Red Sox walk off with rubber game in extra innings


Source: FanGraphs

That had a chance to be the best win of the season, but instead it was just another frustrating loss in a year full of them. The Yankees battled back from a four-run deficit (miracle!) and watched their bullpen hang tight for more than five innings, but that still wasn’t enough. Mike Napoli’s walk-off blast sends the Yankees out of town on the heels of an 8-7, 11th inning loss. Some quick notes:

  • At least Mariano Rivera will be nice and fresh for Monday. Adam Warren has been awesome as the long man, but he had no business facing Dustin Pedroia, David Ortiz, and Napoli in extra innings. White flag.
  • The Red Sox hit three homers, the same number the Yankees have hit in their last nine games. All three were bombs too. They each traveled farther than any two of New York’s hits out together. Maybe even three hits put together. The Bombers Singlers had 13 hits but none for extra-bases.
  • At -.580 WPA, Lyle Overbay had the worst game by a position player this season. That’s all of baseball, not just the Yankees. Eight outs in six at-bats will do that. Neil Walker now has the second worst game (-0.555 back in April).
  • CC Sabathia has to be better. Whenever he stunk in the past, he usually kept the Yankees in the game. That’s part of why he was so great; even his bad starts were still pretty good. These days he’s just non-competitive. It’s a miracle he got a no decision.
  • Brett Gardner became the first Yankees center fielder to reach base five times in Fenway Park since Mickey Mantle. Robinson Cano and Eduardo Nunez had three hits apiece as well. The Yankees drew seven walks as a team. Twenty-one base-runners and seven runs in 11 innings still wasn’t enough.
  • The Yankees are now 35-2 when scoring five runs or more in 2013. Hooray?

MLB.com has the box score and video highlights, FanGraphs some other stats, and ESPN the updated standings. The Yankees are six back of the Red Sox in the AL East and three back of the Orioles for the second wildcard spot, both in the loss column. Management seems very content to let this team fade completely out of the race before getting help. Yu Darvish and Ivan Nova (fun!) will be your pitching matchup in Texas on Monday night.

Categories : Game Stories


  1. Kramerica Industries says:

    After the flight they’ll make for the start time tomorrow, the same can’t be said for the rest of his ‘mates.

  2. Karl Krawfid says:

    Can’t wait until we get under the salary cap!

    Shit is gonna get better!

  3. Bob Buttons says:

    Figures, they pound out for seven runs behind their highest paid starter on his birthday and he manages to turn in an outing that any pitcher would glad to take a ND from.

  4. John says:

    And that’s why saves are awful, awful things.

  5. Mark says:

    Meh, they score 7 runs, all CC had to do was be average, 6 innings of 4-5 runs would have been good enough, and the bullpen wraps this up.

    Overbay was brutal at the plate tonight, and Hafner has been an auto out for months, he has to be getting close to a DFA, can’t hit, can’t play the field.

  6. Odedoty says:

    Cc is not an ace by any means. Say what u want, he is having a horrific season.

  7. Pete says:

    I’m not even mad about the blown call at second anymore. The pitch right before the home run should have been strike 3.

  8. stuart a says:

    overbay cannot hit lefties at all…

    hafner has been worse then Wells. That is hard to do.

    they really miss cervelli and granderson.

    i assume aroid will never play for them again but they actually miss cervelli and grandy…

    trade joba and hughes get some assetts back now..joba is out of favor for good reason, he is a FA, they are not resigning him. trade him now…

    • Odedoty says:

      His value is at an all time low. Yankees not gonna get much back at all for joba

      • Mark says:

        Agreed, they would be lucky to get anything at all for him, he didn’t pitch all weekend, couldn’t find his way into an 11 inning game tonight. Teams should just wait to see if the Yanks DFA him.

  9. Matt DiBari says:

    Quite the showing from Mike Everitt too.

    • Esquire212 says:

      Takes away two chances to tie/take leads in two of three games. Unreal. Not a single mention of the blown call by ESPN.

  10. forensic says:

    What a terrible, depressing day. First, the A-Rod news.

    Then, this game. 5 hours for that??? I hope they never play another ESPN Sunday Night game again. Pitiful performance by CC, as he seems to do quite a bit against the Sox. Maybe two or three good performances against them in the last three seasons. Overbay right behind him for worst player tonight.

    What a waste of an otherwise ok offensive performance and dominance by the pen until the last batter.

    I think I need a few beers.

    • forensic says:

      Oh, and plenty of questionable-to-bad managerial moves too.

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        Seriously. I’m having a really hard time remembering a GOOD Sabathia outing at Fenway Park at any time in the recent past. The only start that even comes to mind is 8/30/2011, and even then, he had a WHIP of over 2 in that game; he just got lucky he didn’t get torched.

        • Esquire212 says:

          He doesn’t pitch well against ANYONE in the division other than Toronto. That bodes terribly for us with his permanently diminished velocity.

          • Kramerica Industries says:

            He’s generally solid against the Orioles. Not so much this year, but even last year he was as good as you could’ve hoped for, especially in the ALDS.

            But, yeah, Sabathia is pretty wretched at Fenway and Tropicana Field. The only reason I still expect good results, is because I refuse to concede defeat when a $20M guy is the starting pitcher.

        • forensic says:

          Well, to be fair to CC this was actually his first start in Fenway since that game (which is why it’s the last one you remember). Even at YSIII, he’s only had two, maybe three, good games against them in 3 seasons.

          • Kramerica Industries says:

            Umm, damn, wow. The Yankees played a four-gamer at Fenway before the ASB last season, I was certain he pitched in one of those games. In hindsight, I seem to remember Kuroda, Hughes and Nova pitching three of those games, and perhaps it was Andy in the game I’m uncertain about (Saturday DH Game 1), so that could explain that.

            But, yeah, he got drilled by the Red Sox in 2011. It was very unsettling, and we were all worried about it big-time in the event of a Yankees/Red Sox ALCS.

  11. Odedoty says:

    I still can’t understand why Cashman didnot want Russell Martin back. How bout him and ibanez in this pathetic lineup??

    • Mark says:

      Come on, they got Ichiro and Vernon Wells for two years, get excited!!!!

    • stuart a says:

      ibanez is 41, the 2nd player ever at his age with this many homers . i am sure you saw that coming…

      exactly what the yanks need more older guys, they do not have enough 40 year olds….

      apply for the gm job, they may give it to you…

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        This is why I’ll take Stuart ten times out of ten over half the other clowns on here.

        • MannyGee is no longer an ACE says:

          So much truth. stuart a, in all his Haterade splattering glory over the years, is about 75 times more rational than what has been going around here in the past 72 hours.

    • ropeadope says:

      I believe Cashman told reporters he ousted Martin “just to piss off Betty Lizard.”

  12. Get Phelps Up says:

    I don’t remember hearing any 2004 references on the ESPN broadcast so there’s that.

    • forensic says:

      I could’ve sworn I heard Hershiser mention the Roberts steal when O’Brien was talking about the ‘Lead Sox’.

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        Yeah, but that’s not so bad. At least it directly related to the topic, in a sense.

        McCarver’s mention yesterday was just so out of the blue, and so fucking irrelevant.

        • forensic says:

          Yeah. I didn’t get to see much of yesterday’s game, so I wasn’t sure how bad it was during the game.

          • Kramerica Industries says:

            I mean, it was absolutely mind-boggling when McCarver mentioned it.

            Two outs on Saltalamacchia, I think two strikes, and after talking about Mo the entire inning, Timmy suddenly says “and, yet…” and just about any Yankee fan watching knew what was coming next.

            Talking about how, against Mariano Rivera, the Red Sox achieved “the biggest win in franchise history”.

            Holy shit. This was during a game where the Yankees were about to win, mind you, and I easily could’ve strangled that bastard if I had the chance. So unnecessary, and almost said purposefully with the intent of getting a rise out of Yankees fans.

            “This is why we can’t have nice things.”

            • forensic says:

              Only a little over two months left in his career, at least. Three more FOX games as currently scheduled, though of course they’re all against the Red Sox.

              • Kramerica Industries says:

                Fortunately, this was the Yankees fourth SNB game this season, and I think the max is five.

                So at least two of those Red Sox games, to my understanding, can’t be on Sunday Night Baseball. Words cannot even begin to describe how much I (we) HATE the Fox/ESPN weekend doubleheader. I am so much happier when the Yankees play the Red Sox during the week. I’d rather watch the Yankees on YES. Red Sox fans would rather watch these games on NESN. Fox and ESPN absolutely SUCK.

                • forensic says:

                  Two of those three Sunday Red Sox games are currently listed with a TBD game time, so we’ll see. But, yeah, five is the most in one season (and I’ll take your word for it that this is four already).

  13. Eddard says:

    CC didn’t do his job tonight and that’s why they lost. Can’t blame the pen as they held out as long as they could. Can’t blame the offense as they scored 7 runs.

    CC Sabathia’s ERA is now 4.37. One or two more starts and he’ll be worse than Phil Hughes. They might need to start looking at Pineda and Phelps not to take Hughes and Nova’s spots, but to take Andy’s and CC’s.


    Would be my top 5 starters going into a playoff series which we’ll probably never see.

  14. Odedoty says:

    I bet you with his salary and years left on his contract the Yankees would have a hard time trading CC

  15. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Jeff Quagliata
    Yankees now with 17 games this season without an extra-base hit. Most since 1990 (also 17). Most thru 98 games since 1975 (18)


    • your mom says:

      Nice to know we’re witnessing such a historically bad offense. Now I know what it’s like to be a Mariner fan. Unlike us, at least they have a true ACE and good prospects in their farm though.

      • Get Phelps Up says:

        Yes, the Mariners sure have been stellar in player development of late…

        • your mom says:

          No they haven’t developed shit lately, but with the talent currently in their farm system things may change.

          • Get Phelps Up says:

            Possibly. But they’ve also had some pretty big prospects bust for them in the recent past. If I was an M’s fan I don’t think I’d be too confident.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        A good prospect in your system is just that. They still have to graduate them.

        Trade places with a old Cubs or Red Sox fans. I bet they never jumped off shit.

      • MannyGee is no longer an ACE says:

        uhhhhhhhh, what? They take really good prospects and turn them to shit. Their own AND other teams.

        Ryan Roland Smith was going to be somebody, then he got called up to Seattle. He is currently the LOOGY for AAA Pawtucket. A team that has lost THREE(!) closers and a LOOGY for the entire season hasn’t called him up. That’s how bad Seattle blew him up.

        Also, a guy named Jesus something.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      So many offensive stats are the worst since 1990.

      In some ways, it’s a miracle this team isn’t on a direct plane with the 1990 team.

      • forensic says:

        Well, what we’ve been seeing for two months is a team almost on that plane.

        Since their high-water mark of 30-18, they are 22-28 or a .440 win%. That’s right on par with 1991 and slightly ahead of 1990. Or, you could add 4 games to that and since they were 28-16 they’re 24-30 (.444%)

        If not for some apparently very fluky performances in April, who knows where they’d be right now.

        • Kramerica Industries says:

          Funny thing is, when they were around that 30-18 mark, you’re starting to think of the cavalry returning. Granderson actually got hurt in Game #47, so maybe we back up a couple games, but you’re thinking Granderson now back, with the impending returns of Youkilis and Teixeira. Probably thinking Jeter and ARod aren’t seriously far behind, either. The lineup was finally starting to take shape.

          Here we are, now, after 98 games, and not only are none of those guys in the lineup, but aside from the brief stretch where Tex and Youk were back, no pair of any of those two above has been in the same lineup in any given game this season. The quartet of Tex/Curtis/Jeter/ARod will not appear together in the same lineup this entire season. And, besides all this, Jeter is still out for a few more games which could easily be more, ARod’s out indefinitely again, and Curtis is still a ways off from returning.

          So, instead of the cavalry returning, this team STILL is a long ways away from any kind of health in the lineup. It’s absolutely mind-boggling what kind of rotten luck has befallen this team this year.

          I mean, this isn’t the best team in baseball, by a long shot, WITH health. And, yes, counting on old guys to stay healthy is a risky proposition. Still, on a 1-10 disaster scale, there’s no way this season hasn’t been at least a 25 on that. Worst case scenario’s in just about every possible way.

          • your mom says:

            Worst case scenario is Mo and/or Cano get injured too.

          • forensic says:

            Even I am amazed at how EVERY injured guy has had a setback/injury that seems to have lasted at least 2 weeks. I was always going against the grain in that I didn’t only want to sit around and wait for everyone to return, since you never know how they’re going to perform once returning.

            But, even I never expected that EVERY SINGLE PLAYER would have a somewhat serious setback. Unless I’m missing someone (which is certainly possible) all seven counted on players have had it happen to them (Granderson, Youkilis, Tex, A-Rod, Jeter, Nunez, Cervelli).

            Not counting Pineda in this since he’s still yet to make ANY regular season appearance for the Yankees.

            • Kramerica Industries says:

              Truly amazing. It’s actually a serious miracle that Harvey’s 96 mph fastball didn’t make Robbie’s knee break into a thousand different pieces. Talk about something that would’ve been par for the course in 2013.

            • Get Phelps Up says:

              I don’t think Andy ever had a setback.

              • Kramerica Industries says:

                Maybe not, but he sure as hell isn’t pitching well anymore.

              • forensic says:

                Yeah, I guess that’s true. Forgot about him and wasn’t really thinking about the pitcher’s since, for the most part, they haven’t been the issue this season. Though, his pitching since the injury may as well be a setback at this point.

              • Robinson Tilapia says:

                Andy had an old-back.

      • Esquire212 says:

        Only difference being the plethora of clutch hits early in the season, that landed us about 14 or 15 wins, and the consistently great bullpen, which has helped lower the staff ERA to 3.75 or so, whereas the 1990 bunch had a 4.41 if I recall off the top of my head (been looking at those stats all season, when the parallels between this anemic offense and that team, which I somehow sat and watched for 130 of the 162 games, became apparent).

        That’s the only reason they’re not down with the Mets jockeying for worst record in the city AND baseball.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Are you going to tell Lee Guetterman to give up his seat?

  16. Pete says:

    I wish we had an opportunity to hit the “Reset button” and trade 3 over paid players, CC, ARod and Tex. But Bud and MLB would never allow a team to get away with that……Oh wait forgot about the Red Sox already did that and nobody said a word in protest.

    • your mom says:

      I don’t think we were ever going to get rid of Arod. Tex has been shitty since 2011.

    • stuart a says:

      you stoned. sure teams are calling cashman day and night looking to trade for aroid…

      seriously… you beleive in santa claus also…

      tex does not know there is the left side of the field but he got it all figured out, after all he went to Georgia Tech….

      • Pete says:

        So how did the red sox get the dodgers to take Gonzalez (Owed 106 mill for the next 5 years), Crawford (Owed 82.5 mill for the next 4 years)and Beckett (Owed 15.75 mill next year0 and only have to send the dodgers 3.9 mill a season?

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

          Dodgers were desperate, apparently.
          And Arod’s contract is by far the worst of that bunch.

        • Gonzo says:

          Not that I agree with you but you forgot that the Sox got two good prospects as well.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        On a roll tonight.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      “I wish I could give back the 2009 championship. Maybe with other guys, we’d have more.”

      The battle cry of the stupid and spoiled. Can’t even appreciate a championship. Trade places with a Cubs or, hell, Red Sox fan one day. The latter only went 86 years without one. I bet their fans whined less in 1922.

  17. dkidd says:

    the gods just hate us this year

    zen baseball from here on…

  18. forensic says:

    •At -.580 WPA, Lyle Overbay had the worst game by a position player this season. That’s all of baseball, not just the Yankees.

    Now that’s damn impressive!

    • your mom says:

      Congratulations to him. A true 2013 Yankee.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      Those two AB’s, in the 6th and 11th, against LHP with runners on were such doomed-to-fail situations.

      But there is just NO ONE on that bench who you could justify pinch hitting there. Who was even left? Hell, WHO is even on this bench? Lillibridge had entered, you aren’t PH’ing Romine for two reasons, and, shit, I can’t even think of who else is on the bench there. Gonzalez got axed already, can’t remember who replaced him. Don’t know who any backup OF is…

      holy shit, this is what it has come to. That I can’t even think of the 12-13 position players on the active roster right now. Talk about an injury wrecked team.

      • forensic says:

        Mesa and Neal are both on the bench, and I would’ve been fine with either. Hell, stick one in the OF and then put Wells at 1B since he’s been working there.

        The Lillibridge move was just as baffling. You bring up two righty OFers from AAA, then use your only backup IFer to hit for your DH against lefties??? What the hell is that?

        • Kramerica Industries says:

          There we go. The basepath overrunner and the irrelevant schmuck who got that one hit against the Angels that one time.

          I actually was apathetic of the Pronk/Lillibridge move. I mean, it’s not like Hafner was actually going to hit the ball at all tonight…

          • forensic says:

            Oh, I have zero problem whatsoever with taking Hafner out (or even just not starting him for a bit). I just don’t agree or understand using Lillibridge in his place.

            It’s kind of sad when someone’s been so bad for so long that you almost prefer Vernon Wells to play over him.

            • Kramerica Industries says:

              Vernon has been on a pretty nice run of not-being-overtly-terrible of late. Friday night’s RISPFAIL AB notwithstanding.

              Still not anywhere near the $13M he’s getting this season. But, you know, yay for this not affecting Mission $189M.

      • Esquire212 says:

        Melky Mesa couldn’t have been much worse.

  19. whitey says:

    I’ll try again, wtf is L Cruz doing on the team?

    • your mom says:

      He’s better than Gonzalez and Brignac at the plate. Not by much though.

      • Esquire212 says:

        Yet none of them were even on the INTERSTATE with the Yanks. Cruz is only here because of his ability to play 3rd, and for all intents and purposes, that error “cost” us the game in a roundabout way.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Probably the second best of any of the dipshits they’ve thrown on that side of the infield this season.

  20. Mark says:

    If you get ph for Brent Lillibridge in a non injury situation you should not be on this team anymore.

  21. jdiamond says:

    Not a mention about the blow call in the top of the 11 on the SB by Nunez? Yes, I realize the chances that Chris Stewart drives him in are pretty small, but still. That was a terrible call at the most inopportune time. Just seems like when it rains it pours.

  22. Steinbrenner's Ghost says:

    Will nobody be held accountable?

    Fire Cashman

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      That’s how Papa Bear would have done it.

      Papa Bear went 18 years without a championship. Maybe you should tell your handle that.

      • Anderson Silva says:

        There’s a pretty good argument to be made that Cashman should be fired after this season.

        He has assembled a terrible team and has no flexibility to get better. There is no help coming from the farm either.

        I think it’s time to get different ideas, because Cashman’s ideas are clearly not working anymore.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          I’ll say this again: We are much, much closer to the end of his time as GM than we are to the beginning.

          I don’t think anyone should be in any sort of leadership position like this for too long, and I think fresh ideas are always a good thing in an organization.

          However, I don’t think that means firing him in the least. I don’t have this sort of obsession with wanting to hold individuals accountable in a group sport that others do.

        • MannyGee is no longer an ACE says:

          No, you’re right. Cashman should totally get fired for building a team the way he’s been told (allowed) to do so for a decade and then make him change directions overnight.

          I can see how his budget gets cut by 20% overnight and he should be blamed for that. Totally Cashs’ fault that $189M is happening when 20% of his REMAINING budget was NOT SPENT BY HIM (A-Rod and Ichiro signings were done by the brass, I think we all agree there)

          You’re reaching, brother…

  23. WhittakerWalt says:

    Guys, stop crying when baseball broadcasters “still” talk about 2004. Yes, it totally fucking sucked for us as Yankee fans. But as a piece of baseball history it’s a fucking phenomenal story. When we whine this much it just feeds the Sox fans’ egos.

  24. Adam says:

    Just shut CC down for the month of August and if there’s anything left to play for in September (doubtful) bring him back. He’s been awful this entire season. If he can’t regain his arm strength during a normal offseason and get back to throwing in the mid 90s, well, then this team is fucked for the rest of his contract. He just cannot pitch topping out at 90 or 91 MPH. His location has been off all year and, as has been said numerous times, in previous years he’d be able to get by on days when he didn’t have his best stuff because his fastball was always good enough to rack up strikeouts. He’s not fooling anybody out there this year, and if he can’t go back to being a power pitcher this team is in serious trouble, especially when you consider the fact that Kuroda is most likely heading back to Japan next year.

  25. YankeePankee says:

    Hi Folks,
    Just read this about a young lefty pitcher that Cashman let go for nothing.
    He’s gained velocity, probably with workout and windup corrections that Cashman’s crack minor league system never taught him…sad.
    Sounds like a young Andy Pettitte, with velo now hitting 93-94 at times.

    • Kosmo says:

      which kind of salt do you prefer?

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Doesn’t even matter. Ten thousand pitchers in the minor leagues. He knows of one that popped up out of nowhere after being let go from single-a. Throw him a parade…..give him a raise…..

        Why I do love Stuart now?

    • steves says:

      Don’t you know anything? The Yanks were busy scouting and locking up the Polish left-handed market. Strzalka to the rescue!

    • MannyGee is no longer an ACE says:

      something something spaghetti against the wall something something danger zone.

      One in a million shot.

  26. Kosmo says:

    trade Joba for Kubel. DFA Hafner. Kubel then becomes part-time DH and COF. See if the FO can get either Texas, St Louis or the Angels to bite on a Hughes for 1 of Sardinas SS, Wong 2B, Lindsey 2B. NY can throw in another piece if necessary. All are blocked at their respective positions . All the teams mentioned would like to solidify their rotations.

  27. Mick taylor says:

    Two years ago the yanks should have let sabathia go an kept Burnett with the money saved they could have signed darvish

  28. FLYER7 says:

    Inability to sacrifice bunt plagues this team…at least THREE times in obvious bunt situations including a two on, no out time…Cruz and Nunez clueless on how to bunt…Noony will NEVER be a regular big league player, too many holes in his game…utility type at best BUT only plays SS…Hafner must be DFAd…

  29. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I guess that was a valiant way to lose two of three? What time did that actually end? I was in bed by the 8th.

    More AJ Burnett than CC Sabathia again tonight. Bet he can’t wait to see what 2014 looks like for him. Yipes.

    Perhaps this is more of “fall short in the end” than a “other shoe drops” kind of season. As long as you’re three out of the WC, no matter what the names on the back of the uniform are, you soldier on. I actually do believe Cashman when he says the hitters’ market hasn’t established itself, Mike. There’s still more than a week before the deadline. It’s not like we’re watching names trade places before our very eyes…..like in December.

    Perhaps the best move to be made is the one where he walks into Hal’s office and says, “this is where putting handcuffs on me gets us.”

    • JLC 776 says:

      That’s when Hal looks up from his game of Candy Crush, furrows his brow, and say’s “Huh? But we’re still making money, right?”

    • Rolling Doughnut says:

      It’s good to be optimistic, but better to be realistic. I don’t know if your suffered through the lean Yankee years but I have, and ths team is bad, like Horace Clark and Ruben Amaro bad. In 1965 they had aging stars like Mantle, Richardson, Kubek and Elston Howard, who were basically done. Then the team was shit for a decade. I hope I’m wrong, but this year is a bust and I don’t see much hope for 2014 either. I hope the baseball sages in the FO prove me wrong.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        From 89 to 93, they had Chuck Cary, Tim Leary, Clay Parker, Alvaro Espinoza, Lee Guetterman (led the team in wins one year!), and so on. Why do guys older than me discount that? Honest question. It not like we had Mantle and Maria right before that either.

        I went 18 years without a championship. I can get through MUCH worse than this.

        Also, how am I not being realistic? Is only negativism valid as reality now? Simply stating that this team is three games out of the WC is lying?

        • Kosmo says:

          The difference is we´re just much older than the 20 and 30 somethings that blog here.
          IMO none of us older guys discount it but just simply overlook it. I can say that I really enjoyed the Mattingly era. Just to watch Donny hit was a joy.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            And being older means…..? I don’t have to take a backseat to anyone in their 50′s and 60′s as far as baseball wisdom goes. I’m almost 40 years old. I have a family, a stable upper middle-class experience, and have kept a two year-old child from running into the middle of the street multiple times. I matter. Damnit, Kosmo, I matter.

            (Yes, I realize I am ironically pouting right now. You can handle this, Kosmo. I like you.)

            Someone just give me a logical response……never mind, I’ll give it, since I can give a better counterargument to anything I ever say anyway. Ready?

            “2013 resemble the late 1960′s more because those lean years came due to the team clinging to aging superstars and not developing a plan to replace them. The late 80′s and early 90′s were more a result of a faulty plan of expecting average veterans, acquired for younger players, to play like superstars finally catching up to the franchise. This was compounded by Robert Neiderlander becoming Managing General Partner in Papa Bear’s absence and, immediately, going fishing, as well as Gene Michael stepping in and finally having some long-term common sense that stung in the short term.”

            I can have that not-difficult insight, and I wasn’t even born until ’74! I didn’t even need to consult FanGraphs on that!

            If only Kenheadley, or whoever, would say just that, this world would be a much better place.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:


            • Kosmo says:

              being older just means being older. More mileage. Not necessarily wiser. Frankly the late 60´s or late 80´s mean absolutely nothing to me although the late 60´s have a bit more nostalgia. Even that sounds like an overstatement.

  30. JLC 776 says:

    This loss is 95% on CC. You can get angry at a punchless offense, but they at least put something together – death of a thousand cuts-like.

    I get that CC isn’t what he used to be, but he’s got to get better than what he has been this year.

    CC’s woes this year are also a big reason why I think it is the height of insanity to be trying to dump Hughes the way everyone wants to. As bad as this team is this year, can you imagine next year if CC continues on this trajectory and we don’t have Pettitte, Kuroda, or Hughes?

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      At some point, you have to see whether the next batch has what it takes, though. Yes, they may fall flat on their face, but look how many people here want to see the younger guys. Well, that uncertainty is what it looks like.

      They wouldn’t be able to handle a true rebuild. Look at KC. Actual good young players, still can’t find the right combo. Why would we be exempt from that? They’d jump back on the bridge just to be able to jump off again.

      • Conor in China says:

        The Yankees rebuilding experience would be different. More like the Cubs because they could supplement normal development with signing free agents and making conditional offers in risky/expensive situations like Hughes and Granderson. Plus they can jump start the rebuilding process by trading some decent pitchers this off-season for prospects. It still might not be successful, but it could be.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          That’s the whole “Rays with money” thing, which they could certainly get to and, perhaps, that’s the plan. If that’s it, though, we’re still in the infancy of it.

  31. Marc Harris says:

    When is Joe going to start using the DH instead of batting the pitcher ?….oh wait, Hafner is not a pitcher. A complete disgrace. How many players did we get rid of from last season that are better then Hafner at hitting? Even Damon would have been a huge upgrade. Hafner’s at bats are not watchable.

  32. Captain_Turbo says:

    On the bright side I thought the Sox would sweep us so you have that, but still disappointing. We seem to have trouble coming up with those late-inning rallies this year.

  33. The Real Greg says:

    Even when they tied the game, it felt that if they didn’t take the lead in that inning, then they would lose anyway.

    This has been a catastrophic year in both the offseason and the season so far.

    • JOhn C says:

      Night to forget for Overbay for sure. 2 killer DPs in big spots. Hafner should be DFAed immediately. This guy has nothing left. He’s done. Let Neal or Mesa play. Can’t do any worse

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

      “Even when they tied the game, it felt that if they didn’t take the lead in that inning, then they would lose anyway.”

      And as we’ve seen from basically every game thread, the result of the game has 0 correlation to how you feel.

      You always feel that they’ll lose anyway.

  34. Frank says:

    A-Rod, Tex, CC. Three horrible contracts that will weigh on this franchise for the next 4 years.

  35. Big Member says:

    yankees need to realize that CC is no longer the pitcher that he was before. the man loses all his composure especially when facing al east teams like tampa and boston hes just not an al east pitcher anymore. yanks cant keep throwing him ou there every days and not expect 7 ER in 5 innings.

    however like to all problems theres as olution to this one as well. yankees hitters have been absolutely terrible this year. i propose moving cc to first base for the remainder of the season until he figures out how to ptch better. yanks cant continue wathing overbay go 0 for 10 in single games and leave 12 baserunners on bases. maybe cc figures it out and turns into a pablo sandoval like hitter. the man knows how to hit baseballs.

  36. FLYER7 says:

    Refresh my memory…David Adams was worse than Cruz? Perhaps Adams should be reinstalled at third and Cruz stay on as backup at SS until Jeter returns and then DFA Cruz…at least Liiibridge can play multiple postions…btw when speaking of those 65-66-67 Yankees lest we forget Roger Repoz, Bill Monbouquette, Ray Barker, Steve Barber, Frank Tepedino and Charlie Sands???

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Maybe you’ll answer my question, then, as to why you old guys love to fly the late 60′s flag while poo-pooing on those of us who experienced 89-93. You had Mantle and Maris preceding all that. What did we have? Mattingly and Winfield finishing second, or worse, every year?

      So tired of the 60′s posturing.

      • Kosmo says:

        and preceding Mattingly and Winfield NY had Munson, Reggie, Nettles, Randolph, Piniella to name a few. I can´t recall 1 blogger who is “poo-pooing“ the 89-93 teams.
        Who is posturing ?

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          Not you, Kosmo. I don’t think you’re doing so.

          However, too many guys on here assume that only fans that lived through the 60′s understand what watching this franchise lose means. I cry bullshit on that. I lived through the 90′s. I also pulled double duty as Marlins fan throughout the 90′s. I got to watch two teams miserably lose at the same time.

          You’re hearing the cumulative effect of hearing TEH HORACE CLARKE for years now. I’ll raise you a TEH TIM LEARY.

      • Rolling Doughnut says:

        I think we’re talking past each other. I kind of agree with Kosmo’s posts. Anyway, my point is only that we might be in worse shape than you think. True, they are 3 games off the WC BUT that is mostly because of a better than expected April and part of May. They have been pretty bad since then, and the schedule is tougher in the second half. AND it looks like the cavalry won’t be coming back soon to save the day. Then there’s 2014 looming on the horizon. Hence the analogy to the mid 60′s.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:


          I think we often confuse my pointing out what’s possible with what I actually think will happen.

    • Pat D says:

      You know, when you pick a couple of guys who were All-Stars before their tenures with the Yankees, you hurt your point.

      How about this? I lived through Bob Geren, Clay Parker, Dave LaPoint, Greg Cadaret, Walt Terrell, Chuck Cary, Dave Eiland, Oscar Azocar, Kevin Maas, Jeff Johnson, Wade Taylor……

      So how about we give up this whole “Back in my day we suffered through the likes of…” game.

      • Kosmo says:

        you´ve chosen to put your own spin on the older guys talking about the late 1960´s teams. Who really gives a flying fuck if their names are Chuck Cary or Jake Gibbs. It´s all in good fun.

        • Pat D says:

          I was listing guys just to prove that the 89-92 years were probably worse than the late 60s teams. People seem to forget that 1990 and 1991 were worse than any of the “lean years” from 65-75. They only had two truly bad years in there, the rest of the time they were mediocre, slightly below or above .500 ever year, except 1970 and 1974 when they won 93 and 89 games.

          So I’m sorry, but I can’t stand the whining about how the CBS years sucked. They sucked in comparison to what immediately preceded them. And anything short of being in the World Series every year would suck in comparison to that era.

          It’s not all in good fun, it’s another way some people on here try to prove that they’re better fans than others. It’s fucking stupid.

        • Rolling Doughnut says:

          Tommy Tresh if we’re name dropping. Rookie of the Year in 62 then a complete flameout. Take that Tilapia.

  37. MABCT06 says:

    I am just shocked this offense has scored 5 or more runs 37 times this season…

  38. will says:

    Who would of thought that 6 of these names would be starters. Only gardner cano and ichiro have the name caliber to be a yankee

  39. Pat D says:

    This was a fairly depressing game. I didn’t watch much of it, but getting a 3-0 lead and having CC blow it really sucks. But fighting back to tie it and then lose it sucks so much more.

    Being the general cynic and pessimist that I am, compounded with being tired after non-stop schoolwork yesterday, I knew that as soon as the game went to extra innings they would lose. Mostly because I knew Rivera would never come into the game so long as it was tied.

    Oh, well. Limp forward, brave soldiers.

  40. mt says:

    We should have a competent right handed first baseman backup on 25 man roster -I don’t care which at or below replacement level infielder or outfielder Yanks have to DFA.

    Overbay has hit righties and had some clutch hits but he should not have been in that position last night against the lefty pitchers, especially the second time he hit into double play.

    Instead we have outfielders Mesa and Neal (when Lillibridge can also play outfield.).

    I believe Texas also has 3 lefties in bullpen so we will see more of same.

    That being said we would not have scored the runs we did without Boston committing errors- so hard for this offense to score without an occasional double or homer.

  41. Crime Dog says:

    I would think Joba is getting real close to either a DFA or a trade for another out of favor player. If you’re going to use your long reliever (who has been really good, mind you) before your last middle reliever, then he really has no role or use. It might be time to see what Betances can give you in the big league pen soon.

  42. Crime Dog says:

    Also I think it might be time to DFA Hafner. He just hasn’t been good, and hes a bad day away from a sub .700 OPS. I’m not really sure who you can replace him with, but he’s been horrendous since he sat out a few games with that shoulder soreness or whatever it was in May.

  43. Shittyshittybangbang says:

    Shorter leash for CC ? 7 runs before you “yank” him ? Save for catastrophe, CC’s not going anywhere, but a bit of a shorter leash might not be a bad thing, maybe ?
    And on the #revisionisthistory tip, why did we not re-sign B. Colon ?
    We invested time, money and effort to bring this guy “back” from oblivion and then just let him go.

    • Rolling Doughnut says:

      CC’s transition to a “pitcher’s pitcher” is not going well. He seems to be figuring out that he can’t finish hitters off anymore with the fastball but he can’t locate the offspeed stuff either. Colon ran out of gas last Sept didn’t he? His rejuvenation this year was a surprise I’d say.

  44. Cuso says:

    The Yankees have scored at least 5 runs in 37 games??

    Could’ve fooled me.

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