Sanchez apparently hurt in Tampa loss

A-Rod strikes out three times in latest rehab game
Offense breaks out for five runs; Kuroda carries Yankees to win over BoSox

Another day, another round of notes and roster moves:

  • OF Mikeson Oliberto was bumped up to Double-A Trenton from Short Season Staten Island while OF Cody Grice was moved back up to Triple-A Scranton, reports Mike Ashmore. Scranton needed some help after OF Melky Mesa and OF Thomas Neal were called up to the show.
  • LHP Francisco Rondon was sent back down to Double-A Trenton after his spot start last week, according to Ashmore. To clear room, LHP Aaron Dott was placed on the DL with a blister.
  • LHP David Huff was activated off the Triple-A Scranton DL, reports Donnie Collins. He wasn’t actually hurt, it was just a paper move to clear an extra roster spot around the All-Star break.
  • UTIL Kevin Mahoney is done for the season following elbow surgery, reports Ashmore. The 26-year-old hit .209/.297/.266 in 160 plate appearances between Double-A and Triple-A while playing first, second, third, and left.

Triple-A Scranton (2-1 loss to Louisville in ten innings)

  • 2B David Adams: 1-5
  • DH Alex Rodriguez: 0-4, 3 K — had a little more on him earlier
  • CF Adonis Garcia: 1-4, 1 2B
  • 1B Randy Ruiz: 2-4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 HR, 1 RBI — 11th homer in 32nd game with SWB
  • RF-3B Ronnie Mustelier: 0-4, 1 K
  • LHP David Huff: 6 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K, 3/6 GB/FB — 64 of 101 pitches were strikes (60%)
  • RHP Jim Miller: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 4/1 GB/FB — 23 of 31 pitches were strikes (74%) … 65/19 K/BB in 46 innings

Double-A Trenton (7-4 loss to New Hampshire)

  • LF Ramon Flores: 0-4, 1 BB, 2 K
  • CF Slade Heathcott: 2-5, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 3B, 1 RBI, 1 K — .342/.382/.500 in July
  • LHP Nik Turley: 5 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 0 K, 3/5 GB/FB — 49 of 96 pitches were strikes (51%) … this was a battle, for sure
  • LHP Francisco Rondon: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 1/0 GB/FB — half of his 24 pitches were strikes … 37/17 K/BB in his last 34.1 innings

High-A Tampa (9-4 loss to Jupiter)

  • CF Mason Williams: 1-5 — threw a runner out at third
  • 3B Peter O’Brien: 3-4, 2 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 3 E (two fielding, one throwing) — 19 hits in his last 44 at-bats (.432) with four doubles and three homers
  • C Gary Sanchez: 0-2 — left the game in the third after a play at the plate, though he was the runner and not the catcher … whatever it is, hopefully it’s nothing serious
  • 2B Rob Refsnyder: 1-2, 1 R, 2 BB
  • RHP Rafael DePaula: 3 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 3 K, 1 WP, 2/5 GB/FB — first appearance since the Futures Game

Low-A Charleston (9-5 win over Hickory)

  • CF Jake Cave: 2-5, 1 R, 1 BB
  • SS Cito Culver: 1-3, 2 R, 3 BB, 1 K — seven hits in his last 17 at-bats (.412) with four walks and three strikeouts
  • DH Greg Bird: 0-3, 2 R, 1 RBI, 2 BB, 3 K — no contact kinda day
  • 3B Dante Bichette Jr.: 2-4, 2 R, 2 2B, 4 RBI, 1 BB — ten hits in his last 40 at-bats (.250), but three doubles and three homers
  • 2B Angelo Gumbs: 2-5, 1 2B, 2 RBI, 1 K
  • RHP Jose Campos: 4 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K, 2/4 GB/FB — 33/3 K/BB in his last 35.2 innings

Short Season Staten Island was rained out. They’re going to play a doubleheader tomorrow.

Rookie GCL Yanks1 (2-1 win over GCL Astros)

  • DH Tyler Wade: 1-4, 1 R, 2 K
  • SS Abi Avelino: 2-4, 1 R — seven walks and six strikeouts in 14 games
  • 2B Gosuke Katoh: 1-4, 1 3B, 2 RBI, 2 K — fourth triple in 21 pro games
  • 1B Chris Breen: 1-2, 1 2B, 2 BB — ten hits in his last 29 at-bats (.345) with four doubles, a triple, and a homer
  • RF Austin Aune: 0-4, 3 K
  • LHP Chaz Hebert: 5 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 9 K, 5/0 GB/FB — 25/9 K/BB in 22 innings
  • LHP Nestor Cortes: 1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K — pro debut for this year’s 36th rounder
  • LHP Jose Diaz: 1 IP, zeroes, 1 K, 1/0 GB/FB

Rookie GCL Yanks2 (4-3 win over GCL Blue Jays)

  • 2B Bryan Cuevas: 2-4, 2 R, 1 SB
  • 3B Miguel Andujar: 1-3, 1 R, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 1 K — first homer of the year … he hit one in 50 GCL games last year
  • C Luis Torrens: 1-4, 1 K
  • 1B-3B Renzo Martini: 2-4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 K — three straight two-hit games
  • DH Drew Bridges: 1-4, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 2 K — pro debut for this year’s 20th rounder
  • SS Thairo Estrada: 0-4, 1 K
  • LF Nathan Mikolas: 0-3, 3 K
  • RHP Mark Montgomery: 1 IP, zeroes, 1 K, 1 HB — third rehab game here, have to think he’ll move back up to Triple-A relatively soon
  • RHP Dallas Martinez: 3 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 1 HB, 5/2 GB/FB — 18-year-old has yet to walk a batter in his 6.2 innings
A-Rod strikes out three times in latest rehab game
Offense breaks out for five runs; Kuroda carries Yankees to win over BoSox
  • YankeeGrunt

    Clarkin, Judge and Fowler are, by my count, the only three signees who have yet to play.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Looks like Pete O’Brien earned himself his nightly comment section blowjob tonight.

    Slade looking good again, the Prince of Hialeah makes his pro debut, and the only downside tonight is, hopefully, both an OK Alex and Gary Sanchez.

    • Mac

      O’Brien is like the poster child for blog warz. Half the comments are about how he is the greatest prospect ever and we should ignore Ks. The other half are about how he is a total non-prospect and we should ignore everything except Ks. There are really very few reasonable comments made. People feel the need to gravitate towards one extreme or the other. Very interesting to watch.

      • YankeeGrunt

        I like O’Brien and his power is intriguing, as is his BA. The thing that troubles me almost as much as his K rate is his walk rate, which is miniscule considering the power he has been displaying. But if he can be a little more selective (which should help his K rate too) the bat could be dynamic. He has a rep as a hard worker with a professional approach to conditioning, it may take a spring training for him to become even a below average 3B but I wouldn’t bet against him.

        • Mac

          I’m saying that the now nightly arguments basically go back and forth between people claiming he’s the Yankees best prospect and people claiming he’s not a prospect at all. I agree that he’s a pretty good prospect, but obviously one who still has plenty to prove. I’m saying that there’s no need for people to present him as either the next Bryce Harper or the next McDonald’s cashier.

          I would give it some time on the BB%. I’m not saying that it will go up, I’m just saying give it some time to see where it truly is. He was at nearly 10% in Charleston, but has been below 5% in SI and Tampa. We’re talking about samples that are too small to really draw any definitive conclusions.

          • Cool Lester Smooth

            I’m still really proud of my Arencibia comp: Big power, loads of Ks and not that many walks along with BA defense at C.

            This isn’t an insult either. JP Arencibia is a nice backup C.

            • Mac

              It’s a fine comparison, as long as you realize that one-to-one comparisons are pretty much worthless. JP didn’t K nearly as much in the minors. It was not inevitable that he’d end up as he has. He hasn’t improved much at all in several years (his K% has actually steadily, though marginally increased over three MLB seasons). O’Brien could flame out in AA or he could make some improvement that allow him to go on to be a much better MLB hitter than Arencibia. The other issue is the forgone BB% conclusion when he walked a fair amount in Charleston. There’s not really a trend yet. Didn’t walk, walked, didn’t walk in three small samples. I’m not liking his chances of walking a lot, but let’s see what he does as he adjusts to new levels. He has barely walked at all in A+, but is at a passable 7.7% for the season.

              Chris Davis is another college guy with huge power who K’d 30% and BB’d 5% in high-A.

              Mike Napoli is about as legit a comparison as Arencibia. He walked a lot in the minors, but he actually K’ed in the high 20%s through the minors like O’Brien while Arencibia never did (he was a low-20s, high teens guy).

              Not to say he’ll have Davis’ or Napoli’s success, just to point out that the Arencibia comparison is not a prognosis of where O’Brien will wind up. It’s just one player who is like him in some ways.

              Trumbo is another possible comparison. Not a big BB guy throughout the minors, though he K’ed even less than Arencibia in the minors (has started K’ing a lot last two MLB seasons).

              The list goes on of guys who fit some part of the description. I’m sure that their success ranges from AA flame-outs to good MLB hitters. We’ll have to see where O’Brien ends up.

              • Mac

                What I mean to say, basically, is that it’s a sample size issue. You can point to Arencibia, someone else can point to Davis/Napoli, someone else can point to a AA flameout. We have no idea about the likelihood of which path O’Brien will take if we try to use single data points as comparisons/projections or quarrel over which of a few comparables he’s most like.

                If we look at every guy who has historically met certain criteria, then we could start to get a little more of a distribution of how different guys who met those criteria developed. This would help get us some probabilities of where O’Brien might end up. Far from an exact science and I have no idea how accurate it would actually be, but probably would tell us more than a single comparison to an MLB player with some similarities.

              • Cool Lester Smooth

                Unfortunately, I’m not sure Chris Davis works. He was a year younger, had been jumped up to Hi-A from short season ball and finished that year by making the Eastern League his bitch.

                Im nit sure Bapoli lines u either with anything other than the Ks, but he might make a nice, favorable comp for Bird, though.

                • Cool Lester Smooth

                  Oh, that second paragraph is embarrassing. I hate commenting from my phone.

                  • Dave From Balmy Jax

                    In looking at the Trenton roster, I see a bunch of org guys at C and 3B. Since it doesn’t look like Sanchez is going anywhere, I wonder if they might promote O’Brien. He could get work at both positions and AA would probably be a good test to see if he really can rake.

                • Mac

                  You seem to have ignored my point. Quarreling over which comparison fits more perfectly is completely useless. A waste of time. None of them fit perfectly. This is why I commented on your pride about your little comp. Comps stink. O’Brien is not Arencibia. He is O’Brien.

                  Napoli is just as good a comp, objectively, as Arencibia. He could barely C. He hits for power. He ACTUALLY K’d as much as O’Brien in the minors (which Arencibia did not). And O’Brien is walking more than Arencibia when you include the bulk of his season in Low A.

                  One year younger? Really? That disqualifies a comparison? Most good college bats are “jumped” to High A from Short Season. O’Brien likely would have been, too, had he not been a C. You are really grasping at straws to try to prove your comparison is the best. As I’ve tried to tell you, I could care less if it’s the best. There are others.

                  Again, the point is about small samples. Try to understand my second comment here. A single point estimate is a terrible way to evaluate prospects. A million different things went into taking Arencibia from A+ (where he was K’ing only like 17% anyway) to MLB. Even if they were identical in A+, those million things are incredibly unlikely to go exactly the same for O’Brien.

                  • Cool Lester Smooth

                    …or because he’s not a good college bat!

                    (Sorry, had to)

                    But yeah, Davis had essentially the same line at AA as a 21 year old that O’Brien had at Low-A as a 22 year old, albeit with fewer Ks and more walks. That’s pretty huge.

                    And yeah, all these comps are pretty pointless, but I enjoy making them and then justifying them by rooting around Fangraphs and B-R. It’s fun and it gets a discussion going.

              • Samuel

                So, Mac, it looks like you finally acknowledged my answer to your question from the other days thread.

                Chris Davis did K 30% in A ball and has been pretty good in the majors. Napoli exactly same numbers as O’Brien at same level of minors.

                YankeeGrunt – I venture to say O’Brien is already “selective” in his approach. He selects good pitches to hit, and rips them no matter what the count. So, if a 0-0 pitch is over the plate, he swings. He doesn’t “work” the count just for the sake of taking pitches. Taking strikes is only going to get him to two strikes quickly, where his chasing pitches is magnified.

                • trr

                  I’m not sure why the split on O’Brien. Personally. I see him as a still developing player for whom the final chapter is still unwritten. I hope the team holds on to him and allows him to progress.

                • Mac

                  I have no idea what you are referring to.

                  You are one of the people creating this huge problem of equally ridiculous arguments about O’Brien from both extremes.

                  If O’Brien is so selective, why is he K’ing and ton and not walking a ton? Your argument seems to make little sense.

                  • Samuel

                    In this thread (at 11:42) where you ask me, “who can you point to that K’d 30% of the time in A-ball and went on to be a successful MLB player?”


                    And I reply Chris Davis and Mike Napoli.

                    Then you state the same things two days later.

                    THAT is what I was referring to. You know you saw it and claimed the facts as your own, and never acknowledged that I answered your question.

                    I stated my point in hitter selectivity re: O’Brien in my prior post. If you don’t (or can’t) understand it, then I can not help you any longer.

                    Maybe a good psychiatrist might help.

                    • Mac

                      Are you really claiming MiLB statistics as your own intellectual property? I did not, in fact, see that point. If you really want me to pat you on the back for being able to use fangraphs… so be it. Awesome job, kid!

                      I understand your point, and it is illogical.

          • Nos Lendet

            Ted why don’t you just go back to your old handle?

            • Cool Lester Smooth

              That isn’t Ted. OhioYanks is Ted.

              • Tom

                OhioYanks = Mac = Ted…

                “Mac” popped up when “OhioYanks” left and in a strange coincidence seem to get all upset about the KLaw mocking (when he wasn’t even involved in that discussion. but OhioYanks was)

                I guess it’s just rotating handles at this point. You just need to look for phrases like “highly regarded by his peers for his defense” “rates high on pitch framing” and any absurd use of statistics to make Stewart sound like an average catcher (like the mideseason grade articles – that made for some good amusement). Oh and reply trees to saturation ending 80% of the time with a certain name.

                The Chris Stewart comments from Mac are just re-treads from the Martin vs Stewart stuff in the offseaon where Ted was convinced one part of Stewelli had a good chance to put up the value Martin would have.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Neither are Ted, and I haven’t seen Mac be condescending to anyone just because they didn’t agree on a point, which is more OhioYanks than Ted. Ted just couldn’t resist taking the bait from those who wanted to pick a fight with him.

                  I very much enjoy what mac has to say on here.

                  • Bo Knows

                    Ted picked fights all the time,and 9/10 he was the one who started it. You were honestly the only person who hasn’t had deal with that douche’s insults and constant belittling.

                • Mac

                  Perhaps it’s just that any reasonable analysis of Stewart indicates that he’s far better than he is regarded on this site. Because Mike hates the guy, his followers are blind to his actual production and to the production of other Cs.

                  Stewart is not a good starting C, but he is a good BUC. If that’s what you mean by average, sure. On this site he gets treated like he has no business in MLB. I believe this is mostly because fans here don’t bother to look around the league at the state of BUCs. And because Mike prefers to ignore D, so his minions fall into the same trap.

                  • Cool Lester Smooth

                    No one has a problem with Stewart as a BUC. He’s a more than passable one.

                    However, he has absolutely no business starting in the MLB, so it was beyond stupid to let Martin go, especially considering that he was willing to come back on a one year deal.

                    I haven’t seen anyone whose opinion I take seriously say anything more than that.

                    • Mac

                      I disagree. People were smashing Stewart all over the place last season when he was a BUC. There are constantly people questioning why he’s in MLB. I don’t know if you respect Mike Axisa, but the guy is always calling Stewart out. Calling him a bad defender. He obviously isn’t a good hitter, so if you call his defense bad… where does that leave your overall evaluation?

                      He was the BUC going into the season. If the starter gets hurt, who is the starter? If your starter is one of the better back-ups around you’re not doing terribly. Stewart isn’t a good starter, but he’s also not embarrassing himself. He’s 22nd in fWAR among Cs. Stewart is not the Yankees biggest problem.

                      Re-signing Martin wouldn’t necessarily help matters. Perhaps they keep Cervelli over Stewart, but who knows? If Martin gets hurt, they could be in the same spot. It’s also looking a lot worse right now because he’s suddenly revived his career in Pittsburgh to have his best year in 5 years (though he’s been cold recently). Maybe this is something the Yankees could have anticipated, but it’s certainly not something that I did.

                    • Cool Lester Smooth

                      I’ve never seen Mike call Stewart a bad defender. He’s just said that his defense isn’t on the otherworldly Molina-esque level that it would have to be for him to be even remotely justifiable as a starting catcher.

                      Martin is just as good, if not better, defensively, and he’s an average to above average offensive catcher. In fact, he was exactly average offensively last year, before his career “resurrection.”

                      If the Yanks weren’t suffering because of it, I’d enjoy watching all of the people who spent the last two years bitching about Martin get to see what a bad offensive catcher actually looks like.

                      Even if you cherry pick Martin’s numbers only since his production peak in mid-May, showing him in the worst possible light, his OPS is still 10 points higher than Stewart’s and his RE24 blows Stewart’s away.

                      Also, being 22nd in fWAR among Cs is embarassing yourself. He’s in the bottom third of the league. That’s not acceptable for a starting player on a team with designs on a playoff spot.

                • Cool Lester Smooth

                  I’ve seen Mac and OhioYanks show up on the same thread…

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Yeah. It’s the type of thing we see over and over on here. Someone will find a one to chew on, and then comes the backlash.

        He’s certainly. Worth watching. I just feel the bat should be good at the lower levels, being that he was a college senior. The k’s are concerning. The lack of position is somewhat less concerning, but shouldn’t be ignored.

        Lets see him get to AA.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Bone to chew on

      • vicki

        it’s a fever endemic to baseball blogs. part of the fun.

        • Mac

          I think it would be more fun to have reasonable discussions, personally, than to have people making equally unreasonable points on both sides of an issue.

    • Bo Knows

      He’s not a bad prospect, he’s obviously a good hitter but the lack patience and the K’s are annoying, they don’t preclude him from being a decent player in the bigs. Honestly every time I think about O’Brien, I think about Mark Trumbo. They are both players with practically all their value tied to their bat, specifically their power. What makes the comp appropriate is that Trumbo was never an especially patient hitter even in the minors.

    • Evan3457

      23 in A-ball, even hi-A, leaves me dubious.

      • YankeeGrunt

        He just turned 23 and has been in the org for less than a year. It really doesn’t mean a whole lot. If he’s 25 or 26 and still at AA have at it.

        • Evan3457

          I know he was a college player. What I’m saying is that level of hitting from a 23 year old in A-Ball leaves me dubious.

          If he can hit like that in AA next at age 24, I’ll still be dubious, but less so.

          • Evan3457

            Especially with a 10-1 K/BB ratio in A ball.

          • Mac

            You seem to be looking for reasons to be doubtful more than anything. He literally just turned 23. This is his 22 year old season. If he were born two or three months later, would that honestly change your perception of his MLB prospects? If so, do you think you should re-examine your criteria? Age is one indicator to look at with prospects, but it tells a small part of the story. People have pointed out time and again that plenty of successful MLB hitters (mostly NCAA guys) were in A-ball at 22 with similar K rates. At the same time, guys like Fernando Martinez who get the benefit of the doubt for being so young for their level and not producing don’t always work out.

            None of this is to say that O’Brien will work out. Just that his age for level is a small part of the criteria for evaluating that.

            • Cool Lester Smooth

              Martinez was just as good as O’Brien in Low A as a 17 year old. No one was giving him the benefit of the doubt by getting excited about him then or when he did the same thing in AAA as a 20 year old. Martinez’s issues were that he was rushed and that he couldn’t stay healthy, not that he didn’t have the talent.

              • Mac

                Those are two small samples several years apart. In between he was league average. When he got a larger sample in AAA, he was again league average.

                • Mac

                  It’s impossible to make a comment on this site without someone missing your point to nitpick the hell out of some detail.

      • Samuel

        It is the natural progression for college hitters taken in the draft. Start at short season, then Low A, and if they hit well, move them to High A.

        The Mets catching prospect drafted last year, Kevin Plawecki, is on the same path. Next year both probably start again in High A with a quick call up to Double A if they continue to hit, which both will.

        I saw games in Savannah this year when O’Brien and Plawecki were competing catchers. Both can hit.

        • Mac

          If you use your first hand experience watching these guys to make points that would stand on their own even if you hadn’t seen them, I think people would be much more receptive to them. Not trying to be a dick at all here, just trying to help you think of it from someone else’s perspective.

          The “I watched a game so I know everything” line isn’t overly convincing. Your logic in all these points is basically, “I saw him, trust me on this.” Why should I trust you? I don’t know who you are or what you know about baseball. (And even scouts are wrong on these guys constantly, so your absolute statements just aren’t convincing.) It’s an anonymous comment, so I really have no idea if you even did go to these games. You don’t provide any detail about what you saw, just that you saw it and know that it means X guy can hit and Y guy can’t.

          And, as I said earlier, you’ve turned the guy into Babe Ruth. You don’t have to go to that extreme to argue against people who don’t like his prospects. I would say it actually hurts your argument far more than it helps.

          • Samuel

            My points don’t stand on their own? How is that even possible?

            Never said “I know everything.” Giving my opinion about what I saw regarding bat speed, approach, instincts etc. In that June game, DBJ tripled (O’Brien did too for b2b),and DBJ was diff then when I saw him in May. Much more selective, diff stance (squatted like Bagwell) and didn’t swing for fences each pitch.

            Things change for players day to day, week to week, and month to month during seasons. I try and see guys multiple times before I comment.

            I never said “trust me on this” either. I am firm in my beliefs. I liked Phelps and Warren when they were in High A and AA, didn’t like Betances at all, but liked ManBan lots. Loved Gardner since first day I saw him in Staten Island.

            Some guys work out, some don’t. By I go by what I see, the questions I ask the players and feedback for team coaches, etc. I NEVER go by what scouts say in conversations.

            SO, I am on the record saying Greg Bird will be great (multi X AS), O’Brien will eventually hit in majors, and I also believe if the Yankees left Ivan Nova alone to pitch every five days, he could be really friggin good (15-20 wins each year good).

            I guess we are all anonymous on here, right, Mac – or Ted or Ohio or whatever your handle is.

            And there was only one Babe Ruth, but I never saw him play. But I did wear his last ever baseball jersey for 10 minutes, which was pretty cool.

            Trivia Question: what teams jersey was it?

            My statements about O’Brien are basically he will hit at the higher levels even tho he is striking out 25-30% of the time as he swings early in count lots of times at the first strike he sees. When he gets into two strike counts is when he chases. What is so hard to understand about that? I don’t “argue” with people on here, I basically refine my points I previously made.

            • Cool Lester Smooth

              The Boston Braves, obviously. Everyone knows that.

              That’s pretty awesome, though.

              • Samuel

                Actually, it was Brooklyn Dodgers.

                Ruth coached first base for them in 1938.

                Kind of a trick question. Didn’t say player jersey.

                Anyway, Ruth wanted Brooklyn manager job, didn’t get it, but Leo Durocher did. Ruth hated Durocher back from days when they played on late 20s Yankees teams. Durocher used to steal money from teammates and Ruth left bills in his wallet which were marked. They were taken and Ruth confronted Durocher, who had the market bills in his possession.

                Durocher was traded to Cincinnati right after that.

            • Mac

              You seem to enjoy talking to yourself rather than having a conversation. It’s annoying. That’s all I’m saying to you. You can turn around and insult me. This is an anonymous blog.

              Most of your points come across as “trust me on this.” You rarely give much context. It’s mostly, “I saw him play and he’s the next Joe Mauer.” Then someone points out to you that Joe Mauer is insanely good and was the consensus #1 prospect two years in a row, to which you reply that he wasn’t actually that great. It gets old.

              • Mac

                Then you say things about rankings only mattering to people who don’t watch prospect. When, clearly, the guys making the rankings do watch prospects. You are not the only guy that goes to minor league baseball games. And reasonable people can go to a game and disagree. You constantly make rude comments about how people who watch know. No. People who watch games can still disagree. Especially projecting what guys will do years in the future against much tougher comp.

                • Samuel

                  Prospect rankings matter most to fans of the minor leagues who don’t get a chance to see their teams prospects play live.

                  A Yankee fan in CA doesn’t really get a chance to see any of these kids play, nor does a fan from OH who lives away from Akron, where Trenton travels a couple times a year.

                  The prospect lists are important to them, and that is why they are made. That and for advertising dollars from sponsors.

                  Btw, not every “prospect guy” watches the kids play. Keith Law does, John Manuel does, Ben Badler does, but Jonathan Mayo I bet doesn’t see many minor league games. Many, many prospect guys have personal contacts with dozens of scouts they trust, and get opinions from them about certain guys.

                  Please point out where I made a rude comment.

                  I disagree all the time with people at games about certain players. Never a hostile moments, just difference of opinion. However, they will needle me when I am wrong, and that does happen.

                  I was wrong (so far) on Banuelos. I thought he was going to be a star, and a starting pitcher in the majors by now. I also thought Montero was going to be a stud. I still think the Yankees should try and get him back now on the cheap.

                  • Mac

                    No way. You can’t predict exactly how every prospect will turn out?

                    This is my point… You act as if prospect watching is a game of absolutes.

                    • Samuel

                      It is a game of opinions based upon ability to play baseball. Not necessarily “tools” but baseball playing ability.

                      But when I do formulate an opinion after watching a kid live several times, I will be strong in my beliefs.

                      Bird will be a MLB star, and O’Brien will be a good MLB hitter. They both “get it” up at the plate, but with different styles.

              • Samuel

                When did I ever say Mauer wasn’t good?

                So you think I would compare the hitting approach of a kid (Bird) I think is really good to someone I think is not that good?

                That sounds logical.

                And I never said Bird is the next Joe Mauer. I said Bird has the gap to gap hitting style of Mauer, same type swing, and has same plate discipline as former Yankee Nick Johnson.

                I said that many top prospect guys never really make it, so I don’t put much emphasis on prospect rankings.

                I really think you only get halfway thru reading my posts before you go typing away with what you think I actually said. That gets old.

                • Mac

                  No, for some reason I read them all. Probably will stop doing that.

                  Have fun writing long comments that no one responds to.

                  • Samuel

                    There is one reason why people do not respond to a written post.

                    They agree with the premise.

                    Most people who respond to a posted comment usually disagree.

                    That is why we go back and forth.

  • Curtis

    Had to look up Chaz Hebbert after seeing the Ks. So he was drafted in the 27th round of the ’11 round. The GCL is weird for me to follow because I don’t know much about most of these guysm. Just some random names

    • YankeeGrunt

      Hebert pitched well in the GCL last year, it’s a bit of a mystery why he didn’t start at SI or even Charleston this year. Relatively raw for a lefty but his BB rate is way up this year (SSS).

      • Curtis

        Oh thanks! Good stuff

  • Travis L.

    Just a question, but the GCL guys…will they stay there til the end of the season, or do they get moved up? I never remember how that goes year to year.

    • Mac

      Almost all of them will likely stay there, but some top prospect types move up. (Sanchez, Culver, Flores sort of, DBJ for 2 Gs.) Maybe someone like Katoh or Torrens or one of the young SS gets that treatment. Maybe a guy who is a little older for the level and crushing it or doing well in his second stint there (Jose Javier, Lail, Rony Bautista?). Or a guy who started on the DL could just be there as a tune up (Cote, Andujar).

  • Danny
    • dkidd


      thanks for posting

  • Wolfgang’s Fault

    I know Jim Miller isn’t on the prospect map, he’s 31, had arm problems, was hit hard both last year and early this year, but you take away some of his poor early outings, the dude has been lights setting up out in the bullpen. For the year, he’s got 19/65 bb/k ratio over 46 innings. I do believe he’s put himself on the map for a call up should the need arise. He’s really been great in his last 10 outings.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      It’s not unexpected that a guy like that can come up for air and have a decent run somewhere. He’s a volatile middle reliever like any other.

  • Robert

    Slade was mentioned in Spring Training as having a chance to see the Bronx in 2013, Could he get a Sept call up ?

    Saw Pete O,Brien in SI last year and once this year,Impressive with the bat and showed to me leadership on the field.Playing 3B C and DH all positions which Yanks will be looking at next year. Lets get him to Trenton.
    And to all those who say well he should be hitting he was a college senior I ask How many collage seniors are not hitting?

    • YankeeGrunt

      Slade isn’t on the 40-man so I doubt it. He’s not Rule V eligible (I don’t think) so they’ll likely wait until he’s ready or they have to add him to protect him.

      • Mac

        I believe that he and Murphy will be Rule 5 eligible after the season. I could see him called up in September depending on what the fringe 40-man situation looks like late in the season.

      • Samuel

        Both Heathcott and Murphy need to be protected this year on the 40 man. Both signed at age 18 and this is the 5th Rule V draft they are around for.