Game 78: Rubber Game

(Mike Stobe/Getty)

(Mike Stobe/Getty)

The Yankees had a chance to clinch of the series and a winning homestand last night, but they were unable to come through despite the best efforts of the offense. Today’s rubber game pretty much determines if this is a good homestand or a bad one, and the Yankees could definitely use a good one given the nightmare West Coast trip they just returned from. Just find a way to win, there are no style points. Here’s the lineup that will face left-hander Derek Holland:

  1. CF Ichiro Suzuki
  2. SS Jayson Nix
  3. DH Robinson Cano
  4. RF Vernon Wells
  5. LF Zoilo Almonte
  6. 1B Lyle Overbay
  7. 2B David Adams
  8. 3B Alberto Gonzalez
  9. C Austin Romine

And on the mound is the 2007 Kevin Lawn Award winners, right-hander Phil Hughes. That award is given annually to the best pitcher in the Yankees’ farm system.

The weather is pretty great in New York, though it is hot with some humidity. No clouds or threat of rain, however. This afternoon’s game is scheduled to start at 1:05pm ET and can be seen on YES locally and MLB Network nationally. Enjoy.

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  1. trr says:

    OMG that lineup, with Hughes on the mound.
    I never sound like this, but maybe we should just write this one off now

  2. PhillyMatt says:

    Let’s get started on a positive note: Eric Jagielo strikes out swinging in 1st at bat for GCL Yankees today.
    bust, cashman failed, fire the entire scouting department,blah, blah, blah, yadda,yadda, yadda, giggity, giggity

    Ah, that feels better.

    Did I do it right?

  3. Bavarian Yankee says:

    It’s the first game since mid May that I’ll be able to watch live, so I can tell you I’m not too happy about that lineup.

  4. Travis L. says:

    Is anyone else having trouble seeing the chat? I have a large blank square. LOL.

  5. Rolling Doughnut says:

    The lineup they have is in some sense an inevitablility. NYT sports quote of the day: The injuries that have befallen the Yankees this season are as much a statement about their rotting core as they are about rotten luck.

  6. Kramerica Industries says:

    Hughes with a scoreless first inning in the Bronx.

    I forgot what that felt like.

  7. Wheels says:

    Ichiro on fire

  8. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Ichiro is partyin like it’s 2006

  9. Guns says:

    I know he’s been awful, and I expect that will continue overall, but every now and then Ichiro really is fun to watch. Wish I saw more of him in his prime.

    • Dan says:

      I’ve often thought it a huge waste for him to have spent all those years in the wasteland that is Seattle. I can count on one hand the live games I saw him play on national television before he was with the Yankees. What a shame.

  10. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Don’t like giving up the out in general, and hate it in the 1st inning

  11. Guns says:

    Get hot Robbie…

  12. Wheels says:

    That wasn’t what we were looking for, Robbie.

  13. SDB says:

    Everyone take a drink, first Ma and Pa mention of the Hughes pitch count.

  14. Dan says:

    I’m thinking the first hit Hughes gives up is a HR. Say 4th or 5th inning.

  15. Kramerica Industries says:

    Oh look – Hughes giving up foul ball after foul ball.

  16. Kramerica Industries says:

    Ok, that’s kinda cheap. Murphy should be on second there.

  17. Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

    Was there no appeal on that swing when Murphy was out at 2nd? Seemed like he swung, but everyone got caught up in the other stuff.

  18. stuart a says:

    the bottom of the rangers lineup and ours are 2 different worlds. they have youth and speed and we have junk…

    cano carrying the team s usual. he has to be the greatest 275 hitter of all time if you listen to the clueless announcers and his fandom.

    the yanks have a 50% chance of getting shutout today…but hey Nix is a “Ballplaye” and shitty ballplayer but a ballplayer. Nunez with his defensive issues is a much better player…

  19. WhittakerWalt says:

    Make him work, boys. Make him w- oh, never mind.

  20. trr says:

    I have to admit the bottom of our lineup is brutal. It’s almost luke they get 9 innings to hit, while we get 6…tough to win like that

    • WhittakerWalt says:

      At some point one of these guys has to lean into a pitch, right?

      • Dan says:

        Yeah Adams-Gonzalez-Romine is a black hole alright. But ya know, we have at least 4-5 different combinations of players that amount to black holes in the linup that they put out there everyday. This is a major league team.

  21. mick taylor says:

    this lineup is a joke

  22. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Phil is leaking over plate again.

  23. WhittakerWalt says:

    When Phil nibbles, he gets beat. When he challenges, he gets beat. Maybe he’s just not that good?

    “Phil won 18 games for us a couple years back”

    • Guns says:

      He’s a ~ 4.50 FIP pitcher. That’s where he’s been at the last three seasons. This is who he is. He’s a back-end starter. Nothing more.

  24. Dan says:

    This throwing a ball over the middle stuff on 0-2 has had to of come up in conversation in the dug out among the coaches right? RIGHT?

    • WhittakerWalt says:

      It feels like the kind of thing that should have been addressed by now.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

        Pretty sure it’s not intentional.

        • WhittakerWalt says:

          Who the hell knows anymore?

          • Dan says:

            Yeah right? It’s such an obvious little league problem you have to leave open the possibility that it might be intentional, or he just doesn’t care. What a joke. Maddux would have that fixed over night.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

              Bad command isn’t fixed overnight. By anybody.

              • Dan says:

                I just mean that I would be encouraged if he truly “wasted one” on 0-2 and threw it in the dirt.

                • WhittakerWalt says:

                  He’s probably afraid of being criticized if he does that. Since he so often goes from 0-2 to 3-2, and since he wastes so many pitches when guys foul them off, maybe he feels like it’s a better idea to go right after them.
                  In short, I think he’s mind-fucking himself. Either way he’ll get criticized. The real issue is that his fastball isn’t good enough to challenge people with.

  25. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Nice Houdini act Phil!

  26. WhittakerWalt says:

    OK, let’s do dis.

  27. Dan says:

    Alright way to get through that inning unscathed, now we got the POWER coming up: Nixx, Cano, and Wells. The mashers, woop woop.

  28. Wheels says:

    C’mon Robbie

  29. WhittakerWalt says:

    Didn’t Robbie used to have a 2-strike approach? Because that shit was woeful just now.

  30. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Jesus Robbie. You sorta suck this year.

  31. Dan says:

    Robinson’s average quality game is 1-3 with a BB, and a K. It’s been like this for a while now.

    • WhittakerWalt says:

      It seems like he’s sacrificed so much of his approach in an effort hit homeruns, but even the homers have deserted him. He hits like one homer every couple of weeks, but still tries yanking everything.

      • Rolling Doughnut says:

        He’s always been a streaky free swinger, but at least when he was on he saw the ball well and squared it up. He just seems lost this year. He looks like shit at the plate, like he’s always fooled by the pitches.

  32. Guns says:

    Yeah because Wells CAN’T complain when he’s one of the worst hitters in baseball and it’s not an exaggeration.

  33. stuart a says:

    Cano only has 3 outs in 2 plate appearances. it could be worse he could have hit into 2 DP’s.

    I am sorry I am not allowed to point out the obvios about Saint Cano.. He is especially good against lefties, the 8 or 9 pitch AB’s he has are epic…Cano should hold out for a 8 year deal for $160 mill., he is worth every penny just like; arod, pujols, hamilton,tex, and all the rest of the long term deal crowd….

    • WhittakerWalt says:

      Even when you’re actually right about something you’re just an annoying broken record. Seriously, what’s the fucking deal with you? Would it kill you to talk about something other than how much you hate Cano?

  34. WhittakerWalt says:


  35. stuart a says:

    game is over. down by 2 runs they have no chance.

    Hughes is a 4.50 ERA guy best case scenario. Man all the hype over the years and he is a 4th or 5th starter that is it…

    • mitch says:

      I agree he’s nothing more than a 4/5, but he’s bested his 4.50 best case scenario ERA during each of his two full seasons as a starter

  36. Rolling Doughnut says:

    The salutary dinger is given up. At least it was a solo shot.

  37. Big Member says:

    wow romney you big sissy….if you wouldnt have gone to dug out because your glove was hit by a ball (!!!) and messed up hughes composure that score wouldve been 1-0

  38. Rolling Doughnut says:

    2 runs in 5 innings from Phil. Beats Andy and CC lately. We’ll take it.

  39. WhittakerWalt says:

    Let’s go, Attorney General!

  40. Dan says:

    The Yankees are an NL west team. this is so boring.

  41. hughes is my favorite says:

    this isn’t a bad start by hughes

  42. Darren says:

    Remember when people used to give Posada shit for not being a very good defensive catcher? Can you IMAGINE how delightful it would be to have him behind the dish 6 days a week?

    /getting sick of Romine

  43. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    60 pitches in 6 innings.
    I wasn’t expecting them to do anything against Holland, but this is ridiculous.

  44. hughes is my favorite says:

    I know its been said before but god this offense is terrible

  45. Leg-End says:

    If we can’t hit anything, can’t we atleast make the pitcher work a little bit? This is infuriating.

  46. Fin says:

    Man, too many days where this team just sucks to watch. The lineup is so bad its painful.

  47. Chesser says:

    That felt like a 1-pitch inning for Holland.

  48. wow says:

    how does this joke of a lineup even put on a Yankee uniform?

    • TomH says:

      Massive injuries this year + Ownership-and-management errors for several seasons = Unfolding Catastrophe.

      Hell, now add public insinuations of insurance fraud, public obscenities by the GM, VP’s saying “We’re the Yankees“–as MLB giggles, etc.

      We won’t be congratulating them much longer for “hanging in there” or “keeping close.”

      • WhittakerWalt says:

        Even the worst hitters in baseball could at least put some representative ABs together. Five pitch inning?

  49. mitch says:

    How deep could an elite lefty starter (say a prime Cliff Lee) potentially go in an extra inning game against this lineup? I’d say 12-13 innings.

  50. Dan says:

    So Mike’s post game rap title is Cy Holland, right?

  51. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Pretty sure Ichiro is the only hitter in this lineup who currently sports at least a 100 wRC+ against LHP.

  52. stuart a says:

    mustelier if not hurt should get a shot up here.

    to many injuries. overbay is horrible against lefties and ditto with Pronk.

    Cano is pretty good overall, horrible against lefties, and far from a dominating player.

    nix is a 30 year old utility guy who shoud get 5 AB’s a week..wells sucks, almonte bloom off that rose already, etc.. this offense is 27th in baseball….

  53. Crime Dog says:

    Holland is gonna get himself a Maddux (less than 100 pitches and a shutout) if Wash doesn’t get in his way.

  54. WhittakerWalt says:

    How many 1 or 2 pitch outs are we going to have today?

  55. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:


    Because the offense doesn’t have enough problems scoring.

    • Tom says:

      He’s got to have some of the worst baserunning instincts in baseball… he gets terrible reads and has no concept of the situation.

  56. Guns says:

    Vernon Wells – Not a major league baseball player

    • WhittakerWalt says:

      When you’re a righthanded hitter and you’re out there golden sombrero-ing against a leftie pitcher, WTF good are you?

      • Guns says:

        He’s good at collecting his paycheck from the Yankees.

        I’ll admit, there was a time in April where I thought maybe the Yankees saw something in spring training, that maybe, juuuuust maybe, they knew something I didn’t. I’ll never make that mistake again.

    • Dan says:

      Wells, Adams, Romine, not MLB players.

      Overbay,Stewart,Nix, and 3 months out of the year Ichiro: Not MLB starters.

      All of these people are a part of the New York Yankees starting lineup.

      • Jorge Brosada says:

        Adams and Romine are rookies, so they at least have an excuse in my opinion.

        Wells, on the other hand, has no excuse and should have been released weeks ago.

        • Guns says:

          Tough to release him when you’re paying him $13 million. Plus, he’ll essentially be a free fourth outfielder next season.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

            Also, I’m not sure they have a viable, healthy alternative to Wells right now. They can’t even figure out someone worth calling up as the 4th bench player.

            • Guns says:

              Absolutely. It speaks to the farm system that some people think so highly of. I’m sure the Yankees are the envy of baseball when it comes to developing bullpen arms, but when it comes to position players, this team has had to constantly rely on washed-up band aid players. They turn to the farm as a last resort and it shows you what they truly think of it.

  57. BigBlueAL says:

    This is fucking depressing.

  58. WhittakerWalt says:

    BTW nice job Wellsie.

  59. Dan says:

    I wonder if the word is out around the league. Like if you are a SP going through a rough patch and need to break out of it and dominate some weak team, or if you’re a CY candidate and need to pad your stats, just start against the Yankees. Home or away, doesn’t make a difference.

  60. stuart a says:

    struck wells out 3 times on the same slider ball each time…

    cano gets thrown out at 2nd. he is a true star. his baserunning accumen, his hustle, his plate discipline.. what a star retire his # now.

    btw cano has been way more patient last few games….good job…

  61. WhittakerWalt says:

    This has the potential to be our worst offensive showing of the entire year. And that’s really saying something.

    • Dan says:

      I’d say it will be if they go down in order next inning. But sadly, they threaten to deliver their worst offensive showing every game of the week.

  62. Jorge Brosada says:

    Wells should have been DFA’d weeks ago…

  63. trr says:

    Tough to see performances like this. It seems like they could play for 20 innings and not score a single run

  64. Fin says:

    I know one thing for sure, if I was still living in Jersey City I wouldn’t have bought season tickets like I did for the 6 years I lived there. They are kidding themselves if they think people are going to pay their prices to see this team very often. If they cant put a better team on the field than this for $230m, I hate to see what the $189 team will look like as none of the bad contracts (cc,tex,arod) are coming off the books anytime soon.

    • Guns says:

      Sorry but CC’s is not a bad contract. Tex isn’t either but could very well be based on his performance next year. He’s overpaid, but it’s not a bad contract yet, IMO.

      • Fin says:

        CC, might not be yet, but its starting to look bad, he certainly could turn it around but I’m not holding my breath. I agreed with the Tex contract until last year. At this point how can you not call the Tex contract bad, hes injured frequently, declining performance and hes going to miss the entire year.

  65. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    So if Phil is done for the game now:

    15 starts this year
    8 starts of at least 6 IP and giving up 2 or fewer runs
    7 starts of all out suck

    Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde indeed.

  66. stuart a says:

    nice effort by Hughes. 8 innings 2 runs, very good results. they need to trade hughes id Pineda looks healthy and they are not going to resign hughes..

  67. WhittakerWalt says:

    How many “tip your cap” games have we had this year?

  68. Jorge Brosada says:

    Can Cashman please trade for Chase Utley and stick him at first base?? Overbay hasn’t hit for like 50 games now…

  69. WhittakerWalt says:

    Ahhh, just swing at everything, guys. What’s the diff?

  70. Kramerica Industries says:

    This is probably the most putrid performance I’ve seen of this Yankees 0ffense this season, and trust me, that’s saying something.

  71. Dan says:

    They may one day make a Replacements style movie about the 2013 New York Yankees. This is so bad you have to laugh, just laugh.

  72. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Yankees need to trade for Corey Hart. He’d make a fine addition to the DL.

  73. Tom says:

    So has Mike A posted the recap? Or is he waiting until the game is officially over?

  74. stuart a says:

    overbay is a platoon player he can only hit righties not real compicated.

    getting utley would be a shrewd move…another old, fading, injury prone player who will never be on the yanks next year…shrewd move you should become a GM…

    • nycsportzfan says:

      not to mention, Utley woulden’t be helping today anyhow. Holland would school him as well.

    • Jorge Brosada says:

      Utley is a free agent at the end of the season, so the Yankees wouldn’t be taking on much financial risk. He has a 115 OPS+ this year, which is by no means excellent, but it’s definitely better than Overbay, who is our full time first basemen.

      The yankees would probably have to give up a decent prospect for Utley, but certainly not an elite one like Sanchez, Williams, Austin, Heathcott, etc, for half a season of Utley.

      • Crime Dog says:

        Stop being rational

      • stuart a says:

        again shrewd move. get a 2b and just throw him at 1b. also he is a lefty so that still does not deal with the hitting against lefty issue.

        strike 2 on your part. call ruben amaro, maybe you can become the asst gm of the phillies…

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

          utley has played 1B……..
          he’s still an upgrade over overbay…..
          against rhp and lhp……

        • Jorge Brosada says:

          Aren’t like 90% of the commenters on this site wannabe GM’s? Nothing wrong with proposing an idea. Your response to my comment is ridiculous and it makes you sound like an idiot.

          Also, it doesn’t matter that Utley is left-handed, because he would automatically become the Yankees 2nd or 3rd best hitter. Still miles better than Overbay even against left-handed pitching. Also, Utley has played 1B before, and it’s not exactly a demanding defensive position. Not sure what your point is there…

  75. nycsportzfan says:

    This is seriously embaressing. I don’t even want to waste my time watching the 9th inning. But i will. I’m sure it won’t take long.

    • TomH says:

      Yeah, I’m begining to feel as as I did in the mid-to-late 1960s: that I have some sort of moral obligation to watch each game, as I had, back then, to listen on the radio or consult the next day’s write-up and box score.

      • trr says:

        Good Man! I rememnber those days, I was just a kid.
        It’s harder as an adult

        • TomH says:

          Yep, harder as an adult. To tell the truth though, in 1955, when they lost the Series to Brooklyn, it seemed like some sort of violation of a law of nature.

      • nycsportzfan says:

        I started watching in 1990, so i know what you mean. BUt i was only 9, and watched happily no matter how bad the team was. As u guys said, its harder now.

        All that said,the yanks are still in the hunt, with help eventually getting back, so i don’t compare it that much.

        That game just now was very embaressing because it wasen’t even hard on there pitcher.

  76. TomH says:

    Old story about Woody Hayes, at Ohio State. OSU had kicked the tar out of some hapless team, 50-7 or something of that order. The two coaches walked out to shake hands, and Hayes consoled the other guy, “Don’t feel bad, we just have better players than you.”

    A lot of GMs could console Cashman the same way.

  77. wow says:

    Girardi’s answer to everything in the postgame: “yea, but we hit some balls pretty hard out there.”

    • Guns says:

      “I’m going to bat Wellsy in the two hole. We really need to get him going.”

      • TomH says:

        I know, it’s tedious. But what the hell’s the poor guy going to say, to the shark-press-pool? He can’t very well fly the white flag and say, “We’re lousy. Wellsy can’t hit. Nixie can’t hit, etc.” He’s just got to stand there and dream up bull shit answers.

      • Jim Is Bored says:

        Does it matter who hits in the two hole?

        Who on the team is hitting besides Gardner and Cano?

    • trr says:

      what else can you say? Girardi: “this team can’t hit its way out of a paper bag – now if you excuse me, I have to go kick some ass in the clubhouse”..?

      • Ethan says:

        Yeah I would love to see that. I want to see some frustration from Girardi! All is not OK and maybe an outburst from the manager would give these guys a kick in the assignment and stop playing like shit.

  78. Kiko Jones says:

    It can’t be “pretty great” if there’s any amount of humidity.

  79. Tom says:

    So PH Stewart in the 9th?

    /Did I just say that out loud?

  80. BigBlueAL says:

    So with this performance by Hughes does Nova still continue to just waste a roster spot waiting for a SP to get hurt or something?? Or if Phelps sucks tomorrow does Nova take his spot??

    • Dan says:

      It changes nothing to me. We know he has these every so often, but when it’s 70-30 in favor of having a poor start, it isnt worth the risk.

      • BigBlueAL says:

        Hughes is not going to be taken out of the rotation. So again what is the point of having Nova up with no role and carrying only 12 position players??

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

        He’s had more good starts than bad starts this year.

  81. WhittakerWalt says:

    “Do the Yankees have a rally in their bones?”

    These aren’t the Yankees.

  82. trr says:

    OK; now they’ll wake up in the bottom of the 9th.

  83. Kramerica Industries says:

    Nice bullshit strike zone here in the 9th.

  84. Guns says:

    A CG in under 90 pitches?

  85. wow says:

    Umpire be like: “Nope, you had your chance in innings 1-8. We’re going home now.”

  86. trr says:

    wow, no resistance.
    how many pitches has Holland thrown? 75??

  87. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Holland threw a bullpen today. Does he still get a W?

  88. SDB says:

    92 pitches and done.


  89. trr says:

    Seriously, this was a disgrace.

  90. Jorge Brosada says:

    The guy who got kicked out of a Counting Crows concert throws a 90 pitch SO against this pathetic lineup

  91. Dan says:

    I was just wondering, who the hell is the leader of this team? I don’t think it has one currently.

    • brian says:

      Sure… the yankees miss Jeter’s leadership… but what they really miss is his ability to hit the baseball from time to time

    • trr says:

      he’s in Tampa, wondering if he’ll ever play again.

    • Jim Is Bored says:

      We don’t need a leader. We need a hitter. Or 4 hitters. Or really, 7 more hitters.

      • Dan says:

        No, I know. But, I’m just looking at the pathetic lineup and realizing that there isn’t really even one leader type of player on the team. It just go into the whole poor roster contruction issue, but on a different level.

        • WhittakerWalt says:

          No one cares what kind of rah-rah speeches you give if you can’t hit. No amount of Knute Rockne shit is going to help. There’s one, maybe two guys on this team capable of generating offense. That’s it. Today was 2-0 and it felt like 20-0.

    • Coolerking101 says:

      CC, Mo, Pettitte, Cano…take your pick. Leadership isn’t the problem. The problem is a lack of talent. More than half the lineup has an OBP UNDER .300! In its present form, this is one of the worst hitting teams in baseball.

  92. Kramerica Industries says:

    9-13 against the AL West this year, and 5-7 at Yankee Stadium.

    Fucking pathetic.

  93. BigBlueAL says:

    Feel sorry for that kid celebrating his 8th birthday at this game.

  94. Ethan says:

    Girardi is way too ducking passive. I want to see him go out there and yell at the home plate ump after that call to Gardner. Go and inject some anger and emotion into the game! Get the crowd into it, maybe get the players going. Don’t just ducking sit there on your ass as the team gives the game away.

  95. Ethan says:

    Girardi is way too fucking passive. I want to see him go out there and yell at the home plate ump after that call to Gardner. Go and inject some anger and emotion into the game! Get the crowd into it, maybe get the players going. Don’t just ducking sit there on your ass as the team gives the game away.

    • WhittakerWalt says:

      He’s also ducking passive.

    • stuart a says:

      yep that would help alot. NOT.

      btw this is not football.

      romine, wells, overbay, cano against lefties, adams, gonzalez cannot hit. nothing girardi can do about that..

      • Ethan says:

        Adams will not be a career 1 for 25 player. Wells is better than he has been lately, same with Hafner. Romine is better than he’s been lately. These players while definitely not good are slumping. Maybe an outburst would get them going.

        • WhittakerWalt says:

          Wells is not better than he has been lately, unless you take his hot start as his “true” talent level. 6 out of the last 7 years he’s been average to dreadful. There’s a reason no one else wanted him. Hafner is a pure DH who doesn’t H. David Adams might not even be a major league player. Same with Romine. No outburst is going to make these guys hit. If they don’t know it’s important to start hitting, I don’t know what could possibly be said to them to get the point across.

  96. TomH says:

    By and large, this is just a bad team, now sinking to its own level, probably in the basement of the AL East. The decline of Pettitte and the up-and-down performances of CC make this team easily the worst in the division. Will it improve with the return of the Missing? I’m beginning to doubt it. No Tex. Who knows what will happen with Alex? Is anyone expecting Jeter to match 2012? I’m not.

    • Jim Is Bored says:

      “By and large, this is just a bad teamoffense.”

      Fixed. We have a fantastic bullpen and even with our recent struggles the rotation is solid.

      We just have a terrible, no good, awful offense.

    • Guns says:

      Agreed 100 percent. April was fool’s gold. This team sucks plain and simple. The offense isn’t bad, it’s one of the worst in the game. The pitching has been good enough to stay above .500 and in the race, but once that starts coming back to earth (which it is) then they’re in trouble.

      • Jim Is Bored says:

        “The pitching has been good enough to stay above .500 and in the race, but once that starts coming back to earth (which it is) then they’re in trouble.”

        Phew. I’m glad you’re psychic. You should probably go put some money down on this, if you’re so sure about our pitching “coming back to earth”.

        Who’s above their head right now? CC – no. Pettitte – no. Kuroda – no. Hughes – no. Phelps – maybe, possibly not.

        If anything, they should get better because CC has room to improve.

        For God’s sake, we’ve allowed the 2nd fewest runs in the AL. If we’d even scored an AVERAGE number of runs we’d be leading the East.

        The problem is offense, offense offense and offense. That’s it. It’s no more complicated than that.

    • Fin says:

      I’m expecting nothing from the returning players. Arod was on his way to replacement level and cant imagine he gets better after his second hip surgery. I wouldn’t expect Jeter to repeat 2012 even if he didn’t get hurt. No matter how great he is and how many times he proved doubters wrong, at 39 coming off that injury I don’t think its going to be pretty. Granderson is questionable with the injuries hes had tending to linger, but I think he has the best chance to be good of the 3.

  97. Dan says:

    The fact is this line up is not going to improve until you improve the line up. That’s really all there is to it.

    • Jim Is Bored says:

      Grandy is really the only guy I have a lot of faith in to return and hit to his career levels.

      I’ll never count Jeter out, and I think ARod can hit better than our current 3B if they flat out removed his hips. Cervelli should be an improvement, but probably only a marginal one.

      • stuart a says:

        nunez would be a upgrade also…

        granderson, cervelli, and nunez would help. if they improve there position BA just 35 points it means a lot….

        • Mikhel says:

          Gardner in CF right now is batting 0.286, Ichiro 0.277, Zoilo 0.318 (I expect him to fall and stay at 0.240s in a few more games). I don’t see how Granderson will improve the OF AVG by 0.035 AVG points.

          Cervelli could improve the catcher’s overall stats, I highly doubt it with Núñez, and even if he could, his errors would hurt the NYY more than his battings helps.

      • Mikhel says:

        Really? Another 0.240 hitter who strikes out a ton, who is below league average in AVG, OBP, and has more Ks than hits in his time in NY? The guy who doesn’t know how to field nor has a strong throw? the guy who gets thrown every third time he attempts to steal? THAT GUY?

        You have a better shot having faith in… IIGH!!!… Alex Rodríguez.

        After all, Granderson has 293 RBIs in his three years, but 109 of those are from himself hitting a HR and RBI’ing himself (0.250s AVG lifetime hitter with RISP, 0.260s AVG with men on base, 0.230s AVG hitter with late and close games and RISP with 2 outs).

  98. The Real Greg says:

    So you can win a game scoring 2 runs or less in the American League.

    Glad I wasn’t here.

    • WhittakerWalt says:

      Pitching against our grade-Z lineup kind of helps. We don’t have the luxury of facing a lineup that bad very often.

  99. fred robbins says:

    anyone remember the last time Cano got a game winning hit? Looks like Andy is done and cooked, but at least he tried. Yankees have one pitcher to depend on. CC can not win against Oakland, Boston or Tampa, so what good is he anymore? I don’t even understand why Girardi starts him in Oakland or Tampa or does he just pray for a miracle on these nights. His post game press conferences are such a joke to listen to… and will ANYONE ever teach Gardner how to steal a base and run the bases? IS Rickey Henderson still available? Yes, Gardner is their best player right now– but darn– if he could only learn to steal and run it would sure help.

    • Mikhel says:

      Gardner never knew how to steal a base, his only approach was “speed”, now that he doesn’t have speed he has nothing; when he arrived to the majors there were a lot of commentaries praising him but few realized that major fluke: without speed he is slightly above average in the basepaths (his fielding has never been phenomenal, a few good catches and that is all, his throw is not strong nor accurate, better suited to LF than CF/RF, when he bats he can’t hit the fastballs down the middle, doesn’t know how to work the count, he is about average in OBP, which says he shouldn’t be in the top of the order unless he can get on base a lot with hits).

  100. jason says:

    Sigh, at least they managed 3 hits against C. Capuano. But…when your C and 3B combine for WC+ of 2, you’ve got issues. Where have you gone, Alvaro Espinoza?

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