Game 69: Win And Come Home

Novel idea: Hand Mariano Rivera a lead this afternoon. (Victor Decolongon/Getty)

Novel idea: Hand Mariano Rivera a lead this afternoon. (Victor Decolongon/Getty)

The road trip along the Pacific coast has been a nightmare. The Yankees scored six runs in the third inning of the trip, but have been held to just 18 runs in the 87 innings (!) since. That’s a 1.86 ERA for opposing pitchers, and I’m not even going to bother to go back and look to see if any of the runs were unearned. It’s too depressing.

The ten-game trip mercifully ends today with one last game against the Angels in Anaheim. The Yankees have lost five straight but they could head home tonight on a relative high note with a win this afternoon. It won’t be easy with Jered Weaver on the bump for the Halos. Here’s the lineup Joe Girardi is running out there against Jeff’s younger brother:

  1. CF Brett Gardner
  2. RF Ichiro Suzuki
  3. 2B Robinson Cano
  4. DH Travis Hafner
  5. LF Vernon Wells
  6. 1B Lyle Overbay
  7. 3B Jayson Nix
  8. SS Reid Brignac
  9. C Chris Stewart

And on the mound is left-hander CC Sabathia, who finished second to Ichiro in the 2001 AL Rookie of the Year voting.

As you might expect, the weather is perfect in Southern California. First pitch is scheduled for 3:35pm ET and can be seen on YES. Try to enjoy.

Injury Updates: Alex Rodriguez (hip) ran the bases for the first time since surgery yesterday. It was only 75% effort, but it’s still a step forward … Frankie Cervelli (hand) could begin swinging a bat sometime this coming week … Curtis Granderson (hand) will see the doctor at some point in the next few days, but it’s unclear if he’ll have the pin removed from his hand at that time.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. Eddard says:

    If CC is still the ace that we hope he can be he’ll have to stop the bleeding today. He may only get 2 runs support and he’ll have to make them stick. Sox are down right now. Just win and get back home within a couple games of 1st.

  2. Dalek Jeter says:

    I’m feeling a 3-2 victory. Come on guys, For Prussia!!!

  3. forensic says:

    Four straight lefties at the top of the lineup? Wonder who’s the acting manager from now on since Girardi’s head must have exploded after writing that down.

  4. trr says:

    I’m sure it would be easy for the team to pack it in today, the last game of a long, bad trip.
    How about they show us something , show plenty of hustle, plenty of desire and grind out win.
    C’mon guys. Show us something.

  5. mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

    Hope every dad is having as nice a day as I am. Lets hope the Yankees can give us all a nice win for a gift.


  6. Dalek Jeter says:

    For such a genius, Mike Scioscia is an idiot. How is Kendrick not hitting anywhere 1-4? I refuse to believe his OBP is lower than .700 against us, and that his average is below .600. If I had a player on my team that killed the opposition he’d absolutely be batting either lead off, 3rd or clean up.

  7. jjyank says:

    Wait. Why is the Yankee game not showing on my MLB.TV app on my xbox?

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      The radio also isn’t working for Gameday…wtf?! I paid good money for this!! (Or at least I think I did)

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        Never mind, I’m an idiot. I left the radio plugged into the computer from when I was playing music from it before.

  8. Pat D says:

    I have to go to the store. If when I get back something terrible has happened……I’m gonna blame it on you, jj.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      It’s partially his fault, the rest of the fault lays at the feet of you and R-Tills and the 3 of your’s false sense of superiorty


    • jjyank says:

      Why? The Yankee losing streak has coincided with me not watching the games or being in the game threads. If anything, I represent the harbinger of change :)

  9. Henry Krinkle says:

    That Elvis Andrus’ contract may be an albatross if he doesn’t improve his offense.

    • jjyank says:

      I’m surprised they extended him, honestly. I thought for sure they’d trade him and stick Profar at short.

  10. jjyank says:

    Okay, seriously though. MLB.TV on my xbox app is only listing 9 games today. There are 15 games today/tonight, what the hell?

    • jjyank says:

      Weird. I can watch it just fine on my laptop. Which sucks, because I’d obviously rather watch it on my LED TV than my little laptop screen. So lame.

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        What you do is get an HDMI cable. Problem solved.

        • jjyank says:

          Why would I? My xbox is connected to my TV with an HDMI cable and I’ve never had an issue getting the Yankee games on the app there before today. I have no idea why 6 of the games being played today aren’t listed there. It’s very strange.

          • Dalek Jeter says:

            Just unplug your Xbox and plug in your laptop lol.

            • jjyank says:

              Yeah I could do that. Means I can’t comment, though. Just pisses me off that it’s not listed. There’s no reason that it shouldn’t be. First time it’s happened in several years I’ve been doing this.

              • Dalek Jeter says:

                Your laptop doesn’t have the two screen option? When I watch a movie on my laptop I can drag the movie to the TV and then still have my laptop screen as normal…

        • robert says:

          Does anyone know why todays game isn’t on the mlb extra innings tv package?

  11. Get Phelps Up says:

    Wow, I sure didn’t know Michael Kay had kids.

  12. Dalek Jeter says:

    Apparently Gameday’s WCBS feed has been replaced by their spanish feed. Not sure if this diminishes or improves the quality of the broadcast. ( I speak only the most rudimentary spanish)

  13. jjyank says:

    Yay Gardner!

  14. 28 this year says:

    Gardner is basically the only hitter in the lineup

  15. forensic says:

    Ugh, and again they’re bunting one of their only guys actually hitting. I hate this crap…

  16. jjyank says:

    Huh. Ichiro walks. Alright.

  17. Wheels says:

    Would it be too much to ask to get some runs out of this?

  18. Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

    Dalek, that was a very Greg-like comment from you about Kendrick. Kendrick has batted well against CC in his career across… 19 at-bats. And do you really think his performance against other Yankees pitchers over the years is relevant to this game? Maybe Kendrick should be batting in a top spot in the lineup for other reasons, but I don’t think his previous success against the Yankees should be one of them.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      I meant against the Yankees this season, his career, his last couple weeks, and his numbers against CC.

      • Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

        Yeah, all those things seem like things that are not very predictive. His past performance against the Yankees seems irrelevant unless it was against CC or the relievers he’s likely to face, against whom he’s had too few at bats to see anything meaningful. And performance over the past two weeks also isn’t predictive of anything, as study after study has shown that streakiness either doesn’t exist or is a really small effect.

    • forensic says:

      Kendrick is 10-25 (.400) against CC.

      And frankly, the way he hits every pitcher who wears pinstripes, I would almost make it relevant. Sometimes hitters just do better against certain teams.

      • Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

        The stat I looked up said 19 at bats, but either way, that’s not enough to mean anything. And I’m not sure exactly what you mean by “almost relevant,” but that kind of sounds like “not relevant,” which is what I think it is. I disagree that sometimes hitters just do better against certain teams, other than the normal random fluctuation you would expect to see.

  19. Cuso says:

    Yeah, so apparently its gotten so bad that the MLB Extra Innings package that I pay for doesn’t even have the Yankees/Angels game today.

    This is only the second game they haven’t covered this year (excluding blackouts and make-up games). The other game was a Padres-Brewers affair on a get-away day in late April.

  20. forensic says:

    Yay, now Cano can’t GIDP.

  21. pop says:

    cano needs to bring the puddin’

  22. Anderson Silva says:

    it seems like they will score the customary 2 runs early in this game

  23. Dalek Jeter says:

    Why should Wells be hitting, John? He’s been terrible for legitimately a half decade now. By all logic he should be doing exactly what he’s doing now, not what he did in April. And that’s be borderline replacement level.

  24. Anderson Silva says:

    that 2-1 pitch wasn’t even close.. nice umpiring as usual

  25. 28 this year says:

    Great job cano.

  26. forensic says:

    Way to go Cano!

  27. Anderson Silva says:

    middle of the plate, Cano is a joke

  28. teddy says:

    perfect pitched on cano, unfortunel hafner will walk and they won’t score

  29. 28 this year says:

    Well now wells can GIDP.

  30. bobtaco says:

    Who wants to bet Wells hits into a DP?

  31. forensic says:

    I don’t understand why Angels fans are booing Wells now.

    Shouldn’t they be cheering that he’s playing against them for free outs after some other team was dumb enough to trade for him?

  32. 28 this year says:

    I would say I am shocked but I am not.

  33. forensic says:

    I want to be surprised, but I’m just not…

  34. Wheels says:

    Almost getting numb to this at this point.

  35. teddy says:

    a fly ball pitcher, wells grounds into a double play. it’s pretty clear the yanks don’t care about winning

  36. Anderson Silva says:


  37. 28 this year says:

    A contending team should not have Vernon wells batting fifth at all.

  38. SDB says:

    Magnificent. This team is the picture of consistency right now.

    I am looking forward to reading Mike’s recap of the 0-3 loss tonight.

  39. fabricio says:

    wow Wells please take a seat on the bench there has to be someone else to use he’s really atrocious at the plate

  40. SDB says:

    Cano’s really pushing for that giant contract here.

  41. Dalek Jeter says:

    Who wins in a race: Pujols, Jose Molina, or Vernon Wells?

  42. DavidAdamsIsGod says:

    I know I’m not the only one who hates when Kay says “4-4-3″ or “6-6-3″ am I?

  43. Dalek Jeter says:

    How has Adams played his way into the dog house, but neither Ichiro or Wells have?

    • Mouse says:

      It’s the vets vs. young player thang with the Yanks don’t you know already?

    • forensic says:

      He’s a righty, so obviously he’s not allowed to play against righties.

      Wells is a veteran, so no rules apply to him.

      There’s nothing wrong with Ichiro right now considering all the other issues the team has.

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        If Granderson, Jeter, Tex, and A-Rod were here with Robinson Cano actually being Robbie Cano I’d agree that Ichiro not playing well isn’t a big deal, however when everybody else is playing like garbage and he’s being portrayed by the team as an everyday player he has to get grief for not being an everyday player.

        • forensic says:

          Ichiro is playing well, that’s the thing. One of the few guys actually producing something at the plate, and he can actually play defense and run the bases.

          • Dalek Jeter says:

            Wow, he’s actually done pretty well the last month .313/.345/.361…I mean that’s a bit of an empty average. However that speaks to how badly he performed at the beginning of the season because his average is still in the .260s on the season…and the only time he was benched was when Granderson came back for 4 days and Joe was doing a “rotation.”

  44. Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

    As frustrating as it is to watch the offense, I would rather both teams get out of jams than both teams score runs in that inning, so I guess there’s something to be happy about. Plus CC threw 8 fewer pitches than Weaver.

  45. teddy says:

    thats a run if overbay in wells spot

  46. Chris says:

    I had a dream last night they were down 5-0 in the second. I can’t even escape this team in my sleep.

  47. forensic says:

    LOL! Thanks guys!

  48. Dalek Jeter says:

    Ma and Pa are completely clueless they’re going on and on about how Jered Weaver is a “different pitcher” than he was last year, even though he’s always been a high 80s to maybe 91.

  49. Anderson Silva says:

    this is the type of team that’s going to sweep the Yankees. Pathetic.

  50. The Doctor says:

    As someone who lives in Southern California (some of the year anyway, college in NYC), I find the comment about perfec weather a bit funny. It’s honestly foggy more often than not here, our weather reputation is hardly deserved.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      If you study in NYC but you grew up in Southern California, then compared to NY winters how can you say fogginess isn’t great?

    • Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

      Really? Where do you live? I lived in LA for a while, and it was rarely if ever cloudy or foggy from around April through October, and even in the other months it was mostly sunny.

  51. forensic says:

    Nix is now 0-9 with 7 K’s against Weaver.

    Gardner was about there too, but he’s obviously on a different level than Nix ability-wise.

  52. Dalek Jeter says:

    Hey, we got Howey Kendrick out. That means we win right?!

  53. Anderson Silva says:

    Seriously, why keep pitching him outside? It’s hard hit ball after hard hit ball when they pitch him outside.

  54. OldYanksFan says:

    Well, at least the O’s are ahead of the Sox by 3, 7th inning.

  55. forensic says:

    Hey Dalek, Strasburg lost again today in his return. He’s only 3-6. I can’t believe how badly he’s pitching.


  56. ExitCashman says:

    Epic battle between the NY Yankees’ Generic White Guy Replacement Team versus the LA/California/Anaheim/LA aka Disneyland Underachievers.

    Will the White Guys score 2 again? Or will the absence of Tex spur “The B Team” to greater heights?

    “I pity the fool…” Mr. T

  57. forensic says:

    Nice Gardy!

    They can’t really screw this up again, can they? Can They???

  58. Eddard says:

    Here’s their shot to get CC’s 2 runs. He has to make them stick.

  59. Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

    Fighting against prostate cancer is great, but Mike Milken was a massive criminal who made over a billion dollars through his illegal activities that defrauded other people (and got to keep most of it because they couldn’t catch him on everything he did). What he’s done since then has been great, but we shouldn’t forget what he did or the fact that his net worth is still in the billions because of it.

    • Wheels says:

      Can’t they stop the interview during this potential rally? Like anyone is paying attention to what’s being said

  60. Anderson Silva says:

    they can’t blow another opportunity like this one, can they?

  61. ExitCashman says:

    Michael Milken is being interviewed? Who is singing God Bless America, Bernie Madoff?

  62. Robert says:

    They rushed back Tex and Youk. Hafner,Wells and Ichiro are tired old vets.
    The farm system is the Sahara desert of position players.
    When you go from 1 owner to 5 owners(Geoge’s wife and 4 children)this is what we get.
    Come September the Stadium will be lucky to draw 20,000.

    Hal will get booed on Mariano Rivera day and hopefully sell the Team over the winter!!!!!
    Now they are spinning Jeter and AROD to the rescue……

    Just very frustrated right now!!!!

  63. The Real Greg says:

    And they are on their way

  64. Dalek Jeter says:

    smh…swing the fucking bat. That’s the second time taking a strike 3 right down the middle.

  65. Anderson Silva says:

    Another one right down the middle.

  66. forensic says:

    What is with this team seemingly always striking out looking? It’s like they’re either too aggressive going after the first pitch or too conservative trying to take too much.

    I know how obvious that sounds, but it’s like they can’t find the happy medium.

  67. Eddard says:

    They’ll pitch around Robbie and attack Hafner.

  68. The Real Greg says:

    It’s gonna happen.

  69. robert says:

    Again, does anyone know why this game isn’t on the extra innings package? Tues isn’t either btw

  70. ExitCashman says:

    This team would fold without Cano…

  71. forensic says:

    Thank you for proving my point about swinging at the first pitch one AB after a batter was too conservative.

    Nicely done as always Cano! Way to step up and really be the best player on the team!

  72. Anderson Silva says:

    Cano is a joke

  73. John says:

    They’re going to not score again, aren’t they?

  74. Dalek Jeter says:

    Man…when did watching (or in my case listening) to baseball stop being fun?

  75. John says:


  76. Eddard says:


  77. Dalek Jeter says:


  78. forensic says:

    Wait, the ball went over the wall in play. What does that mean???

  79. The Real Greg says:


  80. Wheels says:

    About fucking time, Hafner.

  81. Ethan says:

    Keep the Cancer guy in the booth for the rest of the game!!!

  82. Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

    Wow. I can’t believe they called that one. And after everyone was ready to give up again.

  83. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Thanks, Pronk.
    Desperately needed that.

  84. Ron says:

    Omg life. Is this a dream or a replay of April.

  85. Get Phelps Up says:

    Be honest, who thought Pronk was going to make an out there?

  86. flamingo says:


  87. Anderson Silva says:


  88. ExitCashman says:

    OMG!!!! Tom Petty said it best “Even the losers get lucky sometimes.

  89. Dave M says:

    Thank God for the Pronx Bomber and his $20,000 homer!

  90. Jacob the OG says:

    Best thing about that homerun? It was worth 20k for cancer research

    • Pat D says:

      Yea, which Milken could have donated ten times over back when he was swindling people.

      • RetroRob says:

        True, but the current doesn’t forgive the negative of the past, the past also doesn’t negate the positive of the present.

        • Pat D says:

          I’m entitled to my opinions.

          Oh, and the guy is being investigated by the SEC right now.

          • RetroRob says:

            Of course you are. I wouldn’t suggest otherwise!

            My point is people want to categorize other people and make them fit in buckets. Good bucket. Bad bucket. Some people exist in both.

            • Pat D says:

              Hey, his philanthropic work is great and all, but he stole millions and millions of dollars, didn’t serve much jail time, got off on the racketeering and insider trading charges, and probably only fronts this foundation because he had the disease himself. He had foundations while he was a big shot, but still.

              And like I said, he might have violated his securities ban, hence why the SEC is investigating him. How deliciously ironic it would be if they found he did and they dragged him back to jail.

              Oh, that’s right, we don’t actually prosecute white collar criminals. Thank you for that, Presidents Reagan, Clinton and Bush II.

  91. RetroRob says:

    Rally Killer.


  92. Dalek Jeter says:

    What is this number in the runs column?! I’m confused!!!

  93. Eddard says:

    Now CC has to make those 3 runs stick for at least 7 innings. Stop the bleeding.

  94. forensic says:

    Weaver gave up a hit to Wells after giving up a hit to Hafner?

    Might as well just bring in the bullpen, clearly he’s got nothing.

  95. The Real Greg says:


  96. Dalek Jeter says:


  97. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    So I guess Michael Milken hasn’t paid any attention to Yankee baseball since early April.
    Or he thinks 229/273/383 is a great comeback from 230/279/403.

  98. Wheels says:

    The bats are awake!

  99. forensic says:

    Thank you Mike Scioscia for being so brilliant as to play Bourjos in CF instead of Trout.

    • Pat D says:

      Trout’s been pretty bad defensively this year.

      • RetroRob says:

        I did notice his defensive ratings, if correct, shows him below average. Since he was an exceptional defender in CF, to me it confirms they never should have moved their star player to LF. I’d have put Bourjos there.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

          fwiw, the DRS and UZR both have Trout being well above average in LF this year, but horribly below average in 386 CF innings.

          Obvious defensive metric SSS issues apply of course.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

            *nevermind, only UZR has him above average in LF, and only slightly

        • Pat D says:

          He’s been rated bad in both positions.

  100. Get Phelps Up says:

    Who needs Tex?

    /mick taylor

  101. Pat D says:

    Just one more run and they’re guaranteed to win.

  102. Anderson Silva says:

    hey there, they look like a real offence

  103. Mike Axisa says:

    Go Generic White Guys go.

  104. forensic says:

    That was among the least graceful baserunning trip from 2nd to home in history.

  105. Get Phelps Up says:

    Even the Baseball Player gets in on the action!

  106. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    And more Runs!!!!!

  107. Dalek Jeter says:


  108. Anderson Silva says:

    the Angels are awful defensively! I’ll take it

    • The Doctor says:

      What? I mean they’ve had their issues in the infield but the fact that Bourjos even touched that ball was impressive.

  109. Pat D says:

    Don’t worry. This game is over. The Yankees have won.

  110. Dalek Jeter says:

    Oh, what the fuck Nix?!

  111. ExitCashman says:

    Every game, Nix does something noteworthy.

  112. forensic says:

    What the fuck was that Nix???

  113. The Real Greg says:

    I could care less that Nix got picked off. THEY SCORED 5 RUNS

  114. Wheels says:

    What was that Nix?

  115. Anderson Silva says:

    Nix lol.. what a professional ball player

  116. The Real Greg says:

    Really you’re all complaining about Jason Nix when this moribund offense gives you 5 runs. WOW

  117. Jacob the OG says:

    What is that funny looking symbol on the scoreboard next to the “NYY”? Greek? Latin?

  118. fabricio says:

    yessss offense!!!!!!!!

  119. forensic says:

    They scored more runs in that one inning than they had in any GAME in a week and a half.

  120. Jacob the OG says:


  121. Get Phelps Up says:

    I just saw that the Rangers have scored 2 runs in 31 innings against the dreadful Blue Jays pitching staff. At home too!

    • forensic says:

      Currently being shutout by Wang.

      Cashman failed…

      • Duh Injuries says:

        Cashman is an overrated twit.

        Worthwhile players who are currently big club Yankees developed under him by part of the team:

        Rotation: No one. Hughes is an overpaid fifth starter and Phelps has barely pitched.

        Bullpen: Robertson. Chamberlain has been by and large a disappointment, the bullpen equivalent of Hughes. Clairborne has barely pitched for the Yankees.

        Bench: No one

        Starting Nine: Cano, Gardner

        So if he traded Robertson, Cano, Gardner in a mega-trade, he’d have NO players developed by him who’d make an impact on the big club.

        He was definitely preoccupied with his psycho-bitch ex-mistress stalker and the legal beatdown his wife gave him in divorce court.

        Cashman looks like the guy John Candy and Jim Belushi had in their paddywagon in “Only The Lonely” LOL.

    • TomH says:

      It’s possible that the Jays may be putting themselves together.

      I think Wang is pitching for them today.

  122. Pat D says:

    Since I’ve already posted one long YouTube clip, here’s another that is sure to make GOT viewers smile.

    But you’ve probably seen it already, too.


    • Dalek Jeter says:

      This is awesome. The music is…meh, and I’m upset they didn’t include the like three or four other times he slapped Joffrey, but beggars can’t be choosers.

      • Pat D says:

        Well that video was made back in 2011, so wasn’t that pre-other slaps?

        Also, you have an issue with Zeppelin?

        • Dalek Jeter says:

          Just that it doesn’t seem to fit, and yeah 2011 is pre-other slaps.

          My favorite is when he says something threatening to Joff after Joff becomes King and when Joff says I can have you killed for that he slaps him across the face and says “Now I’ve struck a king.”

  123. Jacob the OG says:

    Who is this Travis Hafner and why did he run home during an at-bat?

  124. Wheels says:

    Has Brignac ever done anything at the plate?

  125. Pat D says:

    Yay, my first guess for trivia was right!

  126. Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

    The Milken Institute spends something like $15 million per year (http://think-tanks.findthedata.....tute-spend). If Mike Milken just used his own money instead of doing fundraising, it would take around 60 years for him to spend what he made with his illegal activities. And he wouldn’t need to interrupt baseball games to do it.

  127. Duh Injuries says:

    “5-0 on the Benjamin Moore scoreboard…the Yankees are painting a 5-0 lead.”

    - Michael Kay a few moments ago

    He is insufferable. When oh when is YES gonna get rid of him?

    • TomH says:

      Why would they do that? He’s only unpopular around here.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

        False. I know plenty of fans who’ve never heard of RAB who can’t stand Michael Kay.
        Personally, I don’t have a big problem with him, but I know many who do.

    • jjyank says:

      To be fair, Kay literally has to say those things. And replacement of his would also have to say things like that. It sounds to me (based off this comment) that it’s the world of advertising that you don’t like.

    • Pat D says:


    • The Real Greg says:

      Could be worse.

      We could have Mr. “DANG GUM IT”

    • Wheels says:

      He’s told to say that. There’s a difference.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      If you listen to other teams play by play announcers (like the Yankees opponent’s) you’ll appreciate Kay a lot more. He’s a pretty good announcer in the grand scheme of things.

      • forensic says:

        Completely agree. I like Kay regardless, but there are a ton of worse announcers out there. And I’m just talking about other TV announcers, let’s not even get into other radio announcers.

        • ExitCashman says:

          I disagree. Kay is among the worst. He’s loud, egotistical and annoying. He models himself after Ted Leitner in San Diego obviously. A professional ZERO.

  128. Jacob the OG says:

    I guess Gardy thinks 5 runs is enough to not hustle

  129. nsalem says:

    mel and todd

  130. OldYanksFan says:

    Boids beat the Sox 6-3. Now 1 1/2 games out. Toronto ‘only’ 5 games under .500. The AL East will be really tight.

  131. Jacob the OG says:

    This is too good to be true! In about 5 minutes some troll will pop up and rant about how we are doing this against a terrible angels team etc, etc…

  132. jjyank says:

    Say what you will about A-Rod and his contract, but I think I’d rather have that than Pujols and his contract.

    Not that they’re in any way related, just the thought that popped into my mind watching his at bat.

    • The Real Greg says:

      You should see him run. That’ll change your mind.

    • forensic says:

      A-Rod’s is MUCH closer to being done than Pujols’. That alone puts it in his favor.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

        idk, Pujols has an extra 4 year’s, and his contract is backloaded.
        I think I’d almost rather ARod’s deal, even if he never plays another game.

        • forensic says:

          I agree, that’s part of what my comment was saying. I was saying it being almost done puts it in A-Rod’s favor.

          • jjyank says:

            I understood your original comment, and I agree. But even if the contracts happened side by side chronologically, I think I’d still take A-Rod. Year two of A-Rod’s contract is a lot better than year two of Pujols’ contract by a long shot.

      • RetroRob says:

        Closer to being done as a productive ball player, or closer to his contract being done.

        If forced to choose, I would take A-Rod’s bad contract over Pujols’ now.

      • jjyank says:

        True. I guess my point is that A-Rod at least had a few elite years after signing and basically carried the Yankee offense to a championship in the first years of his contract. Pujols is declining and dealing with injuries much earlier into the contract. And at a less premium positions, too.

  133. Get Phelps Up says:

    Big props to the Royals for taking 3/4 from the Rays.

  134. The Real Greg says:

    When did Jered Weaver become R.A. Dickey?

  135. Dalek Jeter says:

    This is a game to remember. Not only are the Yankees scoring runs off of a very good pitcher, and walking against a guy who doesn’t walk people…Ichiro has walked. Not once, but twice!!!!

    • Pat D says:

      This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of Kenobi, it will soon see the end of the Rebel…………..I mean, yea, what you said.

  136. The Real Greg says:

    Kay either just slurred the name Girardi or called him Torre

  137. forensic says:

    Ichiro’s legs must be feeling good lately.

    Or the Angels just suck at holding and throwing out runners.

    Or both…

  138. Pat D says:

    Don Mattingly: Most Overrated Yankee?

    • The Real Greg says:

      Meh. Kind of. But that’s only because of his back.

    • Wheels says:

      No way! Maybe Jeter?

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      I never saw either play, but off the top of my head (regardless of what he did for race relations and the Yankees) I’d say Elston Howard.

    • Jacob the OG says:

      Depends on what you mean by overrated

    • forensic says:

      Depends on how you shape it.

      If you’re going for anyone who’s worn a Yankee uniform, you could even go for someone like Maris or Jackson who didn’t spend long in NY but is treated as if they did.

      If you’re going for the real longtime Yankees, then it brings a different group into it.

    • trr says:

      Billy Martin. His number is retired why? Because he killed himself in a drunk driving accident?

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Interesting pick. I can run with that more than I can run with some of the picks I’ve seen above. It does feel more like notoriety than anything else if you really stop and think.

        I don’t Mattingly was overrated – at all – for what it’s worth. His peak was ridiculous, and he was the defining Yankee of his era.

    • RetroRob says:

      Whenever a player becomes idolized he’s almost a sure lock he will be overrated. Based on that, players like Mattingly, Jeter, Munson and, yes, even Mo are overrated by segments of fans and the media. As great as Mo is, there are people who suggest he’s one of the greatest pitchers ever. He’s not simply because he’s limited by being a reliever.

      Paul O’Neill is also in the overrated category. He was a fine ballplayer, but nowhere near as great as fans want to make him out to be.

  139. forensic says:

    The first good thing the Angels announcers have ever said:

    “Ichiro with a Willie Mays Hayes slide there. Never got back to the bag.”

  140. Dalek Jeter says:

    Even though I’ve all but wrapped up a 13-3 victory I keep refreshing the match-up page because I’ve had such an awful season I’m expecting bad things.

  141. The Doctor says:

    Not the best of luck there. Oh well. CC just needs to keep on dealin and it’ll be fine.

  142. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:


  143. The Real Greg says:

    Yankees need to pitch Kendrick inside. All of his hits have gone the opposite way.

  144. RobA says:

    Hey guys, Jays fan here, just wanted to pop by and thank ya’ll for that Wang guy.

    Havent been following the Yanks too much, but wow, your rotation must be doing great if a guy like that couldnt even fit on the 40 man.

    Congrats! ;)

  145. Anderson Silva says:

    here we go, no command CC

  146. Dalek Jeter says:


  147. forensic says:

    He looked safe by a mile at 2nd. Don’t like that decision by Nix. You’re up 5, just take the easier play at 1st.

  148. The Real Greg says:


  149. ExitCashman says:

    Making up for the bad call at 3B yesterday?

  150. Anderson Silva says:

    what a blown call.. those umps really suck

    • The Doctor says:

      They owe us for that call yesterday, but yeah that’s just awful. Think the umps are getting too old or something? It’s really a league wide.

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        There’s no real oversight for Umps. Once they get into the league they are basically set for life.

  151. Dalek Jeter says:

    He better not be hurt.

  152. Dalek Jeter says:

    If CC could walk 2 more guys on his way to his CGSO while not striking out any more than 4 more my Fantasy team would be incredibly grateful.

  153. The Real Greg says:

    Kay. come on that was basically a can of corn.

  154. Andy says:

    Farthest Gardner has hit the ball in his career?

    • The Doctor says:

      You’re not watching many games this year are you?

      • forensic says:

        I click on that expecting to see an awesome Gardner homerun, but instead see an error message and a GIF with the ball going off of Jose Canseco’s head.

        I would say I’m disappointed, but that’s always a good one to see too.

        • forensic says:

          Then I get to see Matt Holliday have the ball hit him in the junk instead of catching it and then a Yankees pitcher (who’s face I can’t place yet) having a ball thrown back to him hit him in the head.

          I could click this thing all day…

  155. Dalek Jeter says:

    Didn’t Gardner do the same to Burjos or Trout yesterday?

    • The Doctor says:

      I was siting righ in that area so you’d think I’d know that happened, but due to the awful design if Angel Stadium, I couldn’t see. Hell I thought Gardner had hit a homer yesterday but I didn’t see where the ball landed.

  156. TomH says:

    Line on Wang: 7 ip / 7 hits / 5 K / 2 bb / 0 runs


  157. Anderson Silva says:

    This game is very entertaining. I had almost forgotten what a win looked like.

  158. Anderson Silva says:

    We even get a Cano double today.. great!

  159. Get Phelps Up says:

    CC brought his ace costume today.

  160. Wheels says:

    Good job Wells

  161. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I’m not going to scroll up. Just tell me there’s been no reason for Greg to play the unhappy card today.

    I did notice Plouffy’s been listening to the Smiths today, though. Are the two related?

  162. Pat D says:

    OK, I literally fell asleep right after I posted my Mattingly/overrated comment.

    To follow up/respond:

    By overrated, I guess I mean, overall performance relative to actual contributions to the team and place amongst the greats of the game. I think.

    Elston Howard: yea, maybe. Somewhat hard to judge due to the unique/late start to his career, that he still had to split time with Yogi, and that he didn’t play a lot of games per year, relative to some others. Interesting fact. Howard had three 5+ bWAR seasons, Mattingly only had four (though three of those were over 6, so, not really saying much).

    Billy Martin: well his number was retired due to a combination of his performance as a player and a manager as well as due to his tragic end. So it’s a tough comparison. I think he’s remembered more for his managing than his playing. But he was damned good in the World Series (.333/.371/.566 in 105 PA).

    Roger Maris/Reggie Jackson: could very well make that argument. Both guys had their numbers retired for one thing: a record and a game, respectively. I’ll come back to these guys later.

    Derek Jeter: uh, no. Jeter will finish his career as the 2nd or 3rd best shortstop ever, depending where you rank Cal Ripken. Mattingly may not be Top 20 all time at first base, I’d have to think harder than I’m willing to right now.

    I guess I always think about this because I was a Dave Winfield fan. My older sister loved Mattingly, so for whatever reason I gravitated toward Winfield when I became a fan. I think this is a divisive question for people who followed the team in the 80′s. Supposedly the Mattingly/Winfield race for the batting title in 1984 divided the club house. Seems that fans are just as divided. That being said, I know Mattingly is much more popular. I think it’s because he was homegrown, to start with. Also, unlike Maris, Jackson, Paul O’Neill, Tino Martinez, other non-homegrown 90′s dynasty guys, Winfield never had that signature moment for the Yankees. Despite his consistency for all those years, he’s still most remembered for the 1-for-22 in the 1981 WS. And probably killing that seagull in Toronto. He was killed for not being as clutch as Reggie.

    So I’ve always had that slight grudge against Mattingly when he’s so beloved compared to my favorite player when their contributions to the team were roughly equal.

    Thanks for all the replies.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Billy and Reggie, and I only say Reggie because his time as a Yankee was so brief.

      Get Donnie Baseball out of here, Pat. I’m not going to stand for this.

      • Pat D says:

        Sorry, but I disagree with you assessment that his peak was “ridiculous.” He only truly had 5 really good years. I’m sure if I look hard enough, I can find plenty of guys with similar, brief peaks who aren’t regarded nearly as highly.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          Zip it, Pat. I’m not having this kind of tomfoolery here.

          • jjyank says:

            Now, I’m a bit young for Donnie. But, correct me if I’m wrong, a lot of the high regards of his peak has to do with the fact that he was a bright spot in a dark time for the Yankees. Am I relaying history correctly there? Maybe Yankee fans do overrate him because of that.

            Again, I don’t remember seeing him play, as he retired when I was like, 7. But this is coming from the son of a father who designates Mattingly as his last “favorite player”.

            • Manny's BanWagon says:

              Mattingly was magnificent. He was on the highway to the HOF until he injured his back. IMO, he wasn’t overrated in the least.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              I do strongly believe in the concept of “top Yankee of your generation,” which I believe Mattingly certainly was. I don’t think his career necessarily puts him in the top 10 Yanks of all time, or that he had a HOF career, but he defined the Yankees in 1980′s, as you could say a guy like Murcer may have defined the late 60′s and early 70′s. I think this offers players like this, who aren’t necessarily all-time greats, a different sort of status.

              The 80′s weren’t necessarily dark all the time, but they sure were silly and often annoying.

              • jjyank says:

                To be clear (and this is directed at MBW above as well), I’m not saying that Mattingly is the most overrated Yankee. Just trying to rationalize. It’d certainly name him over the guy that named Jeter, though.

                • Manny's BanWagon says:

                  Looking at Mattinglys stat after the last 25 years of PED enhancement, juiced baseballs and bandbox ballparks doesn’t do them justice. He was a great hitter, an all time elite defensive 1st basemen and as much a leader and quality person and true Yankee as Jeter is today.

                  He was truly a joy to watch day in and day out.

                  • Pat D says:

                    One thing Mattingly and Winfield have in common: both won a bunch of Gold Gloves and both have pretty bad dWAR numbers on BRef.

          • Pat D says:

            Wait a second. We’re disagreeing about something?

            OMG. OMG! What are the trolls out there going to think? Are we making their heads explode?

            Gee, I hope so. :)

    • Cuso says:

      When he retired, he had the 2nd best Fielding percentage all-time among first baseman in the game. In 5 years when certain people retire, he’ll be back up to fourth. The only three people above him will be Garvey, Mientciwicz and Travis Lee. Mattingly’s offensives numbers dwarf Doug and Travis’ offensives numbers, plus Mattingly was a full-time player for 14 years and the best player in the AL for 5 years.

      Therefore, at a MINIMUM Mattingly is one of “the best 20 first basement of all time.”

      I liked Winfield, too. But your personal grudges against Mattingly render your coloring oof his career flawed.

      He’s not a HOF’er. But you’re not being objective at all on how good he was.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        In other words, Pat, we’re transferring the bag of dicks to your house…..and I know what town you live in.

      • Pat D says:

        You’re probably right that my preference for Winfield does hurt Mattingly in my eyes, I’m not going to deny that possibility.

        I think your assessment that his fielding percentage alone would put him in the top 20 all time, and I also don’t think he was the best player in the AL for five years. There were guys like Clemens, Boggs, Ripken, Murray, Trammell, Yount, Molitor, and a few others who could potentially lay claim to that.

        • Manny's BanWagon says:

          You still pissed about Yankee fans booing Winfield when he and Mattingly were going head to head for the batting crown?

          • Pat D says:

            No. I wasn’t quite old enough to care yet. It’s one of those things that in retrospect bothered me when I learned of it. They played for the same team. Why are you booing one of them?

        • Cuso says:

          Mattingly was the best player from 1984-1985.

          You’d have a hard time making the case for any pitcher making the claim to being the best player in the league for a 5 year period. I can’t think of any time peril in the history of the game where that consideration was given to a pitcher.

          Wade Bogged had the best batting average during that time. One dimensional.

          Yount and Ripken had 2 or 3 below average offensives lines during that time period.

          Molitor missed over 200 gamed due to injury between 84 and 89.

          Trammell was old and overshadowed by Fipken at that point in his career. After 1984, his offensives stats were near league average forshortstops.

          Frankly, the person you could’ve mentioned that would’ve made the best case would’ve been Kirby Puckett.

    • RetroRob says:

      I just replied above. I was a fan of both Mattingly and Winfield. I do remember there was an attempt by some to imply racism on Mattingly’s popularity compared to Winfield’s, or why fans were rooting for Mattingly during the batting race and not Winfield. Too simplistic and ignores the normal responses of fans to root for their own players (i.e. homegrown) compared to imported free agents signed for millions. As a fan, I loved both. Rickey Henderson, too!

      Reggie is an interesting case as an overall ballplayer, and his time as a Yankee. He was overrated when he played based on the press clippings he’d receive, yet eventually because of a counter reaction to that and his general douchebaggery, he became underrated as a ballplayer. Give me a free agent who produces a 150 OPS+ for five years on the team, and brings a couple World Series titles, with one of the most historic World Series ever while under immense pressure. He performed.

      Now if you’re talking about having his number retired, I’m with you. I would unretired multiple numbers, including Reggies, Martin’s (the worst of them) Guidry, etc. And Posada, Bernie and Andy would never have their numbers retired. Mo and Jeter, that’s it.

  163. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Nix! Nix! Nix!

    Greg, it’s you and me, baby.

  164. Pat D says:

    Is there some kind of avocado lobby that has bought control of Subway or something?

  165. Robinson Tilapia says:

    If we win today, is it REALLY a 4-6 road trip? Why would it feel like a 1-9 road trip?

  166. Manny's BanWagon says:

    Did Michael Kay sat Will Myers is definitely being called up this week because I didn’t read that anywhere else.

  167. The Doctor says:

    No dammit hold him at 2nd. There’s something much more satisfying about a CGSHO.

  168. forensic says:

    Angels announcers on Mo’s retirement: “Though he hasn’t really made it official yet, just sort of alluded to it.”

    “It’s official now,” Rivera said. “After this year I’ll be retired.”

    So, him saying it’s official doesn’t make it official???

    • RetroRob says:

      Did they actually say that?

      I mean, any player can say he’s going to retire and then change his mind. I was not surprised with Pettitte came back because he was torn. Yet I have no doubt Mo is retiring and will stay retired. Many players lack a purpose and don’t know what they want to do post their player careers. I don’t have any sense of that at all with Rivera. Just the opposite. He knows what he wants to do next with his life.

  169. forensic says:

    And now they apparently have Preston Claiborne wearing a David Robertson costume…

  170. The Doctor says:

    Is this really necessary? I mean yeah he looks tired but the 2 runs on are meaningless, I have no doubt he can finish the game, and this is a waste of bullets for Robertson.

    • The Real Greg says:

      Yankees need this win BADLY. Don’t mess around.

      • The Doctor says:

        I mean yeah I guess, I just don’t know if it’s the best idea. Granted this is going into an off day so it’s not big deal for Robertson, didn’t think about that. I just really wanted to see him close it out.

        And yeah that worked out great.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:


    • forensic says:

      Of course it’s not necessary, but it’s typical/predictable Girardi. And of course, he already has Mo warming before Robertson has even thrown a pitch.

  171. Pat D says:

    Always love it when the TV can’t pixelate out a guy clearly saying “Fuck.”

    A decidedly non-ace like performance from the non-ace today.

  172. jjyank says:

    Bummer he couldn’t finish it, but great job, CC. We needed to see that from you. I’ve only been watching in and out, but I saw him hit 94 a few times too. Good stuff. Close this out and enjoy the win.

  173. The Real Greg says:


  174. Dalek Jeter says:

    fuck god damnit mother fucker he better not be hurt.

    Just one game. With a god damned win and no injuries that’s all I’m fucking asking!!

  175. forensic says:

    That’s gonna leave a mark…

  176. The Real Greg says:

    It’s actually a good thing that Girardi had Mo warming up immediately…

  177. Pat D says:

    Love that this guy’s name is Shuck. Not at all the name of a ballplayer.

  178. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I’m actually glad Mo is warming up. Of course, a goddamn grand slam would still have the Yanks with the lead.

  179. The Doctor says:

    Great. Love 3 strike walks.

  180. forensic says:

    Want to measure Josh Hamilton’s impact this season? It took me until one out in the 9th inning to realize he’s not even playing today. And I only got it then because the announcers were talking about him getting a PH opportunity.

    • SDB says:

      Says enough that Brad Hawpe (sorry, but WHO?) was sent to pinch hit ahead of him as the tying run with one out remaining.

  181. Pat D says:

    Still waiting for the Yankeeography’s of Bill Dickey, Red Ruffing, Lefty Gomez, Joe McCarthy, Miller Huggins (I think), Jacob Ruppert…

    • RetroRob says:

      I would love more Yankkography’s, or just some specials period, on old time Yankee players.

      • Pat D says:

        I guess they think they can’t produce an hour long special on those guys since they’ve been dead for so long? I have to think they could if they really tried.

  182. RetroRob says:

    Rivera absolutely should be in this game.

  183. The Real Greg says:

    The Cavalcade of Cash and Prizes!

  184. SDB says:

    Aw jeez. This is not good for my nerves.

  185. forensic says:

    I really could’ve done without this…

  186. The Doctor says:

    A bloop.

    Just unbelievable.

  187. The Real Greg says:


  188. flamingo says:

    This game needs to end already.

  189. The Doctor says:


    I cannot take these umpires for one more minute.

  190. forensic says:

    Ok, one more out please, any time now…

  191. Pat D says:

    Death by bloop is like death by tray in the Death Star canteen.

  192. The Doctor says:


    I can’t deal with this anymore.

  193. trr says:

    C’mon Mo!

  194. SDB says:

    Enough of these bloops!

  195. forensic says:

    Is this really happening???

    • The Doctor says:

      I have never in all my years seen this many bloop singles in a row to keep a game alive.

      Should’ve just kept CC in honestly. He would’ve been out of it just fine.

  196. The Doctor says:

    Three straight bloops. What is even happening now?

  197. Ethan says:


  198. flamingo says:

    …This is not pretty.

  199. Anderson Silva says:

    they are going to lose this game..

  200. 28 this year says:

    I pray now to the BABIP gods. No more bloops

  201. trr says:

    There is no one- and i mean no one – who is victimized more by cheap hits than Mariano Rivera

  202. RetroRob says:

    Was Mo given presents today? Tell me he wasn’t given presents today by the opposing team!!

    • SDB says:

      He’s not getting presents from the umpires, that’s for sure.

      Heck, he’s not getting strikes that are in the zone.

  203. SDB says:

    Oh christ.

    I do not believe this.

  204. The Doctor says:

    Mo has thrown 4 strikes that have been called balls.

    You don’t do that when umping for a guy of this caliber.

  205. Pat D says:

    I’m gonna walk away and see if that helps.

    • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

      Thank you it did.

      • Pat D says:

        Yes, yes it did. Next time I won’t ignore the dogs for so long when they have to go out.

        But in my defense, they’d been out maybe half an hour ago, so they’re being bad today.

  206. Anderson Silva says:

    Mo looks like shit.

    • The Doctor says:

      He’s gotten weak contact 4 times in a row. He’s not even pitching badly, the complete lack of luck is just unbelievable.

      • Chris says:

        I’m just watching this inning an hour later, but the first hit to right wasn’t really a bloop to me. It looked like he just shortened up and tried to do that. The second bloop, yes. That was a trademark bloop. Bloop…Bloop

  207. forensic says:

    That first pitch was a gift strike. Thank you.

    • The Doctor says:

      Ironically he was calling pitches a good 6″ closer to the center of the plate balls earlier. Just unbelievably inconsistent.

  208. The Real Greg says:


  209. SDB says:


    I need a drink after that.

  210. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Escape from the stadium immediately before they change their mind and score again.

  211. Get Phelps Up says:

    Wow fuck Anaheim. Thank god we won that.

  212. jjyank says:

    Holy shit. Did not that expect that stress half an hour ago. But a win is a win is a win.

  213. flamingo says:


  214. Pat D says:

    See? Mo was just toying with everybody. He wanted to prove to everyone how far Pujols has declined.

  215. forensic says:

    Thank you for that horrible AB Pujols. They needed all the help they could get apparently.

    I don’t believe that inning. So frustrating…

  216. Anderson Silva says:

    damn that was close, thankfully they won

  217. Rich says:

    Hey trolls. Maybe the outfield can realize its Mariano Fucking Rivera and he does not give up line drives. I am so tried of Vernon Wells running to get a bloop hit. PLAY SHALLOWER

  218. trr says:

    Jesus H. Christ!
    A win is a win is a win

  219. Ethan says:

    Wow and good riddance.

  220. mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

    GOD is merciful!!!!

  221. Pat D says:

    Still undefeated when scoring 5+ runs.

  222. RetroRob says:

    I feel like a need a shot of Jack now.

    Good to have a win.

    One final comment. Winfield was overrated!

  223. Get Phelps Up says:

    I’m glad I don’t have to find another 2011 game thread to post. :)

  224. The Doctor says:

    My neck hurts just from watching that. I need Advil and a Xanax. AND a drink. I’ll be fine.

  225. Ethan says:

    I’m surprised the strikezone was much better than I thought:


    • The Doctor says:

      Oh it was very good most of the game. He completely lost it in the 9th though. I understand it’s hard to call Rivera’s cutter but Jesus Christ.

  226. The Doctor says:

    And that game was a perfect example of why modern sabermetrics are more accurate than traditional stats. Those 3 pathetic bloops count for a hit, the balls Gardner and Wells nearly smashed out of the park go as outs.

  227. fabricio says:

    after that nail biter we all need a stiff drink

  228. teddy says:

    rivera whip is like 1.30 and i bet 12 hits he gave have been bloop

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