Jul
12

Derek Jeter has Grade I quad strain, will not play this weekend

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An MRI showed that Derek Jeter has a Grade I right quad strain, Brian Cashman announced. He will not play this weekend and then will be re-evaluated after the All-Star break. It’s possible he may need to be placed on the DL at that time.

Jeter, 39, left yesterday’s game with tightness in the quad. It was his first game of the season following his offseason ankle surgery and subsequent setback. It’s fair to ask if the Yankees brought him back too soon after just four Triple-A rehab games, but we can’t know the answer to that. It’s possible he hurt the quad compensating for the ankle, that seems reasonable to me. But again, we don’t know. Hopefully he’s able to return to the lineup after the break.

Categories : Asides, Injuries
  • RetroRob

    Wouldn’t be surprising at all if the intensity of first game back caused him to push harder. Different environment than the minors.

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    Of course. Why not a completely unrelated injury?

    I really am starting to get the feeling that this is just not our year.

    • Pseudoyanks

      “starting to get” ??

    • CTRob

      Although I haven’t lost all hope, I’ve had the same feeling for a while. (since Tex went back out for good) Not the biggest deal in the world.
      It only bothers me because I’d love to see Mo go out on top. Otherwise, shit happens. Such is life.

  • Zanath

    I guess this was the best of the worst possible news, since it’s only a grade 1 strain. Hopefully the All Star break will clear things up but this season has forced me to brace for the worst.

    • trr

      I think we need to proceed under the assumption that he will hit the DL next week.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I see no reason to automatically assume that unless one wants to prepare for the worst. It really could feel better after what’s going to be six additional days off.

        That being said, to borrow from another commenter here, “Pride, Power and Pinstripes” has been replaced with “The New York Yankees: Trying to Avoid A DL Stint.”

        • trr

          I’d feel more optimistic if the man wasn’t 39 y/o…

        • whozat

          I think “he’s 39 years old” is enough of a reason. Men approaching 40 are not known for their ability to recover quickly from muscle tears.

  • Adam

    Cashman himself admitted it was his decision to rush Jeter back because of how crappy the team was playing. What a completely moronic decision. Whatever happened to this organization being overly cautious with their players’ injuries??? This is entirely on Cashman. If this team was assembled better they could’ve given Jeter through the entire All-Star break to make sure he was completely healed.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      We’re on day two of oaktag here.

    • SDB

      Indeed. Cashman failed, again.

      My hamstring hurts after this morning’s workout. I think I may have pushed it running. Cashman fail again there?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I’ve actually had recurring tightness in my left calf for a long time now that really shows up after extensive cardio or resistance training. Fire the team doctors. Cashman failed. Should have signed Puig/Darvish/Ryu/Bonds/Ted Williams.

        • trr

          anyone can play through play (even me!) but we’re talking about competing at the highest levels of the sport. Competing; and winning! We certainly don’t want further injury, but this is very frustrating for us fans, to say the least

          • trr

            play thru pain, sorry

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Of course. I also think these guys already play with the type of aches and pains, on a daily basis, we’d probably call in sick if we had. :)

              • trr

                I hope so! I’d hate to sit on my ass at work all day with a strained glute

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Ha!

        • Now Batting

          Can you help me get a job as a Yankee’s apologist? I have no experience but am ready to learn from the best!

    • Evan3457

      Cashman didn’t say that; he didn’t say anything like that.

      Jeter was going to play shortstop for the Yankees on Friday. The only decision was either to have him DH for Scranton on Thursday, or DH for the Yankees on Thursday.

    • BFDeal

      “Make sure he was completely healed”

      Ok, you do realize Jeter was recovering from a broken ankle and not a previous quad injury, correct? Or do we need to post the lyrics to Dem Bones so you have a better comprehension of the human body?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Alice in Chains. “Dirt.” Great album. Never leaves my iPhone. What an amazing lyrical protrayal of what heroin addiction is like.

        Oh.

        • BFDeal

          Now I’ll be listening to Facelift the rest of the evening.

        • Darren

          Word the F up. One of the top albums (emhpashis on album) of all time.

          And Jar of Flies was a pretty stellar little acoustic EP.

          Those two records are pretty brilliant. Layne Stayley was a true one of a kind.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Sap was great as well.

      • HateMclouth (formerly I’mVernon)

        Haha. Now its stuck in my head.

  • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

    OMF…YOU GOTTA…I…

    I actually, understand, kinda. Getting old is tough. Played in the parent/daughter soccer game, and I couldn’t walk the next day. Serious strains in a few different places, and aches everywhere.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Middle of the road as far as best versus worst case scenarios go. The break gives him about a week to see how he feels. If he goes on the DL, it’ll be retroactive and he’ll have served havlk the time already. Lowest possible degree of strain. We’d all like to see him back tonight, but it is what it is and it could be a heck of a lot worse.

    Feel free to hang yourself over this below.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      “Half the time.”

      “Havlk” sounds like an Ikea bookshelf.

  • RetroRob

    Unrelated to the Jeter news, I heard earlier that if A-Rod is not ready when his rehab assignment is done, they can evaluate him again and then start another rehab assignment after five days. That is probably the likely outcome.

  • Turk

    … who can really be surprised by any of this..

  • mike

    maybe if he hit a flyball on occasion he wouldn’t have to make a mad dash to first to beat out infield grounders every at-bat :)

    • forensic

      I know you’re joking, but there is a modicum of truth here, which again leads to getting him back a bit too early. He’s always an extreme groundball hitter, but he even said himself that every ball he hit in the minors was a groundball too. In other words, he hasn’t come close to driving the ball well yet or making really good contact. That’s somewhat telling too.

  • Cy Pettitte

    fast tracking a 39-year old’s rehab, no one could have seen this coming.

  • Erica

    Relatively speaking, how bad IS a grade 1 strain?

    • Evan3457

      Better than grade 2 or 3.

      A grade 1 can be anything from a few days to 15-Day DL.
      Grade 2 is a DL stint to 6 or 8 weeks.
      Grade 3 is pretty much a torn muscles and half a season, usually.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      First link I found:

      http://www.sportsinjuryclinic......eps-strain

      Make of that what you will. Obviously, everyone is different and, as you can tell from the rest of the commenters, Derek Jeter is 104 years old and is lucky to walk upright.

      • SDB

        Rubbish. He’d be going around the bases like Usain Bolt, except that Cashman failed. It’s Cashman’s fault.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Who needs actual facts at the internet when you can just take a crayon and draw lines between Point A and Point W.

          • Pat D

            All the time singing the Pee-Wee Herman “Connect the Dots” song.

            And then starting to do your Picture Pages.

  • kenthadley

    This is par for the course when you are 39. I don’t care how well you train. For those of you not yet there, you’ll see. It’s ok to hope that Jeter can come back as a key contributor, but it’s folly to expect it. And it’s even a longer shot for Arod to return as a key contributor. Without PED’s, 38/39 is very much past the physical prime for this kind of game. Injuries will be what stops these guys, since their skills were so superior that even natural erosion would be acceptable if they could stay healthy…but they can’t.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’m 39. I exercise 45-60 minutes a day, 5-6 times a week. I’m not going to be confused with Derek Jeter anytime soon, other than my bitchin’ gift baskets, but this isn’t par for the course at this age.

      • kenthadley

        ok, try playing professional baseball now, and bust it for 90 feet constantly and lets see how many days you can go before something gives out.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Nah nah nah nah nah. Bullshit.

          This is what you wrote:

          “This is par for the course when you are 39. I don’t care how well you train. For those of you not yet there, you’ll see.”

          You made the blanket statement. I replied and just happen to be the age you referred to. If you want to compare the level of physical activity I take part in to what Derek Jeter takes part in, that is more than fair and there is obviously not any sort of comparison between the two. You didn’t do that, though.

        • trr

          This being the case, we can assume Cano will play ’til he’s 50

        • Jon G

          I have to agree with kenthadly. I exercise regularly and am a brown belt in martial arts. I’m a couple of years older than Jeter and certainly found that come late 30’s, muscles pull more easily and I had to start being a lot more careful than I used to in order to avoid injury. It took a hamstring pull during a kicking drill and a calf pull when bounding down a trail to realize my body ain’t what it was when I was 25 or even 35.

          Now that I’ve adopted and work harder to make sure I’m well stretched and ready for high exertion, I’ve been able to avoid more muscle pulls, but I still get a lot more sore than I used to!

          So yes, I do agree that this is par for the course at 39. Robinson, are you taking anything to help you maintain your “bitchin’ giftbaskets” that would get you suspended were you, say, Arod..? ;-)

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Nope. Got any, though?

          • Ichiro

            I am 39.

            You are all Nancy-boys.

      • BFDeal

        Matt Kemp is secretly 39.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          The poor, sad story of Nick Johnson, who was born, and always remained, 39.

      • RetroRob

        I’m 49 and exercise 45-60 minutes a year. I do not stretch and try to avoid all physical activity. I have not pulled a muscle in forever because I have no muscles left. I am never so So everyone: Relax, stop working out, sip a glass of wine, and recline on your couch and watch the Yankee game.

        Also, ignore my advice above…I think.

        • kenthadley

          My hero.

  • FIPster Doofus
  • Matt

    The Yankees just aren’t what they were a few years ago. That intensity of the 2009 season where they led the majors in comeback wins. It felt like no matter what the score, the Yankees would make a charge to win the game. Now, if the other team is up 1 run the game is pretty much over. I guess aging stars, a plethora of injuries, and no cap room makes this something we should have all seen coming.

    • whozat

      It felt like that because they had a best-in-class offense and a strong back end of the bullpen. It’s not magic. Now, they have only one of those things.

      Did you honestly not see this coming? Once Granderson and Tex went down in the spring, it was clear the team would be this bad until they got back.

  • Greg

    old man trying to play a young man’s game. That’s what happens.

  • forensic

    Shocking. Who would’ve thought this could happen to a 39 year old who’s played four partial games in almost nine months.

    Cashman: “It’s possible” we brought him up too early.

    Gee, ya think? Way to try to sugarcoat it. But it’s Jeter, so it’s all ok…

    Meanwhile, A-Rod still sits in Tampa hoping to actually get to play a game tonight. There may actually be a window according to weather.com, so hopefully he actually will, but it’s still pointless having him there.

    Depending on the length of Jeter’s absence, A-Rod may actually be back long-term before him.

    • forensic

      Frankly, given the shape of the roster at this point, it’s almost just better to DL him, get someone else back up now, and let him restart a rehab stint and try not to panic and rush it again this time.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        There’s plenty of info on Grade I strains online that would lead one to believe it’s certainly plausible six days off could help immensely.

        I agree with you on Alex. Just get him somewhere he can play. Who gives a shit where in the organization it is.

    • forensic

      Depending on the length of Jeter’s absence, A-Rod may actually be back long-term before him.

      Although, that assumes A-Rod comes back and doesn’t have a setback (or another injury), which I think only Nunez has avoided so far (searching for wood to knock on) among all the DL-guys.

      Can’t believe counting on all these guys to come back and play to their normal levels almost right away to ‘save’ the team hasn’t worked out yet.

      • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

        ARod is never coming back. He’s like Colonel Kurtz, he’s gone and he’s never coming back.

        • Betty Lizard

          Hee.

          “A-Rod 2013: Heart of Darkness Tour”

  • Pasta Stumbling Sojo

    The only real argument that rushing him caused this is that he hustled more in the major league game than he would’ve in the minor league game. It seems hard for me to believe that that really made a difference.

    But even if it did, I don’t see how you can blame Cashman for that. Presumably players hustle in the minor leagues as well. Does management normally tell them not to hustle fully in minor league games?

    • trr

      Of course not, and I’m sure Jeter was busting it down there to show that he WAS ready; It’s unfortunate this happened, and as Mike said it was likely an overcompensation issue. At least there’ll be 4 days off during the break, if it’s not healed then, it’ll be the DL. And the way our luck’s been going with injuries this year….

    • forensic

      Hustling more isn’t the only argument, though it is part of one. A big thing is the huge difference in intensity, which will affect how you react and do certain things.

      And sure, Cashman can presume they can hustle in the minor leagues, but he should also understand the difference in intensity and the extreme layoff he’s working back from. A big part of their job is to help protect players from themselves.

      • Pasta Stumbling Sojo

        Since he was DHing yesterday, the only physical thing he did was swing the bat a few times and then run from home to 1st base 4 times. I’m not sure what the difference is between “intensity” and “hustle” when swinging the bat and running from home to 1st base, but I’m skeptical that he did it any differently than he would have in the minor leagues. And even if there is some difference, I can’t imagine it’s significant enough that Cashman should have been protecting Jeter from that difference by keeping him in the minor leagues.

        • forensic

          For what it’s worth, he also had to go first to third on a hit a run.

          But, there is a difference between what happens in the minors and majors. He can feel like he’s hustling and the minors, and he was probably pretty close to 100%, but the intensity and pressure differences in the majors where the results immediately matter are huge. He even said that himself after the game yesterday that there was a big difference in the intensity.

          There’s a reason there are 20 day rehab windows. It’s to somewhat resemble what guys would get in ST when they’re working themselves back into playing shape and slowly ramping it up to avoid injury. They didn’t do that with him. He played 4 partial games, then immediately had to go at full MLB speed for the first time in almost 9 months.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      They tell Robbie Cano to hustle every other Sunday.

      *snare*

  • The Real Greg

    As I said yesterday. Sit him until after the break and see what happens. If he’s not well, start looking at Starlin Castro or Cabrera more closely

  • Naved

    ARod will save the day just like how he saved the Yankees in 2009 for their only championship in 13 seasons.

  • Paco Dooley

    Really they couldn’t have asked for better timing to have a minor strain – he will miss a few games after being out for the whole season anyway, and then presumably return after the break – or at least the brake minimizes the number of games he misses.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Yup.

      I’d have loved it if the MRI returned negative and he could just rub some Tiger Balm on it but, based on what we know right now, this is closer to “best case” than “worst case.”

      • trr

        These days, ya gotta be careful what you rub on it

        • Mr. Roth

          Maybe some he should rub some of Roger Clemens’ testicle cream on it.

    • forensic

      Better timing would’ve been when he was in the minors, not taking a roster spot on the MLB team, and could’ve then easily just restarted the rehab clock because of a ‘new’ injury.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I guess that’s true, but it didn’t happen.

        Even better timing would have been in December. :)

  • Rolling Doughnut

    Everyone is looking around for someone to blame. I’m no doctor, but I do not see the relation between ankle and quad. Jeter was playing in real games anyway before they called him up, so how is this on Cashman? He DH’d in one game and strained his quad. It happens, to quote Mike.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I mean….there are loose connections we all can make between overcompensation, the intensity of actual game play versus rehab, adrenaline, etc., that pass the initial sniff test of “things that could have contributed to the injury.” All those are, though, are loose connections that lead to talk radio and blog banter. None actually constitute truth, no matter how emphatically someone wants to state it.

      • forensic

        None actually constitute truth, no matter how emphatically someone wants to state it.

        Which goes exactly the same for those arguing the other way too.

        • OhioYanks

          Very few people appear to be actually arguing that this wasn’t Cashman’s fault. They are arguing that they don’t know whose fault it is, so there’s no use jumping to conclusions.

          That someone disagrees with your illogical rants and tells you to STFU does not mean they hold the polar opposite viewpoint. In many cases they are just pleading with you to use some logic.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Except not one person on here is.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            And now you have me agreeing with Fake Ted. Damn you, forensic.

            • forensic

              :-)

              Things were so peaceful for awhile too…

            • OhioYanks

              What’s your problem? You seem to randomly gun for me in every thread. I have never made one negative comment about you, yet in every thread you are coming after me.

              • forensic

                Pot, meet kettle…

                • OhioYanks

                  You seem to talk a lot without understanding what you are saying.

                  I do not randomly gun for any one person in every thread by any means. I respond to comments I disagree with, and sometimes those I agree with as well. It’s not the same thing.

                  • forensic

                    Yeah, sure.

                    This isn’t even worth it anymore.

                    Don’t know if you are the actual Ted again (which certainly explains you talking like this and going after my comments) or just a guy who is just like him, but it’s just not worth my time. Enjoy.

                    • OhioYanks

                      Try actually reading what I write instead of assuming that I am wrong.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                You jump from 0 to 1,000 on every discussion, are condescending to just about every commenter on here, and appear to exist for the mere purpose of inciting arguments. The fact that I agree with you about half the time almost doesn’t even matter.

                There are idiots commenting here who deserve the snark, but you just seem to think every regular and occasional commenter on here is beneath you.

                I want to like you. I’m one of the only people who liked Ted, other than the jbsession with Mike that came about eight before he left here. You somehow have an even worse ability to pick your battles than he did.

                In other words, lighten the fuck up.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Autocorrect errors everywhere there. I’m sure you get the point.

                • OhioYanks

                  I’m not a fan of deciding who “deserves” snark based on your relationship with them. I’m an equal opportunity disagreer. And while certainly I share in the responsibility, it’s usually only the people who get all defensive where a drawn-out conversation/argument ensues (they are often “regulars”). For example, with forensic here. He starts twisting about saying that he’s not been definitive, for example, when there are clearly definitive statements he’s made. How can you have a reasonable discussion with someone who twists about like that?

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    I’m able to have a reasonable discussion with forensic. Figure it out. You’re both choosing to coexist in this place as regular commenters. It’s nicer when people figure it out.

                    You have great abilities that, if we could just harness them, could benefit the greater good in just awesome ways.

                • RetroRob

                  I actually liked Ted, too.

                  I think he’s Plank!

          • forensic

            Some people think it could be connected and there should’ve been a different path taken. Others believe it’s not connected the path taken was fine.

            There’s no way to tell which one constitutes the truth, no matter how emphatically it’s stated.

            Well, unless you’re Fake Ted, then you know exactly the truth and can feel free to try to bash everyone else who may, god forbid, actually have their own opinion.

            • OhioYanks

              Quite the opposite, actually. I have no idea what the truth is, and I am bashing you for pretending that you do. You, in fact, are the one bashing other people for having a different opinion than you (or in most cases just telling you to take a step back rather than pretending to know things you do not).

              You don’t have to take a random guess at which of the two explanations you’ve made up is right. You can just try to objectively look at them both as possibilities. Maybe even discuss the likelihood of each. Jamming your random guess down everyone’s throat is just annoying.

              • forensic

                I’m not pretending that I know the truth. This is my opinion and I’m just stating my reasons for that opinion, which is sort of what a sports blog commenting section is about.

                I have also not bashed a single person for their opinion, thank you very much.

                • OhioYanks

                  A blog is not about irrationally arriving at definitive conclusions on subjects you know little about. A lot of people use it that way, but that doesn’t mean that’ what it’s about.

                  • forensic

                    My reasoning is not irrational and none of my conclusions have been definitive. But keep trying.

                    • OhioYanks

                      This is useless. It’s irrational to jump to a conclusion about something you know so little about. By definition basically. Yes, your points have been quite definitive.

                    • OhioYanks

                      Try having a real conversation instead of making things up:

                      “Cashman: “It’s possible” we brought him up too early.
                      Gee, ya think? Way to try to sugarcoat it.”

                      This is, in fact, a definitive statement. If saying it’s possible is “sugarcoating it” and worthy of being mocked, what are you implying that you wanted him to say?

    • forensic

      The ankle and quad are both parts of the leg, it’s not like he hurt his shoulder throwing and people are saying it’s caused by the broken ankles. There could’ve been compensation going on, there could’ve been still getting used to running fully, there could’ve be the fact that he’s had 4 partial games in almost 9 months at the age of 39, there could’ve been the huge difference in intensity between the minors and majors.

      • Rolling Doughnut

        Seems like a stretch (pardon the pun) to use vague words like “intensity” and “both parts of the leg” but I get your point.

      • OhioYanks

        Please stop

        • forensic

          Just because you asked so nicely, I will forever restrain from having any opinions until I have checked with you first to make sure it’s acceptable.

          • OhioYanks

            Why do you feel the need to have an opinion on something you know so little about and then jam it down everyone’s throat incessantly?

            You are taking it beyond just a little opinion. Above you start going on about how he might as well just be put on the DL now. How do you have any idea how long he needs to recover?

            • forensic

              I never said I have any idea how long he needs to recover. I said given the roster construction and that he’ll definitely be out for at least 3 games, it’s my opinion that they’d be better served by DL’ing him, getting a full roster for this series, and then starting a new rehab clock when he’s ready to work him back slowly again, rather than having to hit the ground running (no pun intended) in Fenway after the break after 7 days of no playing time.

              • OhioYanks

                You know that a DL trip is at least 15 days, right? Who are they calling up to fill the roster that’s worth what might be roughly a week of Jeter? They can DL him retroactively after the break if he isn’t healing quickly and only lose 3 games of David Adams sitting on the bench.

    • trr

      Dooughnut, It could be that either physically or mentally, he was favoring the ankle, thereby putting more stress on the other leg.
      Can’t say for sure, but it’s possible…I’m not blaming Cashman. Jeter suffered 2 breaks in the same ankle, that’s tough to come back from

    • Fin

      I personally think its reasonable to question the Yankees decision to call him up so early. He’s a 39yr old, who had a very serious injury and was given very little time in the minors to work himself back into game shape. Everyone was shocked that he was called up so quick and then he injures himself in his very first game. It may have still happened in the minors, we will never know. All I can say is the Yankees panicked and it bit them in the ass. There was no reason not to wait till after the All Star break to call him up. Frankly, he looked slow at the plate to me, and not ready for MLB anyway. I think they rushed him up in effort to get people in the stands and to turn on their TV’s, not to improve the team.

      • OhioYanks

        I think that they rushed him, as much as anything, because he continually insisted that he was ready yesterday. That doesn’t absolve the organization and it’s still their decision. He’s a guy who has earned the trust to dictate how he feels physically, though. And that’s not just because he’s Derek Jeter specifically. He’s a veteran who has been playing the game a long time.

  • OhioYanks

    This is probably the funniest thread ever on this site. Somehow all the Debbie Downer regulars have concluded that they know the cause of the injury. Then some have gone further to conclude that they have any idea how long he will be out. It is just hilarious.

    • Pat D

      Rookie.

      There have been plenty of threads funnier than this on this site.

      But I won’t link to them. Because I don’t believe that’s in our national interest.

  • fred jones

    Derek needs to immediately retire & run for NYC mayor!!!!!!!!

    • Pat D

      Running isn’t going to help his injury.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    Cashman Failed

    If I was still alive, I would fire him.

    • RetroRob

      The real Steinbrenner’s Ghost wouldn’t let such a minor thing as death stop him!

    • Fin

      If Big George were still alive, they would have spent more money on doctors and rehab for Jeter and he would have been back months ago.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • Betty Lizard

    Old man look at my life,
    I’m a lot like you were.
    Old man look at my life,
    I’m a lot like you were.

  • hogsmog

    I hope the Cashman Failed meme sticks around even after Cashman leaves the Yankees (whenever that may be).

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Him leaving will not even slightly curtail his failing.

  • Mr. Roth

    How much level of intensity is appropriate for rehab?

    In other words, when a player is on a rehab assignment in AAA, do they get instructed to operate at 70% on the intensity throttle? If that was the case, at what point are they told to increase the intensity level to 100%?

    Does a rehab player ever operate at 100% intensity in the minors? If not, how would they ever be ready for the jump to major league intensity levels? If so, how do they ever manage to not get injured from the excess intensity?

    What does 70% intensity look like when compared to 80% intensity? And what about 80% intensity vs. 95% intensity? When a player manages to ascend into the realm of 110% intensity, does the team medical staff have to give clearance for the additional 10% intensity boost?