Thursday Night Open Thread

Perhaps the greatest John Sterling call in history
Austin & Sanchez homer in Tampa win
That was a big boy save this afternoon. (REUTERS/Rebecca Cook)

Holy cow, that had to be the most annoying series of the season. The Tigers got every infield single, blooped every double, and were standing in the way of every line drive. They got almost all the breaks and the Yankees still walked away with the split, and they had the tying and go-ahead runs in the scoring position in one of the two losses. It was painful, but all in all it’s tough to be disappointed with the result of these four games considering how they played.

Anyways, here is your open thread for the night. The baseball schedule is light this evening, but MLB Network will broadcast a game and most of you will see the Red Sox at the Indians (Doubront vs. Jimenez). ESPN is also airing a preseason NFL game a little later, so hooray for that. Talk about whatever you like here, the thread is yours.

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Perhaps the greatest John Sterling call in history
Austin & Sanchez homer in Tampa win
  • CUYanks

    Good night to do a little Manny Machado scouting.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      The Royals are fighting the good fight tonight.

      • CUYanks

        Will Smith hasn’t had a chance to do his thing, but soon we’ll see if he’s more http://www.imdb.com/media/rm993821952/tt0098800
        or
        http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1295423488/tt0480249

        • jjyank

          Haha well done.

      • mt

        Unfortunately Wil Smith is pitching – not much faith.

      • MartinRanger

        And against Chen, who has been really damn good this year. Like it seemed like typical ‘Yankees flail at replacement-level change-of-speed pitcher’ and to an extent it was, but he’s gotta be the best player out of Korea since BK Kim?

        • CUYanks

          Chen’s from Taiwan, like CMW.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Best Japanese export since Nomo, then.

          • MartinRanger

            Whoops. My bad. I swear there was a lefty from Korea who got signed that I’m confusing him with.

    • Defensive Indifference

      Bounced out with runners on his first at bat. What a bust.

  • Cano fan #1

    Hi I need some help with my fantasy team I need a closer I already have a some good starter the thing is that someone is offering me this trade I give yu darvish for Jose valverde. What you guys think?

    • CUYanks

      Redraft or keeper league?

      • jjyank

        Right, important question. My response below would be for a non-keeper league, fyi.

      • Cano fan #1

        Redraft

        • jjyank

          Oh well then my response below. If you’re trading a guy with Darvish’s upside, get something better than Valverde.

    • jjyank

      Trade for Valverde. Then send him to A-ball while secretly inject every single hitter in the league with high grade steroids. Jose Valverde will be forever doomed to blow saves in the low minors.

      But seriously. I’d go for it. Darvish hasn’t been very good and Valverde is a closer on a good team and probably won’t be losing his job.

      • Bob Buttons the Cat

        His ERA is strangely high since Jul 1st, and his BABIP is .250 in that span. Looks like a red flag to me.

        • jjyank

          I’m not saying Valverde is great, or even good. But Darvish hasn’t been much better, and sometimes you take a hit in peripherals if you can get the saves in a closer. It all depends on the layout of your team.

          • Bob Buttons the Cat

            My thoughts are that Valverde might blow up any time (somewhat literally) and usually a bad outing by a reliever can be fatal. I’m not against trading for Valverde but he’s a bit risky to give up Darvish for. Right now his value is rather low so he shouldn’t be given up for Carlos Marmol lite.

    • Bob Buttons the Cat

      Valverde is horrible. Look at his WHIP and walk rate. He is pitching badly and it even shows up on his ERA. You should look around for other trades because it might hurt you more than it helps you.

      If this is a keeper league (I assume that it’s not), you should never listen to the guy ever again if he suggested it.

      • CUYanks

        Keeper league, you’ve gotta stick it out with Darvish for the upside, but this year (and possibly his career) he might not offer much upside other than k’s and wins with a risky WHIP/ERA. Valverde is pretty much a lock to give you saves because the team is decent and Leyland sticks with his veteran’s to a fault. That being said, if you need saves, perhaps you can get another closer with better ratios, but with less name recognition. Perhaps a Wilhelmsen or Hanrahan or even a Casey Janssen?

        • Get Phelps Up

          I have Wilhelmsen and would highly recommend him. Kenley Jansen’s another one.

        • Bob Buttons the Cat

          I’ve seen Casey Janssen pitch and he’s been performing like this for the past couple of years but because Toronto didn’t see him as a closer type until this year he’s been under the radar.

          However given the recent injuries to Toronto hitters Janssen should not be counted on for the near future.

          • G

            Kenley, the Dodgers closer, not Casey.

            • Bob Buttons the Cat

              Above he mentioned “Casey Janssen”, as in

              “Perhaps a Wilhelmsen or Hanrahan or even a Casey Janssen?”

  • Kramerica Industries

    That was a beautiful comeback, even if I didn’t get to see it.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Only listened on radio, and half of it was having the game on in really low volume, with GameDay set on my phone, while supervising staff. We made it through.

      I have to watch that Ibanez replay and Girardi toss when I get home. Sounded like total bullshit with the ump calling it foul. We’ll see.

      Just win, baby. Onto the next one.

      • Kramerica Industries

        The call was, ultimately, correct.

        But the ump, Welke, didn’t signal it was a fair ball immediately, not until the ball had entered foul territory and Ibanez had already turned his back on the umpire to retrieve the ball. I imagine Ibanez played the ball like a fair ball* because he saw it land on the chalk, and he heard the crowd reaction to it being a fair ball. Instincts were why he continued, even though the ump fucked up his part of the deal.

        and played it about as poorly as possible, I may add! It’s ok, though, since the Yankees won.

      • RetroRob

        The call was correct and I didn’t think initially that the blown call had any impact on Ibanez, but after watching the replay I’m not sure.

        Ibanez clearly knew that the umpire called it initially foul, because as soon as the play ended, Ibanez took a move toward the umpire signaling to him that he called it foul. Girardi then took up the fight. There was one very slight hesitation on the part of Ibanez that might have been caused him to miss the bounce, and then screw up trying to retrieve the ball as he knew the call was reversed.

        So, yes, it’s possible the call had an impact on Ibanez. If I had to pick one way or the other I still go by my initial reaction that the umpire’s call did not impact Ibanez, but the replay and Ibanez’s reaction leads me to consider it as a stronger possibility than I originally thought.

        Fortunately, it doesn’t matter.

  • Bob Buttons the Cat

    Jeremy Accardo, potential scrap heap reliever? Haven’t paid much attention to him but he might be an okay insurance as the third Cory Wade type if he’s willing to accept a minor league deal.

  • CUYanks

    Every Will Smith out is like a gift. So far we have 8 gifts today.

  • DERP

    Billy Butler is doing gods work today. A single away from the cycle.

  • Brian S.

    Imagine if the Yankees had traded for Ubaldo last year. Cashman may have been fired by now.

    • MartinRanger

      I’m calling it now: the Yankees will get more value out of Michael Pineda than the Indians get out of Ubaldo Jimenez.

      • Brian S.

        Not saying much…

        • MartinRanger

          Granted, but considering how many people raged when Cashman didn’t get Ubaldo? And he would have had to give up more than just Montero.

          • dalelama

            I don’t remember anyone raging when we didn’t get Ubaldo because everyone knew he was damaged goods.

            • RetroRob

              Obviously the Cleveland Indians, the team with the most to lose here, as opposed to fans just posting nonsense on blogs, didn’t.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              You must have been standing next to a magnet around this time last year, then. There was quite a bit of Ubaldo-love around here, along with those of us who wanted the team to stay away.

              • dalelama

                That is why they are the Indians….

  • Kramerica Industries

    Wil Nieves hit a home run today.

    No, really.

    • Heisenberg’s Hat

      That’s his 1 for the year.

  • Big Member

    Yankees should play Chavez for as long as he can endure holding a bat. He’s been better than A Rod this year. A Rid should be splitting time at DH and getting starts at 3B when Chavez is falling apart

    • CUYanks

      Chavez has been on a nice streak and has filled in admirably, but his last season finished with an OPS of .700+ was 2007. Let’s not get carried away and start proclaiming him a better option than A Rod.

      • RetroRob

        Right. Credit to Cashman for giving Chavez a shot in 2011 when the general consensus by many was laughter. He was a solid fill-in with big hits last year, and this season he’s playing as well as he has in five years.

        But can’t forget the man came to the Yankees to NOT play full time. He knows he can’t hold up. He was the one player who looked the most upset when A-Rod’s hand was broken because he knew he was going to absorb the heavy load. I could almost see it in his eyes, as he wondered himself if he physically was up to it. He told one of the Yankee beat reporters today that he’d play until he breaks. It’s in the back of his mind.

        He’s on a hot streak and it came at the right time. Every day that clicks by is another day closer to A-Rod returning.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      If Chavez continues hitting, I’m sure they’ll find a way to get them both in the lineup against RHP (and Chavez will continue to sit vs. LHP). Chavez played against almost all RHP before ARod’s injury anyways.

    • Brian S.

      A-Rod has been killing it at DH this year. I think he should be DH and Chavez the third baseman in the playoffs.

      • jjyank

        Maybe against a righty. But the A-Rod at DH stuff I still brush off as SSS. 26 games at DH? Is that indicative of anything? I don’t know, and frankly neither does anyone. I more concerned about Chavez’s health. I worry that if he keeps playing at this clip, he won’t even be on the playoff roster.

        • Brian S.

          Three lefties in a row against Toronto. He should get at least two days off. Maybe all of them and just pinch hit when need be.

          • jjyank

            Right, but I mean for the next six-7 weeks. The season’s not even over head and he’s already played in more games since 2006. How much longer can we realistically expect him to hold up? Don’t get me wrong, I love Chavez. I just wouldn’t count on him taking the heavy side of the platoon as late as October.

            • jjyank

              *The season’s not even over and*. No idea why I typed the word “head”.

              • Al Snow

                WHAT DOES EVERYBODY WANT?!?!

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Can he put it down to go to sleep?

  • Pasta Stumbling Sojo

    Am I alone in rooting for the Orioles?

    They are by far the worst team that has a shot of making the playoffs. I’m not taking the Yankees winning the AL East for granted, but the Orioles have very little chance of beating the Yankees for the division (Coolstandings gives it 3%). However, there’s a good chance they’ll scrape out a wild card spot, win a single game, and then face the Yankees in the Division Series.

    Isn’t that the best case scenario for the Yankees by a long shot?

    • MartinRanger

      I’ll root for them when the Yanks have a lead of, oh, 8 games or so in the loss column.

    • CUYanks

      Anything can happen in a 5 game series and even if the Orioles win the WC they might not make it out of the 1-game playoff, so with the premium put on winning the division, I think it’s much more in the Yankees’ best interest to have a better shot at the Division than hedging for a better ALDS opponent. If the Yankees clinch the division, then sure, I will be all out rooting for the O’s.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Oh hell no.

      1. College ex was an Orioles fan, which means I spent way too much time making fun of them.

      2. Ripken. Hate that fucker.

      3. Angelos. ’nuff said.

      I like young overachievers. I just don’t like the Baltimore Orioles.

  • Brian S.

    Triple for Machado.

  • DERP

    Machado just got a triple. That stupid fuck.

    • CUYanks

      Would have loved to see him get thrown out at 3rd with a 7 run deficit.

  • Brian S.

    It’s going to be very interesting to see how the AL East unfolds the next few years with Baltimore and Toronto improving.

    • CUYanks

      I’m honestly not sure they really are improving, with their young pitching failing on all fronts.

      • jjyank

        I think it all depends on Bundy for the O’s. If (and even for a top prospect, a big if) Bundy becomes an ace, I’m sure Baltimore can find a suitable #2 and fill in with back end guys. If Weiters, Jones, Markakis (and maybe even Machado) can carry the offense, they’ll be alright.

        That said, I’d worry more about the Jays as far as the future goes. That farm system is stacked. They suck this year in large part because so many pitcher have either had down years or got injured. But I’d take the Jays over the O’s in the future if I had to bet.

        • Brian S.

          Jason Hammel was an ace before he was hurt. That was a damn good trade for them. And Chen has been good this year (not today obviously). I just think Duquette is going to spend more money to improve their team and Toronto has arguably the best farm in baseball.

          • CUYanks

            Yeah, I can’t argue with you that it should be interesting. Somehow, though, year after year both teams’ development has continued to disappoint.

          • jjyank

            Yeah, but Jason Hammel was also not very good at all every single year except 2012. Is that really something you can predict his career with?

            • Robinson Tilapia

              The Coal Hammels thing clearly worked.

              • jjyank

                Or maybe it was Jason Hamels that helped. Seriously through, he kinda came out on nowhere. An ace, he is not. Let’s temper the expectations there.

  • Brian S.

    Tie game, bases still juiced for Cleveland. Doubront being taken out. We still remain the only team unable to hit him.

    • The Real Greg

      Brett Cecil model

      • DERP

        Yea, but Brett Cecil is good.

  • Mick taylor

    These umpires and selig their boss have a bias against the Yankees. Last year inthe playoffs who could forget how the umps gave the series to the tigers by calling balls and strikes the way they did. What welke did today is despicable. And the yanks should fire that idiot John flattery for saying it was his opinion that ibanez was not influenced by the foul call. If ibanez says he was no one can refute that unless theycan readmines.selig does not want the Yankees to win every few years the world series. So he makes rules to target the yanks. Andhe does subtle things to hurt them as well does anyone for ex. Believe cano had tested positive for peds like Ryan Braun the decision would have thrown out as it was for Braun.

    • DERP

      I want to make love to this post.

      • CUYanks

        So. Much. Rage.

    • TomH

      selig does not want the Yankees to win every few years the world series. So he makes rules to target the yanks.

      This is one conspiracy theory towards which I lean. Selig probably think all these salary rules, draft changes, etc., are “good for baseball” because they “level the playing field” and other trashy cliches. Perhaps he thinks America is just yearning to see play-offs and WSeries with minimized Yankee presence. And that they’ll love tuning in record-breaking numbers to Baltimore vs Minn. or Milwaukee vs Tampa Bay.

      In fact, America loves seeing the Yankees in the post-season. Perhaps not every year–but often: just to see them LOSE. Or WIN. It’s been going on since the 1930s.

      Envious small timers.

      • RetroRob

        MLB has been making rules to slow the Yankees since the creation of the amateur draft, and for all I know prior to that.

    • RI$P FTW

      LOL

    • RI$P FTW

      Selig hates the Yanks so much he lets them outspend all other teams every single year.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      John Flattery will get you nowhere.

  • DERP

    Manny Boesch

  • CUYanks

    Manny Machado with a Chris Stewart-esque infield single.

  • CUYanks

    Will Smith 7 ip, 2 er. Yes, please.

  • The Real Greg

    Pedro Ciriaco doesn’t only do it against us. 2-3 with a double tonight.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      TOOTBLAN

      • The Real Greg

        Indeed.

    • Brian S.

      So…he’s their shortstop of the future?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Not if THE MEDIA has anything to say about it.

  • DERP

    Kyle Roller had two triples in one inning tonight. Also both Austin and Sanchez homered.

    • DERP

      Slade had three hits and a walk.

      • Brian S.

        CoJo homered too. He was in an awful slump the last two weeks.

      • RetroRob

        The talent is there. Needs to stay healthy. I can easily see him being a big mover in 2013, going from AA to AAA, and from there he’s just a phone call away from the Bronz.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          From your mouth to Mo’s ears.

  • Get Phelps Up

    Crawford and Ciriaco putting on a base-running clinic.

  • DERP

    It blows my mind that the Orioles left field platoon is Lew Ford and Nate McLouth.

    • CUYanks

      Their number 2-3 starters are Chris Tillman and Miguel Gonzalez.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Axisa, your Wil Nieves tweet offended me. Prick.