Jan
21

Monday Night Open Thread

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Here is your open thread for this chilly evening. The Knicks and Nets are meeting in Madison Square Garden, and that’s really it as far as professional local sports go. You can talk about that game or anything else here, as usual. Go nuts.

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  1. TomH says:

    I’ll be in Florida for a week in early March (second week). Is it usually safe to just go to Steinbrenner field and buy tickets (for 4, two kids) on game day? We’ll only be able to take that trip on one day, and rainouts scare me if I’ve bought tickets in advance. Do they usually sell out for these games? Any advice from Grapefruit vets would be appreciated.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      They definitely sell out most games and I’d recommend buying them in advance. You could probably get them on StubHub closer to game day, but I’ve never done for ST.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Lucky guy. I always threaten to go down and visit my brother in March and get to a game, but it always seems to fall through.

      My cousins father in law retired from law enforcement years ago and now works at the stadium as security/gate check type stuff. He gets the obligatory 1/2 off discount at the store, which is probably another great reason that I don’t get down there… Could be an expensive trip.

      But I digress. Have fun man, it really is a nice little stadium.

      • Havok9120 says:

        At some point I shall make the drive over there in my copious free time. It’s really not THAT bad a trip if I can get a crew together for it.

      • Cris Pengiucci says:

        My sister has a place down there, as do 2 of my nephews. I need to get down there in the spring if I can break away from work. Definitely have the excuse.

    • TomH says:

      Thanks very much fellas. Very useful advice. I appreciate it.

  2. MannyGeee says:

    oh Damaso Marte. What a dick tease you turned out to be…

  3. Havok9120 says:

    Marte’s streak of playoff dominance that season was a lot of fun to watch, especially since it came out of almost nowhere (at least from my perspective). I certainly wasn’t expecting him to be so clutch for us down the stretch.

  4. Austin Aunelowitzky says:

    Did Yanks and Hughes agree on a deal? A buddy just mentioned that.

  5. jjyank says:

    The Marte/Nady trade is pretty much a wash for me, and the Marte extension sure didn’t pan out as expected…but fuck it. Flags fly forever bitches. I’ll never hate on a player that helped get us a ring.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Yeah, I would say the Nady Marte deal worked out aces. You gave up a bunch of Ohlendorf, Karstens and Tabata for 1/2 a season of Nady, who was OK, and Marte who was pivotal in the series.

      I was never high on Tabata, maybe unjustly so, but on paper it made sense then.

      • Jersey Joe says:

        Mason Williams looks eerily like Tabata, except he can play CF.

        • Pat D says:

          Also keeping the fingers crossed that Mr. Classical Gas can have a tad more power.

        • MannyGeee says:

          what soured me on Tabata was the lore (albeit from “sources”, FWIW) of poor attitude and work ethic. That plus the lack of power and real CF skill always felt like he was prime for unneccessary huggingof the prospect variety.

          Williams at least passes the eye test and, if memory serves, seems to have the work ethic tied to him.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          How so?

  6. Bob Buttons says:

    Feliciano goes back to the Mets.
    Guess either he really hates moving or he’s a masochist.

  7. DERP says:

    I got really excited for the Nets/Knicks after reading this post and then I saw the game was played this afternoon.

  8. Havok9120 says:

    Aaaaaand ‘Cuse beat Cincy today.

    Like them or not (and I now know that apparently everyone else here hates them :p ) beating #21 and #1 in 48 hours really isn’t a bad weekend.

    • Pat D says:

      So what? Notre Dame beat Cincinnati on the road!

      Yea, then they went and lost to UConn and freaking St. John’s, but still…

      • Havok9120 says:

        The Georgetown game hasn’t opened well for you guys, either.

        And I’ll trade a road win in Cincy for a road win in Louisville any day. :D

        • Pat D says:

          All true. Just looking to keep the narrative going. ;)

          • Havok9120 says:

            Making another comeback now.

            I haven’t seen either team play much before tonight. Got some holes in these defenses.

            • Pat D says:

              I have respect for Brey because he’s found a system that works and has probably brought more success than it should have. That being said, it’s a very boring brand of basketball. I’ll be interested to see if it changes next year when they get this top PG recruit.

              • Havok9120 says:

                Yeah, they’re definitely one of the Big East teams that has embraced attritional basketball.

                And apparently I jinxed the comeback, because they haven’t scored a basket since I posted that comment. Sorry about that.

    • Austin Aunelowitzky says:

      I don’t hate ‘Cuse and I went to a Big East (at the time) rival. I’ve grown to respect Boeheim over the years.

  9. Pat D says:

    So as I’m about to begin my second week of classes tomorrow, I can honestly say that I didn’t learn anything in the first week.

    Woo hoo!!! College!!! Things never change!!

    In fact, the first statement was a complete falsehood. I did learn stuff in my anthropology class, where the professor wrote one of the books we use, all about his experiences in Haiti. Some pretty fucked up stuff.

  10. Drew says:

    My gf just got me and early Valentines day present of an iPad Mini. Love it so far, but unfortunately it is setting the bar pretty high for myself for the upcoming fiction holiday, sigh.

    • Pat D says:

      I loathe Valentine’s Day, since I firmly believe it was a holiday created by a conglomerate of greeting card, candy and flower corporations. Also, one of the worst nights of my life was when I worked Valentine’s Day Night back in 1998. It fell on a Saturday and I worked at Red Robin bussing tables.

      The place was packed from about 4:00 until like 11:30. It was utterly non-stop. The whole time, I’m screaming in my head, “You think Red Robin is a good place to go for Valentine’s Day dinner?!?!?”

      In conclusion, yea, I’d say you’ve got to come through pretty good.

      • Bob Buttons says:

        Well what holiday isn’t firmly bloated up by capitalism? I personally loathe every single non-day off + mandatory gift giving holiday. It’s somewhat about competition of better gifts, and you don’t get time off to enjoy your new possessions, regardless of how good (or corny) they are.

        • Pat D says:

          Valentine’s Day is the worst, to me, in those terms.

          Mother’s Day and Father’s Day aren’t far behind.

          • jjyank says:

            Man, I am so lucky to have parents that don’t give a shit about those. Just a nice phone call, and they’re thrilled.

            • Pat D says:

              My mother’s birthday is a week before Mother’s Day, so I kinda sorta avoid having to spend the extra money there.

              Considering I’m on a limited income for the foreseeable future, they probably won’t expect anything. They still think I spent too much at Christmas. I probably did, but I refuse to short change at Christmas time.

            • Bob Buttons says:

              Relatives who don’t buy into commercialism is nice, but I got some aunts and uncles who only wants gifts of the top 5 international brands or so for whatever my family is giving them. Doesn’t give a rat’s ass about quality, just about the brand. Those people grinds my gears (except those who have prolonged exposure to such products)

              Seeing them once or twice every couple of years is still a bit too much.

    • Austin Aunelowitzky says:

      haha, is that why she gave it to you early? you’ve got a lot of time to come up with something really really good, and she knows it ;)

    • MannyGeee says:

      I am gonna top allof your collective Valentine bitching.

      Wifes birthday? Oh, that would be FEBRUARY FIFTEEN. Every FUCKING year got to double down on gifts. Or go for the uber gift.

      Might as well call the mortgage company and let them know not to expect a check until March.

      Saving grace, however, (if you want to call it that) is that both of our work schedules have really put a damper in the birtthday/holiday extraveganza the past few years… So I have been able to buy a week here or there over the past few years to at least space out the gifts.

      • Drew says:

        My gf’s is also February 15th. My birthday is on December 30th, and our anniversary is on December 29th, so I have a nice little end of the year, plus I get to get trashed on NYE.

      • vin says:

        Thank Mo my wife and I are at the point where we’ve stopped obligatorily exchanging gifts. You want something? Buy it yourself. It’s the best. And actually cheaper in the long run since you’re not wasting money on crap she doesn’t really need or want.

  11. Get Phelps Up says:

    Wow, I definitely did not mean to start that whole mess in the Core of the Yankees article. I should have realized that digging up that 2 week old post was just asking for trouble.

    • jjyank says:

      It is what it is. Hoss gets under my skin a bit, so I was baited successfully.

      • MannyGeee says:

        Hoss has really been chapping my ass of late. I dont like to let the trolls win, but he’s been doing the deed lately.

        • Hoss says:

          Someone who doesn’t share your opinion = troll? You are a self important piece of shit if I’ve ever seen one.

          • Pat D says:

            Just to give you fair warning, that’s a good way to get yourself banned. You can disagree with people and argue with people on here without resulting to name calling and insults.

            • Hoss says:

              Like calling someone “fucking stupid”, which I was subjected to in the last thread?

              • Havok9120 says:

                Yes, and because someone you disagree with all the time did it, you should totally do it too.

                Sigh.

                For the record, he was also calling an idea (one I’m pretty sure you then said you don’t share, so there’s that) f-ing stupid, not you. Thin line, but commenting guidelines usually are.

                • Pat D says:

                  Yea, your idea was called stupid, not you personally. Recognize the difference.

                • Hoss says:

                  Why don’t you, jj, manny et al stop troll-calling and insulting other commenters behind their backs and just discuss the Yankees, etc.? Tolerance of the opinions of people who don’t share your views would make for better discussion, fine lines or not.

                  • Ted Nelson says:

                    People aren’t calling you a troll because you disagree. It’s because you are irrationally pessimistic about the Yankees and irrationally optimistic about their rivals. You make comments that ignore the positive and stress the negative for the Yanks, and do the opposite for the competition.

                    It’s classic troll behavior. That I don’t think you are actually a troll isn’t necessarily a good thing. At least dalelama is a Mets fan trying to be irrationally pessimistic. Your comments seem really serious.

                    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

                      Once again you give yourself far too much credit by judging Hoss like you’re some authority on the matter. Hoss’ opinions are just as valid as your opinions. Plenty of people around here think several others including you are irrationally optimistic and blind to the impending lean year or two that very well may be on the horizon as Mike mentioned in his CBS article today. The scores in the confidence polls which have been consistently less than 6 proves that the majority of readers have major concerns about the next few years.

                      I personally think Hoss leans way too far to the pessimistic side but to dismiss him as an irrational pessimist or as a troll is ridiculous unless you have a crystal ball.

                      You can’t make it through 1 day without fighting with somebody so you’re really the last person who should be giving advice to Hoss.

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      Get a life. You agree with me and say as much, but just want to start shit. How pathetic. Still upset that you couldn’t comprehend what I wrote earlier today, little guy?

                      Hoss’ rationality has nothing to do with the results of the Yankees and everything to do with, you know, the rationality of his thoughts. When he omits huge variables, that is not rational. Not that you seem to know much about rational thought.

                      I rarely actually submit an opinion, so most of the people who think I am too optimistic are just being defensive.

                  • Havok9120 says:

                    …..

                    You know, I’m a heck of a person to say that to. Especially since you’re the one who brought up the conduct of another poster whilst we were discussing the team.

    • Havok9120 says:

      Yeah.

      Yeeeeeah.

      I wouldn’t worry about it. I’m sure that argument will happen 6 or 7 more times before June.

    • Pat D says:

      I think it was warranted. Of course, I was only able to read about half of that post before I realized having my teeth pulled without drugs would have been a more constructive use of my time.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Reading it now.

      I can have successful discussion with folks with a negative outlook on the team. Hoss just comes off as almost one-dimensional to me. There’s nothing to really argue with him. I look forward to being proven wrong at some point.

      • Hoss says:

        How am I one-dimensional? I’m trying to express a view that the Yankees need to improve to compete and you seem to think we are already playoff quality. We each have our own perspective, or dimension as you call it.

        • Pat D says:

          So far you’ve been largely one-dimensional in that your attitude has been one of nothing but doom and gloom for the upcoming season.

          • Hoss says:

            “Largely” yes. I liked the Ichiro signing and the re-signings of Kuroda, Andy and Mo. They did not replace Swisher, Martin, Ibanez/Jones or Soriano. Youkilis was not an advisable way to replace Chavez.
            They missed out on free agents that could have helped, such as AJ to catch and Carlos Villanueva for pitching depth. I believe that signing Michael Bourn and trading some existing talent could help build the team.
            I believe that the season can be successful, but the FO needs to make some moves quickly.

            • Pat D says:

              Pierzynski would have been a terrible idea, Villaneuva would have been decent. I don’t think signing Bourn would be a good idea, considering the loss of the draft pick.

              I don’t disagree with some of the points you’ve made, but that whole doom-and-gloom, they’re-destined-to-finish-in-4th-place attitude gets tiresome around here.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              “Youkilis was not an advisable way to replace Chavez.”

              Not advisable by who, you? Please. The front office shits on your head.

              It’s stuff like this that gets you where it gets you on here.

            • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

              Disagree with Youkalis. I thought he was the perfect 3rd/1st baseman/DH on a short term reasonable money contract considering Arod injury. Also don’t think the Yankees need to pay market value and give up a draft pick for Bourn when they have a very similar play in Gardner who’s dirt cheap. Also wouldn’t have been in favor of signing AJ since his value was elevated by a season he’ll never repeat. I do think it was a major mistake not matching the more than reasonable contract Martin signed with the Pirates.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          This was explained to you about a week or two ago in a comment which you didn’t bother replying to.

          There’s a difference between being pessimistic about the team and the type of hyperbole you spew on here. Once you learn to actually write in a manner that invites people to share a different outlook with you, maybe you’ll get taken a bit more seriously.

          I don’t think you’re a troll in the least. I just think you subscribe to the same old “if you’re not screaming, you don’t have an opinion/if you’re not spewing anger, you’re being a Pollyana” bullshit, which is going to get you made fun of on here, which you’re clearly not looking for.

          If you think this is all childish, in-group/out-group nonsense, then you would have LOVED this place when the old guard was around.

  12. adeel says:

    who cares anymore? If they want to be under the luxury tax threshold and still charge a premium for tickets because its the “yankees” they can take their new stadium and shove it. I already know how it is going to play out, they will play the red sox 4353534 times, make a huge stink about “rivalry” when it has already become diluted to the point of irrelevance.

    I am not a troll, just a completely lost Yankee fan who sees no hope for this team. I truly hope to that they have a great season and I will be the first to eat my own words; but with the way they lost last season, and this current drive by owners makes me want to save my time and money with 2013.

    • jjyank says:

      I hope this is the last time I have to say it, but here it goes:

      The $189 budget and the ticket prices have…literally…nothing, at all, to do with each other.

      • Bob Buttons says:

        Probably won’t even be the last time you say it before the weekend.

      • Barry says:

        its a business so how are they unrelated? People will pay premium to see a winning team.

        • jjyank says:

          Because it’s supply and demand. The payroll of the roster has NOTHING to do with the prices of ticket, food, beer, etc. as long as there is a demand. You can argue that a budgeted roster will yield a lesser demand, but I will laugh. This is the New York Yankees were talking about. I’ve traveled to far away places and stil seen people wearing Yankee hats. There will always be that demand.

          • Barry says:

            I don’t see people paying premium when the team is no longer premium. Going somewhere and seeing a yan hat doesn’t really mean shit. You could go to africa and see people wearing superbowl champion patriot shit for last year because they mae the product and when they couldnt sell it they donated it. Supply and demand doesn’t work here. There is only high demand because it is a marquee product. Go look at tue time before the mid 90s when NY was by all rights a mets town in the yankee drought.

            • Barry says:

              My tablet really hatrs Rab btw so sorry for the choppy writing.

            • Havok9120 says:

              That drought lasted nearly TWO DECADES, not two years. And so far, we haven’t seen a drought of any kind unless all we’re counting here is rings.

              • Barry says:

                I didn’t say 2 years, ever. The yankees will be handcuffed for more than 2 years if they plan to budget. Your assuming the yankees will remain competitive by being under 189 and filling the holes with young cheap talent. Our best prospects are years away and their xhances of success are, as a rule, minimal.

                • Havok9120 says:

                  A) I don’t see the enormous performance decline started this coming season, as you know.

                  B) The “two years” thing was a rhetorical phrase to match “two” and “two.” I could just have easily written in 5 and my point would have been the same.

                  C) A 189 million dollar budget does not require a roster of only “young cheap talent.” We shed a huge contract per year from 2016-2018 and a major contract or 2 each year until 2016. Big money free agents can still be had.

                  Frankly, if the fanbase is so fickle as to jump ship with an above average and 2 mediocre seasons from 2013-2015, then that’s just really sad. The team almost certainly won’t be absolutely terrible in any of those three seasons, just not 95 win good. If attendance plummets as a result….yikes.

                  • Barry says:

                    the fanbase of the yankees is the most fickle in all of sports. Attendence will surely drop if they arent in the playoff run. Bandwagon fans like contention. Ive b3n a knicks fan my whole life, when they are contending i find a whole lot more knicks fans around. Thats the nature of sports. Im ssimply saying that if they do start to flounder they will see sales fal and will make adjustments. Also look at what FAs arr getting, They arent exactly bargains.
                    And for the performance declines, we will see but im betting on a drastic decline. Baseball is more competitive than ever, and a lot of it has to do with the great baseball we are accustomed to sincethe dynasty started.

                    • Robinson Tilapia says:

                      “The fanbase of the yankees is the most fickle in all of sports.”

                      From that statement, I will conclude that you don’t know jack shit about the Yankees fanbase.

                • jjyank says:

                  No, you’re assuming. The Yankees best prospects are about two years away. And you just said the’d be handcuffed for “more than 2 years”. Put your crystal ball away.

                  • Barry says:

                    The yanks best prospects are in a ball due. They probably wojt be able to hit sliers for all we know. Its not a crystal ball but were all talking hypotheticals so mine goes away when yours does.

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      None of them will be able to hot sliders! For sure, dude!

                    • Barry says:

                      You dont know and neither do I. I hope they al work out but i know they won’t.

                    • Get Phelps Up says:

                      Most hypocritical comment ever?

                    • Robinson Tilapia says:

                      Learn to spell.

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      “They probably wojt be able to hit sliers for all we know.”

                      You’re weighing in on what’s probable there. Not just saying that we have no idea what will happen.

                      We don’t know what they’ll do exactly, but we can make some projections in terms of what is reasonable to expect. It’s not much more realistic to say that 4 top 100 prospects won’t work out at all than to say all 4 will work out.

                    • Barry says:

                      History points to prospects not working out… so my bet would be the safer one.

                      Fishboy, learn to read…

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      History does not point to top 100 and top 50 prospects working out 0% of the time. Try harder. That sort of misinformation is not going to fly on this board. You will get called out every single time.

                      History also points to Cashman making moves to fill holes, but that’s something you are able to assume isn’t going to happen going forward?

          • Anthony says:

            On that last point, this past summer I did a service abroad medical trip… we went to some REALLY remote villages in Panama composed of indigenous people….and yea, I saw a Yankee hate there. It was so bizarre/cool. I guess they are fans of Mo :D

            • jjyank says:

              Dude I went to the Middle East and saw Yankee hats. Those people would sure as shit pay double the price of a ticket to see an actual Yankee game. Which is…wait for it….demand. Ya know, the thing that has nothing to do with the budget.

              • Anthony says:

                Yea the Yankees aren’t just a team they’re a brand and that ties directly to their appeal. The team is based in the biggest metropolitan area in the US and there are tourists here every month of the year (many of which I’m sure know about the Yankees) so I have a hard time seeing demand drop for the foreseeable future. Perhaps if they are perpetually just awful for x consecutive years, but again… they are the Yankees.

                • Barry says:

                  Seeing a hat doesnt mean shit. Those people arent fan just because they are wearing a hat.

                  • Get Phelps Up says:

                    Not everyone, but lots are.

                    • Barry says:

                      There is no way to know

                    • Get Phelps Up says:

                      There’s also no way to know that people wearing hats aren’t fans, like you claimed.

                    • Barry says:

                      No way to know was meant for both of our arguments. What i can say os there are more factories making yankee hats than any other hat in production. Youre a fool to think that every one is being sold to a fan and not just bought because it was wht was available. People in the non western world dont really care or know aboit the particular brand they acquired and then wear. If you ser someone in kandahar wearing a yankee ballcap doesnt mean they know what the yankees or even baseball is..

                    • Get Phelps Up says:

                      “People in the non western world dont really care or know aboit the particular brand they acquired and then wear.”

                      I disagree. I’m sure due to the presence of Matsui, Ichiro and Kuroda, lots of Japanese people have developed a like for the Yankees.

                  • Anthony says:

                    I never said that the people I saw in the middle of nowhere Panama are Yankee fans. What I’m saying is that the team is one of the most internationally recognizable professional sports teams in the world, and that bodes well for attendance. I mean, you have people on this site commenting in game threads from England, New Zealand, and I thought I saw Germany too.

                    Additionally, you mention bandwagon fans in a few threads down. Yes, winning does attract more fans. But here’s the thing: The Yankees are strongly associated with winning. Casual fans recognize this, and its entirely possible they wouldn’t be aware that the Yankees were in last place (lets say in 2014). I’m willing to bet that a good portion of the attendance at any one Yankee game are unaware of the many intricacies of baseball we discuss on here, standings included. They are going for the experience.

        • Havok9120 says:

          Because ticket prices are based off what people are willing to pay rather than what the overhead of the team is. That’s what he means.

          A drop in payroll does not, will not, and should not (economically) automatically entail a drop in ticket prices. They do not correlate in and of themselves, but in a more existential way over time.

        • MannyGeee says:

          FWIW we are coming off the second season in a row, three seasons removed from a World Series win, and we don’t see those attendence numbers really fluctuate. That being said, they don’t “sell out” like Fenway does (*cough* padding sales stats *cough*) either.

          So regardless of if spoiled fans want to “boycott” because we didn’t see the typical “buy all teh playerz!” shopping spree, you will likely see the same number of fans make the pilgrimage. They wont miss you, sorry to say.

          • MannyGeee says:

            fourth season in a row with 90+ wins, is what I meant to thorw out there.

            • Barry says:

              I really don’t like the yankees buying the players but people here serm to want the best of both worlds. The yankees wont be able to remain competitive because of the way the team has operated for the last 10 years. And when the team drops out it will show in income.

              • MannyGeee says:

                Dont entirly agree. What this does is, in essence, give the Yankees the opportunity to stop the insanity that they have operated within for the past 10-12 years… After the A-Rod/Tex contracts are finally off the books, would you still want to see them carrying contracts like that going forward in the name of being the big boys on the block today?

                FUCK THAT I say, I want nothing to do with Carrying a Cliff Lee and Josh Hamilton contract into 2018, thank you. I HONESTLY BELIEVE that Cashman (and Hal, to a lesser extent) see this as an opportunity to get back to a less head spinning blank check business model.

                And also, anyone who thinks the Yankees cant compete while still spending more than ALMOST everyone, instead of blowing everyone out of the water, doesnt study history. The highest spending team in baseball has won the World Series exactly ONCE since 2001. ONCE. That would be 2009.

                • Barry says:

                  Dont get me wrong im actually a fan of getting away from the drunken spending but i dont think the yankees will be the marquee of baseball while they transition. Im not sayoing they will be irrelevent but I dont think we will be the favorites of the AL east while the change occurs. You can be sure i was part of the minority that liked getting umder the cap but to say thatthis wont effect asses in tye seats youre wrong.

                  • MannyGeee says:

                    All good man, I think we’re kind of on the same mindset, but we’ll have to agree to disagree.

                    I honestly believe the people who will go to the stadium will continue to go: The Bleacher Creatures and Billy Crystal, the out of towners, and the folks like me who come in from out of town to see our team regardless, albeit rarely.

                    • Barry says:

                      Im not ashamed to say ive only been to the new stadium once. Its not easy to go and i just didnt like it. I liked sitting in the bleeds above right in the old stadium, loved it. Went 5 times that last september. Just dont like the new stadium, didnt feel like the old one and am still too nostalgic about my memories in the old one. Sticking out til the late innings and sneaking down as the premo seats eptied. Te new stadium just idk it sucks to me.

      • Blake says:

        They don’t because ticket prices are supply and demand only….teams chaege what the demand is…..but they do because the fans do have the option of not paying the prices if they don’t like the product.

        A steakhouse can pay less for their beef and keep prices of their food the same so long as the customers don’t notice a dip in quality….but if they do then they may go eat somewhere else.

        Same with a baseball team….the Yanks can lower payroll and fans likely won’t care much so long as the team stays on the same level it has been…..but if they start losing then you can bet the ticket prices and that lower payroll will be connected

        • jjyank says:

          That’s not a great example. People go to restaurants almost entirely or the food. So if the food sucks, people stop going.

          I can tell you, first hand, that if you remove yourself from RAB, from New York, people will buy tickets to come see the Yankees, even if they have a budget.

          • Blake says:

            It’s not a perfect analogy but the concept is the same for both…..ticket prices are supply and demand….if a lower payroll causes the quality of product to decrease….or if fans perceive it had then that indirectly can cause the demand to decrease…….meaning the two actually could be related. If the Ya

            • jjyank says:

              Eh. If the quality decreases at a restaurant, they’ll be forced to change real fast. If the quality chances with the Yankees, it will take several losing seasons to change the prices, IMO. And nobody has a good enough crystal ball to know if the Yankees will suck in 2014 or 2015 anyway. So outrage over “lower teh prices because of teh budget!!!111!!” are fucking stupid. If the team sucks in 2015 and they still have that budget, get back to me. Until then, I will recognize that argument as stupid.

              • Blake says:

                I don’t really think so….if they don’t play well in 2013 with all this budget talk then I think attendance will drop quickly

                • Havok9120 says:

                  Attendance will drop quickly via the eye test loooooong before it actually starts affecting sales, which means looooooooooooooooong before it starts affecting prices.

                  I mean, everyone was pointing and saying “Look! Attendance is already falling from the budget!!” during September/the post season. Then the sales figures came out and it turns out they sold just fine.

                • jjyank says:

                  And I think you’re straight up wrong. If the Yankees have a sub-standard season in 2013, they will still have great attendance.

              • Barry says:

                And my counterpoint was bad. You really underestimate the majority of bandwagon fans and how fickle they are. The majority of yankee fans arent really fans likei think you arr. You will see a major decrease without winning. The mets were no where ear the team as the yankees arr and you saw it there and their stadium is nicer and cheaper. Baltimore too, way better ballpark than ys3, empty and cheap when not in contention. Thats showbiz.

                Need to fix my laptop, so hard to argue with this tablet.

          • Barry says:

            This is false as well. A restaurant could have 5* food and 2* service, if the service is so bad it will show in headcount.

    • Havok9120 says:

      I’m not going to call you a troll (you almost certainly aren’t), but doesn’t it feel a little silly predicting not just doom for next season but the ruin of the franchise for the foreseeable future based off a single off season following a very successful year?

      • adeel says:

        im just tired i guess. read 167 mri exams on call over the weekend and have to wake up at 6 am for more torture tommorrow. Have to air my frustrations out SOMEWHERE, and Hal and his stupid 189 million seemed like the perfect scapegoat.

      • Blake says:

        Not predicting any sort of gloom and doom….just suggesting that the budget could indirectly affect ticket prices at some point down the line if they don’t win under the new budget…..that’s really all I’m saying

        • Havok9120 says:

          And that’s no problem. It’s almost certainly true. I just don’t see it being as precipitous a decline as you seem to.

          • blake says:

            I think it just depends on how things play out…..I think the Yankees could win the division in 2013 and then figure out a way to compete in 2014 also…..but they are carrying a lot of injury and age related risk into the season as well and I could also see a scenario where it all falls apart as it did in 2008 or worse……

            if that were to happen I think a lot of fans are going to blame ownership because of the budget….and they’ll show their disapproval by not going to games. I could be wrong totally and I really hope we don’t get a chance to find out.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Then don’t go to the stadium. It’s your money. No one’s going to force you onto the D train.

      • Barry says:

        Wow constructive.

        • Pat D says:

          R-Tils cuts straight to the bone.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          It’s certainly more constructive than getting into this bullshit argument for the 100th time.

          If this guy doesn’t think the team’s earning his hard-earned dollar, then he can do whatever he wants. I’m not engaging in this bullshit. You don’t have to buy a ticket if you don’t want to.

          • Ted Nelson says:

            But they are spending less in 2014 and I don’t know who all of their starters are a year in advance, so they will lose!!!!!!!! Doom!!!!!!! Everything I am unsure about will go wrong!!!!!!!!

            • Barry says:

              I want them to spend less and build from within. I honestly think that the cost of the team is carried to the fan. But the current structure of the team isn’t built to not spend so im prepared to not have an october in NY. the east is tougher now than ever and limiting payroll when you have the capital to spend won’t translate to success and you cant count on people continuing to pay fora team they are used to seeing put up gawdy stats and winning a lot of games.

              • Ted Nelson says:

                Wait, is this the same Barry who was telling me that we have no idea what will happen in the future above?

                Which one is it, big guy? Do we have no idea what will happen in the future, or is everything going to go wrong in the future? You seem to want it both ways: we don’t know if things will go right, but it’s ok for you to assume things will go wrong.

                I can’t speak for anyone else on here, but I am not trying to assume that everything will go right. I am trying to guess what is most likely based on what I know.

                [The cost of the team isn't really "carried to the fan," by the way. The success of the team is, along with the demand of all fans collectively. If the Yankees spent 1/100th what they do and won as many games in the same market, they probably wouldn't change their prices much. They are a good team that a lot of people are willing to pay to watch. On the other hand, the Rays could spend 10x more and win less, and they probably couldn't charge much more without losing what few fans they have. (At least with their current marketing, stadium, etc.) So, if you want cheaper seats it's probably going to take the Yankees losing. Maybe they're slow and use cost plus pricing, but they're basically idiots if they lower their prices when people are willing to pay more.]

                • Barry says:

                  Ticket prices aren’t higher if players aren’t makimg what they are. Players wont play if they don’t feel their compensation is fair compared to what the team is bringing in.

                  I don’t want it both ways. I genuinely find FA dream rosters less enjoyable than homegrown teams. I am simply saying that just becase the Yankees are who they are doesn’t generate revenue on its own. If the yankees finish third with 85 wns the team will see revenue fall. From advertising to concessions, all will be impacted. The yankees had plenty of shitty teams in the past and the stadium went from full to empty, quickly. How much did the boss pay for the team again?

                  Your business views were shared by american motor companies in the past. Make shit cars, people will buy it because its a chevy. That worked well.

                  • Get Phelps Up says:

                    “Ticket prices aren’t higher if players aren’t makimg what they are.”

                    Based on what, exactly? If the Yankees had a perennial 95 win team with only a $100M payroll, I’m sure the tickets would still be expensive. Bottom line is, people will pay to see a good team.

                    Lots of teams with lower payrolls have lower ticket prices not because they’re paying the players less, but because they aren’t contending every year.

                  • Ted Nelson says:

                    What are you talking about? You are all over the place. It is nearly impossible to decipher what you’re talking about.

                    Think of the ticket price issue this way: do you decide how much you would pay to go see the Yankees based on their payroll or where they are in the standings? You seem to acknowledge at points that it comes down to wins and losses, yet this is the point you started out arguing against.

                    My “philosophy” is the exact opposite of what you are pretending it is. I am saying that people will pay more to see the Yankees based on how good they are, not based on how much they spend. If BMW or Bentley or whoever keeps making high quality cars but is able to significantly reduce what it costs them to make that car, the customer isn’t going to suddenly be willing to pay less. They have the luxury, at that point, of reducing cost to increase the volume they sell… but that doesn’t work the same way for the Yankees, because they have limited seats available unless they want to expand the stadium (analogous to a car company producing at capacity with big cost and quality concerns of expanding production to a new or bigger plant).

                    You “want it both ways” not in that you want a FA dream roster. That has nothing to do with what I was saying, so I’m really confused by your response. I said that you want is both ways because you want to question anyone who assumes that anything at all may work out for the Yankees, but you want to assume that everything won’t work out.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              And I’d say those folks are all 12 years old, but then we have those folks name-dropping Horace Clarke and Celerino Sanchez and whatnot.

        • RetroRob says:

          Well, he has a point.

          Less people go, changes get made. More people go, less changes made. That gets back to the supply/demand part.

  13. Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

    You know it is almost ST time when Mike is is all but forced to put up a video of Damaso Marte striking out two batter up. Baseball we miss you!

  14. Brooklyn Nets says:

    Brooooooooooooooooklyn

  15. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I have an idea for a game here. Feel free to play along or ignore asyouallignoredmyclassicvideobaseballgamesopus. I’m not bitter.

    We’ll call this “Straight Up or Down Vote.” Rules will be that you can only answer “yes” or “no” to a question. The only other permitted response will be to pose another question. If you can’t say “yes” or “no,” or feel like you HAVE to qualify your response, don’t answer.

    The only other rule will be that you cannot criticize anyone’s vote. It is what it is.

    Ready?

    I’ll start off with a classic:

    You have the ability to take a mulligan on Pineda/Montero and reverse the trade right now. Do you do it?

  16. Pat D says:

    Tilapia, they’re starting to kill Cesaro’s momentum!!!

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      No spoilers. DVR-ing it until my wife goes to bed.

      I suppose a Miz non-title win sets up something. The Miz peaked when he was champ with Riley in his corner.

      • Pat D says:

        I still like Miz but his face turn hasn’t been done very well yet. I’ll keep it spoiler-free from here.

        Can’t wait till Sunday. Gonna meet up with my friends at the one sports bar that always shows PPV events. It’s sad in a way. I used to see these guys every week when another of our friends would have us over for Raw and every PPV. Then his marriage fell apart and he moved back to Ohio. Then my other friends got married and started families. Makes me feel odd now.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          The edges have been smoothed over too much. He still needs to be a massive prick.

          He cost himself a lot of money getting lazy after the big push. I don’t know if he’ll ever get taken seriously again.

          It sucks as well because this guy, for a while, worked his ass off to actually be considered championship material. He was unwatchable when he first started on TV. Just awful.

          • Pat D says:

            Oh, yea, he was beyond awful at first. I remember when he couldn’t emcee the Diva Search properly. I remarked to my friends that he’d be gone by the end of the year.

            Then he proved me wrong. In addition to becoming somewhat lazy, I also think he’s someone else who was at least partially sabotaged by the part-timers. I mean, his big WrestleMania title defense became largely a sideshow to the beginning of the Rock/Cena feud.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              Riley also got the shaft. Kid’s a great talker. Always entertained me. Deserved better.

              The Miz segment with Flair last week was awful. In almost 30 years of watching, I never wanted Ric Flair off my TV more. He’s approaching Leslie Nielsen territory looks-wise and could barely deliver his lines anymore.

              • Pat D says:

                Yea, that was the worst Flair segment I could remember seeing. Surely he could still have value as a mouthpiece for someone?

                I noticed a lot of people on the internet blame Cena for killing Riley. I wasn’t watching real, real close at that time, so I’m not sure why they feel that way. I think someone who got released badmouthed Cena maybe? I know Kenny Dykstra hates Cena, but that guy was a dickhead anyway. I’ve just never understood the Cena hate.

                • Robinson Tilapia says:

                  Worst ever, and I’ve seen Ric Flair:

                  - lose to Rico the gay hairdresser character
                  - have his head shaven after losing to Vince Russo, or something of that sort
                  - host his own talk show segment with a maid named “Fifi”

                  Dykstra was boring and looked 12. Never saw what the big deal was.

                  • Pat D says:

                    I think I read that he’s now dating that maid.

                    Dykstra had some athleticism, but came with the stigma of having been in the Spirit Squad. He also carried himself as being better than he was and acting like he didn’t have work hard or pay dues.

                    • Robinson Tilapia says:

                      Didn’t hurt Ziggler that he was in the Spirit Squad.

                      I loved that gimmick, FWIW. They played that perfectly.

                    • Pat D says:

                      I liked aspects of the Spirit Squad, but they were more annoying than anything.

                      Being in the Spirit Squad didn’t hurt Ziggler because, unlike Dykstra, he didn’t immediately return to TV as basically the same guy. He was off for a while and came back with a new name and mostly new look. And it still took him a while to find his footing.

                      In other slight spoiler-ish news, The Shield have become very old very quick.

  17. dasani says:

    The Yankees are due for something BIG. Its been way too quiet.

  18. Pat D says:

    I’m sure we’ve all seen this before. I gotta say that one of my ambitions in life is to appear in a compilation like this.

  19. OldYanksFan says:

    According to Buster O….
    Top 10 bullpens in MLB history
    1. 1998 New York Yankees

  20. Neil Hollander says:

    Montero just signed with the Seahawks . Pete Carroll liked his lack of speed and the fact that he runs like a girl

  21. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    So, bad news on my end. Another Summer Theatre program is doing “Les Miserables”. One of our CHAIRMEN actually told us point blank that this was the show he’s auditioning for. With the movie out it’s wildly popular right now.

    We’re doing “Godspell”.

    Not everybody is going to get into Les Mis. It’s a hard show. But the problem is that they’re all going to AUDITION for Les Mis, and the auditions will be around the same time as ours. Which means that a lot of people who would be auditioning for our show will be auditioning for theirs. The best we can hope for is that we put our auditions a little bit after there’s and use the people who missed the cut.

    Kind of depressing.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Can you push back auditions by a week? In the spirit of your New York Yankees, you can go scrap picking from the left overs?

      #youseewhatIdidthere?

      • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

        We don’t actually have them set yet (I’m starting fundraising literally TOMORROW…would have started today but decided to organize a bit more first and look a little more professional). Still kind of sucks though. I know several ultra-talented people who I was hoping would be in our show are definitely auditioning for Les Mis and, since they’re ultra-talented, probably getting in.

  22. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    So, idk if anybody else here reads cracked.com, I’m an avid reader over there, and sometimes like to lurk in the comment section, because as wee all know, sometimes comment sections are more fun than the actual articles sometimes. Today, I found a perfect microcosm of the internet on in the comment section of one of their articles (to the poing were I screenshotted it and put it on my tumblr), and I thought I’d share this gold nugget with you guys. Fwiw, the language is kind of nsfw. http://25.media.tumblr.com/13c.....o1_500.jpg

  23. Jacob says:

    Woo, Go Nets.

  24. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Boy this was a mess last night. I blame jjyank.

    • Havok9120 says:

      I concur. If we all just blame jj and make him the Hate Vessel, peace shall be restored to the comments section.

    • Jim Is Bored says:

      RAB, during the offseason, is my go-to at work whilst bored. I rarely if ever frequent this place during off hours or weekends, because I have other things to do besides get frustrated at the incredible amount of irrational negativity, or the repeated arguments about the same exact crap. Threads like this one reinforce my reasoning, I think.

      It’s much more fun during the season when the narratives can all change from day to day, and the trolls can keep the targets moving.

    • Pat D says:

      I concur. ‘Bout time that jerk took some of the blame.

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