Saturday Night Open Thread

2012 Draft: Addison Russell
Mustelier has huge night in win

Kerry Wood was a Yankee for only three months, but I don’t think anyone didn’t like the guy. He was easy to root for — so talented but so sabotaged by his own body — and essentially an underdog despite his pedigree. Wood, 34, announced his retirement from baseball yesterday, facing one final batter before hanging up the spikes for good. He retires with a career 10.6174 K/9, the best by a right-handed pitcher in baseball history (min. 1,000 IP). By Game Score, his 20-strikeout game in 1998 was the best pitched nine-inning game in baseball history*. He was 20 years old at the time. We’re always going to wonder what might have been if not for the injuries, but Wood still managed to have a damn fine career. Congrats to him for being able to call it quits on his own terms.

Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. MLB Network will air a game later tonight plus there’s some NBA playoff action going on somewhere, but talk about whatever you like here. Have at it.

* My favorite factoid about that game: the Astros’s 3-4-5 hitters — Jeff Bagwell, Jack Howell, and Moises Alou — went a combined 0-for-9 with nine strikeouts. That’s just nuts. Also, make sure you check out my FanGraphs post on Wood’s retirement. /self-promotion

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2012 Draft: Addison Russell
Mustelier has huge night in win
  • Tyrone Sharpton

    brandon morrow had the 4th best game according to Game Score. that right there shocks the fck outta me

    • pat

      Who got too drunk last night and woke up too late to put Morrow in their starting lineup? THIS GUY!!

  • Arya

    We’ve got an 82-80 team. Nova has regressed. Kuroda has one good game, one bad, one good, one bad. Hughes has shown promise of late. But it’s the offense that is old and run down.

    Brett Gardner’s injury really hurt. Alex can’t play more than 2 straight games, Jeter’s coming back to earth and Teixera has been benched with a cold. Something needs to change or this has all the makings of a .500 team.

    • Bo Knows

      Nova’s peripherals have improved dramatically, his “regression” is on a stupidly high BABIP, and homer rate

    • jjyank

      Your concerns are valid, but this is certainly not an 80-82 win team.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Oh they’ll win 82 games. They’re just not going to stop there.

        • jjyank

          Ha good call, you know what I mean.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Robinson, I disagree with this guy.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      If everything continues to go wrong you’re right.

  • Erica

    I was at the game today. Sigh. I’ll save my thoughts for the recap but I did get me a sweet Yankees license plate frame and met Bald Vinny at his tee-shirt stand after the game (got a tee too). Really, really cool guy.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      So how was it? Where’s the pic of Erica holding a footlong Parm sandwich? COME ON.

      • Erica

        I nearly left the game in the 8th inning, which I NEVER do. My dad and I left our seats, browsed the team store and once we saw they were rallying, we snuck over to the top of the field level seats to watch.

        PSH, that footlong parm sandwich? Couldn’t take a pic because I ATE IT TOO FAST.***

        ***There was no parm sandwich.

        • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat)

          Was your dad busy playing Armchair GM again?

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Duh Innings is your dad?

            • Jesse

              That Duh Innings guy got banned, right?

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Did Mike say something about that? I just thought he’s still here, but posting under another name.

          • Erica

            He was a little bit of Armchair GM and a little bit of, “they have Mason Williams in the minors THEY SHUD BRING HIM UP!!!!11one” and I was thinking, wtf you know about Mason.

            Honestly, I was just getting sad about the game. Sad and just sad. So that’s why we decided to exit Section 312.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Tyrone Sharpton is your dad?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I’ve been known to try to get out in the 9th to beat the logjam that forms at the carousel closest to the B/D at 161st. Hate that.

          Losses you’re at are that much tougher to stomach. You leave to dead silence. Always true.

          • Mainer

            Not too mention the bottle neck to get thru the turnstiles

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Half of that is that it takes people who aren’t used to MTA taking twice as long to swipe that Metrocard.

              The feeling of getting a seat on that first D train pulling away: so good.

              • Mainer

                …or they don’t have enough $$ on their cards. The look on their faces when they realize it is funny/sad…….

                • Erica

                  ORRRRR when the stupid Metrocard machine took fare and still didn’t let me pass through.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            More of a bottleneck than a logjam, actually.

  • DERP

    I started Kyle Seager in Fangraphs: The Game today. Pretty pleased with myself.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Posted something late in the game thread which probably wasn’t seen. Didn’t watch the game. Only saw the stats.

    I don’t know what to say. 5 ER in 6 innings, but with 12 strikeouts. Something is clearly right, and something clearly isn’t.

    • Jesse

      Dingers, man, dingers. They give up too many of them, sadly.

      • Bo Knows

        I would like to see a post/data on Nova’s FB, it doesn’t seem to be breaking the way it did last year. I recall more than a few times, last year where it would drift up, and/or over the middle but get smashed into the ground…this year they get smacked for XBH.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      If hitters make contact with him he gets shithammered. He’s got like a HR/FB ration of 20%. Unsustainably high, sure, but he’s allowed more XBHs than any starter, IIRC. He’s allowed three triples, twenty two doubles, and 10 HRs. He’s only faced 220 batters, btw.

  • VinRae

    Who had the overall ‘better’ start, Hughes or Nova?

  • JohnnyC

    Nova lost today because Russell Martin thought Ivan was the right-handed version of Ron Guidry. 2-1 slider to Votto was just stupid considering it’s Joey Effing Votto in Yankee Stadium where shallow flies become home runs in rightfield. Outside mistakes rarely leave the infield. Inside mistakes leave the yard. Went for the K instead of inducing an inning ending DP. Even in the post-game, Nova said his strength is getting grounders not Ks.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Like I said, I didn’t watch the game, but this is what I’m inferring from everything I’m seeing as well. He’s simply more effective when he’s getting the ground ball. It’s impressive to strike out 12 in six innings, but it doesn’t get you anywhere in the end if you’re not giving your team a chance to win.

      He’ll get there. We’ve seen him do this before. No reason to believe he can’t do it again.

      • JohnnyC

        His slider was moving sharply early on…that’s how he got most of his Ks. But, with men on base AND a hitter the caliber of Votto up you don’t proceed like there’s no on on base. Sure, he struck out on a slider in the dirt previously but the wiser play would have been trying to get him to roll over something offspeed going down and away. DP ends the inning. But Martin really shows little intuition for calling a game. More than just rest is the reason Stewart handled Pettitte on Friday and is CC’s regular backstop.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Nova hung a slider and it’s the catcher’s fault? Catchers get way too much of the blame (and credit). They’re not the guys throwing the pitches. If Nova puts that pitch where it was intended, there’s a much different outcome.

          • JohnnyC

            You’re assuming that Votto chases another slider in the dirt. The count was 2-1 not 1-2. If he takes it, it’s 3-1 and then you’re going to have to walk him. The count makes all the difference in pitch selection. Except, of course, if you’re a Yankees hitter with RISP. Then you just swing at anything the pitcher throws.

  • Tomaconda

    Adam Lind on waivers. Might be good one to look at.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I don’t know what they’d do with him. He makes $5M+ a year and has hit .238/.289/.420 in his last 1400 PA.

      • Brian S.

        And I’d still trade Teixeira for him.

        • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

          Oh, hey Duh Innings.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Found him.

            (probably not)

            • Brian S.

              Wrong. But you guys are still assholes.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Plouffe is far and away the bigger asshole.

                • RI$P FTW

                  Get a room!

  • eephus_pitch

    Think of how many hits Nova would be giving up if he wasn’t striking out a lot of guys.

  • JohnnyC

    Adam Lind? He’s owed 13 million through 2014. Worth claiming? Blue Jays apparently have lost all patience with him. He’s still only 29 in June and is left-handed. Could be used as a back-up first baseman as well as outfielder.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      That’s an awful lot of money for a bench player, especially one that hasn’t hit in three years. It’s not like he was playing in a big park either.

  • Mainer

    I look around at the standings (which I normally don’t do until the end of June) and it makes my skin less green (hulk reference).

    Boston 18-21
    Detroit 19-20 (losing 4-3 right now)
    LAA 18-22
    Philly 19-21
    St.Louis 22-17
    Cincy 20-19
    SF 21-19
    Zona 18-22
    NYY 21-19

    If you don’t reside in Balt, TB, Tex, Wash or Atl you are being treated to very inconsistent baseball. New York is no different. Yeah, the Yanks have problems but so do a lot of good teams in baseball. My real concern is NOT the hitting, but the SP’ing. Kuroda, Nova and Hughes do not look like guys you can lean on throughout the season which just may seperate us from the teams underachieving and the teams just not as good as advertised. I could give some stats, but I just flat out don’t have the motivation. Besides, we all watch the games; you know what is going on…..

    Happy Retirement to Kerry Wood.
    Indiana please beat Miami
    Celtics/Spurs Finals (old guys v old guys)
    CC please outduel Cueto. Yankee hitters don’t be afraid to swing that lumber and find some grass when runners are at 2nd and beyond

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Detroit is something like 12-19 in games not started by Verlander.

      • Mainer

        Another oddity…looking at the pitching stats in the entire league

        2. Dempster
        3. Lilly
        5. Big Z

        in the words of Vince Lombardi “What the hell is goin on out there”

        • Mainer

          ERA that is

      • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat)

        Every ESPN expert predicted them to win their division. I know they are still very good and the AL Central is week, buuuuuuut…

        • Mainer

          Last couple of season’s (and beyond) being predicted to do anything by Ravech, Kruk, Gammons and Co has been the kiss of death

        • Kramerica Industries

          It’s been, like, six weeks since the Tigers won back-to-back games.

          Ever since a series against Texas, they’ve just been amazingly horrific. And, for the record, they were pretty pedestrian in the non-Verlander games in 2011 as well.

          But I’ll stop there. I still get a hint of annoyance every time Tigers and 2011 come up.

    • JohnnyC

      Not concerned with the hitting? In the last 19 games (beginning with the Orioles series at home), they’ve allowed 74 runs or 3.9 runs a game. They’ve scored 63 runs or 3.3 runs a game. Which of those 2 averages is alarming? If you think the hitters will rebound, why wouldn’t you think Nova, Kuroda and Hughes can’t?

      • Mainer

        fair question….

        I guess I (tongue and cheek) trust the offensive capabilites of these guys more than I trust a guy that had a 6+ ERA v AL, a kid who had a nice first half but his biggest contribution to the team was as a reliever and another guy who I will leave alone because I just like him. Don’t know what isn’t right about him right now because his BA/OBP/SLUG against is dreadful (last I checked)

        But seeing it laid out the way you have is worrisome

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I spend far more time still thinking about the pitching than the hitting.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      It being really frustrating and it being the end of the world are two different things.

      Some of these teams will break from the pack. Everything that looked wrong will suddenly start working. We’ve seen this before with this franchise.

      As for Indiana/Miami comment, hell no. I know we’re an easy target with the guys on the marquee, and little beneath, but I’ve been a Heat supporter since the names on the marquee were Rory Sparrow and Rony Seikaly. They will pull through.

  • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

    I honestly don’t know what to make of this team right now. I love them, and know they can be great…but something’s wrong/missing with this team right now.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      They lack heart and hustle and clutchiness and the willingness to play all nine innings.

      • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

        Hahaha, no I’m serious Mike. Is there anything that can/should be done besides just sit on our hands and wait?

        • Mainer

          I like his answer…..especially the “play all nine innings” observation

    • Robinson Tilapia

      A lot of breaks have gone wrong with the pitching staff. Injury and ineffectiveness have led to a 7-9 in the lineup who, at times, are too easy an out. Good players who are counted on are pressing and falling back on bad habits. Yeah, there’s a lot that needs to go right here but, like was said above, they’re far from the only good team struggling.

      My biggest concern is still what the rotation looks like in 2013. Enough of the issues we see now should get resolved to the point that the team is in it when it matters.

      • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

        I agree…Next year as far as I know our starting rotation could/would be:
        CC
        Nova
        Hughes
        Phelps
        Mitchell/Warren

        With Pineda coming back at some point during the season…but..how can we rely on him.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          And a lot would have to break correctly (I’m using that phrase a lot tonight) for that to be the kind of rotation a whole lot of fans would feel comfortable with.

          • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat)

            I still think they’ll sign someone or make a trade. Maybe not someone like Hamels, but someone better than those guys.

        • Mattchu12

          Don’t forget about ManBan. CC-Nova-Hughes-ManBan with Phelps/Mitchell/Warren holding a spot of Pineda? Me likey.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Sure. What he listed above is still a very possible 2013 rotation.

        • Jimmy McNulty
  • Kramerica Industries

    Barring some unforeseen circumstances, my fantasy team will be 6-0, and playing a 6-0 team next week.

    Jeez. 10 people in a 12 team league have no clue how to manage a competent fantasy roster. Too easy.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      Really? You can fall ass backwards to an above .500 record.

  • Kramerica Industries

    Oh, and the Rangers traveled across the Hudson and got a huge win today.

    King Hank is something else. Two shutouts of New Jersey in the first three games of this series.

    • Pat D

      Now let them actually win a Game 4.

  • Mattchu12

    Anybody else think the Sox should try to move Pedroia to SS and use Middlebrooks at 2B with Youk staying at 3B before giving up on Youk?

    I hate the ugly beast, but Youk can hit when healthy. In all honesty, I still think they should have kept Beltre with Youk at first base (stayed health there for the most part), but that’s just me.

    Just random thoughts…

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I think the Red Sox should relocate to a remote part of the Amazon and never be heard from again.

    • JohnnyC

      They tried Pedroia at short in the low minors. Didn’t light up ballparks with his grit or range. Doesn’t have the arm for short either. Personally, I think they should revolutionize baseball and play AGon at short. The best hitting shortstop of all time!

      • Mattchu12

        I know, but it’s still worth a shot to see how it works out before just giving Youk away, which they’d pretty much have to given his health lately.

  • Greg

    Montero – 3 for 4 and still a sub 700 ops….and he still can’t catch…at least we can take comfort in the fact he would only be worsening problems.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I keep on dreaming dreams of tomorrow
      Feel I’m wasting my time
      Lighting candles in the wind,
      Always taking my chances
      On the promise of the future
      But, a heart full of sorrow
      Paints a lonely tapestry

      The sun is shining
      But, it’s raining in my heart

      No one understands the heartache,
      No one feels the pain,
      Cause no one ever sees the tears
      When you’re crying in the rain.

      (Also doubles as your Erica hair metal song of the night)

    • Brian S.

      He seems to be catching just fine. I don’t have the pitch framing data that management is so enamored with but he hasn’t been terrible defensively from what I have seen.

    • mustang

      He has actually been catching fine even with this pass wednesday less than stellar performance. He hasn’t been hitting much today was the best day he has had in a while.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Welcome back to the AL, Ian Kennedy.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      Getting crushed?

      • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat)

        6 runs in 4.1 innings against the ROYALS.

        • JohnnyC

          And that’s why they thought Kuroda would work out in the AL East. The FO is nothing but consistent.

  • http://fendersonandhampton.com Cuso

    So, after seeing like 25 references to someone named “Dug Innings” over the last few days I had to cave and go look at the archives to see what all the hullabaloo was about.

    ….that’s 30 minutes of my life I’ll never get back. He was banned, correct?

    • JohnnyC

      He has even more entertaining posts at the Yankee Analysts. Moshe will recall some head-scratching dialogues with him.

      • Pat D

        You have me searching for them and so far I haven’t found any.

        I am disappoint.

      • Jesse

        I heard he’s also on LoHud throwing around silly proposals, but I don’t read LoHud comment sections anyways.

        • Bunt Gardner

          I happened to check LoHud out of curiosity the other night and he’s Bret the Hitman over there…still going on about Tex and his no-trade clause…lol

    • Pat D

      We’ve assumed so.

      I tried to warn him, but he wouldn’t listen…

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    That Game Score list is really cool. Man, Moose and Boomer pitched some really great games.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Aside from his perfect what were some of Boomer’s notables?

      • Pat D

        Game 5, 2003 World Series.

        Oh, wait.

        • http://fendersonandhampton.com Cuso

          Ugh. That’s why we lost that Series IMO. Always believed that.

          • Pat D

            That and Torre’s non-use of Mo in Game 4.

            • Jesse

              But you gotta save Mo for that possible save situation since you’re on the road!

      • Knoxvillain

        Strengthening his arm by throwing rocks at homeless people.

  • Monterowasnotdinero

    The Yanks are doing pretty well considering the stats mentioned today that they are last in baseball in risp hits and 2nd worst (to the Twins) in HR’s allowed.

    I know he has struggled a bit recently but I think we would have been just fine with Montero catching and batting 4th as he usually does for the M’s. Couldn’t happen with our big payroll lineup of course but his #’s would be better in the Yankee lineup and in Yankee Stadium.

    • mustang

      If he is as talented as you and some others here preach then he doesn’t need the Yankee lineup and the Stadium to do better he can prove himself on his own. Of course they would help him they would help any hitter.
      Did you catch Wednesday’s Seattle/Indians game by any chance? Just wondering.

      • mustang

        The bottom of 1st inning was very interesting in that game.

        • Monterowasnotdinero

          Yes i know you counter most of my Montero comments but I never said there would not be growing pains and I never said he was a gold glover. What I said was he is/will be an elite hitter and is an adequate catcher at 22 years of age and 500K a year. In the Yankee lineup and with all of our veteran starters and catcher coaches-he would have done just fine. At this point, I have serious doubts if Pineda will ever be the first half 2011 pitcher for us. Noesi is not great but he could have been a serviceable 5th starter on a team with the ‘predicted” Yankee offense. The M’s offense usually puts alot of pressure on a starting pitcher.

          Hindsight is always 20/20 but I would never have made that trade.

          • mustang

            I counter your Montero comments for both a little humor and to try to equalize your one side evaluation of the guy. Although you never said he would be a gold glove catcher you have compared him to a young Posada, which I have serious doubts that he will ever be. Montero may someday be an elite hitter, but right now he is not and he is an adequate PART TIME catcher.
            I agree with Noesi, but I also think that Campos will eventually have a bigger upside. The funny part is even with all that’s happen I will still make the trade especially with the way Montero is currently hitting.
            The facts are that the Yankees can make up Montero’s hitting and catching ability in the future with the farm and in the present with their line-up. However they don’t seem to have someone with Pineda’s upside and cost even with his injury. For that they would have to either (1) trade a lot more or (2) pay a lot more while carry the same risk that come with pitchers.
            It’s still very early to evaluate this trade like you say we will see.

            • mustang

              ” In the Yankee lineup and with all of our veteran starters and catcher coaches-he would have done just fine.”

              Most young hitters with potential would benefit from the Yankees line-up SO. Weren’t you the one gloating about the Montero/Chris Chambliss combination earlier in the year? And Seattle’s defensive catching coach seem to be doing an excellent good with Montero thus far.

              So Montero has the coaching and if Seattle had the Yankees line-up they wouldn’t have made the trade so your point is ???

          • mustang

            “Hindsight is always 20/20 but I would never have made that trade.”

            What a shocker!!!

  • RI$P FTW

    MLBN was pretending that he was always a Cub.

  • http://RiverAve.Blues Casper from Toledo

    Some of the Yanks need to go on a nutra system diet. Tex,Martin, Stewart, Nix If they would drop some pounds maybe they can hit their weight. It was not that many seasons ago when the Bomber’s line-up from 1-9 were all good hitters and capable of producing. Keven Long
    could end up Kevin long gone. Sure do miss Donnie Basball. Look what he has done with the Dodger’s hitters. I am sure he has helped in their developent.