Game 22: Win it for Hiroki


That's a 70 pitchface. (Ronald Martinez/Getty Images)

Hiroki Kuroda has been alternating bad and very good starts for the Yankees during the first month of the season, and the today the clocks points to a stinker. Thankfully it doesn’t work like that, the fact that he’s alternated good and bad starts doesn’t make him any more likely to get hit around today than the weather or his choice of breakfast cereals. CC Sabathia did his part to set the rotation straight yesterday afternoon, and now it’s time for Kuroda to follow his lead and repeat his strong effort against the Rangers last week against the Orioles tonight. Here’s the starting nine…

SS Derek Jeter
CF Curtis Granderson
DH Alex Rodriguez
2B Robinson Cano
1B Mark Teixeira
RF Raul Ibanez
3B Eric Chavez
Russell Martin
LF Eduardo Nunez

RHP Hiroki Kuroda

Tonight’s game starts a little after 7pm ET and can be seen on YES. enjoy.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    I really don’t get it. Girardi plays a guy (Nunez) who is a terrible defender over a guy who won 10 gold gloves (Jones) and is still perfectly capable of handling OF duties. They’re both RHB so that excuse doesn’t work. I’d certainly take the slight downgrade at the plate from Nunez to Jones if it means the substantial upgrade in the OF defense from Jones to Nunez. Also, Jones hit a homer yesterday AGAINST A RHP!!!

    smh Girardi…

    • 28 this year says:

      My guess is that the Yankees want to evaluate whether Nunez can play the outfield. They don’t have the option to send Nunez down to figure this out cause of the injuries so they have no choice but to roll the dice. I don’t necessarily agree but at this point in the season, its better to keep evaluating to see what you have.

      • MannyGeee says:

        If Ibanez can man a corner, then you got to at least try Nunez back there. That and oh yeah, after Jones & Nunez you got no one who can have a go out there. Got to see if Nunez can hack it, because if not you got to make a move for someone down in the Traveling Circus to man the emergency OF role until Swish and Gardner are 100%.

        It is what it is, Nunez has been baptized by fire his entire ML career, why should this be any different. And oh by the way, the book on Nunez is he can get to it but wings it over Teix’s head. Not as big an issue from 250 ft out.

        • Havok9120 says:

          Not to mention that a series against Baltimore at the end of April is something of a perfect time for experimentation.

  2. MannyGeee says:

    Ibanez in RF gives me piss shivers… He’s gonna hurt someone back there..

  3. Guest says:

    So, I went to FanGraphs to check on how Grandy is doing in terms of WAR. To the naked eye, it looks like he’s had even more of those seemingly catchable singles dunk in front of him in the past. I wondered if the defensive numbers corroborated what my eyes were seeing, and if they were bad enough to mitigate his wonderful offensive production.

    Well. He is currently tied for 8th amongst AL centerfielders in WAR, ahead of only Cody Ross, Cobly Rasmus, Vernon Wells (but of course) and Michael Brantley.

    All of this despite having a .411 wOBA and 160wRC+ to go along with 8HRs, 18 R, 16 RBI, and a 1.002 OPS. Not shockingly, the culprit has in fact been the defense. He already has a whopping -7.2 defensive rating according to Fangraphs. Next closest is Cespedes at -2.7. That’s a HUGE gap.

    I know these defensive metrics are not very good and need to be taken with a grain of salt. That said, if the eye test and the metrics lineup, perhaps there is something going on here with Grandy’s defense.

    Given Ibanez and Nunez (may whatever deity you believe have mercy on our souls) are his outfield partners, I’d advise Kuroda to stick with the sinkers tonight.

  4. Clyde Barrow says:

    The outfield is an absolute disaster because of the two injuries. Kuroda better get a lot of Ks and groundballs. At least Nunez can’t do any damage in the infield.

  5. Cy Pettitte says:

    no error!

  6. Greg says:

    HIs sinkers are up so far. That means trouble

  7. NoH says:

    Has anyone else heard that Mccarver thinks that climate change has caused more home runs?

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Yeah I heard that over the weekend.

      • Samuel Pacarro says:

        McCarver reasoning and intellect profiles very well for the Climate Change community. Very sharp & scientific process in deducing their theories. The science is settled, no dissenting opinion allowed or needed. Excelsior!!


  8. Cy Pettitte says:

    ok now I’m impressed

  9. Greg says:

    There’s the good splitter

  10. flamingo says:

    One inning, 9 pitches, 2 Nunez catches.

    I’ll take it.

  11. Stratman9652 says:

    Every ball will be hit to left tonight.

  12. Clyde Barrow says:

    LOL! Ibanez would have nosedived 3 feet from the ball and let it go past him. Nice job by Nunez.

  13. MattG says:

    It’s nice to see Nunez brought all his grace with him to the outfield.

  14. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    Did I hear that correctly – Hammel named his kid Beckett?

  15. Wow, that’s one defensively strong outfield…

  16. Mike Nitabach says:

    Anyone hear a statement from Girardi why A-Rod is batting third and Cano clean-up?

  17. Greg says:

    Hammel throwing hard. 92-94 mph

  18. MattG says:

    There is no place where the word “defense” can’t be replaced with the word “fielding,” and the sentence would not be improved. Please tell me what they are defending? There is no goal, no end zone, no hoop.

  19. balls 3&4 were right down the middle according to gameday, can somebody watching confirm this?

  20. Greg says:

    Tight K-zone by the ump. For both pitchers

  21. Clyde Barrow says:

    That umpire is just going to sit there all night. Kuroda needs to adjust. Our offense needs to be patient and wear down the starter. Take the BBs like we did yesterday.

  22. Cy Pettitte says:

    fucking Ibanez

  23. Mike Nitabach says:

    Fuck, Ibanez!

  24. flamingo says:

    And… why can’t we play Jones?

  25. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    Early jump

  26. Clyde Barrow says:

    What a clown. That’s Swisher’s play and he would have made it.

  27. Mike Axisa says:

    Andruw catches that.

  28. Greg says:

    Dang that was shoulder high according to gameday

  29. RetroRob says:

    Uggh. A decent RFer has that ball.

  30. Mike Nitabach says:

    Yeah, Nunez!

  31. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    Nunez makes a good catch against the wall one pitch after Ibanez botches one.

  32. FachoinaNYY says:

    Holy shit this begining is insane

  33. Need Pitching says:

    Kuroda looking very shaky so far, too much up in the zone

  34. Clyde Barrow says:

    Nunez rarely plays the outfield and he’s better than Ibanez by leaps and bounds. Ibanez should never play the field ever again once Gardner returns.

  35. so apparently Sterling is trying this new thing where he starts out in an absolute flat voice says a ball hit to ____ field in the air. Making you feel like the ball is going to be an easy play then all of a sudden, in the same dull voice, “he’s going back” then all of a sudden “ITS ON THE TRACK!!!!” like it’s inches away from being gone.

  36. radnom says:

    The Yankees converted Soriano into an OF (according to Kay)?

    I always thought that happened post-Arod trade.

  37. RetroRob says:

    Kuroda gave up two long flyballs in that inning, but he should have been out without giving up a run.

    • pistol pete says:

      Agree, Ibanez should have made that play, made it look a lot harder than it was, if he got to the wall he would have caught it shoulder high, but hey they didn’t sign him to play outfield much only in an emergency and that’s what tonight is with Gardy and Swisher out.

  38. Cy Pettitte says:

    put that run on Ibanez’s ERA. someone needs to start tracking that.

  39. willx says:

    How do they give that guy a hit when ibanez dropped the ball?

  40. sangreal says:

    Kay has been reading RAB

  41. Tony says:

    This umpire has one very small strike zone

  42. Dave says:

    More importantly, Boyle returns tonight.

  43. Mike Nitabach says:


  44. flamingo says:


    Let’s keep this guy healthy, okay?

  45. Professor Longnose says:

    Cha me some vez!

  46. RetroRob says:

    Chavez seems to have rediscovered his power stroke this year.

  47. Cy Pettitte says:

    fucking Chavez man, he looks so much better this year, wow.

  48. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    Chavez has already matched his HR total from 2010-11.

  49. Greg says:

    Right down the middle for a homer

  50. Clyde Barrow says:

    And Ibanez shouldn’t even DH anymore because Chavez is our DH vs righties!!!!!!!!

  51. I know Girardi loves to have speed in the 9 hole, but I feel like Nunez should be batting 8th and Martin 9th

  52. flamingo says:

    Nice at bat by Nunez.

  53. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    Was Nik Turley this year’s sleeper prospect? He got a shout out in latest BA issue.

  54. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    Tex is still a beast out there.

  55. flamingo says:

    Nunez getting a good workout out there.

  56. Cy Pettitte says:

    Nunez highlight reel tonight, this is…just wow…

  57. Havok9120 says:

    Okay, that thing I said about preferring a tight zone to an insane one? It doesn’t apparently apply tonight judging by the Gamecast. This just looks plain silly.

  58. Electric Nunez aka the shocker says:

    He electric in the outfield too

  59. Tony says:

    There could be some great GIFs created if Nunez were to play the outfield regularly

  60. Greg says:

    That first pitch was a ball in the first two innings

  61. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    Jeter isn’t just hitting like it’s 1999, he’s really looking good getting down the line too.

  62. jjyank says:

    Just got here. Stupid classes. What’d I miss?

  63. Countryclub says:

    A lot of weak contact from Jeter recently. Walks and infield hits keeping the obp up

    • Professor Longnose says:

      He hadn’t been walking that much until yesterday. (Or was it the day before?)

      • Countryclub says:

        Yeah, 4 walks in previous 3 games.

        • RetroRob says:

          Jeter’s walk rate has a tendency to go down when he’s in a good hitting streak. I’m taking the increased walks lately represents the opposite, and that he’s not quite as comfortable at the plate.

  64. 2009 A-Rod puts that in the RF bleachers :(

  65. Chip says:

    Is it just me or does Cano look a lot more patient this year?

  66. flamingo says:

    3 innings, 58 pitches for Hammel. Didn’t realize the Yanks were seeing so many pitches.

  67. forensic says:

    Jeter’s last 16 PA’s have been 8 groundballs, 4 walks, and 4 strikeouts. Hasn’t hit a ball in the air in 4 games. Obviously not much sample size, just hope it’s not a sign of him reverting back to pre-DL Jeter.

  68. Clyde Barrow says:

    If Phil bombs tomorrow, and he will bomb tomorrow, Andy needs to come up immediately. Rehabbing Andy is better than Hughes and Garcia.

  69. Pat D says:

    Damn Caps.

  70. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    If they call Andy up after one more start, I’d much rather pitch him against the Mariners than the Rays. They have an off day after the KC series so they can configure the rotation.

  71. So I was watching the highlights from Harper’s debut, not only can this kid rake…he hustles his ass down the line (which I wasn’t expecting cause he’s an arrogant prick) and threw from deep left to home on a line, the runner would’ve been out too except the catcher dropped the ball.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      You can thank the MSM for that. They spent the last two years tearing him down because hey, that’s what you do to famous people.

      There is no reason to boo Harper, he should be applauded because he’s an important part of baseball’s future.

  72. jjyank says:

    Anyone else think Sterling’s new call for Ibanez should be: “Voldemort…..goes YARDemort!!”?

  73. Clyde Barrow says:

    We’ve got him at 72 pitches through 4. Should be able to get him out soon and feast on their pen.

  74. flamingo says:

    Ha, it’s the fifth inning an hour after the start of game.

  75. jjyank says:

    Whoa, what? Dylan Bundy didn’t allow a hit to the first 40 batters in his professional career? That’s nuts.

  76. rawbrain says:

    “you got to get up to get down”

    gotta love kenny

  77. Need Pitching says:

    Orioles getting BABIP fucked tonight

  78. flamingo says:

    Ooooh, Susyn and Feinsand talking about Low A.

  79. RetroRob says:

    Was that one of those new Yankee shifts again?

  80. jjyank says:

    Wow I am so glad I’m not a Pirates or an O’s fan. 19 and 14 straight seasons of under .500 ball, respectively. That sucks man. Royals are next at 8, but they’re farm system/young talent is baller so they’ll be alright.

  81. Clyde Barrow says:

    CC and Kuroda eat a lot of innings only to have Hughes and Garcia throw them up. Hopefully Andy comes back after just one more minor league start. Even though he’s 40 and didn’t pitch last year I think he could at least grit through 5 innings.

  82. Greg says:

    This ump’s strikezone is all over the place

  83. Pat D says:

    Some runs, please, boys.

  84. RetroRob says:

    Why is it that Michael Kay seems to be the only one who doesn’t know the ball isn’t leaving the park?

    • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

      Because he probably is.

      • jjyank says:

        Sterling says hello.

      • RetroRob says:

        I mean, I’m looking at the TV and I can see immediately the ball is pulled foul and I can see the batter’s reaction that he knows it’s foul, but Kay jars me for a second with his call, making me wonder if I’m missing something. Nope, the ball lands right where I thought it was going to land.

        Of course, when John Sterling goes into his HR call I’m defensless because it’s on the radio. I can’t actually see what’s happening. I’ve probably caught maybe 25 innings so far while driving in my car and I’m keeping mental count of Sterling’s calls. So far he’s gone into his HR call eight times when I’m listening, and seven of the balls have been caught at the fence or barely made it to the warning track. I’ll forgive him for one, such as the second ball A-Rod hit the other night that pinned the OFer against the fence.

        • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

          Even there, on Tex’s bloop, Kay said “High fly ball” which led me to think, of course, it could be a routine flyout. As soon as the ball was viable on the screen, I knew it was a hit.

          Damnit Ibanez.

        • Professor Longnose says:

          One reason I hate that It is high stuff from Sterling is that it makes all potential homers sound the same. They’re not.

    • Pat D says:

      He’s Michael Kay?

      Oh, wait, I got it, the lack of soup and condiment eating gives him bad depth perception.

      • jjyank says:

        I knew that, but seriously, who doesn’t eat condiments? Does Kay actually eat hotdogs with nothing on them?

        • Pat D says:

          Maybe he actually doesn’t eat hot dogs. But that would actually make him intelligent, so……I guess he eats them plain.

          • jjyank says:

            Ha true, hotdogs are the ultimate “ignorance is bliss” food. Still though…hamburgers? It’s still weird.

            • Pat D says:

              Yea. I guess if I ever got to talk to Michael Kay, these are the questions I would need him to answer.

              I’d preface them all by saying, “Look, I’m trying to make sure you’re not as weird as you sometimes make yourself seem to be.”

              • RetroRob says:

                Following on my post below, if I had known about the condiment issue at the the time, I would have asked, or given some attention to it when his burger arrived. Probably would have joked with him that I had to wait to his burger arrived to see if he really was anti-condiment! Yet I don’t like bothering celebrities when they’re eating and if he was at a table I wouldn’t have talked to him. Yet when someone sits at a bar they’re usually encouraging talk.

            • RetroRob says:

              I think I mentioned this once, but I actually ran across Michael Kay in a bar/restaurant in White Plains, NY several years back. He was just sitting at the bar. He was having a burger. At that time I didn’t know about his condiment issue, so I didn’t see if he put anything on the burger.

              I talked to him for a couple minutes since he was at the bar and his food hadn’t arrived yet. He was perfectly pleasant, but I left him to his peace.

  85. Mike Nitabach says:

    Kuroda seems to have gotten his pitches down.

  86. Pat D says:

    Another pathetic power play by the Rangers.

  87. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    10% of those voters are trololololin.

  88. flamingo says:

    A hit! A very palpable hit!

  89. RkyMtnYank says:

    I read above that Robbie has been more patient this year, I guess I missed those games because he’s still Robbie “one pitch” to me.

  90. Need Pitching says:

    thank you Betemit

  91. Pat D says:

    Woo hoo, beat the shift!

  92. jjyank says:

    Wow Robbie, you got lucky there.

  93. Damn Raul…that’s the one thing we absolutely didn’t want to happen. First pitch too…

  94. flamingo says:

    On the first pitch, Ibanez?!

  95. Greg says:

    Bring in Abreu for Ibanez

    • Mike Nitabach says:

      Didn’t we already do this?

    • Pat D says:

      Only for a few rounds of “Who looks more pathetic shagging fly balls?”

    • RkyMtnYank says:

      … but Ibanez can play the OF and gives Girardi more options.

    • pistol pete says:

      Agree, Abreu’s faster, a more patient hitter that will work counts, and dare I say a better fielder than Ibanez. He’s also a little younger and New York proven. Both were good hitters in their prime but Abreu was a cut above and probably still is. I think his patient hitting style would fit the Yankees well. Ibanez swings early and often and I really feel he’ll drop off from his current modest level. The timing would look bad but Abreu is the better choice.

  96. Eirias says:


    /shakes fist

  97. Bartolo's Colon says:

    can we send garcia and ibanez to a farm?

  98. MannyGeee says:

    You can just tell that Suzyn is juuuuuuust tickled by the Tex “Keep your hands on the wheel, and let me take care of sending the Tex Messages” spot in WCBS….

  99. Athenian says:

    Think Kurda says to his interpreter during innings, “how the fuck do I get run support?” “I didn’t think I was still in LA.”

  100. Clyde Barrow says:

    Get out there Rothschild. Kuroda is gonna blow this with our elite pen sitting on the sidelines.

  101. Need Pitching says:

    anyone else think Kurodo’s leash is a little too long today?

  102. RkyMtnYank says:

    eesh, looks like SoRobMo time.

  103. MannyGeee says:

    Nice…. Good thing AJ is gone… Should cut down on the wild pitches…


  104. forensic says:

    Ibanez vs. RHP’s last year: .256/.307/.440
    This year overall: .255/.311/.473

    Kind of amazing how close they are so far. That slugging difference is basically one double becoming a homer instead so far this year.

  105. jjyank says:

    Big K right there.

  106. Don'tcha Know? says:

    Of course Marlon Byrd would do well for Boston. Of course!

  107. Clyde Barrow says:

    The Os are tipping pitches again and Martin’s on to them. Somebody needs to get hit tomorrow.

    • jjyank says:

      Nobody needs to get hit, the Yankees just need to change their signs. I am very much against free baserunners, unless the Yankees have like, a 10 run lead. The can stuff it to the O’s beating them.

  108. jjyank says:

    Hey, Betemit! Long time no see! Oh yeah, thanks for Swisher!

  109. MannyGeee says:

    Off topic alert… But is anyone else happy to see Joey Bats’ dead cat bounce to the mean this season so far? I was kinda over him.

  110. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    Thank you Markakis!!

  111. jjyank says:

    Heh, the wild pitch there helped them.

  112. aRX says:

    Thanks for the free out :)

  113. Mike Axisa says:

    Hiroki will cut you down fool.

  114. RetroRob says:

    Thankfully, Kuroda is one of the better fielding pitchers in the game.

  115. Cy Pettitte says:

    Russell and Hiroki! that was awesome.

  116. Karl Krawfid says:

    Joba did that against Baltimore last year right?

    Or 2 years ago.

  117. Clyde Barrow says:

    Wow. That ball didn’t bounce as far away as Markakis thought. Got a break there. Good job by Hiroki on the tag.

  118. pistol pete says:

    Robbie in the 8th and Mo to close, great job by Kuroda.

  119. Clyde Barrow says:

    I think you go batter to batter with Kuroda. If a man gets on in comes Robbie.

  120. Greg says:

    Oh this ump is going to be a pain for Robertson

  121. flamingo says:

    Kuroda pitched really, really well. Hopefully that puts a stop to the “he’s bad every other time out” ridiculousness.

  122. Cy Pettitte says:

    DRob is so filthy.

  123. pistol pete says:

    Kuroda is a veteran and will have a solid year for the Yanks. He’s got good control, eats innings and is effective. He’s a stabilizing force in a rotation full of questions. Great sign by Cashman.

  124. flamingo says:

    Woooohooo, strikes out the side!

  125. jjyank says:

    Man D-Rob is killing it this year. Only member of the bullpen to not give up a run so far (11 IP I believe). I know the idea of having Soriano take the fall of being the first non-Mo closer (assuming he retires) has some merit, but if D-Rob keeps this up, how can he not be the successor?

  126. K-Rob doing what he does :D

  127. forensic says:

    Now that’s domination!

  128. Bartolo's Colon says:

    he is a lot of fun to watch

  129. Clyde Barrow says:

    Those are some nasty pitches

  130. RkyMtnYank says:

    So is D-Rob really not the future closer? Just don’t see how that doesn’t happen!

  131. At this rate the games going to be over, and I’ll still have 10-20 minutes of work left…and usually I get to watch the last inning at home. I’m not amused.

  132. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    I know he’s not a starter, but David Robertson is a damn good pitcher that the Yanks developed.

    • jjyank says:

      This. A lot of people like to focus on Joba and Hughes as failures, but the Yankees have done alright with pitchers overall I think. Not the best by any stretch, but at least average.

      • I still think it’s unfair to dub Joba a failure as a starter. He’s never had a year where his innings were properly used, let alone a year where he was just allowed to pitch. I still remember the game he threw 7 innings of 1 run ball in Boston, battling Beckett inning for inning.

        • jjyank says:

          Oh, I agree with you. But considering he is unlikely to start for the Yanks again, most people view that as a failure. It’s not Joba’s fault though. But that just makes my point stronger. The Yankees aren’t as bad as a lot of people make them out to be with developing pitching.

          • David N says:

            Look, I love Robertson, and he’s certainly looking like the real deal, but if we’re holding up one reliever as testament to the Yankees’ ability to develop pitching (out of a bunch of relievers and a collection of starters), isn’t that really testament to the contrary?

        • RkyMtnYank says:

          I disagree, everything I saw from Joba the starter paled in comparison to him as a reliever. I know this opinion is not popular on this site but that game was an anomaly since everything else was average at best. The starter reliever transition stuff is just BS. Either you can pitch or you can’t. Joba’s max 93mph straight fastball as a starter was atrocious since he couldn’t throw a breaking ball for a strike. I am a fan of the sweaty, snorting, bring this shit on reliever that Joba was, however!

    • Greg says:

      Joba was effective in the pen, Hughes was effective in the pen, so bullpen pitching is a strength for the Yankees.

    • OMG! Bagels! says:

      I was there on Opening Game and when D-Rob came in, the place went nuts. We are loving this guy.

  133. Haha wow, it’s totally the right move to pull Ibanez for Jones, but that has to feel like a slap in the face to Ibanez. We’re going to take you, a guy whose played the outfield for 15 years, out of the game, and leave the kid who is getting his first ever innings in LF.

  134. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    What were the options for LF Michael??

  135. jjyank says:

    Michael Kay: “Interestingly, they keep Nunez in left.”

    Considering Jones took over for Ibanez is RF, who is supposed to replace him, exactly?

  136. Karl Krawfid says:

    Mo has been leaving that fastball up a lot this year.

  137. Pat D says:

    Nice stab, Derek.

  138. jjyank says:

    Mo is Mo. All is right with the world.

  139. Cano: the best pivot in baseball.

  140. Mike Nitabach says:

    YESSSSSS! What a nice win!

  141. flamingo says:

    9 pitches, 3 outs.

    April’s over, y’all, and we’ve only had What’s Wrong With Mariano Day! It had to be Opening Day, but still totally worth it.

    Great game!

  142. Karl Krawfid says:

    Nice win man. Fast game.

  143. Clyde Barrow says:

    We saw brilliant pitching tonight from both starters. Tomorrow we’ll see the exact opposite.

  144. RetroRob says:

    2:22 game? I have an extra hour here I’ve alloted for baseball. What is this, 1982 baseball?

  145. CS Yankee says:

    Great pitching, solid D (less Raul), and looking forward to tomorrows game…

    expecting a 10-8 game, with some solid innings from DJ.

  146. can andy help hughes when he comes up to the bigs?

  147. Andy will help everyone be better-

  148. pistol pete says:

    Signing pitchers is the trickiest process in sports. I’m not saying he’ll be great for the life of his contract but Darvish really really looks like the real deal. He’s 4 and 0 at 2.18 and passes the eye test.

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