Saturday Night Open Thread


Don’t be mad, Derek. (REUTERS/Ray Stubblebine)

So the second half is going pretty well, no? It’s only been two games but that doesn’t mean we can’t enjoy it, especially since the two wins came against the Angels. They’re now 5-15 in the New Yankee Stadium, including the 2009 ALCS. I wonder if Halos fans hate when their team comes to the Bronx as much as Yankees fans hate seeing their team go out to Anaheim.

Anyway, here’s your open thread for the night. MLB Network is airing a game and most of the country will see the Red Sox at the Rays (Buchholz vs. Price). Those of you in those two markets will see the Pirates at the Brewers (Correa vs. Estrada) instead. You folks know how these things work by now, so have at it.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    They still have a ballclub up in Boston?

  2. DERP says:

    LOL at the Orioles

    • Cy Pettitte says:

      even Jim Johnson is regressing now. gonna be an ugly 2nd half for them.

      • DERP says:

        He was definitely due. He had a .157 BABIP.

        • jjyank says:

          My fantasy team does not appreciate this.

          • Kramerica Industries says:


            Though I did pick up Soriano and Frieri, albeit Frieri after he had already started dominating in Anaheim.

            Speaking of which – I have four closers on my staff right now, when I really only desire three. I started this season with Johnson, Papelbon, and Aceves, I dropped Ace when I picked up DRob, then dropped DRob for Soriano.

            A little later on, when all my excess OFers got hurt, I picked up Frieri, because no free agent position players were worth picking up.

            Well, now some of these guys are coming back (Ells and Markakis, and Joyce/Gardner aren’t far behind – I’m trying to trade Markakis) and my roster is being crunched. And I feel four closers isn’t necessary. I’m not dropping Soriano, but I don’t know which of the other three would be wise to try and trade, if it would be wise at all. Johnson is a regression candidate on a regressing team – Papelbon is the best closer but on the worst team – Frieri is bound to regress and isn’t full-time closing (yet), but no one can doubt how good he’s been thus far.


            • jjyank says:

              My biggest closer problem is that the top closer I drafted was Madson. And he got TJS in spring training. Right now I have Johnson, Huston Street, Brett Myers, Scott Downs, and D-Rob. I know D-Rob isn’t a closer, but his K percentage is a pretty big bonus. I should probably drop Downs for someone else though, but my league is very active and there’s not much on the waiver wire for me.

              Still, despite my weak closer lineup, I’m the second best team in my league thus far, so I can’t complain too much.

              • Kramerica Industries says:

                12-1 in my league, one game ahead of 2nd place (different division, however).

                My only loss came two weeks ago, when my opponent had four different days where his offense hit for a collective OPS of over 1.000. Pretty tough to overcome that, even with me throwing an absolute jugular on the final day by throwing six starters out there (Blanton, Liriano, Chen, Gee, Hughes, and Masterson).

                I abuse the living hell out of streaming pitchers. It’s probably the biggest reason why routinely post the highest score each week. Considering I never played fantasy before this year, I have to imagine I’ve done pretty well at it.

                • jjyank says:

                  The first place team in my league is run by my best friend’s little brother. Apparently the kid is a prodigy. I am comfortably in second place in the league overally, but he’s been at least 10 games ahead of my all year. Just can’t gain anything on the fucker.

                  However, I am facing him this week and currently winning 10-4. So Maybe the second half has big things for me.

                  • Kramerica Industries says:

                    How does the scoring go in your league? 10-4 seems like a very low score, far different from how mine goes (which is:

                    +1 RBI
                    +1 run
                    +1 for every total base. A solo HR = 6 points
                    +1 BB
                    -1 K
                    No reward for HBP, no penalty for routine out

                    +2 K
                    +1 for non-K outs
                    -1 BB
                    -1 H
                    -1 for every earned run allowed
                    -5 loss
                    +5 win/save

                    And J.J. Hardy just gave me a +6 right there. Appropriate timing to bitch about him (below) I guess.

                    • Kramerica Industries says:

                      I forgot to add:

                      +1 SB
                      No penalty for CS

                      Mike Trout has been a godsend, especially, in that department for me, given that Ellsbury and Gardner have been out for pretty much the entire season.

                      No penalties to the pitcher for SB allowed.

                    • jjyank says:

                      My league is head to head, a win for each of the 16 different categories. So 10-4 is pretty good, especially against the best team in the league. Since I’m second, if that score holds up, I cut my trailing on the lead in half, if not more.

            • RetroRob says:

              So your four closers are Soriano, Papelbon, Johnson and Frieri? I’m assuming this is not a keeper league, so that won’t play into the equation, because then I’d need their prices, etc.

              To me it’s an easy choice. Freri is the one who goes because he has been sharing save opportunities. A fulltime closer, even ona lousy team, will rack up 30+ saves.

              • Kramerica Industries says:

                Yeah, not keeper, unless I’m under the wrong impression. ‘Tis why I enjoy my good fortune of having Mike Trout in the way I got him – he’ll be a first overall pick in many drafts next year, so odds are I won’t get my hands on him again.

                About all I can say in favor of Frieri is that, if he keeps pitching this way, even Scoscia-ball can’t keep “splitting” his save opportunities. And I know I can’t keep Frieri as an extension of my roster on waivers – he’s owned in every league, and someone would snatch him up immediately if they saw him available.

                I’ll worry about it more if I can’t unload any of my excess OFers. My middle IF has been my weak spot all season (K. Johnson, Ackley, and Hardy – outside of one hot week from Hardy, that’s been a disaster for me), so I’m trying to package Markakis and Ackley for a solid 2B/SS. I figure Cespedes is a bit higher ceiling than Markakis (who isn’t the hitter he was in 2008-2009; .800 OPS corner OFers aren’t hard to find), and I’m not trading Ellsbury, Trout, Joyce, Craig, or Swisher (though that last one may be slight bias). I already had to drop Kendry Morales, and even though I would love to keep him, I don’t have the space.

                • RetroRob says:

                  I have Frieri, too, but I’m in a keeper’s league, so when trading players I have to balance what he’ll deliver this year, as well as in future seasons. I always play for this year, but I can’t ignore future value with all else being equal or close to equal.

                  With Frieri, he might be the mostly closer this year, then the Angels might go out and sign Soriano, strengthning their set-up team by pushin Frieri back to the 7th or 8th.

    • Brian S. says:

      They have been really disrespectful to Flanny the last month.

  3. Mike E says:

    Here’s some shameless self promotion.

    Yesterday, I wrote a bit about Garcia’s splitter, and called it a swing ball. Basically, Garcia throws a regular splitter, and this pitch with the splitter grip. When he throws the swing ball, the ball spins just like a splitter, but the seams of the ball are oriented such that it cuts the air on one side. While a right handed hitter is expecting splitter movement in, the pitch creates turbulent air that forces it away. Aside from the knuckle ball, and the banned scuff ball, it’s the only pitch in baseball to use the seam to alter movement. In my opinion, the physics of the pitch is unbelievable, and is really unique in that it doesn’t rely on the magnus effect, as most pitches do.

  4. Countryclub says:

    Did you guys see the tweet from Marc Carig about his post game conversation with Garcia? Freddy said that in Chicago they used to call him Sweaty Freddy and Carig said “they call you that here, too, dude.”

    Pretty funny.

  5. jjyank says:

    Well I know officially have cable. I bit the bullet financially. So I will no longer have to bitch about being blacked out of the nationally televised games.

    • Greg says:

      Welcome to the 21st century.

      • jjyank says:

        I mean I had cable in college and afterwards when I lived with my parents while getting my Masters. But when I moved out, I figured I could punt on cable to save money as long as I had mlb.tv. After being blacked out from Fox and ESPN, I realized that I also wouldn’t be able to watch the playoffs. And that wasn’t happening.

    • Betty Lizard says:

      I rejoice in your good fortune. I terminated Time Warner cable November 1st and haven’t looked back. I feel lighter and my bank account feels heavier, so it’s just me and MLB TV.

    • Erica says:


  6. Greg says:

    The Mets bullpen implodes again, blowing a 2 run lead in the eighth.

  7. Pat D says:

    Woo hoo! Got my severance pay yesterday!!! I feel like I’m rich!

    • jjyank says:

      Congrats man.

      • Pat D says:

        They took a little more than I anticipated, but I shouldn’t really have to worry about money while I look for a job, since I’ll be collecting unemployment.

        Guess I should start looking for a job now.

        • jjyank says:

          You and me both, brother. Though I am employed, I just want a job in my proper career field, not as a bank teller.

          • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (former Manny's BanWagon) says:

            I thought you were set to become a G man?

            • jjyank says:

              Not set. I’m in the third stage of an application process, which is pretty far, but I haven’t been offered a job yet.

              • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

                I have full confidence that you’ll land the job and make the world a safer place for the rest of us.

                • jjyank says:

                  I very much appreciate the vote of confidence. As you can imagine, this whole process moves very slowly (hence why I accepted a bank teller job in the interim for a pay check). It’s easy to get impatient.

                  • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

                    Nothing worthwhile ever comes easy so hang in there. Remember your first job is almost never your last

                    • jjyank says:

                      I know that. I was a teller part time while I got my Masters degree, this is just something I could get full time and make a few bucks with while I wait.

              • Jimmy says:

                Good luck, man.

    • Erica says:


  8. Hall and Nokes says:

    RIP 2012 Mets

  9. Pat D says:

    This isn’t really a story, but I have to post the link because it’s just so…Boston.


  10. NYCSPORTZFAN says:

    So the Angels went from Tim SALMON to Mike TROUT, ey? Whats next, Joey Goldfish?

  11. NYCSPORTZFAN says:

    Yanks still showing interest in Ryan Dempster.. I tell ya what, Freddy Garcia is making a strong case to not go and get Ryan Dempster.. I’d concentrate on getting another Reliever or Right Handed bat for the bench.. Preferably a reliever, because i’d like to see Ronnier Musellier get a shot as RH off the bench…

  12. Greg says:

    Tigers just got a run on the O’s. We could be 9 up

  13. NYCSPORTZFAN says:

    speaking of Mustellier, hes 1-2 with a Ribby so far tonight.. 6run 2nd for Baby Bombers.. Phelpsy wit 3k through 2inn..

  14. Hall and Nokes says:

    Wade Boggs is making me laugh out loud tonight. He’s coming back for another inning on NESN/MLBN.

    • RetroRob says:

      My favorite “baseball player I met” story concerns Wade Boggs, and accidentally running across him in Newark Airport sitting at a bar by himself, drinking beer (which, as many of you know, Boggs, beer and jets is a great story.)

      I chatted with him briefly and he invited me to sit with him since I guess I didn’t seem like a jerk and he was by himself. Had two beers, if I remember correctly, before he had to catch his flight home. He was in NJ for a card show, or autograph show.

      Seemed like a nice guy.

  15. Erica says:

    I went to today’s game – solid all around (UNTUCK!), despite some shakiness from Freddy. A-Rod got booed, predictably, but I was thrilled to see he was still able to hit. Cano’s 2-run home run was a BOMB, a total BOMB.

    #toomanyhomeruns? Doesn’t matter – they’re still fun to watch.

    In other news, there’s a black bear roaming around my suburban town as of yesterday -and today, I found two turkey vultures picking through my neighbor’s garbage. Halp.

  16. NYCSPORTZFAN says:

    Kevin Mahoney seems like the type of player that if he ever made it to the bigs, would stick on a team becasue of his versatility and gritiness. Hes done pretty well in most stops hes made since we drafted em as well.. He’ll probably never be given a shot, but he can play some…

  17. DERP says:

    Valverde is the biggest piece of shit. He should kill himself right now.

    • Countryclub says:

      I can’t believe the yanks didn’t get to him last yr in the playoffs. So frustrating with the opportunities they had.

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        Game 3 >> Game 2

        It was hard to finish the Game 2 rally when it was literally pouring out there.

    • Paul VuvuZuvella says:

      One Donnie Moore incident is enough.

    • RetroRob says:

      I think the “analysts” at ESPN were talking about the antics of closers, driven by Chapman doing a double somersault after saving a game. They seemed to think Valverde’s over-the-top antic wasn’t insulting, but they questioned Soriano untucking after the game ends.

      I mean, a fan of the untucking, but it wouldn’t bother me if another reliever did it. The Valverde fist-pumping goes too far. Oh, yeah. They also weren’t sure about Joba’s fist pumping, which is minor compared to Valverde’s. In other words, if if was a Yankee, anything more than Mo’s robotic stare is over-the-top, but all other antics from closers on other teams was okay. I’m not making this up.

      • RetroRob says:

        …*not* a fan of the untucking…

        • Paul VuvuZuvella says:

          I really have no issue with the Untuck and don’t see it as showing up the competition.

          • RetroRob says:

            It doesn’t bother me since he’s not really showing up the other team. It’s very subtle and most fans and the players probably barely notice it. I do think it’s showmanship, but so minor as to be unimportant.

            It’s not like he’s doing an NFL endzone dance on the mound like Valverde. That to me is clearly showing up the opposition.

      • Paul VuvuZuvella says:

        It’s a conspiracy against the Yankees.


        • RetroRob says:

          I noticed a comment from him implying people here don’t get humor, which led me to believe he actually thought the things he wrote were funny.

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        Yankee or not, holding anyone to Mo’s standard is grossly unfair. Mo doesn’t even crack a smile unless he’s pitched in a clinching game of any sort.

        I’m not a fan of the untuck either, but I’ve come to accept it due to what it represents. MFIKY has done a pretty solid job justifying the untuck.

        • RetroRob says:

          It wasn’t so much that they had an issue with Soriano, but their inconsistency. They weren’t a fan of Soriano and Joba’s moves, but Valverde and Papelbon were okay. Huh?

          Before Swisher was on the Yankees, I never had a problem with his enthusiastic mannerisms. I actually liked them. I don’t have a problem with Papelbon’s fistpump at the end of games, nor do I have them with Joba. It’s emotion, not directed at the other team. Valverde takes emotion and turns it into an NFL dance. Contrived. That I have a problem with.

      • JohnnyC says:

        Believe me the top brass at ESPN are aware of the anti-Yankees bias on air. They simply believe there’s safety in numbers. More haters than fans in their national audience. These are the same people who actually think brain cells don’t die every second Skip Bayless is allowed to continue his daily smirkfest.

  18. stuckey says:

    Not sure what game you guys are playing, but I’m a Baltimore fan whenever they play another true contender like the Rangers, Angels, etc.

    Detroit is hot. You want them to get heated up more?

    Is anyone really concerned Baltimore’s going to there in any meaningful way in late September?

  19. DERP says:

    The Orioles lineup right now includes Endy Chavez, Taylor Teagarden, Steve Tolleson and Robert Andino.

  20. Brian S. says:

    How are the Rays not lighting up that laptop stealing fuck?

  21. DERP says:

    You know who is a stupid piece of shit: Trevor Plouffe. I hope he never has any success in the bigs.

  22. DERP says:

    Benoit can kill himself also.

  23. Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too) says:

    Wow, that Baltimore game just doesn’t want to end

  24. Kramerica Industries says:

    I don’t get to listen to Billy Ripken that much.

    Needless to say, I’m NOT impressed at all by him. Sounds way too much like a fan in the booth.

  25. DERP says:

    Are you fucking kdding me? Fuck you Detroit. Fucking assholes. I have more respect for Joe Paterno than those fucking pieces of shit. Fuckers

    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

      Let’s not get crazy. Every hour that passes exposes Paterno as more and more of a sleaze.

  26. Kramerica Industries says:

    Taylor Teagarden hitting a walk-off home run.

    Jeez, the person in Vegas who said this game would end that way just won a ton of money.

    Ya know, remember when Texas had the “dilemma” of having Teagarden, Saltalamacchia, Max Ramirez, and some other schmuck as their prized catching depth? That fizzled out in a big way.

    • jjyank says:

      Depth (catching, pitching, whatever) always can disappear in an instant. That’s why you can never have enough.

  27. Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too) says:

    Taylor Teagarden with the walkoff HR.
    Enjoy it while you can, Taylor. In the morning, your last name is still going to be Teagarden.

  28. OMG! Bagels! says:

    We’ve got the best record in baseball and the largest lead of any division in the toughest division in baseball. We’ve done it without Mo, Gardy, Joba and other players have gone down for various periods of time and right now we’re without CC and Andy. We’ve had some inconsistencies out of our starters, some catcher concerns, a cool middle of the order and (according to some)a broken Arod.

    And now I forget why I brought this up.

  29. Get Phelps Up says:

    Red Sox bullpen implosions never get old.

    • Tom says:

      Especially when people with ridiculous facial hair give it up.
      Albers – you have some dirt on your chin… or something…

      Red Sox announcers almost getting as bad as the White Sox guys in terms of bitching about balls and strikes.

    • captain kiwi says:

      i’m just glad to see ciriaco shitting the bed tonight.

  30. captain kiwi says:

    i want the mariners to pour it on darvish tonight…

  31. DERP says:

    Jason Hammel probably needs knee surgery that will keep him out until September.

    Thanks for playing Orioles.

  32. Brian S. says:

    The Red Sox intentionally walked Hideki Matsui. True story.

  33. Tom Zig says:

    Boston just lost and is now back to .500 and 10.5 games back of the Yankees. What in the world is going on in Beantown?

    • BK2ATL says:

      Just a lovely meltdown to witness. Then, there’s been the injuries, lack of quality pitching, starting and bullpen, Bobby V, poor team chemistry, etc.

      That being said, they’re about to be back at full strength pretty soon. I’m guessing that they will turn it around and be right in the middle of the wild card mix. So let’s just enjoy it as along as it continues for now.

      That’s they’re only 10.5 back is saying something. Really should be more. I have a feeling that they’ll finish the season in 2nd place in the AL East, as Tampa has no offense, Toronto no pitching, and Baltimore will fall back to earth.

  34. How can anybody seriously root for Rodney with his cap like that. This is a god damn professional sport, not a high school dance. Your “swag” isn’t appreciated on the baseball field.

  35. BK2ATL says:

    Can someone clue me in to Ravel Santana and what’s needed to be known about him as a prospect so far?

  36. Robinson Tilapia says:

    There’s a whole thread about turkey vultures out there that I’m too mentally fried to understand. It seems like Erica has quite the fondness for them…..or something.

    Today was my boy’s first birthday, so I know nothing but a box score right now. We needs a recap, Axisa. Do it for my boy.

  37. OMG! Bagels! says:

    What’s wrong with untuck again? Does he untuck if he blows a save?
    I wasn’t a fan at first but don’t care second and now it’s UNTUCK!

    And anyone who doesn’t like it can get the hell over it.

  38. Robinson Tilapia says:

    This had me in stitches when I read the Game Thread.

    jjyank says:
    July 14, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Come here kids, let me show you something in my moustache…

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