Game Three: Beat the shift Rays


"Praise the Lord, I beat the shift." (REUTERS/Craig Litten)

It’s been a frustrating two games, but a win today will make everything all better. Phil Hughes gets the ball for the first time after a dazzling Spring Training, which we all hope carries over into the regular season. I don’t like that Raul Ibanez will be patrolling right field — fly ball pitcher and a bunch of pull lefties in Tampa’s lineup — but what can you do. I guess they’re just going to have to pitch those guys away. Here’s the lineup…

SS Derek Jeter
CF Curtis Granderson
2B Robinson Cano
3B Al from Miami
1B Mark Teixeira
DH Nick Swisher
RF Raul Ibanez
LF Brett Gardner
C Chris Stewart

RHP Phil Hughes

Today’s game starts at 1:40pm ET and can be seen on YES locally and TBS nationally. Enjoy.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. Drew says:

    Is it me or is anyone else more upset that Stewart is catching the 3rd game of the season.

  2. PinedaColada says:

    Things are starting off just right for our eventual world series win. Pineda and Pettite will be back soon and all will be well.

  3. Mike Nitabach says:

    Piniella was cracking me up the whole game last night. At one point, he was babbling some gibberish about aluminum bats, and even Kay had no idea what the fuck he was talking about, and was all like, “Gee, Lou. Can you tell us more about that?”

    I hope he’s on today’s YES broadcast.

  4. The Fallen Phoenix says:

    Why is Ibanez playing RF? WTF?

  5. rondd5 says:

    …2 games…the yankees will be fine.

  6. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Laptop thief and Ellsbury putting the Sox in an early 4-0 hole.

  7. rondd5 says:

    2 games….the yanks will be fine…

  8. rondd5 says:

    4 to nothing detroit.

  9. Ethan says:

    I really want the yankees to win to see if Kay is going to do his stupid “you can put it on the left side” saying again this year.

  10. rek4gehrig says:

    Yeah..beat the shift dammit

  11. Mike Axisa says:

    It could always be worse. We could all be Red Sox fans.

  12. jjyank says:

    Man I never noticed how easy Hellickson’s deliver looks. Looks like the guy isn’t even trying.

  13. i collect brett gardner cards says:

    man, they gotta start going the other way against the shift.

  14. Gonzo says:

    Do you think other managers have the guts to use the shift the way Maddon does?

    • jjyank says:

      Not in a big market, no. Look at the recap thread, people were ready to crucify Girardi for over-managing. What do you think will happen if Girardi shifts like that and it backfires a few times?

  15. JoeG says:

    A better post for today’s game: The ShiftShow

  16. Cuso says:

    Wow. Hughes actually pitched a CG last year? I have no recollection of that.

  17. Cy Pettitte says:

    that 2-0 change up was nasty

  18. Jeff Karstens, Male Model says:

    Pitching from behind early…

  19. B-Rando says:

    Back to back changeups!

  20. Cuso says:

    A better caption for that picture would’ve been: “Praise the lord- another garbage time home run”

    • jjyank says:

      The home run brought them within two. I don’t consider that “garbage time”.

      • Cuso says:

        Thanks for your perspective. I do consider it garbage time. His 3 run bombs come when they’re down by 6 or up by 8.

        The mere fact that it had no impact on the final is the definition of garbage time.

        • jjyank says:

          No impact? They brought the tying run to the plate! If they completed the comeback, it would be a “spark”, but A-Rod doesn’t come through and now its “garbage time”?

          • Cuso says:

            Um. No. It did NOT bring the tying run to the plate. Canos walk brought the tying run to the plate.

            • Mike Axisa says:

              And why was Cano able to bat?

              • Cuso says:

                Thats fine. It still by definition is garbage time. Horseshoes and hand grenades and all that jazz.

                • jjyank says:

                  The “definition” of garbage time is when hitting a home run can bring you within two runs with the heart of the order coming up? I’d love me whatever it is you are smoking.

            • jjyank says:

              Read my response. I didn’t say Swisher’s home run did, I said THEY (The Yankees) did. The very fact that the Yankees were able to bring the tying run to the plate a two batters later means that Swisher’s home run DID have an impact. Man I swear some people will find anything they can to bitch about.

              • Cuso says:

                Right. Because I’m “bitching.” I made a comment and you were the one to take offends and take the apologist stance. Who is “bitching” exactly?

                Cry some more for your matinee idol.

                • jjyank says:

                  That would be you. You are being overly critical about a guy that sparked an almost-comeback, I am trying to insert logic.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          No impact? It only brought the tying run to the plate.

          • Cuso says:

            See above Mike

          • Cuso says:

            Look. You guys can continue to defend him all you want. You know Ive been pointing out this same “anomaly” for 3 years now. I’m not going to change your mind.

            But you certainly aren’t going to change mine either. It will continue to happen and you will continue to view it in the best possible light.

            • jjyank says:

              Just a question. Say A-Rod hits a home run, ties the game. How do you categorize Swisher’s home run? Is it still garbage time if it was the impetus for a 9th inning comeback?

              • Cuso says:

                Does Swisher see that pitch if they’re down only 2-3 runs? Ask yourself that. There were two outs. They wouldn’t have given him that pitch otherwise. It was a lay up.

                • jjyank says:

                  Sigh. You think they gave him a layup with two runners on, and LET him hit a home run that brings them within 2 runs? If the bases were empty, this argument makes sense.

                  I feel like I’m talking to a wall.

                • Mike Axisa says:

                  So they let him the homer with two men on base? That’s rich.

    • Rainbow Pinstripes says:

      Right, because that didn’t allow the tying run to come to the plate a few batters later or anything.

  21. jjyank says:

    Awesome to see 94 from Phil.

  22. Pinstripes in Cali says:

    Phil’s lookin pretty good. Just ran it up to 94.

  23. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    That last pitch was a strike. I bet if Stewart didn’t drop that Longoria would have been punched out.

  24. i collect brett gardner cards says:

    he keeps this pitch count rate up we will be seeing Phelps today.

  25. Cy Pettitte says:

    Swish gets that

  26. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    Ibanez u serious, bro?

  27. bobtaco says:

    Another gift from Girardi

  28. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Girardi’s brilliant moves pay off yet again…

  29. Mike Axisa says:

    Ibanez. *shakes fist*

  30. Pinstripes in Cali says:

    OH MY GOD. no… nick swisher is too fragile to play the outfield every day. we need to have Raul f$&#@# Ibanez out there. christ.

  31. Jimmy says:

    Swisher catches that.

  32. Rainbow Pinstripes says:

    If that’s what it takes to be a right fielder for the Yankees… Count me as major league ready.

  33. jjyank says:

    Ibanez should really just stick to DHing…

  34. Rainbow Pinstripes says:

    I am growing to hate the first inning.

  35. Tut says:

    Small sample size, but not a good weekend for Girardi.

  36. Jamey says:

    Girardi’d It!

  37. RkyMtnYank says:

    Cashmans first pickup this year is hopefully a new manager.

  38. i collect brett gardner cards says:

    almost 30 pitches for Hughsie/

    great weekend for the Binder.

  39. Ax says:

    Honestly, I never complain about this, but he’s clearly been over-managing the first 3 games. Put your damn regulars out there. ITS THE FIRST SERIES OF THE YEAR GIRARDI!!!!!! /rant

  40. Cy Pettitte says:

    is Teix trying to do construction on the Trop roof this weekend?

  41. Nathan says:

    Third game of the season and it feels like the Yankees are in a slump already.

  42. Jeff Karstens, Male Model says:

    Popup by Tex, that’s how I know it’s a game.

  43. jjyank says:

    Swisher with a garbage time double!


  44. Zack D says:

    Is Zorbist your everyday RF? Nice move Joe

  45. Mike Axisa says:

    Double doesn’t count, garbage time.

  46. i collect brett gardner cards says:

    get this run IN.

  47. jimmy says:


  48. i collect brett gardner cards says:

    need a ten pitch inning here.

  49. Mykey says:

    Swisher double. Must be garbage time because he’s entirely useless.

  50. Tom says:

    Chavez’s parents are apparently angry as he is the only child who hasn’t been allowed to play in the field yet.

    This is Little League rules, right?

  51. First time lawng time says:

    Some of you guys should seriously consider relaxing and refrain from getting angry/tense until later on the game. I mean, it’s only the bottom of the 2nd inning and they’re only down by 1 run. Chill.

  52. Peter says:

    An Elvis Andrus hit, great

  53. Cy Pettitte says:


  54. bobtaco says:

    Ooh. That was a nice pitch to put away Rodriguez.

  55. RkyMtnYank says:

    Sweet change for the K

  56. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    Hughes got lucky striking out Sean Rodriguez. Normally you’re supposed to intentionally walk him.

  57. Jimmy says:

    Next strikeout ties Phil with Ed Figueroa at #57 all time for the Yankees.

  58. Cy Pettitte says:

    Astros claimed Maxwell :(

  59. Dave M says:

    alright Hughes..looking good..hes missing bats at 91-92 which is nice but I got a few questions.

    1. Hes not throwing 94-95 and it didnt look like it had much movement so why is he missing bats, was it the location or just good fastballs regardless of vlo?

    2. also hughes is not hitting Stewarts glove on those strikes either, id hughes missing on purpose, like to throw off the hitter? or is it on accident? or does it even matter? haha

    • Chip says:

      There are like 5 pitchers in the league that sit 94-95, sitting 91-93 and ramping it up when necessary is still above average.

      And no, it’s April and he’s missing a bit which is why he isn’t able to put guys away consistently

  60. i collect brett gardner cards says:

    mets looking GREAT this series.
    my pick for surprise team of the year

  61. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    I don’t like the decision to deal Kontos for Stewart, but I’m really glad that Cervelli isn’t around this year.

  62. jjyank says:

    Eh at least Steward worked the count. All you can really ask for from him.

  63. Mykey says:

    Yeah boys, make ‘em pitch.

  64. Peter says:

    Man i hate the Rays, 2 line drives right at them

  65. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    Jeter has looked good at the plate

  66. jimmy says:

    I <3 me some Coney.

  67. Bill R says:

    So who wants to bet that Girardi decides over manage to protect Andy when he returns by letting him only pitch 4 innings a game every 10 days?

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

      And every other start, Girardi will give Pettitte a half day. Meaning he’s only allowed to pitch underhand and he’ll play Nunez as a fifth infielder to stand next to Pettitte so Andy won’t have to field his position.

  68. bobtaco says:

    Scherzer really shit the bed in Detroit. 80 pitches in 2 2/3 innings and now the Sox are up by 2.

  69. Mykey says:

    Liking the punch-outs from Hughes.

  70. Peter says:

    Hughes looking good

    • Tom says:

      ~70 pitches after 3 innings… Phil back to his highly efficient ways. He’s only faced 14 batters.

      Hellickson has thrown 37 against one of the more patient lineups in baseball.

  71. jjyank says:

    I’m liking his willingness to go to the change.

  72. Pinstripes in Cali says:

    You could have 15 Phils pitching in your rotation for what CC + Hiroki cost…

  73. Cy Pettitte says:

    Pena of course

  74. Mike Axisa says:

    Carlos Pena with the garbage time tack-on homer.

  75. jjyank says:

    Jeez, Pena really is a Yankee killer…

  76. Mykey says:

    I hate you Carlos Pena. I HATE you!

  77. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    LOL Kay said “it’s 2-0 Cubs”

  78. Pinstripes in Cali says:

    Carlos Pena, official Yankee Killer (TM).

  79. Jeff Karstens, Male Model says:

    Pena loves playing the Yanks

  80. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    Hit your spot Phil.

  81. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    “Looks like a space ship up there.” Piniella needs to gtfo.

  82. Peter says:

    The Rays did a nice job hiring 2 great Yankee killers, Pena and L.Scott

    • pete says:

      i actually kinda like pena when he’s not hitting hrs against the yanks. But I would hate Luke Scott even if he arranged for the red sox to reacquire Papelbon, and then hit three home runs off Beckett and then a walkoff off Papelbon to force the redsox out of the playoffs. That’s how much I hate Luke Scott.

  83. Cy Pettitte says:

    63 pitches though 2 2/3 ugh.

  84. Jeff Karstens, Male Model says:

    Mets, no-hitter through 6

    • JoeG says:

      That’s it.. I’m becoming a Mets fan.. They apparently have much more of a winning culture w/ gritty and unselfish players…

  85. Brendan says:

    Everything about this ballpark annoys me, right down to the 12 year old PA announcer… Also, Stewart has now dropped the ball four times.

  86. Mike Axisa says:

    Scott’s out of the game, apparently. Vogt was on deck.

  87. Kosmo says:

    It takes Hughes 6-7 pitches to get an out. Snooze. What happened to 3 pitch ABs?

  88. jeb says:

    I can’t watch the game, but I’m following it on gameday – it looked like Hughes threw Joyce three changeups in the zone, even though they were called balls. Does the ump have a small strikezone today?

  89. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    Atta boy, Tex.

  90. Kostas says:

    So after three games, Yankees need to work on hitting with men on base, stop Hughes from throwing so many pitches before the fifth, get that first win, and stop living by the binder. Basically everything that ailed them last year.

    • jjyank says:

      Hey, as long as they still win 97 games, I’m cool with all of that.

      • Kostas says:

        I gad them at 96 but I think after seeing these games they are more likely to win 92. That might get them into the one day playoff which is as nerve racking as having to face Detroit in the first round. Odds are against them.

  91. mike_h says:

    damn 2 more feet and the game is tied

  92. Total Dominication says:

    Damn, it’s a tie game at home.

  93. jjyank says:

    Ahhh thought that was gone off the bat.

  94. Johnny says:

    Hup! Mark Teixeira found a way to get a hit: go loud.

  95. Mykey says:

    Alright Mark. C’mon Swish, make it garbage time!

  96. Total Dominication says:

    I was at the first game and was at a seder yesterday. Can someone explain the garbage time meme?

  97. Mike Axisa says:

    Would have been a garbage time hit anyway.

  98. Dummies Playing With Balls (formerly Rainbow Connection) says:

    Swisher Rules.

  99. jjyank says:

    Oh come on boys, don’t strand them…

  100. Mykey says:

    Alright then, impending RISP fail.

  101. Nathan says:

    Terrible TERRIBLE RISP (lack of) production so far.

    Yankees need to get out of Florida.

  102. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    That was awful.

  103. bobtaco says:

    That will probably be an AB that will be looked at as a turning point. Bad AB Swish.

  104. Peter says:

    What a surprise, pop out, unproductive out

  105. Derrick says:

    Who told swisher it was October

  106. Johnny says:

    Nick Swisher keeps popping out because he’s pressing square to power swing. In this situation he should be going for a contact swing by hitting circle.

  107. Jeff Karstens, Male Model says:

    Good situational hitting Swish

  108. i collect brett gardner cards says:

    depressing weekend.
    yanks looking liek they might get swept and mets getting a sweep and a possible no-no.

  109. jjyank says:

    Frustrating inning. Ibanez has looked pretty decent though so far.

  110. Total Dominication says:

    I hate the Rays defense.

  111. Dante Bichette rules says:

    There’s no offense today but the most incredible is that Hugues is the best pitcher so far. Speaks a lot about how good were CC and Kuroda.

  112. Kostas says:

    Yankees should write a book on how to consistently fail to get in. This will be eir Achilles heel all year long.

  113. Dummies Playing With Balls (formerly Rainbow Connection) says:

    Everyone’s being too harsh on Swisher.
    As soon as he does that lovable-redneck-who-will-do-anything-to-get-on-TV routine you’ll all melt and forget how shitty he is.
    “Wow! He certainly jerks his head around a lot while talking about nonsense! Cool!”

    • jjyank says:

      Seriously? Swisher is an above average player. I don’t get it, is it the low BA thing? Gets on base, hits homers, switch hitter, solid defense. Pretty solid #6 hitter.

  114. Mykey says:

    St. Phil.

  115. Mike Axisa says:

    Needed that quick inning.

  116. mike_h says:

    nice try Stewart but they dont shift on you

  117. Mike Axisa says:

    Not an optimal outcome, Stew.

  118. Mykey says:

    My God watching our offense fail is depressing.

    • Kostas says:

      Don’t worry they make up for it in their blow out wins which helps pad their total runs scored.

      • First time lawng time says:

        Does it matter if a win is a blowout or not? And who cares about their total runs scored? The only stat that matters is W-L and the way I see it is a win is a win is a win is a win.

  119. First time lawng time says:

    Maybe they should score some runs next time…

  120. Stratman9652 says:

    The good news is there can’t possibly be anyone in the Ray’s pen that Maddon hasn’t used yet right?

  121. King George says:

    Man, I didn’t expect this series to be so frustrating…

  122. Mike MzX says:

    This guy just struck out Jeter and he looked like he was siting on park bench watching clouds while doing it.

    I’m looking forward to them flying out of Tampa. This team is downright painful this weekend.

  123. Johnny says:

    Oh man… just realized that Nova is pitching tomorrow. That’s bad times, even against the Orioles.

  124. NRW Yankee says:

    Clean mouth, go to Baltimore

  125. First time lawng time says:

    People should stop being hard on Swisher, Tex, etc. First of all, 3 games is a small sample size. Second, you need to stop analyzing every single at-bat they have and using that specific outcome to determine their contribution/worth to the team. Just look at the big picture, otherwise you’ll drive yourself nuts.

  126. Kostas says:

    It will be a .500 April at best.

  127. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Stupid dumbass fan

  128. jjyank says:

    Seriously?? Again??

  129. Ivan says:

    Carlos Pena will hit .450 against the Yankees this year…….and will hit .180 against everybody else…just watch….

  130. Stratman9652 says:

    What are the odds?

  131. Jimmy McNulty says:

    So…big mistake not signing Pena, probably cost them two wins already

  132. Cuso says:

    Anyone else surprised how long they’re letting Hughes keep his hair?

  133. pat says:

    Has Phil gotten a swing and a miss on his curveball since he’s been in the majors?

  134. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Eva will even it up, though.

  135. Mike Axisa says:

    Take Hughes out, Joyce owns him.

  136. Ivan says:

    C’mon Hughes…..you can do this….

  137. Captain Gift Basket says:

    The Yanks must have the worst scouting dept in baseball. Peña is a career .240 hitter dumped by half dozen teams, and he continues to clobber them.

  138. Chip says:

    Gotta see that start as a positive one for Hughes, threw a ton of offspeed pitches

    • Paul VuvuZuvella says:

      I agree. His pitches weren’t perfect but he mixed them up and showed some good stuff.

    • Cuso says:

      Yeah I think he did a good job. Wish he got some run support.

    • Mike MzX says:

      Great outing, he’d only have 1 run against him if it wasn’t for Ibanez being in right instead of Swish. Best start of the season so far.

      Now if the offense could stop stranding baserunners, we’d be having a good game.

  139. i collect brett gardner cards says:

    good start for phil, BUT needs to be more efficient.

  140. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:


  141. jjyank says:

    Nice Boone! Hope Rapada was taking notes.

  142. Cy Pettitte says:

    way to be a LOOGY and not a LNOGY Boone

  143. mustang says:

    Another spring training idea:

    Release logan and keep Rap and the kid.

  144. Kostas says:

    I guess that was an ok outing. No real improvement from previous starts. At some point the Yankees will have to accept Hughes is not a starter- burns the pen to often.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      How dare he pitch enough to go five innings today. I don’t mind the early hook since he was not in position to win the game anyway and bringing the lefty in to keep the game close was the right idea. He didn’t look great, but his first start looked a hell of a lot better than CC and Kuroda’s. Let’s not banish him to the bullpen just yet.

  145. Tom says:

    Can someone teach Hughes to pitch down?

    Part of the reason he runs up these pitch counts is almost everything he throws is up in the zone (even his changeup and curve have been up)… when he was throwing 95 he’d get swings and misses, at 91 it’s just fouled off (or hit).


    A distribution like that will be a lot of 100pitch 5 inning games throwing 91-92.

  146. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Hellboy, Moore, and Price will be a bitch for years to come.

  147. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    FUUUUCCKKK one more foot.

  148. Mike Axisa says:

    Al from Miami gets it done.

  149. mike_h says:

    can ANYONE hit a damn HR please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stop it with these off the wall doubles

  150. jjyank says:

    Gonna be a big year for A-Rod. He’s looked great so far.

  151. King George says:

    Maybe this is a stupid thing to ask, but why isn’t Girardi beating them at their own game and just bunting whenever they play a shift. If Maddon wants to be cute, Girardi should be smart enough to counter him.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Bunt with who? The team is either slow or never was fast to begin with. There’s Gardner and he can’t even bunt well. Nunez will find a way to get himself out. And I’d rather have Granderson pop a homer.

  152. Cuso says:

    I sense the vitriol. But I will stand alone on that island if I must.

    I accept that.

  153. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    I endorse Tex’s veggie juicing.

  154. NRW Yankee says:

    Save us, Swish!

  155. NRW Yankee says:

    Strike 2, Don´t get your hopes up ;-)

    • jjyank says:

      Ahem what? We weren’t arguing about whether or not Swisher is clutch, we were arguing about one specific moment last night, which is completely unrelated to today.

      • Cuso says:

        And if he hit a 3 run bomb right there u would’ve said absolutely nothing right?

        You wouldn’t have called me out by name right?

        All I said was “ahem.”

        • jjyank says:

          I would not have, no. But you were asking for a reply, you had two comments basically goading a reply…don’t pretend like those weren’t for me.

          If Swish hit a home run, I would have said something expressing my excitement about taking the lead, but that would have been it.

          • Cuso says:

            I’m not pretending about anything. I’m not goading you in paricilar at all. The vitriol post was after I saw other commentary about penas “garbage” homerun and wil nieve s funny post.

            You as an individual are not on my radar. People have harangued me for this viewpoin i’t for 3 years.

            You’re nothing new.

            • jjyank says:

              Right…not on your radar, which is why you assumed I would “call you out”, while you basically ask for a reply. Whatever man, I’m done feeding the trolls. Enjoy being negative about the team you root for.

  156. jjyank says:

    Ugh this is getting difficult to watch.

  157. NRW Yankee says:

    …and there is 3 :-(

  158. Cy Pettitte says:


  159. Johnny says:

    Starting a petition to increase the outs per inning to 4

  160. mustang says:

    Swisher is just killllling me!

  161. pete says:

    damn that was a hell of a sequence

  162. NRW Yankee says:

    …watching this game sucks somehow……

  163. King George says:

    How pathetic. This team was truly unprepared for the Rays.

  164. Jimmy McNulty says:

    So what’s the verdict on Pinella so far?

  165. Jimmy McNulty says:

    I really don’t want to be behind Boston, not that it matters this early, but still I DO NOT WANT TO BE BEHIND THE FUCKING RED SOX

    People bitch about the Red Sox’ September but forget that they lost what? Six in a row or ten of eleven in April. April matters people.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Sure. April matters. One series, however, doesn’t.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        Yes, yes it does. One game could be the difference between the WC and the division. The difference between a one game series deciding your fate or getting a full five games to advance. The Rays are good, Boston’s good, and Toronto’s good. This shit fucking matters.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          The solution is obvious, then: 162-0 or complete fucking failure. Oh well.

          • Jimmy McNulty says:

            Jesus Christ can you even fucking read? Where did I say that? Standings don’t necessarily matter this early but in a tight division and the wild card winners being put at a severe disadvantage every game matters. Losses suck, and opening the season getting swept especially sucks. There’s no other way to spin it. There’s positives to take, Teixeira and A-Rod had good games, and Hughes was able to throw pitches other than strikes, but other than that…pretty shitty series.

  166. pat says:

    Wow and storied like that are why assholes like Joe West shouldn’t be allowed to ump games any more.

  167. Cy Pettitte says:

    Keppinger? I give up. just surrender.

  168. jjyank says:

    God damn it.

  169. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Girardi loves him his shitty lefties doesn’t he?

  170. pat says:

    Love how all these Rays scrubs play out of their minds against the Yankees.

  171. Jimmy McNulty says:

    I’m not one to bitch about Girardi, but I’ll bitch about everything else…but Jesus Christ he’s having an awful day today.

  172. teddy says:

    screw giradri

  173. mustang says:

    Ok too funny one of the few times he doesn’t micro manages.


  174. jjyank says:

    Can I has some runs now please?

  175. JS says:

    Sad, very sad

  176. mustang says:

    Ok too funny one of the few times he doesn’t micro manages.


  177. Chip says:

    Why are we piling on Girardi? He’s not the one who left a fastball up and dead center of the zone

    • jjyank says:

      This. If Girardi put Wade in and Wade got hammered, we would be calling for his head for over-managing.

      • Chip says:

        Exactly, a manager’s job is to put his team in a position to win. Maddon would have brought a lefty in to face Wade anyhow and I’d take a (looking) sharp and fresh Logan against the righty rather than an unknown in Wade against a lefty

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          Yeah but Logan only faced a righty when it was a switch hitter and he was turned around. Make Zobrist uncomfortable and hit from the other side, NEVER let Logan face a natural righty.

          • Chip says:

            Molina is a natural righty and he made him look silly

            • JobaWockeeZ says:

              Keppinger’s OPS against righties is .850

              Jose Molina will never top a .700 OPS in any freaking category of hitting because he sucks.

            • Jimmy McNulty says:

              Well Molina really really sucks. Even then, Boone had one good PA against a natural righty. I’m of the “don’t get cute” philosophy, always hate using Boone or any other LOOGY type against multiple righties. If it’s a LRLL line up or something like that I’m okay with it, but never multiple natural righties in an appearance.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        Boone’s OPS against righties is .890. Keppinger has an .850 OPS against lefties in his career.

        But it’s Girardi so it’s a good move?

        • jjyank says:

          I didn’t say that. Just making a point that a manager loses no matter what.

          Boone shouldn’t have left a fastball over the middle of the plate either. The fact that Keppinger was a righty didn’t force Boone to throw a batting practice fastball.

    • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

      Logan had no business facing Keppinger with Wade warming up

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      It’s not the LOOGY’s fault he’s facing a righty.

      • Chip says:

        So when Wade comes in and faces a lefty (because Maddon loves to match up too) is it also Girardi’s fault?

        • JobaWockeeZ says:

          Wade’s OPS against the other hand is .633 but keep reaching.

          • Chip says:

            I’ll give you that Keppinger is much more likely to get a hit against the lefty but are you really going to say that he’s a huge home run threat? Even against lefties, he still only has a 6.6% FB/HR ratio. It’s not like this was Manny Ramirez up there.

            He over-manages and you’ll complain. He under-manages and you’ll complain. The important part is that he puts them in places to succeed and Logan just missed a location

            • jjyank says:

              My thoughts exactly.

            • JobaWockeeZ says:

              Whether or not he this a homer isn’t the concern. It’s not putting the team in a good position when the pitcher’s opposing OPS is close to .900 to a hitter who has an .850 OPS against those types of pitchers.

              Logan doesn’t simply misses locations, he just can’t pitch to RHP. Not his fault since he can neutralize a lefty but Girardi shouldn’t let him continue to suck against righties.

              • Chip says:

                FIP against righties last year was 2.61. He simply can’t pitch to righties? I’m aware that relievers are volatile but still, he was good against them last year and had just struck a righty out and looked sharp

                • JobaWockeeZ says:

                  It’s 67 PA’s.

                  • Chip says:

                    Yeah, relievers, volatile.

                    Cory Wade had a FIP of 5.28 last year against lefties too. You really want Girardi to heavily weigh things that happened in 2008 and 2009 when picking a bullpen matchup?

                • mustang says:

                  “just struck a righty out and looked sharp”

                  Exactly if Wade came in and got hit there would have been twice the complaints with the “hot hand” shit.
                  We all know the line-ups so like I said below next time call it and no one will have shit to say.

          • Havok9120 says:

            I think the problem many are having is that people critisize him when he uses The Binder to strictly play matchups instead of, say, riding the hot hand, and then they’ll complain when he rides the hot hand instead of playing the matchups.

            Meanwhile, when what he does works, its shrugged off as “something any manager would do.” Its rather frustrating, both for Girardi fanboys and the people trying to remain objective.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              Add to that the fact that, no matter what, disgruntled fans are going to blame the manager. It’s part of the whole sports fantasy to believe you could do a better job.

              The IBB to Rodriguez on Friday made me want to throw things. Sabathia still should have gotten Pena out. Mo still should have saved the game. It’s never just the manager.

    • mustang says:

      jjyank says:
      April 8, 2012 at 3:51 pm
      Managers can’t win.

    • mustang says:

      2. it’s always Girardi’s fault if not him its Cashman and we are smarter than the both them.

      Hey jjyank where have you seen this?

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        Appeal to authority more please. It’s not like the site has too much of it already.

        • mustang says:

          Please dude if he would of went with Wade and lost I’m sure you wouldn’t said a thing.

          • mustang says:

            Really easy to call after the fact.

          • JobaWockeeZ says:

            I probably wouldn’t but explain how my complaining makes it a good move.

            • jjyank says:

              He’s just making a point. We all play hindsight, armchair manager, and that’s fun and all, but let’s stop acting like we’re so much smarter than the guys that run the team.

              Second guessing is fun and all, but some people take it a little too seriously around here.

              • JobaWockeeZ says:

                Second guessing something like your ace IBBing in the first inning to Sean Rodriguez can still be defend able because of the numbers.

                This is just common sense. Even if Wade fucks it up the chances of that actually happening are way slimmer.

                • Chip says:

                  I have no problem second guessing the IBB in the first inning. I mean, that was just pure overmanaging but that’s a long ways away from picking a bullpen matchup

            • mustang says:

              It doesn’t but I didn’t see you complaining anytime before the AB only after. Unless I missed it did I?

      • jjyank says:

        Heh I know right?

    • Tom says:

      Because Logan is a LOOGY who had 1 good year against righties. Look at his career #’s. (He’s got a career FIP and xFIP over 5.00 against righties)

      And this is the problem with carrying 2 LOOGY’s in the pen… when you are down a couple of runs Girardi is not allowed to use So, Ro, Mo…. so it’s Wade and the long man or try to steal some outs hoping Rapada and Logan can get righties out.

      This is why there should only be 1 LOOGY in the pen and they need another arm who can pitch low leverage innings (which probably would have been Cabral had he not gotten injured)

    • Tom says:

      So assuming Rapada doesn’t induce a triple play (with just a man on first), who pitches to the right on deck?

      Do we have a Phelps sighting? Or does Girardi go into give up mode?

  178. D-Rob da man says:

    Kepinger really?
    I am stunned.

  179. Johnny says:

    At what point does somebody slap Girardi in order to stop him from doing damage to his team? I won’t count the IBB in Game 1 because at least you can justify that, but leaving Rapada in to give up 4 runs? Shocking that the Yankees came back and would have tied the game if Rapada hadn’t been left in to surrender that many hits. Now, leaving Logan in to face a right-hander? Shocking that he gives up a home run.

    The correct managerial move at this stage is to assume your team will come back. We should be seeing Soriano and Robertson, pitching workloads be damned.

    There is a 0% chance we will see Soriano and Robertson come out.

    Please, everybody buy Earl Weaver’s Weaver on Strategy and send them to Yankee Stadium as gifts addressed to Girardi. If every manager used this book we’d be seeing a higher class of baseball. Girardi especially needs to read up.


    “Why did you pinch hit Chavez instead of Montero in Game 4?”


    • Chip says:

      I see that you have a huge wealth of managerial experience, maybe you should apply for his job?

      I’m glad that you’re all for Torreing our pitchers in the first series of the year. Funny how great their bullpen became after Torre left

    • pat says:

      Where in that book does it tell a left handed power hitter who’s hot as hell to bunt with 2 strikes against a middle reliever?

  180. Captain Gift Basket says:

    This team looks totally outclassed by Tampa this weekend.

  181. Cy Pettitte says:

    uhhh what was that?

  182. jjyank says:

    Wow twice in the series a bunt with two strikes.

  183. Mike Axisa says:

    Nice of Carlos Pena to remind everyone saying “just bunt to beat the shift” isn’t as easy as they think.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      Well you don’t bunt with two strikes and you have to be able to bunt. That was a horrifically stupid call on his part. I still think it’s something to at least pull someone off the shift, or make it less dramatic.

    • jjyank says:

      Yeah, but I don’t think anyone would advocate doing it with two strikes. That’s the head-scratching part.

  184. pat says:

    Maddon has his players so prepared it makes me sick.

  185. Stratman9652 says:

    LMAO at Cory Wade’s reaction to that.

  186. Peter says:

    What a pathetic series. Bad pitching, RISP fail, unproductive outs, Tex pop outs and stupid Girardi’s decisions.

  187. Cy Pettitte says:

    8 shutout innings. just lol.

  188. Mike Axisa says:

    Just has no answer for Hellickson today. Gross.

  189. jjyank says:

    “Let’s show Yankee highlights!”

    *Shows Swisher doing squats in the dugout and 2 doubles*

    “That all adds up to 3-0.”

    Damn you Michael Kay.

  190. Celerino Sanchez says:

    Bottom line is that the pitching staff is way over-rated. Kuroda, Hughes, Nova and Garcia are all question marks and CC won’t be great every year of his time with NY.

    Girardi started over-managing in the first inning of the season – did not work out. Platooning Jeter with Nunez in game two basically lost the game from the first batter with Eduardo Scissorhands and today Ibanez in RF played the ball horribly. The Rays seem to be able to just throw their gloves out on the field against the Yankees and have a good chance to win.

    If Tex continues to be a low average HR or bust type of hitter the lineup will struggle because Grandy basiclly carried the team last year with his great season. Jeter, Cano and A-Rod will be fine. Swisher will continue to mash meaningless homers like yesterday and pop-up in critical situations like today.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      That meaningless HR yesterday meant the Yankees lost with the tying run at the plate.

      I see the Special Ed squad has reported for duty for game threads extra early this season.

      • pat says:

        Extra super early.

      • jjyank says:

        I think I the main reason I am looking forward to a winning streak is so I can not cringe when reading through a game thread.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          ……but we all knew it was coming the moment they lost that first game. There’s an army of….I don’t know what to even call them…..these can’t possibly be “fans,” who take to this forum and pronounce doom at the first sight of hardship, yet here we are responding to them.

          • jjyank says:

            I’m certainly not surprised, just disappointed. I think its safe to go with “Army of Trolls”.

            I’d love to see what this guy would say about the 2012 Red Sox if our pitching staff is so vastly overrated.

            • Celerino Sanchez says:

              Seems pretty clear that the Sox have some major pitching issues. Just because I’m not in love with the Yankees staff doesn’t mean I won’t keep rooting for them every day. Why is an honest opinion causing you guys so much trouble?

              I’ll be sure to not trouble the experts with any thoughts in the future.

              • jjyank says:

                Its just that you’re so pessimistic about almost every facet of the team. A team, mind you, that had the best record in the league last year. Chill out, this is a really really good team, and they will win lots of games.

      • Celerino Sanchez says:

        Yeah and how did that work out for us? You must have simply forgotten that the final score was 8-6. If Swisher struck out and they lost 8-3 the result would have been the same.

        • jjyank says:

          But A-Rod not tying the game does not make Swisher’s efforts meaningless. Why must people be so gloomy?

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          So Alex making the final out with Robbie on base, and down two runs, was Nick Swisher’s fault.

          Hitting a three-run home run, and not a five-run home run, was Nick Swisher’s fault.

          It’s only worth it to so something when it gives the team the lead, and it’s not worth anything when it gets them closer.

          Where did you learn about baseball, exactly?

          • Celerino Sanchez says:

            I don’t see anywhere in my posts where I said it was Swisher’s fault they lost. If I had to put that on anyone it would be Kuroda who didn’t pitch all that well and Rapada who let it get out of control. Was it better than strikeout – absolutely but it doesn’t mean that the HR really changed anything. It made the game closer and game them a chance. They ultimately lost the game. Not Swisher’s fault but it still fgeels like Swisher has done little in big spots like the playoffs since he’s been here.

            • jjyank says:

              But it did change something. It didn’t change the outcome, but it gave the Yankees a chance to win. If A-Rod its a homerun and ties the game, Swisher’s homerun sure meant something. Just because A-Rod got out instead does not diminish Swisher’s contribution. He changed the complexion of the 9th inning. That’s not meaningless.

              • Celerino Sanchez says:

                Perhaps but I think my basic feeling about Swisher not doing much in big spots – today’s pop-up with 2nd and 3rd in 2-0 game for example – makes me not appreciate the HR as much as you.

                Fair to disagree?

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              Except that was a big spot and that was the best possible outcome for Swisher’s at-bat in that circumstance. Again, you’re asking him to have hit a five-run home run.

              • Robinson Tilapia says:

                That being said, yes, if we’re assigning “who’s fault was that loss” t-shirts, I would have given Kuroda and Rapada one as well.

    • Chip says:

      You amuse me. I mean, do real people actually think this sort of thing. Man, you’d hate your life if you were a fan of any other team since they basically all have more question marks than we do

      • Celerino Sanchez says:

        Sorry to enlighten you guys but the landscape has changed. With the big money now available to all of the teams through their regional networks – especially the Rangers and Angels the natural financial advantage we enjoyed has evaporated. Coupled with the desire to drop under the $189M and the international spending cap menas the organization needs to be better and innovative just like some of the other teams that have learned to do more with less. All I’m saying is that I wasn’t feeling that they’d secured some sort of obvious dominant position wth the staff assembled. There are several staffs around baseball that seem better to me.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          LARGE WORDS.

          • Jimmy McNulty says:

            This is worse than the haters. The Angels, Rays, and Phillies all have miles better staffs than the Yankees. The Phillies have three pitchers that could crack the Yankees starting five as do the Angels, and the Rays have four. There’s better staffs and draft spending limits hurt the Yankees, doesn’t mean that they’re cooked but it does mean that they will need to do better.

            • jjyank says:

              And the Yankees have better lineups and bullpens, and (aside from the Rays) AAA pitching depth than all of those teams. What’s your point?

              • Robinson Tilapia says:

                That writing complicated sentences about front offices, payroll, and draft spending makes these screen names that only show up around times like these sound smarter and makes them think they can distract you from their troll-tastic points.

                • Jimmy McNulty says:

                  Okay this is a pretty stupid sentence, on the one hand you’re saying:

                  “Wow, these guys actually have a point that the game’s getting harder and the Yankees competitive advantage isn’t what it used to be, but they’re stupid”

                  to complement that stupidity you also add in:


                  The season just started and the Yankees haven’t won a single game. Of course we only show up when the Yankees lose, so far EVERYONE only shows up when the Yankees lose.

              • Jimmy McNulty says:

                My point is that Tilapia is a stupid fucking homer, and terrible fish. There’s nothing really wrong with what Sanchez said, the game’s getting tougher. The governing body made it tougher with the new CBA, and other teams are building either new parks or new TV networks to bulk up their revenue streams. The Yankees did a lot with their pitching, but we need to stop fooling ourselves to think that it can compete with the truly elite staffs, and to build that top pitching they had to give away one of the best hitting prospects to come around in decades…oh and their shiny new toy’s on the DL.

                As far as LA and Philly’s bullpens? Meh…the Yankees may have a better bullpen, but given how much better those staffs are at the top end the bullpen advantage is minimal. I’m not too familiar with their AAA depth, but the Yankees’ depth got thinned out too, and I have a strong feeling that were overrating the Yankees farm as we are wont to do.

                • Robinson Tilapia says:

                  Hooray. You called me a stupid fucking homer…..because I hang out on a site for fans of the team I root for and enjoy the game whether they win or lose. Yeah. How stupid of me.

                  Is it too early in the season for me to proclaim that McNulty would have been wearing a Met hat in the 80′s?

        • jjyank says:

          Sure, some teams have better pitching than us. But few (if any) have the combination of good pitching, depth, and a good lineup. Don’t be so pessimistic, it’s not good for your health.

          • Celerino Sanchez says:

            Not being pessimistic. Just relating what felt like a lost weekend against a team that doesn’t really have a lineup that should scare you (Keppinger hit 4th on Friday!) yet seems to be able to take advantage of every opportunity where we left the bases loaded three times the first game.

            Frustration – even early in the season and honest opinions should not be chastised. Oh well, like I said in another post, I won’t trouble you with any thoughts in the future.

    • jjyank says:

      Did you just blame Girardi for Nunez’s error? Come on man. Jeter is old, its a turf field, and they wanted to sit Gardner and Ibanez against the tough lefty, hence Nunez and Jones in the game. Nunez is going to play for Jeter and A-Rod throughout the year, this is a fact of life. That’s on Nunez.

      • Celerino Sanchez says:

        Do we really need to start resting guys in Game 2 of 162? Come on.

        • Chip says:

          Yes, I’d like Jeter and A-Rod to be healthy and rested the entire year rather than getting a bit April out of them and having Chavez and Nunez out there the rest of the season

        • jjyank says:

          Jeter was still in the game. The only guys who were really “resting” were Ibanez and Gardner, who are awful versus lefties. If Nunez was going to be in the game, he might as well play the field so that we get the added benefit of taking it easier with the old guys on turf. Why is this so difficult to understand?

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          Somebody put Joba and Cabral on the grounds crew!

    • I'm sexy and I Cano it says:

      I agree with everything you just said. And if it gets this team to 97 wins like it did last year, I’ll take it.

  191. JobaWockeeZ says:

    I am stunned Rapada was forced to the rules of a LOOGY like really is. Baby steps I guess.

  192. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    What happened to the Paul O’Neil theory ?

  193. Mike Axisa says:

    David Phelps is about to start his Hall of Fame career.

  194. pat says:

    Lets go Phelpsie, you either have balls or you don’t. Throw some strikes and don’t compound the problem and you’ll be OK.

  195. i collect brett gardner cards says:

    over under on rapada being here after the ASB?

  196. Kostas says:

    Tampa >>>>>>>>>Girardi+binder

  197. Mike Axisa says:

    Remember when people thought the Pettitte signing was going to block guys like Phelps forever?

  198. i collect brett gardner cards says:

    so according the Joe, he will say he gave the kid a shot since the game was out of reach. right? lol

  199. jimmy says:

    That was a beautiful pitching sequence.

  200. jjyank says:

    Nice AB Phelps!

  201. Cy Pettitte says:

    great CB from Phelps to get johnson

  202. Dela G says:

    What a debut at bat

  203. Dela G says:

    Excellent job by phelps

  204. Cy Pettitte says:

    “Nice job by Warren” lol.

  205. Chip says:

    Phelps is now the second active Yankee with a career 0.00 ERA

  206. pat says:

    That’s what you like to see. Kid comes in, drops a curve, says eff you Ima make my pitches.

  207. mau says:

    David Phelps has better stuff than Phil Hughes

  208. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    Maybe some good news from the farm today ?

  209. Cy Pettitte says:

    Ace is getting wrecked by Detroit

  210. Kevin G. says:

    This team is so good.

  211. Chip says:

    Thank you Miguel Cabrera

  212. pat says:

    Swish with the unclutch walk.

  213. Cy Pettitte says:

    Swish stat padding his OBP

  214. Chip says:

    Garbage time walk

  215. Chip says:

    I’m actually quite glad that Swisher walked there and ruined the CGSO

  216. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    You allowed to wear a hat like that ?

  217. pat says:

    1-1 pitch was a ball.

  218. Joe Girardi's Trapper Keeper says:

    Wow, I’m exhausted. I hope Skip gives me a day off in Baltimore…

  219. Kevin G. says:


  220. Robinson Tilapia says:


    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      Well the guys holding “The End is Nigh” signs aren’t the one that are pretending like there’s nothing wrong with getting swept.

  221. I'm sexy and I Cano it says:

    This series was a microcosm of everything that pissed me off about this team last year. Great way to start the season.

  222. mustang says:

    ALL I learn is that it’s all Girardi fault so I learn nothing new.

  223. Charles says:

    I know its only 3 games into the season, but hypothetically how many games would they have to lose in a row to start the year to make everyone really concerned?

    • 28 this year says:

      Depends how bad they look although it they get swept by Baltimore, I will be angry.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Concerned about what, though? It’s more complicated than that.

      Concerned that they’ve dug themselves into a hole they won’t be able to climb out of at the start of the season? I mean, I’d hate to see them go 0-6, but am I going to throw that out as a number that means anything? No, I’m not.

      They’re going to Baltimore. I’d like to think there’s a better shot than not here of even avoiding the number I just threw out.

    • Tom Zig says:

      0-5 probably. Im annoyed, but not worried.

  224. Zack says:

    If they get swept or lose the series in Baltimore..it will be time to worry.

  225. jjyank says:

    Well it was fun guys. I really hope they win tomorrow so the game thread doesn’t make me sad inside.

  226. Celerino Sanchez says:

    And I’ll be watching every night win or loss, go season or bad…

  227. mustang says:

    How about if people are going criticize Girardi during a game thread they call his mistakes BEFORE they happen?

    We have all the information in front of us and many people seem to think its simple enough so it should be easy.

    No one can argue it if your right.

    • mustang says:

      Just think of how much shorter the game threads would be.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      Well somethings you get to criticize right away. If he lets Boone or Rapada face Cabrera or anyone like that you get to ream him regardless, kinda like Pena bunting with two strikes. I mean I hate the over critiques of Girardi too, but sometimes he does some completely boneheaded things.

      I do appreciate that he’s open to advanced stats and scouting reports to create the right match up, as evidenced by the binder, but I also realize that he’s a manager and baseball managers are dumb by breed. I can’t imagine anyone other than Maddon doing much better than Girardi

    • mustang says:

      I agree but my point is that not too many people will take me up on this because then they can’t just throw out stats after the fact and point fingers.

  228. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Is Hughes even encouraging anymore? I mean he’s a free agent at the end of the year, and it’s not like he’ll be a bargin at that price. I have a hard time envisioning him pitching for another team, but at the same time it doesn’t feel like things are working out for him with the Yankees. He’s either hurt, or being jerked around.

  229. Midland TX says:

    I want to know what kind of bargain with the devil Hellickson made to have that kind of BABIP. How can that crap be sustainable?

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      He’s from the town I live in, so it’s kinda cool to see him succeed. He’s got undeniable skill, though. He’s also on my fantasy team so hopefully his skill catches up with this pitching line before it corrects. ;)

  230. bobtaco says:

    If you are looking at the Yankees from the other side, is there anybody in the lineup that scares the hell out of you every time they come up?

    I don’t see it… maybe Robbie if he is really hot.

    There is no Miggy, Prince, AGonz, Pujols that puts the fear in you every time they are on deck.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      Granderson? A-Rod when healthy? Teixeira hit what 39 HRs last year? Cano was a beast and isn’t susceptible to lefties? I don’t think Gonzo belongs quite in that category and Pujols is aging and isn’t the monster he used to be. There’s really only three or four guys like that in all of baseball: Miggy and Bautista are the only two that are like that all the time…maybe Miggy, Braun, or Pujols…but that’s it.

    • TomH says:

      “If you are looking at the Yankees from the other side, is there anybody in the lineup that scares the hell out of you every time they come up? “

      Apart from Cano, of course there is no one of that calibre. Tex has either been figured out (the shift) and can’t adapt or has gone NYS home-run happy, to the tune of Sinatra singing “All or Nothing At All.” Jeter and ARod are still dangerous but no longer lethal threats because they’re 36 and 37.

      In fact, the Rays even make them look old, by comparison.

      Perhaps the rotation will do the job, but it’s too soon to say. I’m not convinced by Nova, and Freddy surely has a timer attached that is running down. The Pineda thing is very depressing.

      The RISP failures on Friday were appalling. Someone said most losses reveal risp failure. Bah! That’s not what Yankee fans mean: they’re talking about a pattern of failure over several years, often remarked upon on boards like these. Some failure of killer instinct.

      I always rank the organization at “5″ on those weekly polls and see no reason to change. The new financial rules and tv arrangements for others are going to be a real problem for the Yankees.

  231. Darren says:

    couldnt watch the game. how did Hughes look? was his stuff as good as the almost no-hit, exploding hamstring in Texas start?

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      He hasn’t looked that good since he was in the bullpen, he looked okay though. He got too fastball happy early and got beaten pretty bad by Pena a couple of times, but he got some good off speed pitches in. Same old Hughes, though…couldn’t finish hitters and rang up huge pitch counts.

      • Darren says:

        Thanks for the recap. I know there’s still plenty of time for him to turn it around this year but it could get late early for him this year with Pettitte and Pineda coming back.

        But if the worst case scenario is that he goes to the pen and is lights out, I’d take it if 2009 plays out again. Plenty of pitchers flamed out as starters and became top relievers. Yeah it would be disappointing to everyone, especially Hughes’ wallet. The big question would be what happens after this year, but that’s for another day.

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