Sunday Night Open Thread


Why would you pay money to have that made? (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

Pretty solid win for the Yankees today, who have won just six of their last 16 games but also three of their last four. Glass half full or glass half empty? Your choice. Either way, here is tonight’s open thread. The ESPN Sunday Night Game is in St. Louis for Brewers-Cardinals (Estrada vs. Lohse), plus the Olympics are on and there’s an NFL Preseason Game being played for you folks with the NFL Network. Talk about those games or anything else here.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Knoxvillain says:

    Half full I say. Just a little slump. Nothing to worry about. The division is over since the Yankees have it locked up.

  2. Dino Velvet says:

    Is is better if the Yanks finish with the 1st or 2nd best record in the AL?

    If they’re the #1 seed they face Oakland or the Angels.

    If they’re the #2 seed they face the Pale Hose.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      I think the Yankees can beat any opponent, but I’d prefer the #2 seed only so they know who they’re going to play and don’t have to stay up until midnight waiting for the WC game to end and then possibly have to fly all the way across the country for a game the next day.

      • commerce says:

        I’ve been on a Yankee list since 1998…this Q comes up every year. It never works out the way one wants it except if we have a chance to play the Twins. A great example of over-thinking…play whomever is in front of you. Then beat their butts!

        • whozat says:

          Given that none of us are actually playing, this comment is completely irrelevant. Really just one fan asking other fans who they think the Yankees match up better against.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

        There’s an off day in between, but the travel would still suck.

  3. jjyank says:

    I saw this on facebook and I had to share it.

    Disclaimer: Not safe for…well, anything.

  4. Typical MIT Nerd says:

    Glass half empty: Garcia is horrid. 9 baserunners in 5 innings against one of the worst offenses in baseball.

    Why the hell is he still on this team?

    Oh and Ichiro needs to be DFA’d at this point. He’s finished. I’d rather watch Dickerson or Melky. Dickerson would give more.

    Seriously, between Ibanez, Jones, Garcia, Ichiro, and Martin this team has a whole lot of suck. Gotta love the sub-.800 OPS from the platoon DH! The Rangers are going to kick our asses once again for an early exit in October.

    • jjyank says:

      Melky Mesa would be better at the MLB level? I stopped reading right there.

      • Typical MIT Nerd says:

        Right, cause Ichiro’s offense is really impressive!

        • jjyank says:

          And Mesa could K in every plate appearance for the rest of the year! So much better!

        • Mike Axisa says:

          No one said it was. Sweet strawman.

          • Typical MIT Nerd says:

            So why, pray tell, is he on the team? Dickerson is clearly better in every category. And I like Mesa’s chances. How much worse could he be?

            (which was my point, unacknowledged by the trolls here).

            • Mike Axisa says:

              Mesa? A ton. Had the one great year in Tampa but otherwise hasn’t hit except for when he’s repeated a level.

              Dickerson might be better, might not. Probably a wash, not really worth the argument for ~55 games worth of the season.

              • Typical MIT Nerd says:

                For Mitchell he is. Middling arm or not, he was a piece. What is Ichiro providing that Wise wasn’t?

                • Mike Axisa says:

                  Wise wasn’t going to keep that pace up, you should know that. Ichiro going forward is a much better bet to remain productive, especially since so much of his value is tied to his defense and baserunning.

                  • Typical MIT Nerd says:

                    Now you’re left to argue defense and baserunning? As you said, alot of people have been taking the extra base on Ichiro. He’s a .640 OPS hitter for two years now. No amount of defense and baserunning is going to make up for that (though we could test that theory next year with Gardner).

                    • Knoxvillain says:

                      Do you really think Wise is that type of player? He is a shuttle bus rider for a reason. No offense to Wise, but he won’t be starting in the All-Star game anytime soon.

            • Kempire Strikes Back says:

              veteran. presents.

              Learn them. Love them.

            • jjyank says:

              “Unacknowledged by the trolls here”

              Except I did, above. How much worse could he be? Well, he could strikeout in every appearance. And considering his tendencies and his lack of MLB experience, that could happen.

    • Alkaline says:

      Well then why even watch at this point? The Yanks might as well get a head start on the offseason and just go home. The 2011 Cards and 2010 Giants should have just forfeited all their games at this point of the year, too….

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      I’m starting to think MIT is very overrated.

      • jjyank says:

        I’m starting to think he never went to college at all.

      • Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

        His argument about Showalter the other day was made based on completely made up facts.

        But based on the many people I know from MIT, the main reason he’s not typical is that he cares about sports.

        • Typical MIT Nerd says:

          Oh really, you mean when the geniuses here wanted to highlight the difference between the 91 and 92 Yankees? But sure that was made up.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          Manager of the century, dude. Manager of the century. Heaven forbid he actually wins something one of these years.

          • Typical MIT Nerd says:

            You were using Girardi’s MOY (when his team was under .500) for proof of what exactly? Your own ego?

            • Mike Axisa says:

              You asked what he did without a $200M payroll and I told you.

              • Typical MIT Nerd says:

                You told me he won an award…with a sub-.500 team. What happened to your standard for evidence?

                Showalter, by contrast, has made every team better. Forget the titles, he deserves more credit than Torre and the immortal Brenley. Perhaps you’re too young to remember the Yankees from 90 to 91 to 92 to 93 to 94? That’s when all the magic happened. They would have won the title in 1994.

                • Knoxvillain says:

                  Were you in the special class in school? How could Showalter deserve more credit than Torre?

                  Showalter rings: 0
                  Torre rings: 0

                  Showalter’s chance at the HOF: 0%
                  Torre’s chance at the HOF: 100%

                  Showalter left the Yankees when they were starting to play well again. Torre made sure they did. I’m not sure what Showalter did to help the Yankees win the World Series in 1996 and from 1998-2000 since he didn’t manage them.

                  • Typical MIT Nerd says:

                    Did you watch the Yankees from 1990 to 1994? From this comment, imma guess not.

                    Meanwhile, who did Torre develop? He was the manager for how long? Who were his players? He showed up and Mo and Bernie and O’Neill and Pettitte were already who they would be. Jeter was already otherworldly. Even then, Girardi gets more credit for improving Jeter’s defense than Torre gets for anything. Then there’s Jorge, who Torre actively held back for *years* in favor of a far inferior catcher.

                    In all his time, Torre didn’t develop one player to match any of those. He didn’t develop one starter or reliever. Showalter doesn’t get all that credit, but he clearly knows how to bring a young team along. He’s done it three times now. Meanwhile, what did Torre was completely exposed when he got to the Dodgers.

                    • Knoxvillain says:

                      Jeter was already otherworldly? He barely played under Showalter and has played most of his career under Torre to this day, but Showalter deserves the credit? I can’t comprehend this.

                      Mo was already who he would be? He was almost traded because he had no value at the time.

                      The Dodgers? Shouldn’t you blame McCourt and his failure to be a good owner get more blame then Torre? It’s not his fault the Dodgers couldn’t field a good team.

                      If you wanna play that, then Torre molded Melky, Cano, Robertson, Wang (even though his injury ended his career), Hughes, Kennedy, and more players. That makes no sense at all.

                    • jjyank says:

                      I retract my comment about you not graduating kindergarden, and amend that to you’re a cranky old mean “get off my lawn” type. Also one that never went to MIT.

                    • Typical MIT Nerd says:

                      Mo was almost traded after 1995? Do you even bother to check your facts before you type your bull?

                      Torre gets no credit for Jeter. Kid showed and played. But if it were up to Torre he would have started Fernandez. He said so.

                      Mattingly has done much better with the same Dodgers.

                      Way to list the middling players. Cano is the only above average of the bunch and even then he’s thrived more when Torre left.

                    • Knoxvillain says:

                      Mo was nothing in 1995. It was also a much different Dodger team than it is now. Kershaw, a productive Kemp, Ellis, Ramirez, and more players.

                      Kennedy didn’t win 21 games last year with a sub 3 ERA? Melky isn’t one of the best players in baseball right now? Wang wasn’t above average? Robertson isn’t above average?

                      Geez, dude.

                    • Robinson Tilapia says:

                      He’s pulling our leg. This has to be for attention. There’s no way you can stand behind such misinformation unless you know it’s not true, but want to rile people up with it anyway.

                      This must be what allowing people to be the kind of fans they want to be means.

                • Robinson Tilapia says:

                  The Showalter teams were better than the “Stump” Merrill teams. Agreed.

                  To say that Buck deserves more credit than Joe Torre is absolute idiocy. They MAY have won in ’94, and it’s sad that we’ll never know whether they would have or not. What that roster became by the time the dynasty years rolled around both was very different than Buck’s teams and was not as a result of Buck.

                  FWIW, I LIKE Buck and think a lot of his tenure as Yankee manager. His teams made me feel like we actually had a chance again.

                  • Knoxvillain says:

                    Nope. You’re wrong. He went to MIT and majored in sabermetrics. Believe him. For your own good.

                  • Typical MIT Nerd says:

                    Oh really, list the buttons Torre pushed. He showed up to three HOFs up the middle, an excellent rotation, and an otherworldly reliever (who Showalter DID develop).

                    In three times as many years, Torre didn’t develop one middling player.

                    Again, the proof is what they did afterwards. Showalter has done the same with one other team (that he was hired to build from scratch) and is well on his way with another.

                    Torre by contrast washed out of the game when he couldn’t do anything with a very talented Dodgers team.

                    • Knoxvillain says:

                      The Dodgers weren’t that talented, dude. Are you going to ignore Cano, Melky, Hughes, Kennedy, Joba, Wang, Robertson, etc? Or did Showalter make those players into great players by playing against them?

                    • jjyank says:

                      Again, your arguments are so ill-informed that I don’t know where to start. This has been debunked several times already on this very sight. But you disappear when it has been debunked, only to appear a few days later to spew the same crap.

                    • Robinson Tilapia says:

                      Holy revisionist history. Bernie Williams was the only one of them with more than a handful of at-bats in ’96. Buck flew down to Columbus and tutored them all himself? He has nothing to do with any of them.

                      I’m not arguing this point further with you. Breaking Bad is on.

                    • Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

                      It would be great if you could respond to the whole thing about Showalter’s pythag record that you claimed from last thread.

                    • Mike Axisa says:

                      Don’t bother. The pattern here is…

                      1. Make a claim
                      2. Ask you to provide evidence backing up your rebuttal
                      3. Ignoring evidence
                      4. Move target

                    • jjyank says:

                      @ Pasta Stumbling Sojo

                      Agreed 100%. Your research was great, and it would be nice if the Typical Troll would pay some attention to it.

                • Mike Axisa says:

                  They would have won the title in 1994.

                  Obviously my standard of evidence is much higher than yours.

            • jjyank says:

              Your terribly formed argument was debunked the last time you made it. Don’t try it again.

    • Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

      Seriously? You know who the DH for Texas is, right? Michael Young and his shiny .640 OPS. And the Rangers’ DH as a team have a .747 OPS compared to the Yankees’ .900.

      The Yankees aren’t perfect, and the players you listed aren’t great, but all teams have similar crappiness on their rosters (and most of them have much, much more). And even if you’re being optimistic, what do you think the difference would be between Dickerson and Ichiro? Half a win over the course of the rest of the season? Why is this something to complain about?

    • gc says:

      Typical troll is typical.

      • Typical MIT Nerd says:

        And look at that, none of you adding anything on-topic or to my points.

        The truth hurts. So, so, sad. Boo-hoo.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          Yes, you’re the first person in RAB history to realize that Freddy Garcia sucks. Excellent point. I bow down before your genius. Next you’ll tell me that Derek Jeter can’t hit righties or that Phil Hughes is homer-prone.

        • Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

          I did. I also pointed out in a previous thread that you had pulled your supposedly factual claim about Showalter out of thin air, and it was false.

    • MannyGeee says:


      Obvious troll is obvious

  5. BillB says:

    Can anyone answer this:

    The team who plays the wild card winner has to play the first two away and than the next three home. How is the other playoff series set up?

    • Kempire Strikes Back says:

      The team with the better record plays the first 2 at home, then the next 2 at the stadium of the team with the lesser record, and game 5 at home if necessary.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      Both ALDS series are 2-3 format. The LCS and WS are the same 2-3-2 as years past.

      • Kempire Strikes Back says:

        The ALDS is a 2-3 format now? Shit, I’m off my game.

        • Get Phelps Up says:

          Just for this year.

        • jjyank says:

          Just for this year, I think.

        • Strat says:

          Only this season, because MLB had to force the second WC in this season after the schedule was already out. So they did the 2-3 to cut out a travel day. Next season the schedule will allow them to go 2-2-1

          • Kempire Strikes Back says:

            Wouldn’t it have been smarter to wait a year before the second wildcard was added then? Is the MLB that desperate for revenue from markets that normally don’t have their team in the playoffs? Or is Bud Selig just a greedy fuck?

            I think we all know the answer.

            • jjyank says:

              It’s the latter. I hate Selig with a dying passion. He’s a dick. There are so many things that would be better for baseball as a game, but he chose to bum-rush the new playoff system instead.

  6. jjyank says:

    I’m starting to think he flunked pre-school.

  7. RetroRob says:

    I prefer to look at it as the Yankees have won 63 of their last 107 games. : -)

  8. BillB says:

    So both are 2-3 format? well thats just stupid

  9. Robinson Tilapia says:

    East Antartican Studies. I think I figured out his major.

    Complaining about Freddy Garcia pitching like a solid fill-in #5 starter as a fill-in #5 starter: priceless.

    • jjyank says:

      My personal bet is that he failed out of high school. If he did go to college, I guess I could see Art History or something.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Art History 1 was one of the toughest electives I ever took in college. True story.

        It’s like baseball-specific autism sometimes, and I say that with all due to respect, honestly, to anyone on the PDD spectrum or who loves someone who is.

      • TomH says:

        You don’t know too much, do you?

  10. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Where’s my Plouffy weather report? It’s raining cats and dogs in the BK.

  11. cashmoney says:

    Cali Angels worries me the most in a 5 game series. 1.pitching 2. 2 ultra talented hitters. Rather avoid em if possible. but then again, they may not make the playoff, the Yanks will though.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I’d say any team that can throw at least two shutdown starters out there will give me a case of 2001WS-specific PTSD. Yes.

    • Kevin G. says:

      I don’t think the Angels are going to win the West but they will be one of the Wild Card teams so there is a good chance they go up against Verlander in the playoff. In that case the Angels will probably be eliminated and the Yankees will not have to see Verlander Game 1 in the ALDS (assuming best record).

    • Mike Axisa says:

      We can come up with reasons to be scared of any team in a five-game series, it’s a useless exercise. If they make the postseason, the Yankees are going to play a really good team in the first round and might lose to them. That’s just the way it is.

      • Paul VuvuZuvella says:

        Oh stop with the Uberlogic, will ya?

      • Brian S. says:

        What if a team draws the Yankees? That team has to deal with CC-Kuroda-Pettitte, a lineup full of players that can hit home runs, and two top flight late innings arms. What a difficult matchup!

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          Of course. The point is that anyone can beat anyone.

          Tell that, though, to the people who become convinced the Yankees are “built to lose in the ALDS,” or whatever they say, when the team does something they don’t like.

  12. Will (the other one) says:

    To what extent has everybody been following the Olympics so far? I’ve never been big on the Summer Games, but I’m surprised at how much I’ve been enjoying watching so far.

    • OMG! Bagels! says:

      Haven’t seen a single minute of it. I was at a get together last night where everyone kept talking about it and when I said, only when asked what I thought about someone or other, that I hadn’t watched any of it and I had no idea who this person was. The entire place went silent as if I just said, “I love torturing puppies.”

      • Paul VuvuZuvella says:

        It’s not an event for Sports lovers. It’s an event for Gossip lovers. (no offense to the fair and lovely and even smarter gender, but this is why the audience is predominantly female.)

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          I disagree there. I think who NBC targets as viewer is one thing. I think the talent and effort that go into each support is another. The strength those gymnysts possess is just amazing.

          It’s easy for the non-sports fan to get behind something that lasts a few weeks and goes on every four years, hits a patriotic nerve, etc. It shouldn’t take away from what’s actually going on.

          I’m actually glad I’m doing a little bit more watching this time around. I always regretted it when I would take a stance like OMG!B! in the past.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            “each sport”

          • Paul VuvuZuvella says:

            Oh believe me I’m with you on the talent and athletic ability. There’s also something really cool about watching what is a kid (maybe a 15 year old girl) compete on a world stage to be the best on earth. All said, I can’t get into the volume of activity. One or two events here or there. I’m a huge sports fan. For Americans (sorry to the Latinos for using this label), we need Team Sports and we DON’t need a World stage to prove ourselves. It’s the way we were brought up…don’t hate us for it.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              I don’t get the whole American/Latino thing, but whatever. I’m guessing you meant “Americans” versus “South America” or something. It’s all good.

              To each his own, though. I think there are plenty of people in this country who identify more with an individual’s efforts than a team’s efforts. There are tennis fans. There are golf fans. There are auto racing fans.

              • Paul VuvuZuvella says:

                Yeah, you can’t call residents of the USA Americans in South America or you will get an earful. I try to say shit like “in the States” rather than “in America”, etc.

                Agree with your assessment of individual sports but there is a reason we have a Big 4 and they are all team sports.

                • Robinson Tilapia says:

                  I don’t know if I’d put hockey above tennis or golf. Then again, someone else can quote numbers that either quote otherwise or tell me Buck Showalter had something to do with it. Back to BB.

          • OMG! Bagels! says:

            I’ve actually been working a lot. I’ve missed a lot of Yankee games as well. Though it seems like the past few weeks were the games to miss.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I’ve tried to make a more concerted effort this year. Enjoying it. Why I just spent 15 minutes watching an expose on James Bond, I have no clue.

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      Haven’t watched much. It seems as if every time I turn the Olympics on, it’s a commercial. Then I lose interest and change the channel.

    • The Troll says:

      I think that the gymnasts McKayla Maroney and Aly Raisman are hot. I can say that because I’m not much older than they are. Despite this fact, however, Women’s Gymnastics in general is awesome. The sh*t they do on the beam, vaulty, floor, and uneven bars . . . it’s epic. I’m baffled their ankles don’t break after every landing . . . And their back muscles!!! They could crush steel-plated walnuts!

  13. The Troll says:

    Greg killed the dinosaurs.

  14. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Yuniesky Betancourt DFA’ed by the Royals. Yanks should pick him up only because I love how that one vendor at the stadium who loves to go through the opposing team lineup while hawking his wares says his name.

    • Knoxvillain says:

      I hate Betancourt more than I hate Fat Sloppy. Around 2006-2007 the Mariners’ announcers said they would take him over Jeter if the season started today during a series at Safeco against the Yanks.

      More proof why announcers should stay to announcing the game and should start to keep their opinions to themselves.

  15. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I hate that the storms somewhere are messing with my Breaking Bad feed.

  16. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    Anyont got a cure for hiccups?

  17. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    There should be a “No Cheesy Moustache” rule for all Olympians (of any gender.)

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