Open Thread: 2/23 Camp Notes

A-Rod tested negative for banned substances in recent screening
Winning the winter
Corban and Zoilo. Peas in a pod. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)
Corban and Zoilo. Peas in a pod. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)

The Yankees beat the Braves in their first game of the Grapefruit League season this afternoon. David Phelps allowed three singles in two scoreless innings and was the only projected big leaguer to pitch. Robinson Cano reached base in each of his three at-bats, twice on errors and once on a solo homer to left. Juan Rivera (1-for-2, 1 BB) took the early lead in the right-handed outfield bat competition over Matt Diaz (0-for-3, 2 K), plus Zoilo Almonte hit an opposite field two-run homer off Jordan Walden. He also threw a runner out at third from right field and is the early favorite for Spring Training MVP.

Frankie Cervelli got the catching competition underway by going 0-for-2 with a walk, though apparently he had a base hit taken away on a diving stop by shortstop Andrelton Simmons. Cervelli also threw a runner out trying to steal second. Austin Romine took over in the sixth and plated two runs with a two-out, bases loaded single in his first at-bat. He grounded out to third in his other at-bat. Can’t believe this catching thing is really happening. Anyway, here’s the box score and here’s the rest from Florida…

  • As always, Chad Jennings has the workouts assignments for everyone who didn’t travel for the game. Joba Chamberlain threw a simulated game while Boone Logan threw a side session. The club is taking it slow the left-hander (and his elbow), and I believe this was his first time on a mound this spring.
  • Derek Jeter (ankle) continued to ramp up his workouts by doing agility drills and running with teammates for the first time. Hooray for that. [Erik Boland]
  • Phil Hughes (bulging disk) finished his round of anti-inflammatory medication and plans to begin working out in a pool tomorrow. He’s still a ways off from picking up a baseball. [Andy McCullough]
  • Right-handed relief prospect Nick Goody is on crutches with a sprained right ankle. Apparently he got hurt in a car accident and will be shutdown for a while. That stinks. [Jennings]
  • Right-hander Adam Warren will start tomorrow’s exhibition home opener against the Blue Jays, which will be on television (1pm ET on YES). It’ll be interesting to see whether Brett Gardner or Curtis Granderson plays center field.

Here is your open thread for the evening. The Rangers and Islanders are both playing, but talk about whatever you like here. Enjoy.

A-Rod tested negative for banned substances in recent screening
Winning the winter
  • trr

    I’ll start with the obvious- so glad baseball is back!!!

    • lightSABR

      And tomorrow it’s televised. It’s about time. I’ve taken to watching re-runs from last season on, which has been fun, but it’s not quite the same.

      My latest: watching Bryce Harper look totally clueless in front of Andy Pettitte. Here’s to Andy avoiding the comebackers and staying on the field this year.

      • Tom

        That was tremendous… didn’t Andy throw like 8 sliders in as row (over many AB’s) once it became obvious Harper had no chance in hell of hitting it?

        • Bob Buttons

          IIRC he struck out five times in total in that game, with the vast majority of the pitches being sliders away and/or down.

          I remember watching that game. It was so nice seeing Andy still got it.

          • Jacob the OG(formerly Jacob)

            That was probably my favorite series of the season, and those were my favorite at bats. Great series, we destroyed them and they even walked Robbie every at bat

          • forensic

            Just too bad he couldn’t get the win. Thank Cory Wade for that as this was the beginning of his real implosion.

            At least the team got the win though. Thank Brad Lidge for that!

            And yeah, Harper went 0-7 with 5 K’s. Spanning his 1st-3rd AB’s he swung and missed at 7 straight pitches… I remember lots of sliders but don’t have the exact pitch types for all of them though I’m sure if someone wanted to spend a minute over at Brooks they’d be able to get them.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

              vs. Pettitte
              1 88 Fastball (Two-seam) Called Strike
              2 87 Fastball (Two-seam) Ball
              3 80 Slider Swinging Strike
              4 79 Slider Swinging Strike
              1 78 Slider Swinging Strike
              2 79 Slider Swinging Strike
              3 79 Slider Swinging Strike
              1 81 Slider Swinging Strike (Blocked)
              2 81 Slider Swinging Strike (Blocked)
              3 81 Slider Ball In Dirt
              4 79 Slider Swinging Strike
              1 80 Slider Ball
              2 80 Slider Ball
              3 88 Fastball (Four-seam) In play, out(s)

              So 11 consecutive sliders at one point.

              • forensic

                Nice, maybe it’s selective memory, but I seem to remember a mock cheer coming up from their crowd after he took that one in the dirt in his 3rd AB, only to be immediately followed by another whiff.

              • lightSABR

                Wow – even watching it, I don’t think I realized it was that bad. Go Andy. Teach the upstart to respect his betters. And if he learns his lessons well, who knows–he might just grow up to be a Yankee someday.

                If Hal remembers how to sign free agents at some point, that is.

              • Life

                A learning experience for Harper. I wouldn’t expect that to happen again if Pettitte faced Harper. Not saying he wouldn’t get him out, but it wouldn’t be so easy next time around.

      • MannyGeee

        BY FAR my favorite Yankee game (non playoff and non Red Sox) of 2013. Andy was on point, and Harper got chumped. it was awesome.

        • Jacob the OG(formerly Jacob)

          This was like the high point of the season, the club was in amazing form and I really thought we might go all the way…. until the bottom fell out.

  • Ethan

    Need to watch some baseball. Currently writing my undergrad thesis and it’s turning my brain to mush. Some baseball will be greatly appreciated!

  • McLovin

    Rangers can really use a win tonight. Been playing like shit lately.

  • Alex Rodriguez


  • gageagainstthemachine

    Anybody know why didn’t have any games listed on the Apple TV app today? I had to stream video from my iPhone using Airplay. This is my first season using through the Apple TV. Is this just a spring training issue? Any info/experience on this is most appreciated. Thanks!

  • WhittakerWalt

    Cervelli threw out a runner? I guess it’s really true that Spring Training means nothing.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      Nah, the runner was just conveniently trying to steal CF instead of 2B.

      • MannyGeee

        I laughed… well played

      • lightSABR


    • ClusterDuck

      In 2009, in 241 innings for the Yanks, Cervelli threw out 43% of the runners trying to steal.

      Not sure why he suddenly dropped to 14% in 2010 and 2011.

      • Govin

        Cervelli said it was because he got into some bad habits. Trying to throw the ball to hard and not getting a good grip on it. He said that during the winter he really focused on getting back to where he was in 09. Lets hope today was proof of this.

        • Herby

          I loved Mike’s, “Can’t believe this catching thing is really happening”. Sounds like the eternal pessimist. It’s getting to the point where it sounds as if some would prefer Martin’s uniform laid out behind home instead current options.

  • Robbie Cano’s Agent

    Glad baseball is back!

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    Seriously, this catching situation fucking sucks.

    In other news, in my continuing updates on this blog to all people who care (re: nobody) about the state of the benefit performance my friends and I are putting on, my old HS director got in touch and offered to help us put on a twenty minute “ultra-abridged version” of Romeo and Juliet for us so we can make some cash to go towards renting the rights to the “real” play, which is incredibly awesome of her. I think we’re going to do that along with a cabaret so people get their money’s worth.

    Another old director of mine who has also been incredibly awesome has offered to plan her Summer around our production of “Godspell” so we’ll be able to use the theater the week of the show (a member of the drama department needs to be present).

    Of course, what this means is that we better end up raising the fucking money or we end up becoming fucking dicks. So go figure.

    • forensic

      I get that people aren’t happy with the catchers, but geez, they had a hit, a walk, 2 RBI’s, and threw a guy out trying to steal.

      Yeah, it’s one game, but they did contribute today.

      Tomorrow with Stewart on the hand…

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

        they’ll get great framing….

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        It’s not one game, it’s one grapefruit league game that is indicative of absolutely nothing that may happen during the rest of the season.

        Our catchers are terrible, and it isn’t even remotely controversial to say so.

        • forensic

          So, whatever signs of life they may show they get no credit for? They’ve lost before they’ve even taken the field?

          How does this not qualify as the absurd ‘doom and gloom’ so many people here love to accuse others of as if having a different opinion makes them a worse fan?

          • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

            Because it’s based in fact. They DID take the field in the past. They “lost” because they’re bad. Sorry, when a player is bad they’re going to have to do a lot more than have one decent game until I consider “signs of life” to be shown.

            • Cool Lester Smooth (Formerly YanksFanInBeantown)

              If Romine can stay healthy he might be able to put up a 90-ish wRC+ with decent defense. Of course, that’s a huge if.

              • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                We can hope, but I’m pretty skeptical.

                • forensic

                  Cervelli’s already had two seasons in the Majors where he’s broken a 90 wRC+. Yeah, it’s partial seasons but why is that always ignored? He doesn’t have to produce in the same way as Martin did, he can do it with BA/OBP instead of SLG and still approach the same production level. No, we haven’t seen him do it as the starter all year long, but you’ll never find out if you never give it a try.

                  And yes, he didn’t have a great year last year, but he still just missed a 90 wRC+ (albeit in AAA), mostly thanks to a terrible April, which, although not completely excusable has some natural human nature and disappointment in it.

                  Also, he was great at throwing runners out in 2009. He was certainly terrible in ’10 and ’11, but if there’s even a modicum of truth as to what happened those years, maybe there’s a chance he gets somewhat closer to ’09 instead of ’10 and ’11.

                • Herby

                  What you’ll really see from the catching this season is probably going to be about league average with less power, not the train wreck so many are expecting. I think it’ll be a surprise for quite a few. Although I’d prefer to see Stewart be nothing more than a back-up or off the team.

            • Ted Nelson

              You’re being unrealistic about their past performance. Calling them terrible isn’t controversial, it’s just wrong. They aren’t good, but they aren’t terrible. An off-season in the echo chamber has taken the consensus from they’re not good but not much worse than Martin to they are the worst players in the history of organized baseball.

              • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                Martin wasn’t good either, Ted. You’ve pointed that out yourself several times. That they’re worse than Martin means something is seriously wrong here.

                • Ted Nelson

                  Martin was a 2 WAR player. Or about an average starter. Plenty good enough if it’s your weakest starter. These two are probably marginally worse.

                  I would imagine you’re not old enough to remember the 90s dynasties even, because there were weaker links back then and they still won. Nothing was seriously wrong there.

                  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                    I didn’t say there was something seriously wrong with the lineup (although we’re not exactly great either-good, if we can stay mostly healthy). I said something is seriously wrong with the catching situation.

                    All of our catchers are below league average. That’s pretty bad.

                    Also, I’m not sure what the point was with your 90’s dynasty comment.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Average starter and league average aren’t the same thing.

                      Obviously you’re not sure or you wouldn’t be so obsessed with the C spot. By your standard there were several things seriously wrong on the dynasty teams. If a team wins the WS (especially 4 times in 5 years) it’s hard to argue that there is something seriously wrong with it. So… perhaps having one below average starter does not mean something is seriously wrong. Perhaps it’s something spoiled brat fans should shut up about and live with.

                    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                      “Perhaps it’s something spoiled brat fans should shut up about and live with.”

                      Ah, so THIS is why people don’t like you. Fuck off, Ted. This team is not the dynasty team. I don’t care if every player on the dynasty team shit rainbows. We’re talking about our catchers now, all of whom are below average.

                      Mention the dynasty all you want, that doesn’t make them relevant.

                      Not to mention, this:

                      “If a team wins the WS (especially 4 times in 5 years) it’s hard to argue that there is something seriously wrong with it.”

                      …is false. Lots of WS teams have things wrong with them. The 08′ Yanks won more games than the 00′ Yanks. The 00′ Yanks got hot in the playoffs, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t have serious problems. Cone pitched 30 games to a 6.91 ERA. That’s a serious problem, yeah.

          • ClusterDuck

            Battles lines have been draw. Pro Martinites will be going negative on our three potential catchers. That’s just the way it is.

            Myself, I say wait and compare the Yanks catcher stats this year to what Martin does this year with the Pirates.

            • Ted Nelson

              I would be willing to bet that 90% of the fans pinning for Martin now couldn’t stop whining about him when he was a Yankee.

              • turd surfer

                I’ll take that bet if we could agree on a way to quantify it accurately. I think that’s hyperbole though.

                • Ted Nelson

                  Obviously I don’t know the exact number. The vast majority of commenters whined about Martin all season, though. Now the vast majority of commenters pine for him. That’s not even to say they are right or wrong, just that there probably a lot of commenters who did both.

                  • vicki

                    well, he did finish strong, and that would have some bearing on how his season was remembered. and the anemic free agent class made him seem stronger by comparison.

                    i stood by my man all year, and i know i felt very alone most of the season. (of course he had a champion in betty as well.)

            • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

              Who says I’m a pro-Martinite? I’d prefer we kept him but he wasn’t that good. About league average.

              • ClusterDuck


                My definition of a pro-Martinite is simply somebody who wanted to keep(sign) him while my definition of an anti-Martinite is somebody who simply didn’t want to sign him and wanted to give a chance to Cervelli/Stewart/Romine.

                Call it Martin-keepers vs. Martin-dumpers if you like.

                • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                  I wouldn’t have been particularly kind to Martin either. The catching situation is not good for the Yankees this year.

                • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                  …That said, sure, I would’ve defended him if he repeated his performance from last year since I think he probably was their best option.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Judging from how you defined a “pro-Martinite” below, I’ll disagree with you on this battlelines and things being the way they whatever.

              I would imagine the majority of Yankee fans who thought Martin should have returned as a, hopefully, stopgap to Gary Sanchez now realize and accept that he is no longer a Yankee and will be rooting for one or more of these guys in camp to become solid contributors. Why would someone “go negative?” This is your favorite team and these are your options. You root for them to win a three-headed MVP award when it’s all said and done.

          • Havok9120

            Well…it is a form of that and I’ve said so in the past, though I’m pretty sure I’ve not impugned anyone’s fandom except Dalelama or that other guy who’s handle I can’t remember.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    So much fun to listen to the game today. Thanks to those who reminded me as to the Braves feed on MLB At-Bar. Had to pay my yearly…. $20 this year for the subscription?

    Liked to, at least, hear about an Austin/Slade/Flores outfield for a few innings.

    Great day to be a fan. Yankees Win!

    • jjyank

      Indeed. And hey, I got $5 off for letting my MLB.TV subscription roll over! Guess who’s getting lunch at Popeye’s tomorrow?!

  • Robert

    Just the 1st game but hail to the kids who played well today!!!

  • Jerkface

    I saw some dumbies incorrectly saying that I was incorrect in the Soriano thread, so here is the relevant paragraph from the CBA:

    (iii) Cash Consideration: An assignor Club that pays cash
    consideration in lieu of assigning an unnamed player or to defray
    all or part of the salary obligation of the assignee Club for an
    assigned Player shall include such cash consideration in its Actual
    Club Payroll in the Contract Year in which the cash consideration
    is paid; provided, however, that any such cash consideration
    included as part of a Player assignment made during the 2016
    Contract Year but not payable until the 2017 Contract Year shall
    be included in the assignor Club’s 2016 Actual Club Payroll to the
    extent that the assignee Club does not have equivalent salary obli-gations under Player contracts obtained in the assignment in the
    2017 championship season or beyond. **Any cash consideration
    that is, pursuant to the preceding sentence, included in the Actual
    Club Payroll of the payor Club shall be subtracted from the Actual
    Club Payroll of the payee Club in the same Contract Year in which
    it is added to the payor Club’s Actual Club Payroll.**

    The last sentence is the money shot. If the Cubs pay 10 million for Soriano in 2013, then at the end of the year their total payroll is +10 and the Yankees is -10 for the purposes of calculating the luxury tax.

    In which case you can calculate Soriano’s contract by AAV, then you get the number that the Cubs have to beat for it to be 0.

    • turd surfer

      Careful guy. The mean girls club is going to get you. People love to tear down. No one said my bad either.

      • Havok9120

        You do understand that I, one of those you regularly associate with the regulars who you don’t like, actually said I didn’t know/I think he’s right, correct? And that quite a few people were merely pointing out that the question is unclear because, well, it still is.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I really, really was hoping the comment above you would have wound up just hanging there, by itself, like the world’s saddest pair of nuts, overnight.

          • Havok9120

            Every now and then I have a grumpy day that requires me to push back against some of the nonsense spewed about the comments section. Today has most certainly been one of those days.

        • Jerkface

          Its not unclear at all, seeing as how the CBA points out exactly what to do! It tells you how to calculate the AAV, and then it tells you how to calculate the ‘Actual Club Payroll’ and then there is a special provision exactly for cash considerations which it then spells out exactly how it works.

          It is very clear. The exact opposite of unclear.

          • Who hates bunts more? Axisa or Earl Weaver? (Formerly Austin Aunelowitzky)

            Wouldn’t clear be the opposite of unclear. Very clear would be the opposite of very unclear. To me this is perfectly clear.

            • Pat D

              But according to the movie Clear and Present Danger, you can’t be clear when clarity is the thing you want to avoid.

        • turd surfer

          I actually don’t consider you part of the mean girls club.You have some decent things to say. You might pile on once in a while but not in a condescending way, at least that’s how I feel about the subject.

          I thought it was interesting that I knew the MGC would never acknowledge they were wrong and would pile on this dude too. This guy might be a jerk, I mean his name is jerkface, but you can’t ignore the validity of his point.

          I’ve been on the worse end of a pile on and it’s annoying. Probably more annoying than how this guy is in his righteousness. Maybe y’all should consider not piling on and instead try to find common ground.

          If your goal is to stifle new ideas and new people, by all means keep piling on and making fun of people.

          • Pat D

            Who is in this mean girls club? It sounds like people I should want to avoid.

    • MannyGeee

      i never said you were incorrect yesterday, in fairness. and your commitment to finding the answer is commendable. however, I am not reading that to say what I thought you said yesterday.

      I *thought* I read your comment to say that if we were to trade for Soriano with cash coming from Chicago, the cash would count towards the cap differently each year. That doesn’t say that at all. All this sentence says is that the cap number is
      hitting Chicago’s books instead of the Yankees. you are still faced with the AAV of the contract minus the cash considerations. For the same reason “Trade A-Rod for a bag of sand” doesn’t help 2014 for us.

      I will apologizing now if i am misremembering your comment, as I am too lazy to go back to read it right now.

      • Pat D

        But you’re motivated enough to post all of this.

        Tsk, tsk.

      • Jerkface

        Are you daft? Read the damn rule.

        An assignor Club that pays cash consideration to defray all or part of the salary obligation of the assignee Club for an assigned Player shall include such cash consideration in its Actual Club Payroll in the Contract Year in which the cash consideration is paid

        Any cash consideration that is, pursuant to the preceding sentence, included in the Actual Club Payroll of the payor Club shall be subtracted from the Actual Club Payroll of the payee Club in the same Contract Year in which it is added to the payor Club’s Actual Club Payroll

        Let me put this in layman’s terms for you: If a club provides cash considerations to defray a player’s salary in a trade, the cash considerations are counted in the club payroll for the year it is paid. If a club is paying cash considerations, the amount is subtracted in equal amounts from the club that is being paid in the year it is being paid.

        ERGO if the Cubs trade Soriano and pay monies, the Yankees luxury tax applicable actual club payroll is

        Soriano’s AAV
        -Cash considerations in the specific year

        The cash considerations can change, the AAV does not.

        Please everyone shut up because you’re all fucking stupid.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Congratulations. You’ve successfully made this more about what a dick you are than about your actual point. That takes talent.

          Take it to LoHud. Maybe they’re smarter there.

      • Jerkface

        I can see how my original statement could be confusing for morons, because there are unsaid assumptions being made (two of which are that you understand the CBA and that I am working off the AAV of Soriano’s deal which is why I put 17 for 2014). Truly, my bad, for thinking you all knew about that stuff.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

          You win the dick of the thread award.

          Not everyone is familiar with all of the ins and outs of the CBA. No need to be a dick about it.

          • Life

            Reading the CBA is all he has going on.

    • Life

      Insecure much?

      • Jerkface

        Why don’t you make like a collective bargaining agreement and get read and analyzed by me in the correct fashion?

        • Pat D

          Is this a putdown? I don’t think it works.