ST Game Thread: Miami, Part Two


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The Yankees beat the Marlins in their new ballpark last night, and now it’s time for round two. There will be a few more people in the stands as they build up towards Opening Day, but it’s still just a Spring Training game. Hiroki Kuroda will throw 60 or so pitches in his final tuneup before the regular season, and that will be that. Here’s the lineup…

SS Derek Jeter
DH Curtis Granderson
2B Robinson Cano
3B Alex Rodriguez
1B Mark Teixeira
RF Nick Swisher
DH Raul Ibanez
C Russell Martin
CF Brett Gardner

RHP Hiroki Kuroda

Available Pitchers: RHP Phil Hughes, RHP David Robertson, RHP Rafael Soriano, LHP Boone Logan, RHP George Kontos, RHP Brandon Pinder, RHP Mark Montgomery, LHP Juan Cedeno, and SwP Pat Venditte.

Available Position Players: C Gus Molina, 1B Doug Bernier, 2B Bill Hall, SS Ramiro Pena, 3B Eduardo Nunez, LF Justin Maxwell, CF Abe Almonte, RF Chris Dickerson, and DH Andruw Jones will replace the starters.

Tonight’s game starts at 7:05pm ET and can be seen on MLB Network. The blackout has been lifted in the Tri-State Area. Enjoy.


  1. Ethan says:

    The announcers explained why the stadium looked empty yesterday. It was a “soft” opening so they didn’t have the whole stadium open. This is the first game where all seats were for sale.

  2. Stratman9652 says:

    Has Venditte pitched in a ST game for the big club yet? Really wanna see him just for the novelty of it.

  3. wilbo says:

    A-rod looked pretty happy with himself after taunting the umpire…looked like girardi almost had to restrain the ump

    • Chip says:

      Hahaha, yeah the ump was definitely coming after him

    • handtius says:

      what happened? still working.

      • Mattchu12 says:

        Cano kind of lingered in front of the plate, and unknowingly (it appears) blocked the catcher from throwing to second on a steal. Just way too much drama for a Spring Training game. A-Rod was just being a good teammate and having Cano’s back, but Cano was in the wrong.

        • Havok9120 says:

          ARod had some kinda jibe for the Diaz(the ump), who then proceeded to flip out. He and Girardi had already been yelling. I would like to know what ARod said though, because he was grinning and Diaz looked like he wanted to deck him.

          • MannyGeee says:

            Likely something about miami being his town and to enjoy being middle class after the game while ARod eats sushi off naked (and more than likely muscular) woman…. Or maybe thats what I always assume a Rods arguments sound like.

  4. Karl Krawfid says:

    Damn Joey Votto

    • Ethan says:

      Seems insanely high to me

      • Chip says:

        Waaaaay insanely high

        • GardnergoesYardner says:

          Total mistake by the Reds. That kind of deal, unless given to a surefire asset (like Top 5 MLB) will handicap a team for years. Heck, even if it is given to a Top 5 MLB player, it’ll still handicap a team.

          I get that the Reds are trying to win, but the Cardinals and Brewers just lost 2 of the best 1B men in the league and they could easily take the division from the Reds. You don’t need that one 200 mil guy to win.

          • thenamestsam says:

            Agree, especially if they’re seriously ratcheting up the payroll. If they’re planning on scaling the payroll up dramatically then it’s not the best way to allocate your resources, but Votto is a damn good guy to have and it won’t kill you. If they’re keeping the payroll approximately where it is, then this is a potential franchise crippler.

  5. Havok9120 says:

    Heh. ARod helping out Girardi with Diaz.

  6. Chip says:

    That was a pretty pathetic sell job by Buck too, I can’t believe Diaz bought it

  7. Rey22 says:

    Wow, this broadcast team is awful. “The Yankees have Kuroda under control through arbitration for 2 more years. Incredible how he got 10M on his first time through arbitration.”

  8. xyzyx says:

    Kuroda gives up an earned run. Somewhere Tim Kurkjian nods knowingly.

  9. thenamestsam says:

    Peter Gammons tweeted: NL Scout: “Before you pass judgement on Pineda, Jose Campos was the best young pitcher I saw this winter – easy 100″

    Drool. Although I hope the scout wasn’t implying that Campos is the only reason not to sour on the trade. But still, drool.

  10. Havok9120 says:

    These announcers are making my head hurt.

  11. Ac says:

    Soft opening , right. I don’t believe that bs for a minute. He knew he was gonna have to answer questions with a lot of empty seats very visible.

    • Havok9120 says:

      We even heard that that was the case last night. I believe it. It really does make sense to do; dry runs help a lot when opening a new place and I imagine that that’s only more true when you’re talking a place as big as a ballpark.

    • Justin Maxwell's Silver Hammer (formerly Rainbow Connection) says:

      Why all the anger towards the Marlins? Is it b/c Yanks tickets sell like shit and you want everyone else to fail, too?

      • Needed Pitching says:

        “Is it b/c Yanks tickets sell like shit and you want everyone else to fail, too?”

        didn’t they have the second best attendance in baseball last year?

        • Havok9120 says:

          Responding to Rainbow is a losing proposition. Surely you know that; you’ve been here longer than I have.

  12. Naved says:

    Little off topic but Montero just got beamed in the head in a spring training game.

    he is a champ got back up

    • Havok9120 says:

      Oh crud. Leave Jesus alone you stupid pitchers. Meanwhile,

      “He got to his feet AND WAS RESTRAINED by manager Eric Wedge and trainer Rick Griffin…”

      Eh, wot? Breathe dude.

    • Jared says:

      Not to be a grammar cop, but perhaps you meant BEANED in the head? Which is itself a redundancy. BEAMED in the head sound like what happened to Kentucky fans last night. And their houseguests. So pardon the late hit. Does anyone know if Costco sells alka seltzer?

  13. GardnergoesYardner says:

    I know this is really off topic, but would be it reasonable for Cano to ask for close to 200 million in light of the Votto deal?

    He plays a premier position, hits for power and average, is a plus defensively, and stays on the field for most of the 162 game season. How is that any worse than Votto?

    I think the Yankees have to accept that they had their discount with Cano, and now it’s time to pay up or he’s gone.

    • Chip says:

      And he has Boras as an agent. He’ll probably start at 220 million and could make a good case for it

    • Countryclub says:

      It’s why I don’t expect him to be a Yankee after next yr and I wouldn’t blame the team at all if they let him walk at those prices.

      • Havok9120 says:

        This. I’d love to keep him, but at that kind of price, and the years that will go with it? I’d be happy if we re-upped him at those rates because he’s Robbie, but I’d also breathe a sigh of relief if we let him walk.

        • GardnergoesYardner says:

          I don’t know if I’d necesarily breathe a sigh of relief if he left, but in the austerity tax driven days ahead, it will be important to make samrt desicions. For the Yankees, that means not even considering Grandy, and talking with Cano to a point. Young, affordable options are going to become so important.

          Mason Williams, we need you now more than ever.

          • Needed Pitching says:

            It doesn’t seem like they’d be able to find enough cheap and good offensive options to field a solid offense for 2014, especially with Jeter, ARod, and possibly Tex declining by then. Seems they will have to sign at least one big-money hitter in the next couple of seasons, and Robbie might be the best option for that.

            • Havok9120 says:

              I have no problem with the team writing a big check for, say, eight years, 25/per. But when we start talking 10 years, I cringe, even if would “save” few million per year by going in longer. If you were able to assure me that he’d stick with good D at 2B until he was 37 then I’d be much more comfortable with another decade of Robbie.

              It’ll all depend on what he and Boras want.

          • Countryclub says:

            In Cano’s case I think it will have much less to do with 189 mil and more to do with learning lessons from the Arod deal. They’re not going to want another 40 yr old making 20+ mil a yr

            • Needed Pitching says:

              the problem is, how do you replace the offense?
              Seems like they’d either have to empty the farm to trade for 1-2 young stud hitters or they are going to have to go big with somebody (at least 1) in free agency, whether signing their own guys or a free agent.

              • Countryclub says:

                I understand; won’t be an easy decision, that’s for sure.

              • Havok9120 says:

                Well, in the short term, if Cano and his prospective 20 million aren’t on the books, it becomes much easier to keep Granderson/Swish and maybe Martin. That at least ensures that the drop in offense won’t be any worse than it has to be.

                Its beyond the ability of any team in the league to “replace” Robbie Cano’s offense. He’s one of the 3 or 5 best hitters in baseball. But unless the offense falls off a cliff in the next 2 years, we’ll hardly be punchless. Because of that, I don’t see them overpaying, and I’m afraid that Boras will expect us to overpay compared to what he could get elsewhere just because we’re the Yankees and he’s homegrown. And that’s saying something, because the market will probably be insane. The Dodgers will be bad enough, but I don’t think the Phillies will want to be impotent forever. Boston may be in the market for some more offense by then as well.

                • Needed Pitching says:

                  Resigning Granderson and/or Swish raise similar problems though. Both would command significant dollar extensions likely lasting past their prime years (though granted not as high dollar or long as a Cano contract)

                  Not saying they have to sign Cano, but it seems they will have to sign someone to at least a relatively big money contract carrying into their late thirties. The austerity budget will definitely force some tough decisions.

                  • Havok9120 says:

                    Oh, they definitely raise the exact same concern. But the money and years would probably be (at least somewhat) less than Cano, unless Granderson keeps going at last year’s clip (at which point I probably let him go and pay Robbie whatever it is he wants).

                    • Needed Pitching says:

                      if nothing else, it should make for some fun rosterbating over the next couple of years

                • OldYanksFan says:

                  “He’s one of the 3 or 5 best hitters in baseball.”

                  and yet he was 23rd in OPS last year.

                  • Havok9120 says:

                    Are you going to argue my point or just throw stats that, rightfully, take more into account than natural hitting ability?

      • vin says:

        David Adams, come on down!

    • RetroRob says:

      Wow, so if I understand this deal correctly, they signed him to a ten-year *extension*, which doesn’t kick in until 2014, taking him through 2023, a year in which he turns 40? $22.5 million per? He’ll be a year older than Teixeira was when his contract kicks in, and three years older than Teixeria when it ends.

      • Havok9120 says:

        Yup. 10 year deal on top of the last two years of the current deal. All told its going to be 12 years ~252 million.

        • GardnergoesYardner says:

          Wait are you serious? I was under the impression that it was including his current deal.

          My opinion of Walt Jocketty’s negotiating skills just reached an all time low.

          • Havok9120 says:

            From MLBTR:

            “The ten-year deal will keep Votto in Cincinnati through 2023 according to Nightengale, indicating that it’s ten years on top of the two years left on his current deal. Votto signed a three-year, $38MM extension prior to last season. With this new deal, he is now under contract for the next 12 years at a total price of $251.5MM.”

            • Needed Pitching says:

              yeah, they seems like an overpay for a guy 2 years from free agency, especially in terms of years

              • MannyGeee says:

                Meh, the reds were fucked over a barrell either way. They either overpay (incredibly grossly, I might add) to keep the face of the franchise or risk him going the way of Pujols and not taking the money even if it’s there in 2 off seasons.

            • RetroRob says:

              That’s just insane. Tex’s contract worried me because it takes him up through age 36, and we’re seemingly already seeing signs of decline. You would think the Ryan Howard contract would have given the Reds pause when it comes to signing a long-term contract while the current one still has two years on it.

      • steve (different one) says:

        that’s nuts. although it does show you how long teams have just been sitting on their money, blaming the yankees for everything. the league is flush with cash, it’s about time the other 25 owners started spending some.

        • Havok9120 says:

          This. The Angels with their media contract was one thing, but the Royals, A’s, Rays, and Reds are all increasing payroll, even if its just with extensions. The fact that this is all happening together makes me think that Oakland isn’t the team the League got on this offseason about spending.

  14. Chip says:

    Wow, how often do you see Cano walk with the bases loaded and less than 2 outs?

  15. RetroRob says:

    Joe Espada? Who?

  16. RetroRob says:

    Can someone please get him to shut up.

  17. DM says:

    Montero got beaned.

  18. PS says:

    Since the Marlins turned over the in-game interview duties to their 3B coach, do the Yankees have theirs done by one of the locker room attendants ?

  19. Mattchu12 says:

    During these spring training games, I don’t worry much about the numbers, I look more at how close the ball ends up to where the catcher is setting up. Kuroda seems to hit the glove more than any pitcher I have seen, not including Cliff Lee. I like.

    • smurfy says:

      and Mariano, right?

      Hey, the picture of Mo at the top of the thread, they should blow it up, and put it on the ceiling where Michael Pineda sleeps.

      • Mattchu12 says:

        And Mo. Though I don’t worry about him hitting the glove. If he doesn’t hit the glove, that just means the catcher was wrong.

    • RetroRob says:

      I’m looking forward to a season of Kuroda and Pettitte. They are the anti-AJs. They can have the bases loaded and I’m not going to be concerned.

      • Havok9120 says:

        It’ll be like having Andy and Moose again. Both of them wound up being guys that would pitch around hits and walks, give up a run or three, and throw 6 or 7 innings. Models of consistency.

        • Mattchu12 says:

          You can’t teach that. There’s extreme value in working out of trouble. You’re going to give up hits, you’re going to give up walks, you’re going to give up runs in this game. Going 6+ and allowing 3 or less, that’s so underrated.

      • Steve S. says:

        I’m looking forward to a season of Kuroda and Pettitte. They are the anti-AJs.

        Everybody seems to love the fireballers, but I’ll gladly watch guys like those two pitch every day of the week. What I like about guys like that is they have a plan B, C and D. The power pitchers generally either have it or they don’t.

  20. smurfy says:

    nice run, Ibanez!

  21. RetroRob says:

    So Jeter has a double, but he’s 0-1? New math.

  22. Havok9120 says:

    Ibanez showing off the glove….

    It was a very nice play, but the less of him I see in the outfield the happier I’ll be.

  23. RetroRob says:

    BTW Has anyone noticed that the camera angle in the Marlins’ new park seems to make the pitcher looker smaller and the distance from the mound to home plate seem further than usual?

  24. keithr says:

    Did anyone else’s MLBN feed to go this “30 in 30″ preview of the Orioles? What the fuck?

  25. smurfy says:

    Z doesn’t like these Yankee hitters. No holes.

  26. Havok9120 says:

    Good night for the Old Guys tonight.

  27. smurfy says:

    almost gave Cano a fb on the hip

  28. Tom Zig says:

    Mike Dunn!

  29. Ethan says:

    Just seeing that Cain signed a 6 year extension. Too bad, I was hoping the Yankees would go after him this coming offseason.

    • Mattchu12 says:

      Reasons why Pineda was the right decision? This.
      Hamels will sign an extension next, bank on it.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        Reasons why Pineda was/wasn’t the right decision? We’ll see in a few years…

        And it makes no sense whatsoever to sign a market deal with the Phillies who are cash strapped from horrendous deals with other players when he can go into free agency as the best of the crop.

        • Mattchu12 says:

          Fair enough. But even if he doesn’t sign an extension, he will sign for mega-bucks because other young, talented starters are signing extensions.

          And because of that, you acquire Pineda. No doubt about it.

      • RetroRob says:

        Yup. Certainly that was the reasoning behind the Pineda deal. It’s also why they will not be trading Manny, and why they will not be going after Hamels.

        If I’m Hamels, though, I roll the dice and do not sign a contract extension with the Phillies. Crazy money out there.

      • steve (different one) says:

        I agree with your logic, but if Hamels doesn’t sign an extension I think the Dodgers will blow him away.

      • Steve S. says:

        Actually, the odds of Hamels signing an extension just went way down. The Phils were trying to get him to sign for around 4 years/20 per, now his price just went way up. Unless the Phils get scared and cave (which is unlikely since I’ve ready reports they’re losing 13M per year as it is) then I have to think odds have increased that he’ll hit the market at the end of the year.

        • Mattchu12 says:

          This is a very good point. All the same, the more young players that sign extensions, the less there will be on the market, so I’d bet Hamels’ free agent price just went way up. So still, very happy to have Pineda.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      League average k rate with a really really lucky HR rate won’t bode well in the AL East or YS3. He’ll be good but closer to league average that what his sub 3 ERA says if he’s on the team.

      Certainly not worth the most expensive RHP contract in history. Hamels on the other hand would be completely worth it.

      • Mike Axisa says:

        It’s not a “really really lucky HR rate” if he’s done it for seven years and over 1,300 innings. That’s like saying Ichiro’s BABIP will regress at some point.

        • Steve S. says:

          He does give up a ton of fly balls for a righty pitching in YS3 (though he was better at generating grounders last year). That would be my biggest concern.

      • Havok9120 says:

        Not for us. Not with the budget. It’d be too easy to kill the offense if we sign another 20M+/yr deal.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Somewhere in the locker room of that shit ugly stadium, Anibel Sanchez just realized he will be the prize of the 2013 FA Pitching crop…

  30. CS Yankee says:

    Things ive noticed from watching the game tonight (missed yesterday’s);
    1) Their logo is like 50% larger than any other teams
    2) The ads seem to be local & cultural basis
    3) Heavy use of the art-deco South Miami-Beach look
    4) Puke green walls clash with the red dirt warning track and Kentucky bluegrass
    5) Kuroda has poise, no panic look
    6) Boone is still Boone (in a bad way)
    7) Bats look great for the Yanks…Grandly/Swish/Jeet/Arod are all ready for Friday
    8) my iPad corrects arod to Arod…way cool

    • Needed Pitching says:

      ” Boone is still Boone (in a bad way)”

      I laughed (unfortunately)

    • MannyGeee says:

      Miami has had Goya signs in their stadium for a hot minute though… Unless Juan Valdez is the new sponsor, this is alWays what it’s been

  31. Chip says:

    Man, I’ve missed that swing from Arod

  32. RetroRob says:

    Is that Joba pitching? Amazing comeback.

  33. Monterowasdinero says:

    Beckett, Bailey, Crawford injury issues… Bobby V is going to be a trip if they get off to a crappy start.

    • Foghorn Leghorn says:

      bailey and crawford could miss significant time. wrists and hand injuries are not easy to deal with.

      their bullpen rests on two old friends in Melancon and Aceves who is pissed about being put there.

    • Havok9120 says:

      Becket’s hurt? Huh what now?

      That’d be a disaster for them. And I never heard what happened to Bailey.

      • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

        He has a thumb problem, went to see a doctor in Texas.

        • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

          Bailey has the same problem, but it sounds more threatening than Beckett’s injury

          • Foghorn Leghorn says:

            Beckett, Lester and Bucholz are going to have to pitch 8 innings every start. That pen is going to get beat up.

            • Mattchu12 says:

              Shouldn’t have moved Bard from the bullpen. Beane knows pitching, I’m still extremely skeptical that Bailey isn’t going to fall apart.

              I know general logic says “starter > reliever”, but Bard wasn’t showing anybody up as a starter in the minors and his spring isn’t much better.

              • MannyGeee says:

                Ace will be in the rotation by June… Trust. Bard is gonna be an abortion the third time through the lineup, Beckett can’t stay healthy, and when vincente Padilla is the answer, you’re pretty fucked

                That team is such a mess I almost feel sorry for them…


            • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

              The main difference between them and last year’s Yankees is that last year, the Yankees had a great bullpen so they could live with mediocre starting pitching. This year’s Red Sox don’t really have that with Bard in the rotation and Papelbon in Philly. So yeah, they’ll be lots of pressure on those three and on the offense.

              • Foghorn Leghorn says:

                Agree completely. Many people are comparing this years sox to last years’ Yanks, but the Yanks pen was (and still is) very deep.

                I’m so confused by the Sox offseason. They lose their closer who has been a top 5 for his career and has never been injured. They move the heir apparant to the rotation. Sign two young guys, one who is oft injured and the other who is inproven. Then they play with Aceves head and he’s now pissed off. And if that isn’t enough they decide to bring back two guys who weren’t effective in Albers and Miller.

                On the offensive side I think they should’ve let Papi walk and they should’ve kept Scutaro.

                • RetroRob says:

                  Maybe Red Sox fans are hoping that they are this year’s version of last year’s Yankees, but I don’t see it. The Red Sox collapse last year was caused by lack of depth. That is still their problem.

                  Even if Freddy and Colon didn’t turn out as well as they did, they Yankees did have a fleet of arms in the minors to call on, and a deep bullpen. The Red Sox do not have those arms to call on and their bullpen is an issue. They have the same flaw as last year, with the difference being they are starting the season with lack of depth, where last year it appeared later on, making them worse.

                  I’m not picking on the Red Sox just because they are the Red Sox. I thought after the collapse they would address their problems, so I was generally positive toward their outlook in 2012. I no longer am because they didn’t address their short comings, and in fact weakened themselves in other areas, such as trading away both their SS’s.

                  • Tom says:

                    Yeah…. I’m stunned the Red Sox didn’t get an innings eater in the back of the rotation and just went the minor league deal route (Cook, Silva, Padilla). I assumed after dumping Scutaro for peanuts they would use that money to sign a starter.

                    With the offense they have they need a Freddy Garcia type – someone who will give you 6 innings and at least keep it close; it would also let them put Bard back in the pen (where he belongs).

                    Doubront is their 4th starter and Bard (who is probably on an innings limit) is the 5th…. and it’s not like Beckett and Bucholz are workhorses either. I guess they are assuming they can get something at the deadline but there will be more teams in contention with the extra wild card and probably a tighter market for rental starters.

                  • MannyGeee says:

                    perception is reality… the perception was that the FO and coaching was the issue.

                    it was Tito that let those great scrappy pitchers eat and drink themselves into a collapse and didnt let Wakefield get to 250 wins last season so he could live in Red Sox infamy.

                    It was Theo that got Lackey for above market rate and didnt get the league to change the Sunday night games so A-Gon could rest more. so in came Cherington and Bobby V.

                    nevermind the injuries, the fried chicken and Natty Light, the overall ineffectiveness from Sept 1 forward, the in-fighting, the glaring holes in the rotation past Lester/ Beckett/Bucholtz, the dormant bottom 1/3 of the order… Tito & Theo had to land on that sword.

  34. smurfy says:

    Ibanez goes back ok. He read that low liner fine. Good night for the Old Guys, indeed.

  35. smurfy says:

    Man, that’s encouraging: Brett has smacked two liners tonight, hard.

  36. RetroRob says:

    That is an inside-the-park HR is that ball got by Stanton. In fact, during the regular season with Gardner running, it’s almost too dangerous to even attempt the dive.

  37. mike_h says:

    Hughes looking good so far

  38. Chip says:

    Hughes is flashing some control that I don’t think we’ve seen since 2009 or so

  39. smurfy says:

    Phil’s looking solid, tho that last out was a screamer at Robbie.

  40. Rey22 says:

    Man, Hughes has looked lights out this spring. Really excited for his 2012 season.

  41. Mattchu12 says:

    I love that even at 92, they aren’t getting good swings on Hughes. Good sign.

  42. smurfy says:

    Fastball’s dandy, command, and he’s spotting around. Liked his climbing the ladder lat hitter. Curves, uh, could be sharper.

  43. Mike E says:

    Wow, Hughes is getting way too many swings and misses with the fastball. It’s cutting ever so slightly.

  44. BK2ATL says:

    Matt Cain just extended with the Giants.

    Greinke up next? Then Hamels?

    • Havok9120 says:

      Only one of those two will extend, if either of them do. The one who doesn’t will be the only game in town, and they’ll know it.

      • BK2ATL says:

        Thing is, both are willing to take less to stay where they are, just not substantially less.

        But if Hamels hits the market, he’ll be a LA Dodger. They’ll pay him whatever he wants, to team him up with Kershaw.

  45. Mike E says:

    Good chance Coghlan grounds out from Hughes’ spring training numbers thus far.

  46. Steve S. says:

    What strikes me about the Votto, Fielder, and Pujols contracts is that the Yankees signed the (then) best player in the game to a similar deal, and no matter how much you love Alex we all have to admit that contract is an albatross. One that will only get heavier as the years progress. So what does these other teams do? Some of whom have a fraction of the revenues the Yankees have? That’s right, they go ahead and sign their own A-Rod type deal.

    It also tells me that revenue sharing is working its magic. These teams are awash in cash all across the game.

    • smurfy says:

      yeah, but I agree with your first thought. They seem to spend like kids in a candy store. Flaming hearts a few years, then will live in regret.

    • CJ says:

      True. Lots of cash. No fear of an albatross.

    • CS Yankee says:

      How does Votto, a 1Bman get 65M$ more than Kemp, a CFer?

      Seems like the Fielder, Votto and Cain contracts are way too extreme. Fielder isn’t the best glove and has weight concerns which will only compound with age, Votto is already 28 and has two left on his current deal and this is a 10 year extension at over 22M$/yr average, and Cain is the poster child of a #2 SP.

      The Votto & Cain deals feels like Dodger scare come this offseason. Cole has to be thinking of leaving the aging and injured cheesesteaks and be the most overpaid #2 (passing Cain) for about 150M$. Insane.

      • RetroRob says:

        As great as he is, add Pujols in there, too.

        Perhaps the way-too-extreme is now the new normal. It’s not even like the Yankees or the Red Sox are participating driving up the prices.

      • Steve S. says:

        What about Pujols? He’s already showed signs of decline, plus he’s been banged up the past few years, so the Angels gave him big $ from now until the end of time. He’s 32 and they gave him 10 years. TV contract or not, that’s just crazy.

        • CS Yankee says:


          not a deal I’ve would have done for a 32 year old with a questionable arm or shoulder. However, he is a household name, they needed to capture some ground while the Dodgers ownership were in the toilet, and they didn’t have much for bats.

          Plus they get rid of Nap for nothing, take the Wells contract on, and have a “George” type as an owner (passion, money and erratic).

          But yeah, I agree.

          • CS Yankee says:

            Plus they get rid of Nap for nothing, take the Wells contract on, and have a “George” type as an owner (passion, money and erratic).

            This was meant to show previously poor decisions and that it is more expected from the Angels than the Reds (who don’t fill the seats or have big TV money) or the Giants who have to pay for their stadium and have a pitchers parks throughout their division (less Rox); who one would think would need to spend more for a bat than an arm.

  47. Mike E says:

    As much crap as Brian Cashman is getting for Pineda’s shoulder tendinitis, imagine if he’d traded that crazy package for Ubaldo Jimenez? The guy is not only throwing with much lower velocity, but he’s clearly a nutcase. Even if its for a straight Montero package, I’d take a sore Pineda over a crazy Jimenez any day.

    • Mattchu12 says:


      For all the trades that he doesn’t make that we like to complain about (Haren, Halladay, Lee if those were even his fault), he’s been really smart to avoid moves like Jimenez, Santana, Lackey. I always worried about how his arm looked like it was going to snap with that delivery, but clearly there are other issues that I’m gad we don’t have to deal with.

      • Steve S. says:

        Haren-it’s always been my understanding Haren wanted to go to the west coast.

        Halladay-Never got serious. There’s no way Ricchardi could have traded him in-division and survived.

        Lee-deal was in place, and Jack Z decided he liked Smoak more than Montero.

        I don’t blame Cash one bit for any of those. On Jiminez, looks like their advance scouts didn’t like what they saw, plus IIRC they weren’t allowed to see his medicals, which ended the deal right there. O’Dowd took a rookie GM in Antonelli to school.

        • Mattchu12 says:

          Haren – Everything I’ve heard was that it was centered around Joba, and I just don’t believe that can be true. That’s too easy to pull a trigger on, they had decided Joba was a bullpen guy by then.

          Halladay – Completely agree.

          Lee – I was referring to when Lee was a free agent, which I think was simply all about Lee liking Philly on a crazy level.

    • Steve S. says:

      The video of that beaning was hilarious. He not only drills Tulo, but then immediately runs towards him as if to say “YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? YOU WANT SOME MORE?

      Yeah, it was clearly unintentional. He should win his appeal.

      • Mike E says:

        It looked as if Jimenez was charging the mound before the ball even hit Tulo. He makes it so obvious, and with Bud Selig in the crowd. What’s going through this guys head?

        • CS Yankee says:

          He was charging off the mound because he thought it was a passed ball and he had to cover home.


  48. tony says:

    From what I’ve seen from Jeter this spring, driving the ball like he has, i am expecting a 2009 like year for him

  49. smurfy says:

    Bill Hall defused a nasty hop to get that one.

  50. Needed Pitching says:


  51. Steve S. says:

    Heath Bell hasn’t been passing by too many drive-thrus lately, huh?

    That contract is going to work out just great.

    • Havok9120 says:

      Fox Sports: Marlins has been having a lot of fun with Bell tonight. Apparently he did some bartending the other night at the new bar/restaurant behind the bullpen.

      Maybe he’s just been spending too much time in that place.

    • RetroRob says:

      Yeah, I know he’s always been beefy, but he really looks big now.

  52. smurfy says:

    What a great night! Now Rob’tson is unhittable.

  53. Steve S. says:

    Next time someone cites ST stats, remember that D-Rob just struck out a guy (on 3 pitches) who spent all of last year in low-A ball.

  54. mustang says:

    Pujols $ 254, Fielder $214, and Votto $225 but when the Yankees give Cano his big contract they will be the ones ruining baseball.


    • CS Yankee says:

      Those teams only gave that money out because the Yankees already ruined baseball.


      • JohnnyC says:

        The Tigers and Reds received between 25 and 40 million dollars in revenue sharing last year. Until 2014, they figure to continue to get that amount each year. I think they can afford to splurge on a couple of high octane contracts.

  55. gc says:

    Well, Kentucky did their job tonight and won the NCAA title. Now the Yanks need to do their’s and win the World Series this year! 1949, 1951, 1958, 1978, 1996, 1998……2012!!!!

  56. Alfredo says:

    I went to the game yesterday. This is my second time going to the Marlins stadium this year and it looked better than before. Also it is way better looking in person than on tv. By the way go Yankees!!!!

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