Season over: Tigers sweep Yankees out of ALCS


The Yankees never held a lead in the series and outside of the ninth inning of Game One, they didn’t put up much of a fight at all. Completely outplayed. Congrats to the Tigers, but I wish you no luck in the World Series.

Categories : Asides, Game Stories


  1. Winter says:

    Hopefully the offseason goes better than the postseason.

    • Is Coming says:

      Can’t go worse.

    • Jon G says:

      Not to mention better than last offseason. Or the last couple for that matter.

      I never liked that Austin Jackson trade, and he utterly destroyed Granderson in this series. Yet we gave up not only Ajax, but also IPK and Coke for him (and even Coke, who’s had his share of problems, made our bats look foolish in this series).

      Is CC a legit #1? I was never scared of him when he was with Cleveland, and I’m too often reminded why.

      • The Big City of Dreams says:

        Here we go again with the CC stuff. When he pitches well its ehhhhh but when he fails it’s see he’s not an ace.

        • RetroRob says:

          Under their definition, Verlander’s not an ace either, unless ace is determined by the most recent game pitched, which of course is dumb. Oh, wait. We just solved it.

        • 4got2duck says:

          Crap. CC is an overweight lefty who’s seen his best days & is just as likely to blow out his arm or a knee as to give you 200 innings & a year & serve as your ace. If I could find a team that would be interested & I could get a quality player or two for him, done! 2013 is Cano’s last year on his deal, & I’d trade him this winter too. Same goes for Granderson, & I’d definitely low-ball Martin forcing him to either sign CHEAP or walk as a FA. I’d offer Swisher a 1 year deal for the same money, & hope he walks, too.

          They have to decide if Nunez can play shortstop for them, & if not, is he better suited for 2b. They can’t go into next year expecting Jeter to be their everyday shortstop, so they have to have someone capable to play there every day. I’ll wait to say anything about ARod as I’m sure the papers will be full of stuff flying from his side & the yankee side in the days & weeks ahead. While I’d like to have Ichiro back, if the club doesn’t have a real chance to compete for a flag, it’s not fair to him to re-sign w/a rebuilding ball club & that’s exactly what this club really is at this stage. The guy has the right to get another shot at winning a ring, & IMO, that’s not happening w/the NY Yankees any time in the foreseeable future.

          I could see Romine & Cervelli being the two Yankee catchers next year, w/Tex playing 1b, Nunez or CoJo playing/platooning at 2b, Jeter & (who?)? at short, ARod or (who?) at 3b, Gardner in CF, & the two corner outfielders as yet to be determined.

          Even if CC isn’t dealt, & he should be, the starting pitching rotation will have to be rebuilt as I’d be surprised if both Pettitte & Kuroda come back & would not be surprised if either/or both of them retired this winter. That leaves a mediocre Phil Hughes & Ivan Nova. Unless the club can fill out the starting rotation w/some of the players acquired in deals for CC, Granderson, & Cano, we’ll see a bunch of journeyman starters for the next few years & losing or .500 level clubs as well.

          I’d let Soriano walk, & listen to what Mariano has to say, but let’s face it, Mariano’s got one year left tops, & he might want to spend it w/a team that has a chance to compete for a championship next year. Regardless, his best years are behind him, & the closer role & bullpen generally will have to be restocked w/new blood.

          This series should make it clear to everybody that the Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte era of the NY Yankees is all over but for the shouting. If any or all of them returns in 2013, it will be more about them taking their final bows more than anything although Andy may still have some value if he wants to return. Regardless, this club really needs to clean house & rebuild & the sooner they get going w/it, the better for all Yankee fans concerned.

          • jjyank says:

            Holy Hell am I glad that you’re not the GM.

            • Get Phelps Up says:

              I think Eddard or stuart a might be a better GM than this guy.

            • 4got2duck says:

              Oh, & why is that? You trade players while they still have value; not after they’ve lost all value. CC will not get any better, could just as easily break down & give you nothing, & the money going to him is better served elsewhere.

              Granderson has value if he hits, but the Yankees already have a better defensive centerfielder in Gardner, & dealing him can help you acquire a valuable pitcher &/or players for less dough. That applies double for Cano who should have a lot of value & he plays a position that can be filled from within w/a quality players(s) in Nunez, CoJo, Adams, etc.

              The Yankees will have to have a quality shortstop who can step in and play every day in case Jeter can no longer physically play shortstop any longer. Even if the ankle surgery is successful, he’ll be 39 years old next June & he wasn’t covering a lot of ground even before the so-called bone bruise in late August, In all likelihood, he won’t ever hit as well as he did this past year either.

              This club needs to lay a new foundation w/young, talented, players whose best years are still in front of them. The best way to rebuild is to shed big contracts, & stockpile big-armed young pitchers, hungry, talented, young players, & see which ones stick & where you have to fill in from there. CC, Cano, Granderson, Swisher, Martin, either don’t fit in or have to be dealt to acquire some of these players.

              I’d rather they get to it this winter, because time’s a-wasting, & the longer they wait to rebuild, the longer it will take this franchise to return to being the great ball club we expect them to be.

          • Robinson Tilapia (I love the New York Yankees) says:

            ….and I wouldn’t be surprised if the stadium just collapsed over the winter either.

            • 4got2duck says:

              Didn’t that happen a few years ago after they built the dump faux/ballpark they play in now? You must not be paying attention.

      • jim p says:

        There are many aces who never lost a game. Many.

  2. Got Heeeeeeem says:

    Fuck that. Embarrassing. Tigers scored more in that game than we did the whole series.

    Good luck Cardinals/Giants.

  3. Billy says:

    Pathetic showing on offense. Aside from today, the pitching was good enough to at least be tied in this series. Youth and contact hitters should be pursued this offseason…

    • Joe says:

      I said that last year that players like swisher’s who bat 240 and walk are useless in postseason. Guys who get HITS should be priority I don’t care what his obp is as long as he has a high average.

      • blee says:

        honestly.. this series is on tex and cano… it should have been those 2 carrying the team.. not a 37 year old arod..

        what happened to tex? he’s a career .280 batter.. who used to hit all over the field.. his first yr as a yank, .292 39HR 122RBI.. since then he’s become a pull happy .245 batter.. sad..

        • blee says:

          i can somewhat understand grandy and swish goin through slumps, cuz we’ve seen it in the past..

          but Tex becoming a one trick pony, and cano going on one of the most confusing droughts for the longest stretch in postseason history was really confusing.. and is what did us in..

          ONE guy could have gotten hot and carried us.. it could have been swish arod or grandy.. it should have been cano or tex.. but in the end.. it was none of the above..

        • DT says:

          Tex was getting on base a ton this postseason. He hit the ball well but just not for power. Cano is by far the worst offender because no matter how bad he was he was always in the middle of the line up and failed almost every time.

    • jjyank (Carsten Charles Cruisin') says:

      Youth Talent and contact hitters should be pursued this offseason…”

      Fixed that for you. Why do so many assume youth is better? It’s a nice idea, but young players can be bad too. I mean Ibanez, Jeter and Ichiro were the best hitters of the postseason, for fucks sake.

      Make the team better, if you can. I don’t give a shit if the guy is 22 or 32, as long as it makes the team actually better.

      • Billy says:

        Very rarely does the oldest team in the league win it all. We do need youth when the youngest player in the lineup this year was Cano (b/c Gardner injury)

        And I do think there is value in guys like Swisher and Granderson where guys who have pop, walk but strike out a ton. It just seemed our lineup was chock full of them i.e. Swisher, Granderson, Teix, A-Rod, and Martin.

        • jjyank (Carsten Charles Cruisin') says:

          I don’t disagree with what you just said. I’d like to see that offense more well-rounded too. I just think that it’s an annoying train of thought held by too many that “just getting younger” is the answer to that. If they can get good AND young, great. But prioritize talent, not age.

        • Laz says:

          But the best way to get that youth is by growing from the farm system. Really doesn’t accomplish much by keep trading for established players again and again. Granderson was youth a few seasons ago. Would rather see if they can grow a few of the bats, instead of dropping everything for Upton.

    • Mike HC says:

      Jeter, Ichiro, Cano, ARod and Tex were all guys we acquired who hit for average. Whether due to injury, or decline or whatever, the avg wasn’t there, but the intent to get guys who hit for average was there.

  4. McLovin says:

    This years been shit and with no hockey it just blows

  5. Got Heeeeeeem says:

    Embarrassing. Tigers scored more in that game than we did the whole series.

    Good luck Cardinals/Giants.

  6. Knoxvillain says:

    Shitty year, but it is what it is. Gotta root for the Tigers just because I love Leyland.

    And fuck the Cardinals. Season’s over anyway. I’ve never watched one World Series game in my entire life that the Yankees aren’t in, so I don’t really care anyway.

    Hopefully some major changes happen this offseason because the Yankees really need them if they want to compete in the near future.

    • Darren says:

      I know it hurts but if you love baseball you’re missing out. The ’91 World Series was by far the best World Series I’ve ever seen.

      • Mickey McMick says:

        I agree with that – the series is always cool – best when Yanks are in it – but always worth the watch.

      • The Big City of Dreams says:

        I.love baseball too much not to watch. I understand where he is coming from though.

      • Robinson Tilapia (I love the New York Yankees) says:

        I actually don’t watch a lot of non-Yankee games. I instantly just become interested in other things. I completely get what you’re saying, though.

        Making the ALCS is a “shitty” year. Unbelievable.

  7. Steve says:

    But who’s pitching Game 7?

  8. Joe says:

    How about trading for freese. Would the cardinals consider it? (Nova, montgamory, Sanchez)

    • DT says:

      They laugh and hang up.

    • Knoxvillain says:

      If the package is right I think so, but it would take more than what he’s worth. Freese isn’t a star player, but he’s a pretty good one.

      Probably a package of Williams, Sanchez, Nova, and Montgomery at the very least. They all have high up sides, but are too young and don’t have any real value just yet.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Freese isn’t young and he’s stayed healthy enough to play 100+ games in a season (majors and minors) once since 2008.

      • Joe says:

        That’s what you said about Beltran and we picked up swisher’s option instead of signing Beltran(one of the best clutch hitters of the last 10 years). How did that work out.

        • Laz says:

          Freese will be 30 next april. That is not really getting youth. Will just be dumping 3-4 good prospects for someone who probably will be on the decline soon enough.

  9. DT says:

    Good job by the tigers, but they got lucky that the Yankees decided to shit themselves. Unless the NL team also decided to shit themselves offensively, i think the Giants/Cardinals will beat them.

  10. Get Phelps Up says:

    Only 164 days until Opening Day 2013.

    • JustaLogin says:

      The team better be 40% different.

      • jjyank (Carsten Charles Cruisin') says:

        It better not be.

        • 4got2duck says:

          It better be. Jeter just broke his ankle & that’s not going to make him any quicker, or faster, or make him a better hitter. The entire lineup is one-dimensional, & the club was mediocre at best after the all-star break. CC could break down on any pitch as he’s overweight & has a lot of innings on that body. Yeah, this team is in need of a serious rebuild, & no, I’m not interested in either Upton brother.

          • jjyank says:

            Go look at the team’s offensive numbers for the regular season. Then tell me again why 40% of them shouldn’t be there. Maybe 1 major change, a couple minor ones? Sure. But turning over 40% of the roster that one the AL East, has the best record in the AL, and made it to the ALCS is bat shit crazy talk.

      • Get Phelps Up says:

        Resign Kuroda and Pettitte and get a good replacement for Swisher, they’ll be fine. No need for anything more than that IMO.

        • TomH says:

          Probably the course of wisdom. When I read most of these board suggestions for what needs to be done, it reminds me of Cashman’s response to that question, “Do you pay attention to fan suggestions?” To paraphrase: No, because if you pay attention to the fans, you’ll wind up sitting with them.

      • DC says:

        How does “different” improve anything?

      • Laz says:

        Yea because a team that led the AL in wins, and made it to the CS should be torn apart. There are a couple moves that should be done, but it should mostly be the same team.

    • Robinson Tilapia (I love the New York Yankees) says:

      I can’t wait.

  11. Ed in SF says:

    This is going to be one wild offseason

  12. JustaLogin says:

    CC’s an Ace!!!

  13. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Justin Upton or be mediocre while developing. I don’t mind either outcome but let’s not overspend in money or prospects again please.

    • Electric nunez says:

      Or get both uptons
      Hughes cano gardner should get it done.

      • jjyank (Carsten Charles Cruisin') says:

        I want Justin Upton, but that does NOT get it done. Why the hell would Arizona trade him for two guys who will be free agents in a year and an outfielder who is just a good defense/slap hitter type? (and I like Gardner, for the record)

        • Electric nunez says:

          Upton will be a FA then as well. Hughes would excell in nl west. 2 gardner gives you speed in the outfield and cano can be enough to get them in the playoffs that year. J up who demand big money in 2 years.

          • jjyank says:

            Upton is locked up until 2015.

            They get 1 year of Cano, 1 year of a pitcher with a homer problem and little track record (Hughes). Gardner is their long term piece for a guy like Upton? No fucking way. You want Upton, you are going to have to throw probably 2 of Williams/Sanchez/Austin/Banuelos(even with the TJS)/Gumbs, etc. in there.

            Here’s the motto everyone, repeat it with me…”Your trade proposal sucks.”

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      If we’re giving up the farm for someone, give me Chase Headley.

      • jjyank (Carsten Charles Cruisin') says:

        If they do get the Marlin’s to take on enough of A-Rod’s contract to justify a trade, he’s pretty much the best case scenario, no?

        • Get Phelps Up says:

          Easily, but I’d rather just move ARod to full time DH if we get Headley. Maybe he could replace Swisher in RF, but he hasn’t played in the outfield since 09 so I’m not so sure how that would go.

          • DT says:

            Arod hit pretty well at DH this year no? It could keep him fresh and prevent him from breaking down.

            • Get Phelps Up says:

              His wRC+ was 15 points higher as DH, but I think a lot of that is because he seemed to DH more often against LHP.

          • jjyank says:

            Sounds good to me, but do you think the Yanks would roll with a full time DH? I guess they could bench A-Rod if they wanted to give Jeter or someone one of those half-rests. They’ve seemed reluctant to do that though.

            Regardless, my offseason/Christmas wish list is one of either Justin Upton or Chase Headley.

            • Get Phelps Up says:

              I think that’s what they’d do. Or they could maybe have him play RF when they have Jeter DH with Arod at 3rd. Either way, if you can get Headley you worry about this later.

              • jjyank says:

                True. Get the best player you can, and work it out. Hell, Headley couldn’t be worse than Ibanez or Jones out there if he only had to play once a week, right?

  14. The “sweep!” chants legitimately made me humiliated to be a fan of this team.

    They (and we) deserve it. Truly abominable performance all postseason long. It’s a miracle they played nine games.

    • Peter North says:

      Me too, but luckily I watched alone. I didn’t even have to face my Red Sox-fan-who-grew-up-outside-Detroit wife (not making that up) since she was out.

    • Robinson Tilapia (I love the New York Yankees) says:

      You take the good with the bad. They swept. They can chant “sweep.” They earned it.

      Completely disagree as to the team’s performance. I am very proud of them pulling through in the ALDS. The bottom fell out in the ALCS, and it was damn hard to watch.

  15. DERP says:

    Very good season with a poor finish.

    Great job as usual with the blog this season.

  16. Karl Krawfid says:

    My last year of following the Yankees every game.

    Lets hope they get away from trading young players for average veteran players.

  17. I hope Miggy doesn’t get too wasted tonight.

    • Gonzo says:

      He could drive through a school drunk and he would still start game 1.

      • blee says:

        that drunk driving incident was an asshole move.. but since then he’s grown up and matured.. from all Ive heard, he’s a great clubhouse guy, great teammate… and obviously the best hitter in baseball..

  18. Electric nunez says:

    Call Dodgers take the Crawford contract in exchange for Arods.

    • jjyank (Carsten Charles Cruisin') says:


      Why would the Yankees do that??

      • Electric nunez says:

        Good outfielder who hits for average and has lh power and speed.

        • DT says:

          He hasn’t done any thing but he injured for the past two years. Arod will give you more value for the same bad contract.

          • Gonzo says:

            I’d take Crawford’s WAR over A-Rod’s WAR over the life of their contracts.

            • DT says:

              I’ll actually bet ARod out WARs Carl Crawford for the remainder of the contract…or it’ll be close. Lets not forget Arod was on pace for another 3-4 WAR season before injuries.

              • Gonzo says:

                Of course, but injuries matter. Also, I’m not sure the 40+ year old A-Rod will rack up much WAR.

                I do think a mid 30′s Carl Crawford can outwar a 40′s A-Rod. Especially if A-Rod is stuck in a DH role. That will make up for any lost WAR early in those years. IMO.

                • DT says:

                  I’m just wary of Carl Crawford. He hasn’t shown to stay healthy and his arm problems might affect his swing for the rest of his career. Also his hitting was pretty bad with the Sox before the injuries. Their contract are practically the same, so it’s not as if we get much salary relief.

      • blee says:

        why would the dodgers? lol..

        Howabout Mauer?.. they seem to be getting tired of each other, and they cant afford him.. we eat most of arod’s salary.. they get arod for $5 mil a yr.. and we take on all of mauer’s salary… no?

      • Neil says:

        Why would the Dodgers do that?

    • Gonzo says:

      Absolutely crazy and not going to happen, but would you do A-Rod + Gardner for Carl Crawford? Just a pure hypothetical.

      No money exchanges hands. They get to move Kemp off CF to preserve him.

  19. ClayDavis says:

    Still think if they make the right call and Cano is safe. Different outcome

    • Knoxvillain says:

      Drop this. Yankees weren’t scoring any runs at all. It doesn’t matter either way. I could have shut the Yankees out this postseason. All they had to do was keep the ball in the park and this team was done.

  20. Jobamania says:

    hopefully team gets a really big overhaul
    1. see if they can get anyone to bit on arod, swallow as much cash as they want to(does he still count against our payroll?)
    2. trade granderson if you can get anything good(keep it on the down low)
    3. let swisher walk get compensation
    4. see if soriano walks get compensation
    5. bring back ichiro, sign torii hunter
    6. test the waters on cano for some blockbuster bluechips(may sound asinine but don’t we have decent possible above average 2B in the minors ready for call up)
    7. resign martin for cheap
    8. trade hughes to NL team? maybe package deal

    This is gonna sound like complete overreaction but if you are doing so much to get rid of arod, do it all

    • Jonathan says:

      So you’re so upset about your team losing in the ALCS and your plan is to make sure they don’t make the playoffs for 5 years? That lineup leaves you with 1 and maybe 2 guys that will hit 20+ home runs. If you’re going to completely gut the team why would you waste money on short term options like hunter/ichiro? do you even think what the team will look like before you talk about this? You think they had trouble scoring runs this year???

    • Bo Knows says:

      So the lineup would be

      Hunter (really?)
      ? (if Cano is moved)

      that lineup would guarantee a 100+ loss season and it would not be particularly close

  21. forensic says:

    At least the Yankees were able to get a good flight back to NY yesterday. They’ve been away from their families for 6-7 months, so at least they didn’t have to stay away any longer than necessary.

  22. stuart a says:

    swisher got an rbi today. man he is clutch…

    this team is bad, plain and simple.

    BARISP issues all season..

    Old, slow, and homer happy….

    • blee says:

      entire team was homer happy… i love Kevin Long.. but that seems to be a teamwide philosophy that cannot translate to postseason success..

      I thought he helped Granderson raise his avg.. but this year every hitter seemed to swing for the fences..

      • Steve says:

        It’s strange. Prior to the postseason everybody here, but one person specifically, would have sanctimoniously shouted down that first sentence.

    • Sweet Dick Willie says:

      If the Yanks are bad, what’s that make the Mets?

      This “bad” team, although they shit the bed in the ALCS, finished with the best record in the league. In what universe is that bad?

  23. Joey t says:

    Fire giardi his and throw his binder in the east river

  24. CUYanks says:

    Great year. ALCS appearance and Division Title are legit accomplishments. Hopefully, Yankees can go even further next year.

    Phil Coke really didn’t win me over with that celebration, though, that’s for sure.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      And we got game 3 of the ALDS. I’ll never forget that one. Among many other things too.

      • CUYanks says:

        Absolutely. With the new playoff format, I think we need to appreciate the accomplishment of making it to the ALCS a bit more.

    • Pat D says:

      What did Cokie do?

      • Threw his glove down immediately and went batshit crazy, like something straight out of WWE.

        Given he was on the 2009 Yankees, I really would’ve expected better from him.

        • blee says:

          cmon.. theyre goin to the WS.. let him enjoy it.. no need to get huffy over that.. we used to see Joba do it in the 8th all the time..

          • You clearly missed how I was implying Coke should have a “been there, done that” way of doing things.

            He knows the American League championship is not the highest title in baseball. Act that way. Set the tone for a team where most players have not gotten that far. Lead by example.

            I mean, I’m full of shit, but still. Save the biggest celebration for the biggest win – the World Series clincher.

        • Pat D says:

          Everyone acts like a dick when they win.

          But as someone who was actually on a WS winning team, he should know that he’s got one more round to win. Chump.

  25. Joey T says:

    Fire binder joe and throw his binder in the east river along with the stupid plan to get under the luxury tax, what would George say if he knew his sons were planning on sacrificing performance for a few millions

  26. jjyank (Carsten Charles Cruisin') says:

    Since nobody else is saying it, I will.

    I’m still damn proud of this team. They had a lot of hurdles to overcome, starting as early as spring training. The fought, battled, and managed to come out with the AL East crown, and the best record in the AL. And they made it to the ALCS, which is something only 3 other teams in all of baseball can say.

    This “World Series or bust” mentality is kind of fun, in that it’s very existence means that the Yankees have been very good for a long time now. But I think many of the people here lose sight on just how unrealistic it is. This was a brutal ALCS to watch, but don’t let 4 games (or 9, if you want to count the ALDS too) ruin the last 6-7 months. This was a great team, and I am confident that they will be great again in 2013.

    • DT says:

      This. And blowing up the Team is not the way to stay great and have a chance year in and year out. Add piece and cut the fat, but don’t go all Red Sox and implode the team.

      • Winter says:

        Exactly. I’m fine with letting Swish or Grandy go, one needs to leave to stay under $189 mil. And if you have to trade A-Rod, fine. But gutting the team is something you do when you’re under .500, not when you have the best record in the league.

        • jjyank (Carsten Charles Cruisin') says:

          Agreed. I am okay with letting Swish walk, and/or picking up Grandy’s option and seeing his trade value. I am also okay with dealing A-Rod if you can get Loria wasted enough to take on too much money. Though, not all three of those at the same time.

          I’m hoping this whole “ZOMG BLOW UP TEH ENTIRE ROSTER” bullshit is just an emotional reaction right after the game. I really hope so.

        • DT says:

          You have to keep one of swisher or Grandy. You can’t have to try and replace 2/3 of the outfield. That’s not the way to go. Between Swisher and Grandy we’re going to lose almost 7 fWAR of value if we let both walk.

        • blee says:

          you’re right.. Yanks had a good season.. and saying ‘blow up the team’ is a bad reaction..

          but the way we lost this series exposed some serious issues in this team, and as fans, we come to RAB to complain about that.. and to see how we can improve this RISP numbers.. and plz.. stop going Homer happy cuz of the left field

      • Get Phelps Up says:

        I think like, 90% of the people who want to blow up the team are the same kind of people who wouldn’t be able to sit through ~3 seasons of rebuilding and 70 win teams.

        • CUYanks says:

          Exactly. The same people who can’t sit through the ups and downs of even 1 baseball game, where their team isn’t leading from start to finish.

    • Jobamania says:

      its not really a world series or bust kind of thing for me. Im fine with not going to the world series, but the betterment of the team in the future its necessary to make changes now and maybe not even reach alcs next year

      • jjyank (Carsten Charles Cruisin') says:

        That’s fine. But I’d rather take my chances with say, 1 major move, and a few tweaks, and try again next year. Full rebuild modes can be very painful, and don’t always work out.

    • Laz says:

      Exactly, You don’t win the WS every year, and you shouldn’t expect to. So many teams would have been happy to reach the CS.

    • Robinson Tilapia (I love the New York Yankees) says:

      What every Yankee fan should be saying right now.

  27. BigBlueAL says:

    Its going to be a very interesting off-season to say the least. Dunno what they can/will do but unlike some I do have faith in Cashman and what decisions he will make.

  28. Get Phelps Up says:

    I will say, one good thing about this is getting to watch Verlander start the world series on the road because of his performance in the All Star game.

  29. Pat D says:

    I couldn’t be more happy that this season is now over. It’s been pretty joyless since right after the ASB.

    Obviously I wanted them to win but they sucked and that’s that.

    So this joins the ’22, ’63 and ’76 World Series, and the ’80 ALCS as the only times they’ve been swept in the postseason. The good news about that? In every subsequent year they got to the World Series, going 2-2 in doing so.

    Now let the offseason ARod circus begin. Caaaaaaaaaan’t wait.

  30. CUYanks says:

    One thing I don’t get is the Mike Illitch worship. He essentially mortgaged the future, knowing he won’t be around much longer. Even in the best window (this year), the team barely made the playoffs. A WS win might make it worth it, but that Prince Fielder contract is going to hurt.

    Also, introducing Delmon Young as a “class act” just reinforces the hollowness of the words said at these presentations.

    • Pat D says:

      Wait, someone called Delmon Young a “class act?”

      Illitch was an absolute villain in Detroit about a decade ago. Then his team started to win. Funny how winning changes everything.

    • Tom says:

      Did they really say that?

      I turned it off prior to that. I have pretty low expectations for TV broadcasts, but TBS was shockingly bad. Smoltz was an abomination.

      But when a team nominates a guy like Miguel Cabrera for the Roberto Clemente Award (for on and off the field performance), not much surprises me – people can’t seem to distinguish on field performance from off field performance these days.

      • Pat D says:

        They nominated him for the Clemente Award? Jeez, I hope the people who decide that award get a good, hearty laugh out of it.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

      I actually think their “best window” will be next year. Smyly will probably be in the rotation w/ Verlander, Scherzer, Fister, and Sanchez, and V-Mart will be healthy. I would be quite afraid of a 3-4-5 of V-Mart, Cabrera, and Fielder…along with A-Jax if he can repeat this year.

    • Laz says:

      I actually don’t think the fielder contract is that compared to pujols’. They have turned into very similiar production hitters, and the tigers got away signing a player that is 4 years younger and for 1 less year.

      Fielder is still only 28, So while Arod and Pujols are signed till they are 42, Fielder is only signed until he is 37.

  31. Electric nunez says:

    Nfl network
    I love football song is the worst piece of shit i have ever heard.
    C low needs to be canned.

    • Pat D says:

      The Faith Hill song on NBC is almost as terrible. I don’t understand why these two networks felt they needed a theme song just because Monday Night Football always had one.

  32. Nathan says:

    Unsuccessful season. Let the off-season drama begin.

  33. GT Yankee says:

    Just watching the MVP Presentation. Guy pointed out that Delmon Young (winner) had more RBI’s than the entire Yankees team. Jackie Autry introduced him as a “Class Act”. Guess she missed his arrest early this year and this:


    I live off of Gene Autry Blvd. in Cali. Think I will go to his tribute statue and tell him what a buffoon his wife is like a crazy man!

  34. RC aka oldmanalex says:

    Hey guys, thanks for the past few weeks. I just moved to chicago from NY for school and didn’t really have much friends cause school and baseball occupied my time. Thanks for keeping me entertained and I actually learned a lot more about the game itself. See ya in 2013.

    • Robinson Tilapia (I love the New York Yankees) says:

      Uhhhh…..the site doesn’t shut down now. Stick around.

      Eddard, the site shuts down at midnight tonight.

  35. gnatie says:

    For everyone claiming it’s time to fire Girardi:
    Girardi’s record in his first five years as manager: 479 wins, 331 losses
    Torre’s record in his first five years as manager: 487 wins, 322 losses

    Of course, those five years of Torre’s include the three WS wins in a row. After that, in his last three years his teams lost the ALDS three times in a row, twice to Detroit.

    In five years Girardi’s teams have missed the playoffs once, won a WS, and been knocked out of the playoffs two years in a row by Detroit.

    The team absolutely sucked this post season, but they had a good year and it would be a gross overreaction to fire someone who, until this past week, has been a pretty successful manager for the team.

    • Effthisnoise says:

      Get what your saying, but if players are judged by what they do in the postbseason, then so is the manager. He made stupid moves all season, they just compounded in the playoffs because its a small sample that means more. Just likevthe rispf and slumps the playere went through all season, it was huge in the playoffs.

    • Mike HC says:

      Exactly. Best record in the AL and an ALCS appearance does not call for clearing house or firing the manager or whatever.

  36. Mike HC says:

    Season might be over but RAB is just heating up with what should be an entertaining hot stove season. Looking forward to the conversation and what ifs!

  37. Frank says:

    Should be a very interesting off season for Yanks.

    BTW- Cards win it all.

  38. Bo Knows says:

    I can’t get mad at the Tigers, outside of the Verlander game (and that crap zone) the Yankees offense did absolutely nothing to show that they deserved to compete for a WS. The Tigers deserved the win, Yanks sure as heck deserved to get bounced (at least as far as the offense is concerned).

    For me though, this is far from the end of the world….one a more personal note, for those of you who might remember, last week I mentioned in one of the game threads that my grandmother suffered a serious stroke and is currently in the hospital fighting for her life. Today for the first time, she opened her eyes and was completely alert. We all love sports and sometimes like to think its the be all end all, but in the grand scheme this loss is meaningless, our favorite team will come back next year and they will compete again, it was frustrating to lose like they did, but it happens.

    • jjyank says:

      And you are absolutely right. This is exactly why all the “get this clown off my team, he smiles TOO MUCH!” stuff annoyed the hell out of me. It’s a game. They get paid millions of dollars to play a game, and pretty much all have hot wives. Let them smile.

      As big of fans as we are, we need to remember that it’s a game. There are plenty of things outside of the game to find happiness in.

      And, Bo Knows, I hope all is well with your grandmother and the rest of your family.

      • Bo Knows says:

        It’s much better now that my she has come to….To say we are happy would be a gross understatement, because for roughly 3 days she had zero cognitive brain activity, so to see her able to smile at us is a flippin amazing.

        Thanks jjyank, and I hope you remembered to call your Grandma haha

        • jjyank says:

          I did call her. She’s awesome to talk to, may even be a bigger Yankee fan than me. It’s funny, I think she was talking about A-Rod at one point, and I let slip “wRC+ among other third basemen”, and there was about a 10 second long silence on the other end. Ah, well, I guess I shouldn’t expect a 92 year old woman to know anything about sabermetrics. I’ve been spending too much time here :D

          Glad to hear your grandma is doing better. It’s a terrible, cruel disease. Unfortunately there really is no elegant way out of it either. Cherish the moments (like this one) that you have.

          • Bo Knows says:

            Amen to that brother, I’ll tell you when I walked in and saw her wide awake, I could not stop smiling; the muscle in my face were starting to ache; but what got me was that she still wanted to know how we were :)

    • Robinson Tilapia (I love the New York Yankees) says:

      God bless you and your family, Bo. She’ll be in my prayers tonight.

  39. paul a says:


  40. Mick taylor says:

    The difference between the tigers and yanks is in the last 2 years the tigers have added fister , Martinez, fielder, Sanchez,Valverde, Benoit young while the only impact players the Yankees have added are soriano and kuroda. It used to be every year the yanks would a great hitter . They haven’t done that in years

    • CUYanks says:

      And yet the Yankees won 8 more games than the Tigers this regular season.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      Valverde and Benoit are impact players…for the opposing team.

    • Bo Knows says:

      Detroit is going to hate the Martinez and Fielder Contracts within 4 years. Valverde is more lucky than good, and Detroit is going to be in terrible financial constraints with all the money they have already shelled out and will need to do as Verlander and Cabrera approach FA. They’ll be in the exact same state we complain the Yankees of being in.

  41. JonS says:

    Man, hearing Girardi start to cry about his father was sad. Puts the game into perspective. Just a game.

  42. LARRY smalentine says:

    if arod is traded does it count towards the payroll???

    • Pat D says:

      Whatever part of it they pick up, yes.

    • DC says:

      Depends how much of his contract the Yankees would eat.

      • Tom says:

        I wonder how they do the AAV on that though. Do they average the prorated part the Yankees would be paying going forward with the already completed contract years?

        After next year I think ARod’s hit on the payroll tax threshold is actually bigger than what they are actually paying him.

        I wonder if this would be a way to game the luxury tax calculation a bit? (It also could work the other way)

        Does anyone know how Burnett impacted the calculation this year (a potentially similar situation)

  43. As I am someone who falls almost completely out of the loop in the off-season (with the sole exception of 2008-09), I’m not sure I’ll be commenting much around here after these next few days pass.

    Oh well. I was hoping I had two more weeks in me, but it was not in the cards.

  44. boca says:

    Imagine if George was alive… he would have flipped. Girardi, Arod and Cashman would be looking for a new job before Fielder caught that last pop… Damm, I miss the boss!

  45. Gonzalo Hiram says:

    It was a very good season.

    I know we played garbage during the ALCS and there are a lot of things to clean and fix but we know we won’t win the world series every year.

    We lost Pineda just a few weeks after trading for him, Rivera the greatest closer ever in MLB out for the season, CC went out 2 or 3 times, ARod missed a lot of games, we missed the spark in the lineup and best defensive outfielder Gardner and at the end we lost Jeter for the playoffs.
    With all that and more we managed to make it until here, Braves, Red Sox, Dodgers, Angels, Rays,etc, etc, etc would have loved to play a playoffs series.

    See u next year
    PS. Let’s get rid of Swisher and ARod

  46. CUYanks says:

    So who are we rooting for to win the WS, guys?

  47. Joe F says:

    Good season overall guys. Hope to be around during the off-season.

    Cowboys and Knicks season begins tonight.

  48. goterpsgo says:

    Yeah they won 95 games, but it was probably the most gut-wrenching season in a while. It seemed they clawed for every win, and in the end got knocked off by DET that was pathetic for most of the year, and then caught fire. Again. Now I hate them more than LAA.

    Now I hope Eli and Justin can put a major hurting on little Bobby this weekend. *sigh*

  49. CUYanks says:

    If we get Cards-Tigers we can have a matchup of the 2 sub-90-win teams to make the playoffs!

  50. Get Phelps Up says:

    I just want to take this moment to thank (most) of you fellow RABers for another great and fun year and I look forward to continuing into the offseason and next year.

    • jjyank says:

      And I would like to echo that sentiment. This was my first full season as a regular commenter, though I lurked plenty in the past. Thanks to all those who made the season more enjoyable than it would have been without RAB.

      And of course, big ups to Mike, Joe, and Ben. Best Yankee blog out there.

    • Robinson Tilapia (I love the New York Yankees) says:

      *raises glass*

  51. RetroRob says:

    Well that was quick and painless.

    Okay, scratch the latter. It was painful. The total lack of offense emotionally eliminated the normal hope fans have that the Yankees can score runs. Up until the final game, I would have killed for game after game of solid staring pitching in the postseason. The offense, outside of a blast by Ichiro and Ibanez in game one, was just a total no-show.

    If nothing else, it’ll make for an interesting offseason as fans and the Yankees themselves go about trying to fix their 95-win team that made it to the final four.

  52. Rich in NJ says:

    My expectations for the series weren’t high, so I am not overly disappointed.

    Going forward, I can only hope that this team returns to the way they were run in the mid 90s, instead of a continuation of the win-now counterproductive mismanagement.

    And btw, KEEP A-ROD!

  53. Darren says:

    Normally I hat ethe WS or bust mentatlity and I can’t fault the Yankees for losing in a short playoff series. But they were SO bad and hard to watch, the FAILURE was SO hard to take that I just don’t feel anything good about them.

    I’m SO sick of seeing Swisher’s mug with this chewing tobacco and dumb look at the skies befor every pitch.
    SO sick of Grandy always being all calm and flailing around the outfield like a virgin at FlashDancers.

    So sick of Purple Lips bouncing out.

    So sick of CC making a big doody on the mound.

    SO sick of Girardi’e neck veins.

    Worst of all Cano. Great job…for me to poop on.

    Good night Gracie,

    • DT says:

      CC pitched us into the ALCS, he had a bat game where his defense made him double his pitch count in 3 innings. CC is the least of our problems.

      • Darren says:

        I know, but still. I would have rather lost 2-1 and just kept the narrative clean and easy: OUR BATS SUCKED. Instead, he had to muck it up again.

  54. toad says:

    No bridge-jumping, please. The Yankees won 95 games in the regular season and had winning or tying records against every team except CIN (1-2), CWS (2-5), and TBR (8-10).

    They went into a terrible offensive slump in the post-season and still managed to beat Baltimore. The first thing they need to do, IMO, is figure out why that slump happened. This was no ordinary blip down. They hit .157 against Detroit. How bad is that? In the 1963 WS they hit .171. That included two games against Koufax – Verlander is not yet Koufax* – and eleven hitless AB’s by the pitchers. Against Baltimore it was .211, but fortunatley the O’s only hit .187.

    Before doing anything, admit that there’s a problem here and try to understand it. Otherwise all the moves in the world won’t help. Too many of the suggestions being made, at least here are of the nature of:

    1. Something must be done.
    2. This is something.
    3. Therefore this must be done.

    *In 1963 Koufax threw 311 innings and went 25-5 with a 1.88 ERA. He threw 20 complete games, including 11 shutouts.

  55. Electric nunez says:

    Call Marlins take Jose reyes and heath bell contracts
    Move jeter to 3rd trade robertson or joba for an outfielder.

    • Darren says:

      I think with the Jeter injury it’s a perfect excuse to move him to third. And who cares if he doesn’t “profile” as a third baseman, Cano hits way more dingers than you average second baseman, so it evens out.

      • Winter says:

        If this trade happens (which it never will), I’d move Cano to third and Jeter to second. Better use of Cano’s arm and might help him age better.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

          You’d also have the benefit of Tex covering an absurd amount of area for a 1st baseman to cover up Jeter’s lack of range to his glove side.

  56. vicki says:

    i love the game, i love my team, and i love the hotstove.

    see y’all around the fire.

    • RetroRob says:

      Ahh, you’ve hit the tequila early. Good move. Tonight is a night for bitching, something I understand, even if I won’t be much of a participant.

      Yet I fully 100% approve what you said!

  57. Yankee fans are retarded says:

    I’m just reading the comments and I’m just saying to myself, why take it so personally?
    Do you guys always despise the teams that beat you in the playoffs?
    How about wishing the Tigers the best instead of wishing them no luck in the WS and wishing the Cards/Giants to beat them.
    Looking at how bad the Yanks were in the playoff, almost any team could have beaten them.
    Just a joke, and nothing but a joke. So sad.

  58. Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

    New Season, new handle. Any ideas guys?

    • RetroRob says:

      Meaning just one for the offseason?

      If it’s one you plan to carry through the 2013 season, then I’d wait for whatever interesting moves occur. Hmmm, maybe Trevor Plouffe will be a Yankee!

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

        If he does I swear The Plouffenator will be back in full force. I’ll probably carry RIAKATMRAKATY till Ibanez is not longer a Yankee though.

        • That Raul Ibanez’s five insane clutch HR’s from Sept. 22 onward will be lost in the detritus of the Yankees offensive implosion of the playoffs is probably the biggest shame of all.

          Man did he ever save his best for last this year.

        • RetroRob says:

          It will be interesting to see what happens with Ibanez. His OPS+ will suggest a slightly better than average hitter, although if limited to just his job of DHing against righties, he was even better than than that.

          Yet his real value was in his wPA. The number of big hits he had, capped off by that great stretch in September into the first part of the playoffs means he delivered an incredible amount of real value. Yet it’s something that’s really repeatable, anymore than Melky’s big hits in 2009 would have happened again in 2010. So he was just an incredible bargain on the part of the Yankees, much better than OPS+ or WAR will ever show, but they need to value him properly for 2013.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      I think I need a new one too.

    • Bo Knows says:

      Jeter’s Bionic Ankle

    • jjyank says:



      The Plouffe

      All Things Plouffe

      My Dream Plouffe

      Plouffe Me In The Face

      Plouffe 182


      This Might Sound Crazy…But Call Me Plouffy?

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

        I take back what I said earlier about definitely going back to Plouffenator…if Plouffe becomes a Yankee ever during his career It will either be Plouffe 182 or This Might Sound Crazy…But Plouffe Me Maybe?

        • jjyank says:

          Either one would be gold.

          But if you want to make something based on a player, I would just stick with what you got and see how the offseason plays out. At the very least, keeping the handle around another month or two would serve as a memorial for Ibanez’s best efforts to save the season.

        • Jim Is Bored says:

          You have to go with the second one. Amazing.

        • Robinson Tilapia (I love the New York Yankees) says:

          Just be Plouffy, dude.

          I’m going to assume I’ve gotten too far with with this screenname to turn back now, right?

    • Pat D says:

      Ha! This is what you get for trying to be clever and trendy with your handle name.

      In other news, come December I will change my handle name to Pat Django (The D Is Silent).

      Oh, shit, I already used that joke.

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

        I love it. When is that movie supposed to come out anyway?

        • Pat D says:

          I think Christmas Day.

          Because nothing screams Christmas like a Tarantino-directed Spaghetti-Western takeoff revenge story set in the Antebellum South.

    • Rocky Road Redemption says:

      All I know is, I don’t care where Swish goes-Rocky Road Redemption STAYS. 1) I love the handle, but 2), and more importantly, Swish is one of my favorite players. He’s always going to be that one player for me that I’ll like and root for even when he does badly, because I want him to succeed-absolutely a fan favorite.

      People are gonna love him at Old Timer’s Day.

  59. Wheels says:

    We need a new trainer?

  60. Electric nunez says:

    God does alex smith suck as a QB.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

      Yeah…I’ve been watching the Giants for years, always been a big fan, but he made The Giants(!!!) Secondary look good on Sunday!!

      • Pat D says:

        Well the Giants’ secondary isn’t supposed to suck. They just seem to mess up schemes and have at least one major guy hurt all the time.

  61. Darren says:

    GAH!!!! Is there anythign worse than the following e-mail I just got from StubHub?

    EVENT CANCELLED – New York Yankees Postseason – 10/20/2012

    New York Yankees Postseason at Yankee Stadium
    Sat, 10/20/2012, 8:07 PM (EDT)

    Your refund will appear on your statement as a credit from StubHub Tickets. Please allow 10 days for us to process your refund.

  62. Lew says:

    Yes the Tigers played great, had great pitching. We should not underestimate that part of things. But really – I’ve never seen any team this flat before. My theory:

    - they all got tired, really tired. Somehow. Burnt out. I have no idea why, since it wasn’t just the old guys. But maybe there was something in the water – maybe in Baltimore -that affected everyone? (Joke, but SOMETHING happened.)
    - maybe this is the final chapter of the home run derby – they all became strikeout kings, and the more they pressed for HRs, the more they struck out. There is a potential HR disease associated with playing for the Yanks and this team has it bad…

  63. Darren says:

    Is it possible the entire team WAS DRUGGED? Like in the movies?

    • Winter says:

      I said this in another thread, but my explanation was that they all had their talent stolen by aliens who need it to play the Looney Tunes in a game of baseball.

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

        Keith? is That you? Seriously, right after you said this here a guy I graduated with posted that the Monstars had stolen all the Yankees talent on Facebook.

    • Robinson Tilapia (I love the New York Yankees) says:

      Someone get Big Member on this and NOW.

  64. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    Unfortunately the bad taste of this sad last series will overshadow what was really a great season by the boys.

    Let’s not forget, we DID beat our closest rivals of the season in the first round of the playoffs, DID win 95 games, and DID have the best record in the American League-and all with a ridiculous number of injuries. The bats all went horribly cold at the same time but sometimes them’s the breaks-oh well.

    We really did a Hell of a job as a ball club this year, and I’m proud of our guys. Can’t win every year.

  65. your mom says:

    I’m glad I didn’t waste much time following the ALCS. I just knew we’d fuck it all up after the game 2 loss. I’ll be quite disappointed if there aren’t any big moves this off season. Good luck to the Cards/Giants.

  66. jramey says:

    For all of you gunning for Girardi, you are ridiculous. It’s not possible to win baseball games with the lineup he had to trot out there. The man lost his father and still had the balls to take out non-producing star players and focus on his job. I hope he has time to heal since baseball is said and done. Life is more important than the game.

  67. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    I thought Joe managed a great playoffs. He really managed to push almost all of the right buttons. In the end, though, if the players aren’t executing the players aren’t executing.

    As Jim Fassel once said to reporters after he was informed that the referees admitted blew a call that would have won the Giants a playoff game against the 49ers-”Bummer”.


  68. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    Man, I hope we keep A-Rod.

  69. AnthonyD says:

    Those complaining that the Yankees were / are too HR dependent – they were 8th in MLB in Avg and 2nd in OBP. Obviously they had the highest slugging. They were in the bottom 3rd in ks. You can’t build a team to “hit well in the post season”. Guess what? Delmon Young sucks. Delmon Young is a lot worse than Nick Swisher. Delmon Young has performed better in the post season than Nick Swisher. What can you do? It has nothing to do with grittiness, heart, being self absorbed, battling, guts or any ridiculous words folks on blogs or FAN callers come up with. The Yankees offense was fine this year. They hit good and bad pitching and there is no reason to re-make this team. Not youth for youth sake. Not dirt dogs. Upgrades? Fine. Some look to the future if in the interest of improvement? Fine. Otherwise think before reacting.

  70. Eddard says:

    Winning 95 games doesn’t mean anything if you don’t win the WS. I’d rather win 88 like Detroit and be in the WS. Here’s what needs to change-

    Kevin Long should be fired. The offense made no adjustments all postseason. If it weren’t for Larry Rotschild’s pitchers this team would have been ousted in the first round.

    ARod should be traded to whomever will take him. Don’t really need to elaborate on this. F.O. and Girardi want him gone.

    Nick Swisher should not be re-signed. He is asking for a multi year deal that will cost too much. This guy has failed postseason after postseason. After so long you can no longer write it off as a small sample.

    F.O. should pursue trading options for Curtis Granderson. He should not be re-signed next season. He is an aging centerfielder who is too one dimensional. He also doesn’t hit in the postseason.

    Nunez should be given a bigger role. You saw what he can do these past 2 games. Nunie was our only offense for crying out loud.

    Ichiro should be re-signed. The guy was our most consistent hitter in the postseason. He can play RF without doing flips and somersaults.

    Brett Gardner should be the starting centerfielder once Granderson is given the boot.

    The team has to get faster and sign more contact hitters. Boom or bust doesn’t work in the playoffs.

    Pitching is really good. Re-sign Kuroda. Beg Andy to return. Beg Mariano to return. If Soriano opts out the pen is still strong. Not much is needed with the pitching other than a tweak here or there.

  71. jayd808 says:

    I enjoyed your posts jjyank.

    I wonder if Kevin Long can transform Grandy from a 40+ HR guy to a 25 HR guy and put 60pts back on his BA. I’d like to see him get 50+ SB next year. Awesome matchup with gardner & ichiro.

    So nice to see Swish and his goofball face on the way out. I aways thought Nunez would make a good 4th outfielder.

    Need some interesting new faces. Lucked out with the old veterans this year but hope we don’t try that again.

    • jjyank says:

      Well, thank you.

      As for Grandy, who knows? Long altered Grandy’s mechanics, and he was an MVP candidate, and then he fell off a bit. Was it too much influence from Long? Was it Grandy taking the home run swing to heart too much? Was it just an off year (relatively speaking)? Is it an age related decline? Was it just a slump?

      I have no idea. Granderson’s status as a Yankee will be another interesting storyline this offseason, though.

  72. your mom says:

    Wow, just saw the Coke slam. What a douche!

  73. Big "Nostradanus" Member says:

    i know that someone suggested trading arod to the dodgers. i think a arod,nova,martin, joba + granderson for matt kemp and kershaw would work well for both teams. first, arod and kemp are great players but both shares the problem of being club house chemistry spillers. they are owed alot of money too. i am really really disappointed by nova, he is surely not the 18 game winner he was last year. joba will enjoy a reunin with joe torre. martin knows nova and joba and i think we won’t mind going back to la. kershaw is very similar to nova and they both need scenery change.

  74. Joe says:

    I’m so sick of this WAR stat when deciding to keep a player shove your WAR stat up your ass and watch baseball and see how no one performed during the playoffs. So sick of these stupid stats to measure a player getting runs wins Baseball games only way you win.

    • Joe says:

      And don’t say it’s the best way to measure a player in response because the Yankees won a lot without that stupid stat in years past

      • AnthonyD says:

        I will humor this. Not necessarily in a specific order. One might argue that preventing runs also contributes to winning baseball games. Their pitching performed, their hitting was innept in the post season. Even using conventional statistics (e.g. runs scored), the Yankees would have been well regarded. So by old and new measures they were a good team (I believe they actually outperformed their WAR win level), they simply didn’t hit in the post season. I assume you are speaking about ARod or Swish w regards to keeping a player with a solid WAR that you think sucks. They obviously perform well in other categories other than WAR (obviously because WAR is a comprehensive stat).

    • jjyank says:

      Yes, why used advanced statistics when he have inferior ones?

      WAR is not the be all, end all. We all agree on that. But don’t dismiss it because you prefer wins and RBIs. Also, you are aware that WAR (for position players) involves scoring runs, and way in which to score them, right?

      • Big "Nostradanus" Member says:

        what? war? does this war get mentioned by espn or mlb network? is it on any baseball cards? NO. do you hear peope talk about miguel cabrera for winning the triple crown with 130 rbi or a 130 war? dont compare some stat nerds made to real stats like wins and rbis that experts actually look at.

        • jjyank says:

          I know who I’m replying to, so I won’t get in depth here.

          Basically, I just want to say the “experts” are mostly behind the times. Can I get some more David Cone, please?

          • Big Member says:

            okay so I looked at this “war”. and let me tell you its the stupidest stat i ever saw.

            Jason Heyward: 6.6 war. .27 HR, 82 RBI
            Curtis Granderson: 2.6 WAR. 43 HR, 106 RBI

            So Heyward was worth 3 TIMES as much as Granderson? Haha made my night

          • Jim Is Bored says:

            My new baseball season resolution is going to be to stop feeding the trolls, the idiots, and the people who repeat the same stuff over and over.

            That should cover most of my bases.

            • jjyank says:

              Yeah, but I always thought Big Member was fun. He’s proving me wrong, and fast, however.

              • Rocky Road Redemption says:

                How? You can’t take him seriously, it’s pretty clear from the past that he’s a parody of trolls.

                Remember, he’s frustrated about the loss too, so being a parody of a troll combined with actual frustration probably will tend to make him sound more annoying than he generally is.

                • jjyank says:

                  Fair enough. I just always assumed he was another poster having fun under that handle. But not I’m starting to realize that may not be true. And it saddens me.

  75. Defensive Indifference says:

    Just got back in, but I guess I’m glad I missed most of the game. Ouch.

    Thanks to RAB and all RAB posters for making the season more interesting and enjoyable.

  76. Jim Is Bored says:

    April is right around the corner.

    Thanks again, Mike, for a great year on RAB.

  77. Big Member says:

    hey everyone big member needs your aid for his research. does steroid testing increase in the playoffs? because this will be a breaktrue in my theory.

  78. Get Phelps Up says:

    In other news, I see that Fox FINALLY added a pitch counter in their broadcast.

  79. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    Repost due to reply error: And mysteriously, throughout all of this, Greg is absent.

  80. CUYanks says:

    I don’t know if I’m alone in this, but I find a loss by a sweep much less depressing than a loss in a game 7. Moreover, getting bounced in the first round makes me feel terrible, like their entry into the playoffs and the regular season was a waste, but once they’ve won 1 round I can at least live with a series loss. Also, the stress and perseverance it took to win the AL East made me feel almost like the playoffs were a bit anticlimactic.

  81. Robinson Tilapia (I love the New York Yankees) says:

    You have a choice: Remember 167 games, or remember four games. Perhaps those last four will sting more tonight, but my hope is that the good memories of this rollercoaster of a season will become more vivid for some over time.

    What this time did without Mariano Rivera this year was heroic. I’m damn proud. Yeah, the last four games were about the shittiest I’ve seen since the early 90′s, but that’s what they’ll become over time: Four fucking games.

    We’ll start off hot stove fun later. For now, though? Thank you, New York Yankees and thank you, Mike, for taking this little blog and making it an even bigger obscene fucking behemoth this year.

    As long as there’s boring work to do during the day and nights spent with a sleeping baby and wife, you bet I’ll be here in the off-season.

  82. Robinson Tilapia (I love the New York Yankees) says:

    And, honestly, what the fuck is up with these Project Runway final collections? They all suck.


  83. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    I was always in favor of the “World Series or bust” attitude, and I still am, but there are VARYING degrees of success, at least. No, this season did not meet the incredibly high ideals the Yankees set, and which I want them to continue to set-but it was pretty fucking good anyway. And I can definitely live with that.

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