repair, multiple shoulder blade surgeries etc etc) at least once and had a whole different host of surgeries and when I had pain in the back it ended up being the worst every time. That doesn’t mean he’s done but coming from A LOT of personal experience I’m very worried.

    • Plank

      Your experience =/= His experience.

    • DM

      Hmmm… Unless he’s got Joba’s strength and pain tolerance, I have some hope b/c he was still hitting 94mph. It’s difficult to do that with significant damage.

      • Jonathan

        In my experiences with major shoulder damage my velocity and arm strength varied greatly where some days my arm was hanging and I could barely play catch and others it seemed like I could throw at full strength. If you look Wang’s FB velocity was 91.8 in 2008 before he hurt his arm again and 91.8 in 2009 when he was dealing with shoulder problems. It is definitely difficult to hit 94 with an arm tear but still possible if you’re capable of touching triple digits at full strength.

        • DM

          I have some experience with that too — but I could never throw that hard to begin with. Maybe he’s just a bull like Joba but it was hard to imagine him throwing some of the pitches he did with serious damage. When I hurt my shoulder, just sitting with my arm at my side could be incredibly painful. I can’t imagine unloading and trying to throw harder like I saw Pineda do last night. The tendonitis/inflammation “dead arm” thing made more sense to me. If he called for the trainer and took himself out that would be different. He threw too many pitches in those few innings for me to be convinced he was seriously injured.

          • Jonathan

            I used to put a handful of icy hot under both armpits when i was catching so the sweat made it burn so badly that my mind didn’t think about my shoulder. Because when I’d go to throw down to 2nd or 3rd or a snap throw to 1st my brain would anticipate the pain and kind of shrink away and pull back on the throw. But I could still throw well with my labrum torn, it just hurt like hell after each throw. So the icy hot made my brain not focus on the upcoming pain. This was the first injury though. Once i got into several major shoulder surgeries (the last one was 5 procedures in one) I couldn’t do that and it was like how you described. A lot of it has to do with how supported your shoulder joint is in the first place, pain tolerance and I suppose luck. Each shoulder injury is different. I never thought he had like a complete tear but i was worried about a partial labrum tear. I really hope the doctors read his MRI correct and it’s nothing. We’re going to need him. And obviously most baseball fans know this, but I live it, shoulder injuries aren’t like Tommy John surgery. Think of Johan, Kerry Wood, Wang and SO MANY others.

  • Another Bronx Dynasty

    Soreness or tightness behind shoulder, coupled with a lack of velocity sounds like a torn rotator cuff.

    • Bo Knows

      or it could be tendinitis like Latos had last year, or severe inflammation caused by overexertion from an unconditioned body like Hughes.

  • jjyank

    Wow. I’m glad I didn’t stick around for this last night. I just read the whole thread, and I wish I hadn’t.

    Let’s stick to reality here: Pineda has soreness. We do not yet know what that means. It could mean nothing, it could mean something. Let’s take a step back from the edge until we get the results of the MRI, shall we?

    Cashman, contrary to the opinion of many here, is not “stupid” for making the trade. You may not have agreed with it, and I respect that, but let’s stop pretending that Cashman traded for damaged goods and there was something he could have done to know about it. Pineda had an MRI and a physical prior to the trade and he was clean. What exactly did you all want Cashman to do?

    Even if Pineda has a shoulder problem and is shut down for a little while, it is NOT the end of the world. The kid is 23 and under team control for the next 5 seasons. His career is not over. I understand he will always be scrutinized because we gave up Montero for him, but it is simply not possible to analyze the winner and loser (if there will ever even be one) of this trade for at least a couple of years. Everyone bashing Cashman for losing Montero and gaining this “fat, lazy bum with a busted shoulder” is conveniently forgetting two important things: 1. Pineda could in fact be fine. Pineda could in fact end up having a long and productive career, regardless of the outcome of this MRI. Nobody knows, so stop pretending like you do. 2. Why does everyone assume Montero is a known commodity? He has spend all of 1 month (and one series this year) in the majors, yet everyone acts like we gave up a future hall of famer for Pineda. Lets wait this out a few years and see if Montero lives up to the hype before we crucify Cashman for this trade.

    I am not trying to blindly defend Pineda and Cashman, but it seems like everybody could use a dose of reality for now. Chill out everyone.

    • mustang

      Your key mistakes:

      1-”just read the whole thread” I made the same mistake hoping for the best but knowing the worse we should of just pass on it.

      2-”Let’s stick to reality here” LMAO!

      3-”What exactly did you all want Cashman to do?” Make this team a winner while not trading anyone, not spending any money and developing all-star HOF players from within.

      4-” Pineda could in fact end up having a long and productive career” Never he is a bust.

      5-”Why does everyone assume Montero is a known commodity?” Because he already on HOF ballot.

      6-”Chill out everyone.” NO! Its a whole week before opening day and the playoffs are right around the corner its panic time.

      7-Writing this logically sound comment and that was your biggest mistake.

      Thank you for trying.

      • jjyank

        Hahaha fair enough. I’ll go back to LoHud and ESPN NY for more training.

        • mustang

          Return when the force of stupidity is with you my young Jedi.

          • mustang

            Live long and prosper

  • Leg-End

    DOOOOOOOOM.

  • jjyank

    Just an example of why this might not be the end of the world: checked on the status of my fantasy team this morning, which includes Neftali Feliz, and his update was the following: “RHP Neftali Feliz bounced back well after missing a week following a bit of shoulder soreness. He pitched four innings in a minor league game March 27, and though he started slowly, he hit 96 mph before the end of the evening. Feliz is now on schedule to make his first start of the season April 10 vs. Seattle.”

    I know Feliz and Pineda could very well be completely different cases, but I’m just trying to bring a bit of optimism in the sea of negativity that is this thread.

  • http://jukeofurl.wordpress.com Juke Early

    Baloney. That fat old Jack keeps jobbing the Yankees. If Pineda starts the season on the DL or in Triple A, Cashman should commit Seppuku on the stadium mound. Who did he consult on this one that skanky ho? Jack Zzzzzzz is probably laughing it up with Pud everyday about this one.

  • Another Bronx Dynasty

    This was not a FA signing but trading a stud hitting machine in Montero, that all teams in the league wanted.

    Granted we are all waiting for todays MRI but it’s kind of unusual that all sprin he hasn’t touched 94+ & last spring in Seattle he was at 97? Also tigtness behing the shoulder? If it is a torn rotator no one is saying he wont come back….but can he ever be the pitcher he once was at 97-98? If you read up on rotator cuff recoveries the answer is no.

    I hope for the sake of the yankees future I am wrong.

  • mustang

    Just wow to this whole thread never knew so many Yankees could act exactly like Mets fan.

    • jjyank

      Agreed, disappointing. Can we at least wait for the MRI results before we freak out?

      • mustang

        Why? We all know results don’t try and insert logic into this moment of great panic.

    • Bo Knows

      I would suspect a few aren’t really fans but just trolls….then their are the backseat drivers who think they could run the team better despite the fact most (probably all) of their ideas are either very dumb, or have no chance of happening outside of a videogame.

  • Sal

    Jack Z “Dirty Sanchezed” Cashman!

  • Cesar “Stairs” Cabral

    You still have me, bitches. OUCH!

    • jjyank

      Actually, I think Rapada “stairs’ed” you last night as well. RIP Stairs!

      • Cesar “Stairs” Cabral

        Ha! I still have other elbow to type from while on 6o day DL!

  • Smart

    That’s why you don’t trade anyone named “Jesus”. It will come back to haunt you.

  • Another Bronx Dynasty

    Not to make Yankees fans even more pissed we could have kept Jesus Montero & had the stud pitcher anyway:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....=mlb_t2_a6

    When will Hal & Cash learn that George was the King of F.A.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      George was the King of F.A.

      LO-fucking-L.

    • mustang

      Yes because he is MLB proven and plays for free.

    • mustang

      BTW Be a Yankees fan from 1981 to 1995 and from 1996 to now then tell me what Hal & Cash could learn from George.

    • Manny’s BanWagon

      God forbid there’s something seriously wrong with Pineda but the Yankees could still throw a ton of money at Cole Hamels this offseason who’s a much more sound investment than Darvish.

    • Zack

      LMAOOOOOO….

  • True blue

    I think, while a bit over the top in many cases, the reaction is expected. When you trade the best hitting prospect the franchise has seen in the past 25 years you want a big return. By big one doesn’t expect the guy to hit camp fat. You also don’t expect the guy to hover in the high 80′s for most of camp and leave his last start with pain often associated with a rotator cuff injury.

    This trade will be scrutinized like no other, If there is anything in the MRI the reaction is going to be insane and Cashman (right of wrong) is going to get killed.

  • Justin Maxwell’s Silver Hammer (formerly Rainbow Connection)

    I miss Bartolo.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Would it be one of the royally suckiest things ever as a modern Yankee fan to have Pineda go down with a shoulder issue while Montero gives the YES fans the finger every time he rounds the bases? Yes.

    You know what, though? That doesn’t stop the next 162 games from needing to be won. This is why there’s five hopefully MLB-ready (or close to) pitchers sitting in AAA waiting for an opportunity. This is why, if you’re a David Phelps or Adam Warren, you make every opportunity count. You could wind up as the mainstay in the rotation we all thought someone else will be.

    Here’s to seeing Pineda ready and back as soon as humanly possible. Here’s to not whining about it.

    • Monterowasdinero

      Montero won’t do that. He is a humble man of no fist pumps. Banuelos, Mitchell and Phelps may get more of a chance and that is good.

      I hope Pineda bounces back, his tests are negative and he pitches in Baltimore next week.

  • Bavarian Yankee

    Pitchers get hurt every now and then, so I’m not too worried. Now’s the best time for something like this to happen because the Yanks have some depth when it comes to starting pitching.

    btw: I can’t believe some of the reactions. Are the Yanks doomed because 1 pitcher is hurt? Good god.

    • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

      Well if you use that kind of reductivist perspective, of course not. But you’re conveniently leaving out the part of the analysis wherein we gave up the best Yanks hitting prospect in a generation. And since his pre trade MRI was clean then it simply demonstrates the reality that pitching is more fragile than hitting.

      I’m wait and see on Pineda, and therefore the trade. But he and the trade can still be a complete bust without the Yanks being doomed. Come on man.

      • Bavarian Yankee

        I never talked about the trade. The trade made sense when it was made, nobody knows for sure how everything plays out. And btw, you forgot that Montero can bust too.

  • chcmh

    I don’t have fancy stats or the in-depth knowledge for the game some of you guys on this blog have, but I’ve been watching Pineda and I have to say I’m not knocked out by the guy. Not his ‘stuff’ (or lack thereof) but the way he carries himself. He always looks like he has a little cloud over his head, he shakes his head in disbelief all the time, he stalks around the field like he doesn’t belong and is lost, he looks uncomfortable out there, to such a degree that I’ve had some doubt how this young man would do in the Bronx. His motion is wild and has a ton of moving parts. How the team straightens this guy out I haven’t a clue, but I doubt he’s ready to be a Yankee and I think they’d do him a great favor sending down for now.

  • Manny’s BanWagon

    It doesn’t apply to Pineda because he wasn’t a Yankee till recently but I think they in general the Yankees may want to adjust their offseason training policies because it seems when these pitchers come to camp in less than tip top shape and then get thrown into a competition for their job, bad things tend to happen. We saw it last year with Hughes and now the situation with Pineda seens eerily similar. Hopefully the injury is minor and 2012 won’t be a complete washout for him like 2011 was for Hughes.

  • bpdelia

    iterally cannot in good conscience post what myACTUAL comment was to this. To be honest the lack of any concern, especially at RAB, was annoying. That being said it is quite common for hard throwers to see a significant vel decrease in their second years. Im thinking verlander and greinke and a bit less lincecum. I think pineda has the slider and command to get through this year effective but it seems lots of these guys let the foot off the gas after first success. I think he will be fine and i expected a step back year followed by a great year next year.

    The real story here is the kind of blogodphere echo chamber that develops as an over reactio to irrational fans. It was CLEARLY disturbing. Even with his peripherals and slider if pineda pitched last yr at 89-91 there is no freaking way montero is traded for him. Hell if this was his starting vel he would have been no better than a top 75 prospect. Its the command vrlocity slider COMBO that makes him salivatingly tantalyzing.

    It will be fine but he wont throw 97 this year. After build up he will be 92 94 and next year we will see the real pineda.

    • Fin

      It was just a rational reaction to people calling for Pineda to be sent to AAA after 8ip in St. That was stupid. There was no cause for concern as he was still getting good results. Most of us assumed he was fatigued from last year and using ST to build up his arm strength and endurance and it was backed up by him increasing his velocity a little bit each start. It was easy to invision him back to full force in the first month of the season.
      I think the rest of your post, knowing what we know now, is a reasonable expectation of what Pineda’s 012 season might turn out to be. Though I think its far from the sure thing you make it out to be. A month or so of extended ST and he could be back to throwing like he was last year.

  • Fin

    The one brightside of this situation is that the Yankees have so much depth in the rotation this year that they dont need him to pitch right away. He wont have to get shelled for a few weeks like Hughes before being shutdown. That could have been a disaster if he performed like Hughes did last year, it may have been hard for him to come back from. He would have been hated by the fans immediately.
    Now he can get extended ST and go from there, kind of become the forgotten man as the regular season starts and more immediate topics push him to back burner.
    I’m just hoping its not a complete lost year for him like it was for Hughes. While the situations are similar, what gives me hope for Pineda is that he has much better stuff than Hughes did when Hughes got shutdown last year. Barring a rotater injury, I still expect Pineda to be a major contributor this year.

  • Sal

    Bad News. Pineda tears rotator cuff…. done for the year.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  • Another Bronx Dynasty

    If I even look at Clemmens recored when he was at Toronto & than his first yr in New York it was disappointing. It wasn’t until his 3rd yr he became a Cy Young monster:

    YR AGE TEAM
    1998 35 TOR AL 20 6 .769 2.65

  • Sal

    Sorry Mike . I could not wait 13 Hrs. to drop an April fools bomb.

  • Another Bronx Dynasty

    Trying to look at the bright side even Clemmens had problems initially coming to NY. Looking at when he was at Toronto & than his first yr in New York it was disappointing. It wasn’t until his 3rd yr he became a Cy Young monster:

    YR AGE TEAM W/L % ERA
    1998 35 TOR AL 20 6 .769 2.65
    1999 36 NYY AL 14 10 .583 4.60
    2000 37 NYY AL 13 8 .619 3.70
    2001 38 NYY AL 20 3 .870 3.51 ****CY YOUNG WINNER 97/98/2001****

  • Fin

    Whew, disaster averted. MRI revealed shoulder tendinitis. Pineda on 15 day DL. http://yankeesfansunite.com/