Report: Yanks must get under threshold in ’14 & ’15 for rebates

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Via Marc Carig, the Yankees have to stay under the $189M luxury tax threshold in both 2014 and 2015 to qualify for the revenue sharing rebates under the new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Union head Michael Weiner told Carig that he expects the team to do just that, then spend like crazy come 2016.

Here’s the question: If the Yankees get under the threshold in 2014 only, does that mean they get rebates in 2015 but not 2016? Or do they not get rebates at all if they’re only under the threshold for one year and not two? It’s going to take a while to sort all this stuff out, but at least time is on our side.

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  • RetroRob

    Carig should have asked Weiner why he agreed to a plan that would restrict the Yankees spending, thus potentially slowing the salary growth of his union members.

    Overall, though, I think the union totally won in this last CBA because of the restrictions on the free agent draft and international signings. If teams like the Yankees can’t easily supplement the MLB team with cheap talent, then that forces them to spend more money on free agents.

    • Havok9120

      And there you have a possible reason to sign the CBA despite spending restrictions. Its all trade offs, and he got the better end of the deal.

  • Women’s Lib is Ms.Guided

    I’ve kind of been hoping that the Yankees get under the $189M threshold for 2014 and have such an efficient infrastructure in place that they wouldn’t really need to spend a ton more.

    I also think Cashman has more leverage with a budget than with a blank check and the financial restraints have made this team more likeable. With unlimited spending the expectations become unreasonable and any adversity gets turned into a crisis.

    • Jake

      My only concern is that the Yankees are trying to reach that number despite having an enormous amount of their payroll tied up in just a few players (Arod, Tex, CC, soon Robbie). It’s going to force them to make some really difficult choices and likely pass on players who could help them win simply because of the price tag.

      I also don’t understand why they seem to have cut back on spending in Latin America and on IFAs, given that’s a way to bring a lot of talent into the organization without splashing out huge contracts on free agents.

    • murakami

      Just curious, you who run this blog:

      How is “Women’s Lib is Ms.Guided” any different than someone putting up a username like “Blacks Should Have Remained Slaves?”

      Or would that be alright with you, too?

      Awaiting your answer.


      • joe

        You sir, are a knucklehead. We wait for your apology.

      • murakami

        So, is a moderator going to answer my question?

        • joe

          It’s a pun, a play on words “ms. guided” in other words, womens lib is lead by women. I can’t believe I had to explain that

        • Mike Axisa

          Are you going to give me more than a half-hour to live my life? I didn’t realize it was offensive.

          WLISG — please change your handle.

          • The Moral Majority is Neither

            I’ve changed my user name, but let this be a warning to the rest of you.

            First they came for the communists, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.

            Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

            Then they came for the pun users, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a pun user.

            Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

            • Eirias

              Ms. Guided is clearly a pun. They must have missed you…

              • Havok9120

                He’s saying that he is a pun user, they came for him, and now fewer people will be left to help if “they” come for us.

                Or, his newest pun/bastardized quote is saying that.

            • Chad Gaudin the Friendly Ghost

              What the hell is happening?

              • Havok9120

                Nothing important.

            • DM

              I think Buckwheat put it best when he said…

              “Me too neither, uumph!”

            • The Oberamtmann

              I will pretend you’re not just an obvious troll for a second and respond. Please tell me you are not conflating the persecution and oppression of deliberately targeted groups with the extension of suffrage and equal rights.

              • DM

                Nice. I can’t add much but to say also that “Woman’s Lib” (capital W, capital L), the official “Movement”, could be legitimately criticized on many fronts without being against the concept of equal rights.

          • murakami

            Thank you.

            Much appreciated.

            • Havok9120


              I like you, but you’ve made me sad.

          • Havok9120

            That’s because it isn’t if you aren’t open to being offended by the jokes other people make. Or their opinions if he actually believes the pun.

          • Rainbow connection

            THIS is why America is doomed.

      • PBFog

        Hey, stop giving a shit and chill.

  • Women’s Lib is Ms.Guided

    Do you not understand the pun?

    It’s from Mad Magazine.

    • bpdelia

      Eh except there is a huge politically powerful group of people believe that pun is actually true. He is somewhat right. Its offensive and mad magazine was horribly offemsive stupid and reactionary conservative at times. I loathe the name too. And most importantly the pun isn’t even slightly funny or clever. Its just dumb.

      • CS Yankee

        Lighten up, Francis


        • awy

          no, it is just bad

      • Havok9120

        Good Lord man. You’ve just slandered every joke ever aimed at, well, anybody in the history of mankind as “too offensive to post.”

      • RetroRob

        If we start censoring based on how dumb a post or a name is, then things will get very quiet around here.

  • Moboy

    The only way to get under the $189 threshold than don’t sign Cano after ’13 and hope Jeter retires gracedfully after ’13 which is the only was to do that.

    • Women’s Lib is Ms.Guided

      Jeter has a $8M option for 2014 with a $3M buyout. Would the buyout count against the $189M for 2014? (If they can do this every million counts.)

      • Needed Pitching

        Unless the rules changed in the new CBA, it seems he would count for about 13.9M in 2014 if he exercises his option, and about 4.26M in 2014 if he declines his option

        Or that could be wrong, the CBA language regarding player options gets quite convoluted.

        • Havok9120

          I think if he retires completely after 2013 (which I can’t imagine him not doing if he declines his option), then we don’t even owe the buyout.

          I’m no expert, however.

  • UYF1950

    I believe they do NOT get the Revenue Sharing Rebate unless they stay under the threshold for BOTH 2014 and 2015. However they do reset the luxury tax percentage back to 17.5% even if they just get under it for 1 year.

  • Needed Pitching

    From the MLB press release with the summary of CBA changes:

    The revenue sharing funds that would have been distributed to the disqualified Clubs will
    be refunded to the payor Clubs, except that payor Clubs that have exceeded the CBT threshold
    two or more consecutive times will forfeit some or all of their refund.

    This doesn’t seem to mesh with what Carig is stating, but since he apparently was speaking with the Union Chief, maybe he’s correct.
    Seems like there have been some conflicting reports on this stuff, and we won’t be able to know for sure until the new CBA is actually made public (if it ever is).

  • Gonzo

    I’m ok with this because I have no other choice. Even if it means saying goodbye to Cano and Grandy, I won’t break a sweat.

    • Accent Shallow

      I just made a face.

    • Craig Maduro

      Cano is not going anywhere. What team in this day and age allows its best player to walk? Not even close to happening.

  • RetroRob

    The top part of this chain is disturbing.

    • Havok9120

      Eh, wot?

      • RetroRob

        The murakami nonsense.

        • Havok9120

          Ohhhh. Didn’t get your use of “chain.”

          But yes, yes it is. Rather disheartening.

  • Uncle

    Cano and Granderson will both be retained.

    The Yankees have 70-80 million coming off the books after the 2013 season. They also have like 50 million coming off after this season. I think they can afford 40 million of that to go to Cano/Granderson.