Giants win the 2012 World Series

Open Thread: World Series Game Four
Fan Confidence Poll: October 29th, 2012

The 2012 season is officially over. The Giants swept the Tigers — the same Tigers who swept the Yankees in the ALCS — in four games to win their second World Series title in the last three years. Pablo Sandoval won MVP honors thanks in large part to his three-homer effort in Game One.

If you’re looking for some Yankees connections here, you’ve got plenty. George Kontos was a September callup last year before being traded for Chris Stewart. Xavier Nady spent a year and a half in pinstripes, and Joaquin Arias was a former top Yankees prospect who went to the Rangers in the Alex Rodriguez trade. Melky Cabrera wasn’t on the active World Series roster due to his PED suspension, but he certainly helped the Giants this summer after several years in New York. Giants GM Brian Sabean also spent a number of years in the Yankees front office immediately prior to heading west. Dave Righetti, Hensley “Bam Bam” Meulens, Roberto Kelly, Joe Lefebvre, and J.T. Snow are all on the coaching staff. Former Yankee Phil Coke took the loss in extra innings. Congrats to San Fran, they were magnificent in the series.

Open Thread: World Series Game Four
Fan Confidence Poll: October 29th, 2012
  • William

    Next baseball dynasty

  • Joe F

    Posey the next Jeter. Can’t wait to sign him in 10 years.

  • Brooklyn Ed

    despite a former Yank Melky being suspended for PEDs, and Lincecum having a crummy year. and damn Posey is definitely having a Jeter-esque career, won the first 2 World Series in his 3 year career.


  • Joe

    It must be nice to watch players get clutch hits instead of watching trash like swisher.

    • WhittakerWalt

      trash like swisher Fielder and Cabrera.”

  • Elton Cod

    This game, this team, this series proved that small-ball wins.

    “But wait”, you say. “There were three homeruns this game!”

    Exactly. The teams traded homeruns for 6 innings. Nobody really had the lead for long, then they were tied again. The home runs didn’t win.

    Then pitching really shut things down for a few innings until finally, 10th inning, the Giants manufacture a run. A hit, a bunt, and a hit. That’s all you need, Russell! Scutaro is a great player, he knows the game and he knows how to do what he needs to do when he needs to do it, so he drove in the winning run. Yankees need more winners like him, not stat-grubbing fence-swingers like Martin, Granderson, A-Roid, etc.

    Small-ball won the game. And the Giants won because their batboys care more about winning than Robinson Cano cares about fixing his batting problems.

    • Get Phelps Up

      So go root for the Giants then.

    • DT

      This post is full of stupid.

      • vicki

        plus one.

    • Rocky Road Redemption


    • DC


    • pat

      Marco The Great for his career .276/.340/.391

      • Get Phelps Up

        Which equals 1.000/1.000/1.000(no evil XBH’s) in Eltonworld.

  • John

    What about Rags? isn’t he the pitching coach for the Giants?

  • Kempire Strikes Back


  • Rey22

    What an incredibly uneventful World Series. Flat out boring.

    Unrelated, anyone see Buster Posey’s interviews? His answers are so Jeter-like, it was weird to listen to him.

    • Mr. Sparkle

      True. This World Series will only be remembered when people compile lists of the most forgettable World Series. It’ll be duking it out with 1966 for the honor.

  • Eddard

    Contact hitters are what wins in the postseason and Scutaro just proved it. Just imagine if we’d had a clutch hitter like Scutaro up with a 2-0 count and the winning run on 3rd instead of a .200 hitting catcher swinging for the heavens. We might still be playing. I’d like to see Cashman invest in some Scutaro type contact hitters this offseason. Big left handed hairy monsters are ok, but only if you balance them out with small right handed balding Scutaros.

    • jjsabe

      Scutaro had an awful ws and is batting under 700 ops in his postseason career. But ya thats what we need…

    • DC


      • Weeks

        I see what you did there.

  • Elton Cod

    Giants player says he think it was the x-factor, the intangibles, their refusal to give up, the stuff that all the statheads who counted them out couldn’t recognize. His explanation fits perfectly with the events that actually happened, like the team coming back from 0-2 and 3-1. But still I’m sure we’ll be told it’s stupid to think such a thing, what the player said didn’t “mean” anything, everything was just a random variation.

    • WhittakerWalt

      Players almost always say the stupid shit like that, the conventional wisdom nonsense. These guys aren’t that smart.

    • vicki

      it’s stupid to think such a thing.

      i don’t get it.

      this is a yankees blog, yes. but it’s the one that emphasizes math, probability, statistics. mike et al. go to pains to research, analyze and illustrate data. real deal brass tacks.

      what the hell with the all the reason-hating old ladies trolling the comments sections?

      • dalelama

        Because stat heads have never played the game at a high level so they don’t understand the intangibles involved in athletic competition, they can’t grasp the concepts of clutchness, leadership, or heart for example. To them sports is like X-box games they spent years in the parent’s basement playing.

        • bpdelia

          I played 4 years of division I college baseball.v I have played pretty competitive wood bat leaguesvfor the last 14. I’ve been watching as a serious non casual fan since 1974. so I’ve also actually missed playing in a competitive league one year of the last 30 or so. and you are making no sense at all.

          • TomH

            He’s describing a behavior–in this case of what he calls “statheads”–and linking it to a failure to understand the intentional dimension of a game like baseball. It’s quite possible that many of these “statheads” do fit his description, although the type is prevalent throughout modern society (e.g., economic statheads). On the other hand, he overgeneralizes if he’s claiming that these deficiencies of “statheads” are necessarily a result of failure to play the game. The attraction of this mathematical metaphysics is so great in modern life (generally), from physics and genetics through economics to baseball, that it’s like the sound of the Sirens in Homer’s Odyssey.

            • Elton Cod

              At least someone gets it.

        • WhittakerWalt

          What a foolish ass you sound like. “They never played the game” “they live in their parents basement” “clutchness/leadership/heart, etc.”

          You sound like a fucking flat-earther.

          I mean, you actually said clutchness.

  • NYMVP 1976

    First base coach Roberto Kelly too.

  • Effthisnoise

    Loved Coke giving up the winning hit….guessing it was a different glove slam after this game. Douche

    • vicki

      seriously. i’ve been trying to give up the word douch because, let’s face it, it’s over. but phil coke is a douche. no better way to say it.

    • your mom

      +1, I hate that fucker now.

  • Rocky Road Redemption

    Man, the bitter, unable-to-get-past-things-emotionally Yankee fans are out in full force tonight.

  • Get Phelps Up

    Can we please stop saying that the only way you can win in the postseason is with small ball? The Giants beat Verlander when Pablo Sandoval hit 2 home runs off of him. The Giants were able to play in the 10th inning of this game because of a home run by Buster Posey. Also, the Giants won Game 5 of their LDS because of a grand slam by Posey.

    The Cardinals last year won Game 6 on a walkoff home run (and tied it on a ball that hit off the wall) and the deciding run in Game 7 came via a home run by Allen Craig.

    The Giants in 2010 won the World Series on a 3 run home run by Edgar Rentaria off Cliff Lee in the 7th inning. The deciding run in all 5 games of that series came because of a home run.

    The 2009 Yankees led baseball in home runs and the deciding run in 2 of their World Series games came via a home run.

    So yes, home runs can win in the playoffs. But keep believing your dumb narratives.

    • forensic

      I don’t think there is necessarily anything to not being able to hit homers in the postseason, but I do think there is something to a player not being able to hit at all in the postseason. Unfortunately, the Yankees have several guys who fit into that category and/or the category of guys who are always too hurt in some way to produce. Combine that with an unexpectedly terrible individual player postseason or two and this year’s Yankees is what you get.

      • Get Phelps Up

        “I do think there is something to a player not being able to hit at all in the postseason.”

        I disagree with this. I mean, there’s been lots of instances where someone has been bad in the playoffs in his career and then turns it around one year (Tex this year comes to mind). Even Ibanez had been bad in the playoffs up until this year when he just went nuts. Posada OPS’d under .675 in all but 2 postseason he played in until 2005.

        • forensic

          Obviously no one is going to be terrible in every single series they play. They’re major leaguers for a reason and they’ll even luck their way into a few good series’. Even Swisher has blind squirrel/nutted his way to a good series or two.

          But, in general, there are guys you start to expect to disappear come playoff time. Even Tex, who you mentioned, was ok in the DS but there wasn’t a single XBH in there and he was then terrible in the CS. Ibanez had some enormous hits, but it started catching up to him the more he played. The shorter the sample, the more you question it. Posada was another small sample with some possible flukes mixed in (which everyone gets for a great series) including a triple!

    • Andrew 518

      I don’t think it is really a “dumb” narrative, any less than living by the home run is.

      There seems to be two camps small ball vs home run ball, what is missing is the inbetween.

      The answer for the Yankees going forward, if they are to be successful isn’t to play small ball per se, it’s to play
      small(er) ball.

      With the stadium dimensions I don’t think they should become a small ball team, but they need to deversify, they need a few players in the line up who can bring that to the table. When the homers aren’t working, when you are playing in Detroit, when the wind is blowing hard, you need another tool to impliment.

      This team won 95 games, their historically bad post season doesn’t erase that success, but it proved what some of us feared for most of the season (and were mercilessly mocked for) that this team was far too one dimentional, that it lacked the ability to adapt to a game without power.

      In the same way that a ballanced line up doesn’t consist of completely right handed batters, or completely left handers, we need to mix in some smaller ball players to offset the over reliance on power.

      Sure you can win postseason games with power, but if you want to win lots of postseason games (and that’s what the Yankees are supposed to be geared for) you need to be able to bring more than just one look to the table.

      • Steve (different one)

        Sure. I don’t think anyone disagrees with this.

        The problem with this is that the Yankees DO have guys that balance their lineup, but the two most important guys who can hit for average, Jeter and Cano, broke his ankle and had a horrific slump.

        Jeter, Ichiro, and Cano at the top of your lineup isn’t exactly a parade of plodding sluggers. Had Gardner been healthy, he could have added that dimension as well. Before this year, Granderson was less one-dimensional as well. Not a high average guy, but good for 20+ doubles, 20+ steals, and 10+ triples. He got into some bad habits this year, but he certainly has enough talent to correct some of those next year.

        The Yankees don’t need to reinvent the wheel next year. 2-3 smart decisions and they’ll be right back where they need to be.

    • vicki

      omigod how cool was game 2 of the 2009 world series?

  • Jersey Joe

    Yankees Fans…

    TO 2013!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • dalelama

      We won’t be holding our breath.

      • Robinson Tilapia (never missed an opportunity to namedrop Chuck Cary)

        I’ll give you a dollar if you don’t come back.

        • I am not the droids you’re looking for…(I believe that children are our future)

          I’m in for a dollar as well. Fuck it make it $20.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Posey with two rings and soon an MVP award in his first three years. He’s putting together quite a resume.

  • mt

    This season end has come so quick – by what date does Soriano have to opt out? – I read something that qualifying offers must be made within five days after WS ends so I assume he has to opt out before that.

    • forensic

      They reportedly have 3 days to opt-out, and yes, qualifying offers have to be made within 5 days. Players then have 7 days to accept or decline.

      • Andrew 518

        You mean he didn’t have to opt out during the game?

        • forensic

          I have to admit, I thought you were just mocking me for giving an actually number of days that they have to decide, until I remembered where you were going with this.

          It seems like so long ago I had actually forgotten about that for awhile.

          • Andrew 518

            Amazing to think there was a time I said you can’t let him go, give him as much money as he wants….

            Now here I am saying, eat as much money as you have to, anything to get rid of him….

            Funny game this is.

            • I am not the droids you’re looking for…(I believe that children are our future)

              The only thing funny is how equally stupid both points of view are.

  • The Oberamtmann

    My girlfriend is very happy. With baseball over, I have to pay attention to her again.

    • DC

      You still have football.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Heh Posey’s got more rings than ARod. Heck there might be a dynasty coming.

    • WhittakerWalt

      If Mo gets those three outs in 2004, ARod probably has another ring.

      • dalelama

        No Arod failed to get his bat on the ball and stranded a runner at third with one out in the eighth that cost us the game. Little did most Yankee fans realize it was just the beginning of Old Purple Lips’ legacy of post season under performance.

        • Steve (different one)

          Sure, after he hit a home run that landed on the street outside of Fenway to create the lead in the first place.

          • WhittakerWalt

            Yeah but see, right AFTER he hit that homer he decided to CHOKE for the next 4 years. It was a conscious decision on his part, don’t you know?
            Oh, and his lips are purple. That’s some hilarious insight there.

        • DC

          And the beginning of your bizzare obsession with him.

  • Kiko Jones

    On Sunday night the Major League Baseball season came to an end. For those of us who are fans of one of the other 29 teams who did not make it to the promised land, our heartbreak has varying degrees of freshness, depending on when our respective team’s season came to a mathematical end. Monday morning a host of players—including some big names—will wake up as free agents, and so the Hot Stove and its customary helping of rumors and speculation—and in some cases disappointment and/or excitement—will take center stage. Regular season awards will be handed out soon enough for us to mull over, but for all intents and purposes, the end has come to 2012 as far as baseball in The Show is concerned.

    However, as fans of the game let’s take this opportunity to revel in all the things that were cool about 2012. (Those pertaining to the Yankees are extensively covered here on RAB, so I’ll concentrate on the good stuff from elsewhere.) Among them, in no particular order:

    Miguel Cabrera of the Tigers won the first Triple Crown in 45 years; a pitching renaissance continued this year with various perfect games and no-hitters, and the Mets celebrated their 50th anniversary with their first ever no-no, thanks to the great Johan Santana; his 20-game winning teammate R. A. Dickey was the feel good story of the year; Angels rookie Mike Trout was so much fun to watch; first time manager (at any level!) Robin Ventura was outstanding for the White Sox; the Washington DC-area teams were both contenders; the long-dormant A’s won their division with a breathtaking resurgence; the Dodgers are back in business with new ownership (Showtime!) and a big desire to win; the Pirates are not there yet, but they’re looking better and better; and the dual Wild Card brought some extra excitement to the post-season.

    Yeah, a few umpires made some of the most egregious blown calls ever; next year the Astros will compete in the AL West, and thanks to the move there will be a weekly dose of interleague nonsense—ugh!—but we can bitch and moan about that later. Right now, I just want to be thankful for a great overall baseball season.

    Oh, and, pitchers and catchers report in a 100 days or so…

    • dalelama

      You forgot to mention our Yankees melted like marshmallows under the hot glare of the post season spotlight.

      • Robinson Tilapia (never missed an opportunity to namedrop Chuck Cary)

        You forgot to mention that our Yankees made the ALCS despite fighting off two teams that refused to die and the loss of several key players throughout the season.

      • Hubward

        I think you missed a ‘y’ at the start of the fifth word…

      • WhittakerWalt

        That isn’t what happened at all. Shame you’re too simple to understand that.

    • Kiko Jones

      I made it clear in the 2nd paragraph that Yankee highlights are already covered in RAB, so I would focus on non-NYY moments.

  • Bavarian Yankee

    awesome postseason for the Giants. Being down 0-2 in the NLDS and 1-3 in the NLCS couldn’t stop them. Congratulations to San Francisco, they really deserve it.

  • MannyGeee

    “The Giants swept the Tigers — the same Tigers who swept the Yankees in the ALCS”

    Good thing the Yankees didnt get into the World Series then… they totally would have lost by like…. *quick math*….

    8 gamez!!!!!

    • Robinson Tilapia (never missed an opportunity to namedrop Chuck Cary)


      (every commenter we suddenly started hearing from in the post-season)

  • JohnC

    On with offseason!!! Get to work Cashman!!

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Congrats to a great team, and an even better city. Last time I was in SF was in the offseason after their last title, and you could definitely sense it in the air throughout.

    Here’s to an eventful offseason and your trade proposal sucking. Maybe I’ll even bypass focusing on the NFL and will focus instead on my NBA CHAMPIONSHIP MIAMI HEAT repeating.

    • billbybob

      Fuck the Miami Heat. I’d rather root for the Nets (and I dry-heaved at the thought of that).

  • Steve (different one)

    The tigers scored the same 6 runs in a 4 game sweep that the Yankees did. I’m sure their fans want their entire team turned over.

  • mm

    This post-season is a perfect example of the essential randomness of the playoffs. Did the Yankees show great grit and heart and find what was needed to stay atop the Orioles in September and win a magnificant ALDS and then total lose their charcter in the next series? Did the Tigers show great heart in staving off the White Sox and the A’s and dominating the Yankees only to lose it vs. SF. Did St. Louis not amaze vs. Atlanta, and Washington. True grit in that last game, down 6-0. But, what happened vs. SF, outscored 20-1 becuase they lost their character, ability? Someone gets hot and stays hot for three weeks. Others stay hot for two. Some for none. If you slice up the 162 game regular season you will see for the best teams horrible reversals of fortune and great ones over a 20 game stretch. There is a need to make sense of a world that sometimes makes no sense and that’s why we have sportswriters and invented gods. But it only makes sense of you are committed to believing there are meaningful explanations for everything we care about. My view, and it’s taken me almost 70 years to fully get there (Yankee fan since 1953 and first had misgivings about “best team wins” mantra in 1960 when the Yanks won 3 games by 10-0,12-0 and 16-3 and lost four close games to the Pirates)is that only the regular season is the true test of a team’s worth. That doesn’t mean I don’t get very upset in the playoffs. It just means I don’t think analysis means much in small sample sizes. I try to have optimism of the will and pessimism of the intelligence. So, I think 2012 was a great season for the Yankees.

    • Steve (different one)

      Stop making intelligent posts. We want blood.

      • I am not the droids you’re looking for…(I believe that children are our future)

        And use paragraphs next time please.

    • TomH

      Put the year’s stats, then, into a computerized game form. For the playoffs, let them play out like a war game on a DoD computer. Crown the winner.

  • DJ4K&Monterowasdinero

    Glad we were spared our power hitters flailing at all those great offspeed pitches from the Giants…

  • JLC 776

    So let’s see, here’s what we’ve learned.

    -Verlander is a terrible pitcher on the national stage (All Star Game and World Series implosions). Bullpen time for him?

    -It’s only possible to succeed in baseball through small ball. There is no exception and never a time for power (home runs hit in innings 1 through 8 don’t count).

    -If you don’t have a scrappy young player with a bright future your team is doomed to an eternity of mediocrity.

    -Having no time off between post-season series will doom your offense. Having too much time off between post-season series will doom your offense.

    -There is no such thing as randomness or luck in baseball. Only scrappy, young hitting with no home runs.

    -The Yankees, Cardinals, and Tigers (who all batted below the Mendoza line over their final four games) were phonies who didn’t deserve the post-season. All three teams need to destroy their franchise and start over again (see 2011 Red Sox).

    -Pitchers are superior hitters because they hit singles and don’t swing for the fences.

    Did I miss anything?

    • WhittakerWalt

      No mention of heart or clutchness?

  • Eddard

    The Giants play the game the right way, the way it was meant to be played. They moved runners over when they had to. They manufactured runs when they had to. When they had a runner on 3rd, less than 2 outs they didn’t try to hit a HR. They just put the ball in play and got the run home. Their pitching took care of the rest. We had the pitching to go toe to toe with these teams but guys like ARod and Swisher struck out with the chance to get runs home with an out. That’s why I don’t think either will be back next year. The Giants have given the blueprint to how to build a lineup and a team. They didn’t need Melky. They didn’t need that cancer infecting their playoff run.

    • JLC 776

      Are you Tom Verducci? C’mon, admit it!

    • WhittakerWalt

      Not sure if I want to enable Eddard-blocking or just cancer-blocking on my browser.
      I know, I’ll just install “they play the game the right way”-blocking.

  • LarryM., Fl.

    Its more than the Giants 129 million dollar salary for the 2012 season. Its the makeup of the roster. Obviously, the Giants have a wonderful pitching staff but were very fortunate to have a balance of offense which can play to win in the off season. The AL East which is known as the beast of a division. Sets its rosters up to pound other teams into submission with pitching staffs that are capable of enduring the rigorous regular season while the Giants have a team which play the type of baseball which is needed to win during the playoffs. Pitch well and score runs in any fashion possible. The Yankees can not score runs dictated by the game and the pitching performances. The Tigers who I believe have an excellent staff shut us down and we could not react or adjust with a different offense ( approach). The set up a shift against Teix. or Granderson and no attempt by either player or their lack of ability to adjust. Swisher just wore me out with his typical playoff performance (adios). Arod as bad as he was. I’m still inclined to give him a pass with his hand injury and lack of rehab playing time. Also, who will take his contract?

    Besides the actual playing of the season coupled with any playoff time. The Hot Stove Season is a favorite. I hope the Cashman meetings prior to the FA period etc. brings a definite path toward younger and hungry player and organization. If Mo is uncertain then move on if Soriano opts. out and leaves 15.5 million on the table let him go. I’d make do with our choices from within Robertson, Joba or committee. Its not about saying money.Its about the platform for success being outdated and not working.

    • Steve (different one)

      best record in the AL and winning a postseason series does not really make the case that “the platform isn’t working”.

    • YanksFanInBeantown

      Teixeira batted .353 in the ALDS. Get a new narrative

      • TomH

        Get a response that doesn’t employ “narrative.”

    • WhittakerWalt

      I would have thought these playoffs taught us all a very valuable lesson: anything can happen. The Yanks got swept by the Tigers, and during that series the Tigers looked unbeatable. Then the Tigers promptly went out and got swept themselves, scoring 6 runs in 4 games just like the Yanks did. Anything can happen in a short series. The worst team can beat the best team. The triple crown winner can go silent. Prince Fielder can play just as bad as Swisher. These things happen.

  • Steve (different one)

    Could you imagine if Girardi let his LOOGY face a parade of right handed batters in the last inning of the World Series?