Aug
07

Comeback falls short, Yanks fall to Tigers again

By

Cody Eppley not paying attention and getting plunked in the noggin’ with Eric Chavez‘s return lob in the sixth inning pretty much sums up the state of the Yankees right now. The Tuesday night loss to the Tigers was New York’s 12th loss in their last 18 games, and they’re just 2-10 against non-Mariners competition during that stretch.

(Leon Halip/Getty Images)

Phil Abused

For an inning and a third, the second half 2010 version of Phil Hughes made a return. The Yankees had just staked him to a two-run lead in the top of the fourth, but he promptly gave it back in the bottom half. Miguel Cabrera hit a homer, which is just going to happen regardless of who’s pitching, but Brennan Boesch worked a 12-pitch at-bat and was rewarded with a ten-hop ground ball single, and it was all downhill from there. Jhonny Peralta doubled in Boesch to tie the game and 42 pitches (17 foul balls!) later, Phil was out of the inning. He threw just 43 pitches in the first three innings combined.

Naturally, the offense barely gave their starting pitcher time to breath with a nine-pitch 1-2-3 fifth inning, so Hughes was right back out there not five minutes later. Ground ball single, ground ball single, line drive to short, double by Cabrera, end of the night. I have no idea how Phil was allowed to face Miggy in that spot after throwing like, 60 pitches in the previous 20 minutes, but he was left in and I guess the desired outcome was achieved. Hughes allowed more than three earned runs for the first time since mid-June and got ground-balled to death other than the two rockets from Cabrera. He just couldn’t put anyone away after the first three innings.

Those were happier times. (Leon Halip/Getty Images)

Just Short

The Yankees scored their first two runs on an Eric Chavez opposite field homer in the fourth and their third run on an Ichiro Suzuki double down the left field line in the seventh. A three-run deficit heading into the ninth is pretty sizable, but they made things very interesting against Jose Valverde. The highlight of the inning was Raul Ibanez‘s hard-fought nine-pitch walk to bring the tying run to the plate with two outs, leading to a run-scoring single from Ichiro and a run-scoring double from Russell Martin. Curtis Granderson popped out to first with men on second and third to end the game, however.

I guess the O’Neill Theory is in effect for tomorrow, but that’s little consolation. The Yankees lost yet another one-run game, their eighth straight loss in games decided by one-run. All eight have come during this hideous 18-game stretch. They’re doing just enough to make it interesting but not enough to win. I don’t know how to put this kind of frustration into words but I suspect you all know exactly how it feels. The Tigers are scooting ground balls through every infield hole and the Yankees have nothing to show for their balls hit to the wall. Baseball is cruel.

One of these days the Yanks will stop letting the other team’s star walk all over them. (Getty)

Leftovers

Ichiro had his first multi-hit game as a Yankee and they were his first two hits with runners in scoring position since the trade. Good timing, I suppose. The Yankees as a team went 3-for-7 (.429) with men on second and or third, but that just wasn’t enough.

Mark Teixeira (two singles), Chavez (single, homer), and Nick Swisher (single and two doubles) also had multiple hits. The top three hitters in the order went a combined 1-for-13, a pretty awesome way to hold back the offense. It’s only been five games, but it might be time to take Grandy out of the leadoff spot only because he’s been slumping hard for about three weeks now.

The bullpen did the job for the most part, though Eppley allowed a run in the sixth when he was left in to face a lefty and Joba Chamberlain — pitching for the second straight day for the first time since coming off the DL — allowed another run in the eighth. Southpaws Clay Rapada and Boone Logan retired all four lefties they faced.

Box Score, WPA Graph & Standings

MLB.com has the box score and video highlights, FanGraphs the nerd score and no highlights, ESPN the updated standings.


Source: FanGraphs

Up Next

The Yankees and Tigers will play the third game of this four-game set on Wednesday night when CC Sabathia gives it a go against Anibal Sanchez. I’d say the Bombers could really use a complete game shutout from their ace, but they’d probably find a way to score -1 runs anyway.

Categories : Game Stories
  • JonS

    Is Sabathia still an ace or is he just a good #2? What should be expected of an ace?

    • Kempire Strikes Back

      I guess we’ll find out tommorrow.

    • Brian S.

      He’s a good 4. Maybe an average 3.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I think he’s a LOOGY at best. A second LOOGY, not the primary guy.

      • FIPster Doofus

        I’d put him just behind Pedro Feliciano on the depth chart.

        • Kempire Strikes Back

          Ugh. Don’t remind me of Feliciano. What a waste of $8 million dollars…

      • Darren

        Y’all can joke all you want but that won’t make you any less wrong. If your definition of an ace starts with “innings eater” or “workhouse”, you have no clue what an ace means.

        Keep on joking, right up until the time CC throws another stinker in the playoffs and we can’t bounced.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          How about one of the top ten starters in baseball since he’s been with the Yankees? Is that ace enough for you?

          • Bunt Gardner

            He would think CC was an ace if he pitched for another team.

            • Darren

              I didn’t think he was an ace before he pitched for the Yankees and he’s done nothing to change my mind. He is awesome at giving up 3 runs early and settling down to eat up 7 innings. I’ll give that. Unfortunately that’s not an ace.

              • Need Pitching & Hitting

                Please enlighten us. What is an ace if not a top 10 pitcher over the last several years?

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  A: Someone not on the Yankees. The grass is always greener.

                  • Brian S.

                    So that was you in the game thread!

                • Greg

                  I think an ace would be someone who can throw a lockdown game like Verlander did the other night or like Felix did over the weekend. I don’t think CC can do that, especially agains a playoff caliber team.

                  • 28 this year

                    What about the other two starts of Verlander against the Yankees where he sucked? Was he not an ace then? Your definition is bullshit because Sabathia was as good as verlander last year. Sabathia constantly throws 240 innings a year with an ERA wel l under 3.50 and gives the Yankees a chance to win every game. He’s as much of an ace as anyone in baseball. On top of that, he rarely gets injured if at all. Thats an fuckin ace. The only guy in his league is Verlander and Sabathia is right there with him.

          • Darren

            no, actually, it’s not. if it’s even true, although i wouldn’t be surprised to see CC barely break the top 10. would be shocked if you could point to stats showing he is higher than 9 or 10. You guys are confusing being the # 1 pitcher on a staff for being an ace. OF COURSE CC is the # 1 pitcher on the Yankees.

            He’s just not an ace.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting

              Again. Enlighten us please. What is an ace? And why are there apparently only a few pitchers that qualify?

            • Get Phelps Up

              would be shocked if you could point to stats showing he is higher than 9 or 10.

              Since 2007, he’s 2nd among pitchers (min. 900 IP) in fWAR, 5th in ERA, FIP and xFIP, and 1st in IP.

              • Darren

                Nice try by Including his stats from 2007 and 2008. fail.

                • Get Phelps Up

                  Since 2009 he is 2nd among AL pitchers in fWAR, 6th in ERA, 4th in FIP, 5th in xFIP and 3rd in IP. Sorry.

                • Bunt Gardner

                  You said you didn’t think he was an ace before he played for the Yankees and he includes stats from before he joined the team and you argue over that? Face it, your opinion of CC had been debunked by his stats.

        • FIPster Doofus

          Sabathia’s ERA this season is a solid 3.53. It hasn’t exceeded that number since 2005 – which was also the last time his fWAR was under 5. He’s thrown at least 230 innings every season since 2006. He misses bats. His control is good. Combine all that and you have an ace. Sorry that you can’t face facts in this situation, but your delusions aren’t other fans’ problems.

          • Darren

            You’ve got much bigger problems, I’m sure.

            • FIPster Doofus

              Great comeback – you really showed me!

              • Darren

                My “delusions” aren’t your problems yet you feel the need to respond. You’re the one being childish.

                anyway, you really think CC is anywhere in the neighborhood of the no-doubt aces of the last 40 years (in their prime)? Guidry Clemens Martinez Gooden Beckett Weaver Santana Lee Halladay Maddux Lincecum. To name a few.

                Yeah he pitched like an ace with the Brewers. That was then this is now, to quote SE Hinton.

                • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

                  bahahaha i cannot believe you put Beckett, Lincecum and Weaver, and Santana (to a lesser extent) on that list and expect to be taken seriously. the other guys you named are all time great-HOF caliber pitchers (Except for Lee, hasn’t been good for long enough) if that’s your definition of an ace then you’re the one with the poor definition not the rest of these guys. Better active pitchers in baseball right now (this year and going forward):
                  Verlander
                  Felix
                  Weaver
                  Strasburg

                  • Kosmo

                    Weaver belongs on the list as does Price, Kershaw, Hamels, Sale, Greinke, Cain to name a few that come to mind.

                    • YanksFanInBeantown

                      Cain has similar ERAs in the worst division in the worse league.

                      Same thing for Hamels, albeit to a lesser extent.

                      Weaver’s splits, nuff said.

                      Yeah, DIPS, but I’ll wait for Greinke’s second season with an ERA under 3.50 before anointing him better than Sabathia, who does that every year in a tougher division.

                      Sale looks unbelievable right now, but this is just one year, he’s a 23 year old converted reliever, let’s wait a couple years to make sure his arm doesn’t explode.

                      There’s little question that Price and Kershaw are better now and going forward though.

    • Swishers Chickens

      I get so frustrated with Sabathia, he is definitely a #2 now, he’s been a great Yankee but this is why im not confident this year, we have no dominant pitching that we can rely on this fall, losing a-rod fucked up the lineup big time, granderson is not a leadoff hitter, I don’t know what girardi is thinking, and what the fuck is Cano smiling about with dotel, Derek needs to show some leadership, this is getting really ugly

      • forensic

        Jeter needs to show some leadership about Cano smiling with Dotel? You mean the same Jeter who’s been smiling and joking with Verlander for two straight days? Good luck with that.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Jeter show leadership? lol

        • Yankee Fan 1

          Gotta love comments like this. Of course you know more about jeter in the clubhouse than his teammates and players and coachers around the league that rave about him.

      • Brian S.

        Jeter has made friends with every single player that has ever reached second base against the Yankees.

        • Yankee Fan 1

          obviously he doesn’t want to win

        • YanksFanInBeantown

          Didn’t he just chat with A-Rod during a brawl with the Mariners back in the 90s?

  • Knoxvillain

    I start to like Chavez more and more every time he plays. And Ibanez, too. But other than that, fuck this game, this week, and this month.

    Maybe A-Rod means a lot more to the Yankees than a lot of people think.

    • Rich in NJ

      Yes, because a lack of true middle of the lineup hitters is (and has been) their weakness for the last couple of years. So even a diminished A-Rod is important to have.

  • Pat D

    This team is just no fun to watch right now.

    Heads better get pulled out of asses like a week ago.

  • Kempire Strikes Back

    Their last 8 games decided by 1 run have been losses. That’s mind-bogglingly unsustainable. Granted not every loss in this recent horrid stretch of play has been that close, but their luck has got to turn around. Hopefully sooner than later.

    Detroit may be shitting down our necks but I’m certainly not envious of that city.

    • Pat D

      To see what the Tiger Stadium location looks like right now is just sad.

      • Knoxvillain

        What else do you expect from Detroit? That place is a shit hole.

      • Kempire Strikes Back

        The whole city is in shambles. It’s truly pitiful to think about.

        Tens of thousands of abandoned , forclosed homes. 7 out of ten murders going unsolved. Inner city youths having a higher chance of going to jail then graduating high school. In some parts of the city it takes ambulances or police officers 2 to 3 hours to respond to 911 calls. And that’s not even the half of it.

        I can bet you 90% of the peoole who attended the game today live outside Detroit. Nobody there can spare a dime to go to a ballgame.

  • Kramerica Industries

    Meanwhile, the division lead continues to dwindle day by day…

    • Brian S.

      Seattle hasn’t lost yet.

      • Mike

        Just did before. Lead down to 4.5

  • dkidd

    i’m glad this stretch is happening. i want them to earn the division by beating the rays and o’s head-to-head

    baseball is cruel and awesomely long. no such thing as coasting in july

  • BigBlueAL

    This could just be part of the Yankees strategy of finishing with the 2nd best record in the AL and not the 1st to avoid the annoying schedule of playing the Wild Card winner in the ALDS.

    • Knoxvillain

      If that’s their plan, the people participating in it need to be fired, traded, or released.

    • Pat D

      They’ll just end up playing the Tigers again.

      • Kramerica Industries

        And probably losing, again.

        • Get Phelps Up

          I’ll gladly take my chances against them again.

          • BigBlueAL

            Any team they play in the ALDS will be a tough matchup regardless unless they finish 1st overall and play the Wild Card winner who somehow turns out to be the A’s or Orioles (White Sox too I guess).

            The travel schedule though could be brutal waiting to see who wins the Wild Card and possibly having to fly to the west coast. Plus if that series goes 5 the ALCS starts the next day I believe (although at least they would be home for it). The 2/3 matchup is much more convenient since you know immediately who you play and have 2 days off before that series starts plus if that series goes 5 you get a day off before the ALCS starts unlike the 1/4 matchup. Although if they are waiting for the other series to finish and the 1 seed wins they will have to fly overnight and play the next day but at least their pitching wont be in as bad a shape.

            Also I was obviously being sarcastic with my original comment but it is something to think about for those worrying about finishing with the 1st or 2nd best record in the AL (of course at this point I just want to make sure win the division regardless if they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the AL).

  • JohnC

    Really thought Ichiro would be able to score when Martin hit that ball into the corner. Berry made a great play getting to the corner so quickly and playing the ball off the wall instantly. Thats what happens when you’re sturggling. Balls don’t bounce your way

    • Bavarian Yankee

      he would’ve scored, they just didn’t send him home.

  • Anthony

    Grandy’s recent slump can’t really be attributed to hitting lead-off, can it…?

    Either way, bad way to start a week of no baseball for me. Bleh. Hope I come back to happier times.

  • Kevin

    O’s only 4.5 games back now…Yanks will choke the division away.

  • pistol pete

    Great move by Girardi moving Grandy to the 1 hole. We lose a middle of the order power bat with ARod going down so Girard takes our best power hitter and bats him 1. Can anyone tell me what his thinking is because I can’t figure it out. Grandy who was batting 2nd before ARod went down would have made more sense to put him in the middle instead of 1. I know he’s not what he once was but how about trying Ichiro at no 1 for a while. Ichiro/Jete/Cano/Tex/Grandy/Swish/Ibanez/Chavez/Martin. It’s got left right balance and our best RBI guys at 3/4/5 and breaks up leftys until you get to ibanez and Chavez which leaves open the A Jones switch late in games.

    • Kempire Strikes Back

      1. Jeter
      2. Swisher
      3. Cano
      4. Teixiera
      5. Curtis
      6. Ibanez
      7.Chavez
      8. Martin
      9. Ichiro

      • Jay

        Agree Kempire. Btw, Granderson is insanely overrated. Yeah, he’ll hit some home runs but he strikes out all the time and there wasn’t a doubt in my mind he would make a weak out in the 9th with the game on the line.

        • Knoxvillain

          Granderson is not overrated. His job is to drive in runs, not bat .320 and strike out 100 times. Nobody expected that from him. They knew what type of hitter he was when they traded for him. Is Adam Dunn overrated? No.

        • Kempire Strikes Back

          Lineup order is overrated but Granderson should not be hitting leadoff.

        • BigBlueAL

          Granderson is not overrated at all, he just is a different type of player than he was earlier in his career. He is a power hitter who walks and strikes out alot. Unlike your typical all or nothing power hitter though he has speed on the bases and is not a DH since he can play CF/LF.

      • BigBlueAL

        This is exactly what I would do. Now I’ll be the first to admit lineup construction is overrated and the team isnt slumping right now because Grandy is leading off but to me the current lineup just makes little sense. Grandy is now hitting .240 with a .335 OBP.

        • Kempire Strikes Back

          Jeter has thrive in the leadoff spot all year and that shouldnt be tinkered with. Swisher gets on base at a higher clip and makes more sense for the two hole while Granderson provides protection for Robbie and Tex and will be in a much better position to drive in runs in the five hole. Personally I think this is what 1-5 should look like until A-Rod gets back.

      • http://fendersonandhampton.com Cuso

        Yeah, I think it’s time to move Swish back to #2. Can’t believe I’m actually saying that.

        The only reason Joe probably hasn’t done it is because you’d be stacking lefties at 5,6,7.

        He’s going to have to start being ready to PH for them.

        I understand why he hasn’t though, unlike most people. Chavez and Ibanez are experienced veteran bats that can work pitchers. Like it or not, Andruw does not have the discipline to be a threatas a pinch-hitter. His damage comes in starts against LHP. I know people hate when Ibanez faces lefties in the 6th inning, but that spot in the lineup will bat again. Girardi is hesitant to use the RHB off the bench because essentially you’re putting in the lesser player for the remainder of the game.

      • Rob G

        Girardi needs to move Jeter back to leading off – why he moved to batting 2nd?

      • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

        You stole my line up from the game thread!! haha, great minds think alike.

    • Knoxvillain

      Granderson shouldn’t be hitting first. But it is Girardi, he isn’t a good manager in my opinion. But moving Ichiro to lead off is even worse. He doesn’t get on base. Enough with this stuff. If it was 2005, then yes. But it’s 2012. Ichiro is not a good hitter anymore. He bats 8th because 7 hitters are better than him.

      • YanksFanInBeantown

        Don’t be ridiculous.

        We have 8 hitters better than him.

  • Knoxvillain

    I see all the stupid people have shown up for this thread tonight.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      They’ve been showing up for a while now. To their defense, I’d expect more gloom and doom when the team’s lost 5.5 games in the standings in a pretty brief period. It’s certainly not how I’m reacting, but this is to be expected from Suffragete City over here.

  • Kevin G.

    Is it just me or does it seem like every Yankee loss is by one run and every Oriole win is by one run.

    • Brian S.

      It’s true. Except when Nova pitches.

  • stuart a

    saw the top of the 9th only..

    0 for 39 or so trailing going into the 9th. if they are down 2 they only score 1, if down 3 they only score 2, only things for sure is they will fall short.

    hey Grandy strikes out a little but !!!!!!!

    offense is avg at best… pen did not do there job the add on runs were the death nell.

    they are in trouble if you have not looked at the standings…

    about time ichiro got a hit with RISP…….

    • Heisenberg’s Hat

      So you watched just enough to have something to complain about?
      Imagine if the Yanks had pulled out the win! Then you wouldn’t have shown up here and we’d all be spared.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      Honestly? No. This game falls directly onto the shoulders of the dude i was defending 24 hours ago in the bottom of the 4th, and the offense in the top of the fifth. Hughes labored to get out of the inning, but got out of it tied. Long at bat to Bosch be damned, he let the lead disappear but didn’t blow up. Then before he could wrap his arm in a towel and have a sip of gatorade he was back on the field pitching. The top of the 5th lasted literally about 8 minutes from Phil getting the last out of the 4th and finishing his warm ups in the bottom of the 5th. Don’t get me wrong he needs to step up there, and failed to, but the dude just got finished throwing what had to be at least a 40 pitch inning.

  • RetroRob

    Where was Ichiro?

    My main issue with tonight’s game was 9th inning with Ichiro at first with two outs. Martin lines an obvious hit right off the bat, a double down the LF line which rolls to the wall with the LFer no where near it. Am I the only one who was expecting the next shot to be a throw home trying to catch Ichiro just as he slides in ahead of the tag? He didn’t get any further than Jason Giambi would have on that exact same ball. He wasn’t even in position to attempt to send him home. Ibanez was past third base before Ichiro reached second. How the heck is that possible? He wasn’t being held on. The defense was playing behind him at first to cut off any extra-base hits. How could he not have scored on that play? I’m telling you right now. Gardner would have scored. Jeter would have scored. A-Rod would have scored. I don’t know what happened, but somehow Ichiro got a horrible jump off first with two outs in the 9th.

  • dalelama

    This team has no heart.

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      Time for the ‘no passion’ meme from 2010 to make its return.

    • jjyank

      What the hell does that even mean?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        It means verbatim what he posts once every other day.

        Dumb point but bravo, dalelama, for actually properly achieving the definition of “trolling.”

  • LarryM.,Fl.

    Its been a frustrating 18 games of late but this is baseball. As Yankee fans we expect a win most nights with overall good performance from the team. I am no different in this expectation of the team. Is it all based on the back of the baseball card or the salaries paid to the players.

    The team is flawed as all other teams in the league. Our rotation has a hole in most nights especially since Andy P. was placed on the DL. I watch most of the games and feel comfortable when CC,Kuroda and Andy pitch. Now Andy is laid up. So 2 out of 5 nights, I’m OK. I have no faith in Nova, Hughes or Garcia. Nova and Hughes can’t put guys away. There location is horrible. Nova most extra base hits record is waiting for him. Hughes scheme to get batters out is more incline for the bullpen becuase his breaking pitches are non existent. Garcia is a 10 hit wonder in 5 innings. The injuries to Arod and Gardner have simply made this lineup two guys short on the offensive potential to work a pitcher or score some runs. The defense has been good no issues. The bench has been good. How can you ask more of Chavez, Ibanez, Nix or Jones.

    Girardi in my estimation has been in a slump. Hughes had about 39 or 40 pitches in the fourth inning not once did Martin or the coaching staff go out and give Hughes a breather, Hello! anybody in the dugout watching or comprehending the situation. Then Hughes goes out there in the 5th after a 9 pitch AB’s by the offense. Hello!

    With Pettite and Arod coming back in Sept. I do not see them assisting out of the box. The team has performed poorly with RISP and situational hitting. The type of hitting that you need to win the playoff games and WS. Then we go back to the rotation. The rotation that Cashman has been trying to improve the rotation with trades, draft choices ad FA and we have two guys as of now who I feel comfortable pitching in a game. Plans are made to be broken by injuries or whatever. Our pitching prospects have failed to produce because of injury down in the farm system. Why did we send Phelps down to stretch out? Its been a tough year, all around the organization.

    The team is not perfect and heading in the wrong direction. If we make the playoffs it will be a short stay not the good kind.

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      I think Hughes deserves a little defending. In 12 starts dating back to the beginning of June, he’s thrown quality starts in 9 of them, and pitched at least 7 innings (or more) in six of those starts. Hughes was flat out awful to begin the season, and he’ll toss a real clunker every now and then, but he’s been very serviceable since mid-May. I feel okay with Sabbathia, Kuroda, and Pettite, Hughes for the most part, and Garcia has been fine as the #5. With that said, I think this slump falls more on the offense. These one run games are ridiculous.

      • LarryM.,Fl.

        Wil: What annoys me about Phil is his inability to grow or change. Every big league hitter who has been around for 10 years or so. Has the ability to adapt to opposing pitchers. A great example is Jeter. The guy continues to produce hits even though the pitchers know his game plan for hitting. Hughes goes out to pitch aggressively which I like. He gets two strikes quickly then can not put most hitters away especially in the second or third time around. His off speed pitches have not progressed enough to aid him when his fastball is lacking. There are no quick innings in his arsenal. His location of pitches is an issue.

        Pettite is not back yet. 40 years old ad right off of a broken to pitch in the playoffs. This would rival the bloody sock hands down. So we are looking at CC and Kuroda in the playoffs. I hope that I’m wrong but IMHO you do not need stats to see that the play and chemistry appears to be missing going forward.

        • Frank

          Phil Hughes is a thrower, not a pitcher. He has a FB and a decent curve and nothing else. Unless you’re Nolan Ryan or Verlander, you are not going to win just throwing an average FB. He has no put away pitch(s. Last night was the perfect example. He got through the order on 43 pitches and then threw almost as many pitches in the 4th. Why? Because they could wait and sit on his FB. The AB vs. Boesche was a perfect example. He kept feeding him FBs because he had nothing else he could go to. Hughes is a relever. End of story. He doesn’t have the pitch repertoire to go through a tough lineup multiple times. The sooner the Yanks realize this, the better off they’ll be. I have more faith in Nova because he at least has 3 quality pitches. His problem is command.

          • YanksFanInBeantown

            It’s a good thing we have reasonable, ratioanl people like you here who never make knee-jerk reactions to bad outings.

            I mean just look at Hughes’ stats since May. 3.58 ERA, 6.1 innings a start. If that doesn’t scream reliever, I don’t know what does.

            [Insert something about "sheep" or "Cashman apologists" as you see fit]

          • LarryM.,Fl.

            Frank, you are correct with Nova and his command. I just wonder what these guys do between starts. Are they working on bettering themselves because it sure doesn’t look it. Nova throws high in the zone every start. Leads the league in Extra base Hits. Girardi or Rothchild can’t get him to work on this during his side sessions. Or does he not have the ability to correct it.

            They sent down Phelps to stay stretched out. He has returned and now is back to 1 or 2 inning relief jobs. Until Hughes can get some secondary pitches. The Yankees would be better served with him in the bullpen but no one else can go 5,6 or 7 innings at this time.

            Seems like all the plans have failed miserably. Get out the emergency binder. Break the glass.

  • Hall and Nokes

    The Pythagorean lead over Baltimore is still 14.5, I don’t know what everyone is worried about….

    • chilango

      Baltimore’s 1st order win pct is like .440 TB is the team to worry about. And they just got a boost now that Longoria’s back.

  • Billion$Bullpen

    This team is not as bad as they look now. They were not as good as they looked a month and a half ago. Joe G. is not a perfect manager and I wanted Donnie to get that job (mostly because he is my favorite player of all time) but let us not forget about Old Man Joe who slept during games. We have it pretty good with this team. There are issues but all teams have issues.

    I am not worried about the O’s. They will fail and crumble. Matter of time.

    • jjyank

      Well said. No team is ever as good as their ~.700%+ winning streaks, or as bad as their losing streaks. If you started thinking this was the greatest team ever back in early July, you’d be just as wrong as the people in threads now claiming that we’re doomed to collapse and miss the playoffs.

      They’ll get hot again, then probably cold again, and hot again. I swear, it’s like some people have never been through a baseball season before. It’s frustrating as hell, but you gotta look at the big picture.

    • chilango

      The Yankees need to retool period. They’ll get into the playoffs and crumble-again. They’re an old, creaky streaky team with so-so pitching and a lineup that doesn’t hit for avg. They’re not going to win in the post season with HRs. Ironically, the money they thought would buy them a winner is what is now preventing them from rebuilding.

      • jjyank

        Have you watched the playoffs before? Because if you did, I wonder what you would have said as a Giants fan in 2010 or a Cardinals fan in 2011. The Yankees are just as capable as any other team who makes the playoffs of getting hot for a couple weeks.

        • chilango

          You can say that about any team. The Mariners got hot for 2 weeks. So what? Seems like a waste of a lot of money to lay our playoff chances on a crapshoot

          • jjyank

            It is a crapshoot. It always is.

            And yes, you can say that about any team, that’s the point.

  • Mick taylor

    If Billy Martin was managing he would have dusted Cabrera by now or at least pitch him tight inside. He also would bunt on him. Cabrera is a terrible 3rd baseman. Yanks have ichiro jeter granderson who could bunt. Chances are Cabrera won’t field it cleanly or at least it might tire him out.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      If Billy Martin was managing we’d all be screaming at the thought of a drunken zombie in the dugout.

  • Mick taylor

    Billy Martin would pitch Cabrera high and tight and bunt on him all night. But apparently girardi is afraid to insult el señor drunk.

    • Bunt Gardner

      There’s a paper jam in the 3rd floor copier again.

  • mt

    Granderson at number 1 is ugly – he probably needs a couple of days off but coiuld Ichiro do it?.

    Something has to change with Miguel Cabrera – completely ridiculous.

    I think I saw this is first time they have lost 8 straight one run games since the 1940′s – let that sink in. Incredible taht they have all been in last three weeks.

    For those waiting for Orioles to fall apart or regress, I am confused – if a team is able to win 12 straight extra innings games and are 22-6 in one run games over 108 -110 games even though they have an overall bad run differential, why are we so sure that it will definitely regress over the last 52 or so games of the season – this may be how it is. Or over the next 54 games they may have a positive run differential in this subset of games and do OK that way. What the Orioles have done so far with a horrible overall run differential is money in the bank – also do not know when Hammel will be back.

    Alos even if they regress we clearly have an issue the other way, losing one run games – maybe 1 run games are completely random but somehow we randomly have not won one in weeks.

  • Jose M. Vazquez

    In 2006 we had one of the best lineups ever against the Tigers in the playoffs and we lost. Ever since , it seems that they are looking down on us. Of course, we do not have anything resembling Cabrera or Fielder but their secondaries are beating us just as well. Our guys seem to be in the 2011 playoff groove all year. Granderson needs a rest badly and the problem is we have no one to give him a respite. I agree with the commenter above that we are not as bad as we look now nor as good as we looked earlier. But if we are to make it to the postseason we must get it together ASAP.

    • Jose M. Vazquez

      Although at times I may sound a little negative in my criticism of the team, I mean no harm. I take it as constructive criticism.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        It’s all good, Jose. I give you a hard time sometimes, but you’re one of my favorites on here and have been for a while.

        • Yankee Fan 1

          we are clamoring for Billy Martin now?

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I think the Martin stuff is an attempt at a running gag. I fully support it as such as long as we’re still not trying to keep it alive on Saturday. #gregwinksatgoatsstrangely

  • Eddard

    We’re in a lot of trouble, folks. This was going to be a good test for us against a playoff team and we’ve failed miserably. Too many problems- Lineup is full of .240 hitters who strike out AB after AB. Joe needs to change the lead off hitter starting tonight. Nova can’t locate, Hughes can’t get through an inning with less than 40 pitches thrown, we’ll see if CC and Kuroda can right the ship. That’s their job when the team is struggling.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Good thing this will all change by the next Eddard comment.

      • YanksFanInBeantown

        There have to be two Eddards, there’s literally no other explanation.

        Or maybe his little brother doesn’t change the handle when he comments.

  • mick taylor

    billy martin would throw nothing but high and tight to cabrera for a few at bats and bunt on him all night because he is a terrible 3rd baseman and it might tire him out. apparently girardi is afraid to insult cabrera by pitching to him that way or bunting on him in case cabrera looks bad fielding the bunt.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Billy Martin, in a drunken haze, would have confused Eric Chavez for Ed Whitson and beat the hell out of him.

      Chavez would then go on the DL for being beat up by a guy who’s been dead 20 years.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    So I guess I’m supposed to come on here and say “The team is playing like shit!” Well, they are right now.

    4.5 games is still a nice lead, and I STILL don’t believe in the Orioles. However, losing 5.5 games in the standings is always significant, no matter how tough you expect the division to be in the end. It was always going to resemble more of a dogfight than a slam dunk, but you can’t be thrilled with the momentum right now.

    I’m glad we have our AA swingman, CC, on the mound today. Gaining a game back in the standings would be a nice thing.

  • The Real Greg

    At some point the jump has to be made from a bad stretch of play to a trend. They have been playing like crap since the All-Star Break (11-13).

    The Orioles are still there, despite everybody waiting for the other shoe to drop.

    After last year, 4.5 games ahead is nothing to be proud of.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I have no clue what the last sentence even means, even in your world of goth and dead chickens.

      • The Real Greg

        Two teams blew substantial leads in the span of one month. Why should we be happy and secure with a 4.5 game lead?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Well, it’s about levels of happiness and security, isn’t it? You’re not completely “secure” versus completely “insecure.” There’s a continuum here.

          I can be happy my team is in first place with a nice cushion while, at the same time, be concerned with that same lead being cut in half in a pretty brief period of time.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.....evelopment

          • The Real Greg

            The problem with that is that 4.5 games, to me, is not a “nice” cushion. 5 games + is a nice cushion.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I would expect nothing less from you in that regard.

              When it’s the final game of the season, a lead of .5 games will be enough to win the division.

            • Eddard

              I couldn’t agree more, Greg. Some people here and the team are resting on their laurels. There is no sense of urgency. The lead has been cut in half! They had this division wrapped up and now it’s in serious doubt. Tampa has their best player back. The Os are having a magical season like the 09 yanks. And nobody is stepping up to stop it. Maybe CC will tonight.

              • The Real Greg

                I won’t say a magical season, but they are better than a lot of people around here are giving them credit for.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  …and good for them. I like young, overachieving teams. There is always room to temper your excitement, though, when dealing with young overachieving teams out there.

                  Once again, Piaget. You can hold two seemingly contradictory thoughts in your head at the same time.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Good thing they’ll have it wrapped up in Eddardland by noon again.

                I’d love to know how, as a guy procrastinating at work by engaging in meaningless arguments on Yankee blogs, I’m resting on my laurels. That would be a good one to explain.