Yanks can’t support shaky Pettitte in loss to Sox

Bird homers three times in River Dogs win
Tomase: Drew passed on Yankees, took less money from Red Sox

Source: FanGraphs

By the end of this game, the Yankees had one player in the lineup with a .330+ OBP. The Red Sox had nine. That sums up the differencese between the two teams and is a big reason why New York limped to a 4-2 loss on Friday night. Let’s recap:

  • Andy’s Dud: For the eighth time in nine starts since coming off the DL, Andy Pettitte allowed four runs. Three came on homers — leadoff shot by Jacoby Ellsbury, two-run shot by Jonny Gomes — and the fourth scored because he let the leadoff man reach base in five of his seven innings. Three of the five reached on an extra-base hit. Pettitte did retire 12 of 14 batters faced at one point, but yet again he was shaky and simply not good enough to win given the offense behind him. Andy very much looks the part of the 41-year-old starter.
  • Three Hits: It wouldn’t be a Yankees game without a weak offensive showing, and on Friday they had just three hits. Lyle Overbay and Chris Stewart managed to string together doubles in the same inning to score one run, and the other was all about Brett Gardner. He walked, beat out a pickoff play to steal second, stole third, then scored on a throwing error by the catcher. The Yankees had runners at second and third with one out in the eighth, but Vernon Wells and Luis Cruz didn’t even hit the ball out of the infield and stranded the runners.
  • Leftovers: Very dumb move by Gardner to get ejected for throwing his helmet following a called strike three on a borderline pitch. He has to keep it together and show more restraint there, especially since he’s the team’s second best hitter … the Bombers did draw four walks, but that led to nothing … Shawn Kelley allowed just his second inherited runner of the year to score, accounting for the fourth run charged to Pettitte … he, Boone Logan, and Preston Claiborne put three men on base in 1.2 innings … the Yankees scored two runs or less for the 32nd time this year, exactly one-third of their games. They did it 33 times all of last season.

MLB.com has the box score and video highlights, FanGraphs some other stats, and ESPN the updated standings. Both the Orioles and Rays won, so the Yankees are six back in the AL East and three back of awildcard spot in the loss column. Hiroki Kuroda gets the ball against John Lackey in game two of this three-game set on Saturday afternoon. FOX plus Fenway Park equals a loss, typically.

Bird homers three times in River Dogs win
Tomase: Drew passed on Yankees, took less money from Red Sox
  • Kramerica Industries

    Remember that FOX game at Fenway in August 2011 when Lackey was pitching like total horseshit, and the Yankees threw C.C. out there, and the Yankees STILL got hammered that day while Lackey twirled a gem?

    That was irritating.

    • forensic

      At least they got a modicum of revenge on that one a couple weeks later with the same matchup.

      • Kramerica Industries

        Cervelli HR game.

        Also the last game I saw on MLB.tv that year before my subscription burst into flames.

    • Lukaszek

      I hated when the Yankees played the Red Sox in 2011. Another irritating one was the game with the Rivera blown save and Reddick walk-off

      Fortunately we got some revenge by pulverizing them all of last year

      • Kramerica Industries

        Hmm. That was the very next day after the game I mentioned.

        And I would’ve hoped the Yankees get some payback last year considering, well, the Red Sox were effing terrible. Can only hope the Yankees are falling down the same path for 2013, but they sure as hell aren’t playing well right now.

  • LennonJames

    Fox + Fenway Park, usually means a 19-4 type loss.

    • dkidd

      usually. but right now 4 runs is impossible

      • LennonJames

        Very true. Funny how that would be a mild moral victory in a 19-4 loss.

        • dkidd

          if only there was a third “moral victory” wild card

          • Betty Lizard

            Hee. We’d have a chance for that one.

        • Lukaszek

          All four runs would be a Cano three run homer and an Ichiro RBI infield single off a failed check-swing

  • Chiggie

    How in the hell can the Yankees front office continue to field this shit team and expect us to support it??????

    • El Johnny D

      Well, they don’t really have that much other options to put out there. And I’m not really sure they expect us to support it either. I mean, would they if they were the fans and they saw the crap they keep putting out there?

      I just hope they realize that it’s time to sell sell sell whatever short term assets the team has before it’s too late. Almost everything the team has banked on this season has backfired. And while it’s partly their fault for relying on such things, it’s not their fault almost everything backfired. Just don’t hurt the teams future by going for it all this season.

    • WhittakerWalt

      If they could put a better team out there, they would.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Because we’re fans. If you’re not, leave.

      • Guns

        Stop telling people how the fuck they should act as fans. People have the right to be upset with this team and can show it anyway they want. You’re not some fucking superfan. You’re just annoying.

        Also, go fuck yourself.

        • Pa Poo


  • ropeadope

    Yankees had five hits, not three hits.

  • dkidd

    i was on the fence, but now i want the yankees to buy buy buy. total emotional reaction, but there is no way we can compete with this line-up. 7/31 might already be too late. by morning i may have changed my mind

  • WhittakerWalt

    Andy gives up 4 runs every time out. We don’t have the ability to score 5 runs. Game over. What are you gonna do?

  • FIPster Doofus

    I didn’t see much of the game after the first inning, but all the Pedroia worship from YES early on made me want to vomit. Pedroia is an excellent player, but stop pretending that he’s General fucking Patton in a baseball uniform.

    • FIPster Doofus

      I forgot to say I expect that type of ballwashing on national telecasts (Fox and ESPN will lay it on thick this weekend), but a Yankees broadcast? Shut up.

    • WhittakerWalt

      Gutty, gritty, and white. All broadcasters love that.

      • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

        the Great Short Hope

    • forensic

      Oh good, something to look forward to when I watch it later…

    • Ken

      YES does the same thing with “King” Felix in Seattle. Let the Seattle announcers call him “King.” to us, he’s the opponent.

  • forensic

    Gardner also has to stay in since they’ve been having 700 (give or take a couple) utility IFers while basically having no backup OFers since Wells is basically serving as DH much of the time.

    the Bombers did draw four walks, but that led to nothing …

    Well, other than the run that one of them led to, they led to nothing.

    They also actually had 5 hits, not 3, and 3 (!) of them were for XBH’s. That seems like a week’s worth of XBH’s.

    To me, it’s almost like Pettitte’s about a 3-4 inning pitcher now. He always seems to struggle early on, and then loses it again at the end of his night, but pitches ok in the middle.

    Unfortunately, that’s not very useful and I don’t know how to fix it. You could have him throw more in the bullpen pregame, but at his age that may do more harm than good and rob him even more at the end of his night (and they’ve already cut-out one bullpen session between starts because of his age).

    • WhittakerWalt

      Pettitte gives up 4 runs in about 6 innings, every time out. In other words, he’s a 6 ERA pitcher now. And there’s not a thing we can really do about it.

  • jim p

    Besides the low standing in the Majors in BA and OBP etc, is there a stat on “advancing the runner with outs?” It seems whenever we do get that rare runner on second or third, with one or no outs, that’s where they die.

    Feels like popouts and strikeouts or grounders to 3B/SS is certain to follow.

    • Mouse

      That’s where Girardi fail. When your team is consistently failing in those situation and so inept offensively, you need to do more safety/suicide squeezes. They have not tried it even once this year.

      And most of the time they lose by one or two runs.


    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      28% overall Productive Out % – tied for AL worst.
      48% getting runner in from 3rd, < 2 out – 3rd worst in AL.

      • forensic

        I guess that’s the short-hand version. :-)

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

          aka the “lazy” version

      • jim p

        Thank you for the stats/rankings. So it’s not just my imagination.

    • forensic

      According to BR.com:

      Yankees are tied for last in the AL (t-3rd worst in MLB) in Productive Out % at 28% Those are successful sac’s for a pitcher with 1 out, advancing any runner with no outs, and driving in a baserunner with the 2nd out of the inning (failed means the batter made an out without advancing the runner).

      Yankees are tied for 2nd worst in the AL (t-5th worst in MLB) in scoring a runner from 3rd with less than 2 out at 48%.

      Yankees are tied for 5th best in the AL (t-10th best in MLB) in advancing a runner from 2nd with 0 outs at 56%.

      Just in terms of baserunning, they’re also tied for 2nd worst in extra bases taken % at 35% (slow runners + weak hitters is a poor combination).

      • jim p

        Thanks for all the detail, forensic. So basically, we are not only absent power, but “clutchiness” as well. Sigh.

  • Pat D

    So was the troll handle-jacker ever caught? Or did he finally get tired and stop?

    • forensic

      He wasn’t caught that I know of. He continued through the whole thread right up until the end.

      • Pat D

        Ah, pussyfeathers.

  • Nathan

    I’m wondering if this is going to be the last we see of Andy. While he looked good last year, he’s looked pretty mediocre lately. I don’t think he’d announce he’s calling it quits during the season (taking away from Mo’s farewell) but I could see him calling it quits during the off-season.

    I just have a feeling.

    • Travis L.

      While I’m a huge Andy supporter and fan…I hope so. I cant stand seeing Andy pitch like this. I don’t know if I would sign up for another year of this type of struggle from Andy.

      • trr

        Yes, I believe he ‘ll retire during the off season. He has too much pride.

        • forensic

          I think he’ll retire too. I also hope he doesn’t try to second-guess himself and drag it out through half the offseason before making the final decision too.

    • FIPster Doofus

      He’s definitely done after this season.

  • whitey

    Gardner keep his head. I laughed

  • Bavarian Yankee

    I’m such a bad fan. I’m hoping they’re losing all the remaining July games just because I want them to be sellers. wth is wrong with me!?

    • Bavarian Yankee

      btw: the Yanks had 5 hits, not 3.

  • fred robbins

    I don’t know what to write anymore. I will wait until Vernon Wells is released. have a good last month of summer everyone

    • KD

      Gotta tell it like it is. hope that our FO can pretend to be competent and SELL. This team must rebuild. It isn’t missing only a few parts. We have to be smart (God forgive me for what I’m about to say) like the Socks!

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Meet Option G: Melky Mesa. Option H, Adonis Garcia is stretching as we speak.

  • ExitCashman

    Where is the “F” for Cashman and his FO for putting the team in this position to begin with? FORGET ABOUT THE INJURIES for a moment:

    1. What self-respecting GM goes into a season with a catching corps of Chris Stewart and Francisco Cervelli?

    2. Who was Texeira’s backup at 1B? AAA Dan Johnson? Even a healthy Tex can’t play all 162. Napoli would have been pretty useful, no?

    3. Why sign an injury-prone Kevin Youkilis to replace injured A-Rod? It wasn’t hard to figure out the guy wouldn’t make it through the season. $12 million for 28 games. No offers to Eric Chavez, Mark Reynolds, who would have been considerably cheaper.

    4. Why sign Travis Hafner and limit defensive flexibility further? Not to mention that the guy is toast. No effort to resign Raul Ibanez, who was the only saving grace of last year’s postseason?

    5. How about trading players with value, like Hughes and Chamberlain, before they turn into pumpkins? Hughes has never been a fit for the new YS and Joba always a head case.

    The Yankees need a new GM to compete. Someone who can’t be duped into trading for Vernon Wells types or continuing to make the same mistakes over and over (Nick Johnson, Kevin Youkilis, Javier Vasquez, etc.)

    This season is over. Time to rebuild starting with a new FO.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Go apply for the job. Maybe your five-point retrospective plan will impress them.

      • Mikhel

        He has really good points.

        • Evan3457

          Not so much.

    • Coolkering101

      Please save your complaints for the Steinbrenners who decided to line their pockets and make a few more million dollars at the expense of the team.

      Joba has value? That’s news to me. I’d say he’s worth a player to be named later and a bag of baseballs(used). If the Yanks can trade Hughes they’ll do so. I don’t know what you expect to get, but I assure you, it’s not much (otherwise he’d already have been traded).

      Raul Fucking Ibanez? Are you for real? The guy was fucking terrible last year, save for a few playoff games. The guy is going to return to washed up status in the 2nd half of the season.

    • ClayDavis

      I don’t think Cashman should be heldresponsible for having god awful ownership. F Hal

    • verywellsaid

      You know I been saying the same things but I actually saw this mess starting a few years ago. Now the Yankees have more holes that they simply cannot fill all of them. I’ll say it once and 20 times 2013 Yankees are an 85 win team not making the playoffs.

      This team has a zero at catching before the season even started.

      I’m not a huge fan of Tex anymore this guy became a homerun or bust guy once a 300 hitter now a mere 250 hitter really?

      This teams corner outfields hit like ticks I mean are you kidding me?

      I can go on and on but I think this should sum up this team.

      Brent Lillibridge .042 are you serious?
      Brent Lillibridge this is the best this team can do? This team needs to sell and start over a few guys cannot fix this team at all. Yankees need to sell but who’s gonna buy crap they are selling most team can find these guys in the garbage.

    • Pa Poo

      I agree, but you should vote with your checkbook. Don’t go to games. Cancel cable TV so YES doesn’t get a penny from you. That’s what I did.
      At a certain point, we have to take responsibility for our own actions, too.

  • Robert

    Season lost bring up Slade and JR Murphy.Went to SI Yankee game Jagielo is the only prospect,and I wouldnt get to excited yet.Summer Oneil and Thomas have talent but not MLB talent.
    The farm is pathetic as is the Varsity.
    The Steinbrenner family will not spend money….

    • Mikhel

      ¿Spend? Why? They figured that if they lower the payroll the fans will keep on flooding the gates to watch a mediocre team play, they know fans will keep on buying merchandise and watching their games.

      Unless… Oh yeah, it has already backfired but it is too late, Cashman got the team ready to win championships back in the day, it was handed to him by Gene Michaels and Bob Watson, same for Joe Torre, Showalter already had built the core of the team which won championships.

      With Cashman and JoeG we got stuck with “chinese made copies” of a real GM and a real manager.

      But HEY! once again a team “managed” by JoeG will underperform, it is the norm and one of the reasons he got fired from the Marlins, another reason why he got fired was the overuse of the bullpen: In the majority of seasons with the Yanks, his pitchers have appeared in 600+ times every year except for a season when they ONLY appeared in 590+ times. In the seven years prior to JoeG, only once the pitching staff worked 600+ times.

      • Evan3457

        This team is UNDERperforming?

        By the way, Giardi was fired because of the Josh Johnson injury thing and fighting with the owner.

        And, in most of those seasons, the Yanks carried 6 relievers. Now they carry 7. There’s the extra appearances moving them over 600.

  • Mikhel

    They can, but they won’t, remember “the goal is $189 MM”, and they’ll get there in whichever way they can.

    Check their acquisitions, they refused to pay swisher yet they spent more in old players: Overbay, Haffner, Youkilis.

    They had their OF/1Base in Swisher, when they didn’t want to sign him they got Juan Rivera who is also OF/1B BUT they released him when they decided Vernon Wells was a better option, Vernon fffff*ing Wells! As soon as the NYY got Wells, they released Rivera.

    Not only that, they got Matt Díaz, a career 0.290 AVG / 0.340 OBP guy, and they released him because the front office guys decided Ben Francisco (career 0.250 AVG / 0.320 OBP hitter) or Brennan Boesch (career 0.259 AVG / 0.315 OBP) were better.

    They didn’t even give Díaz a chance! They moved from an OK player like Díaz to garbage like Ben and Boesch. And Francisco didn’t even play a lot!!

    They even fumbled when they decided KKKKKKurtis Granderson was a better option than Swisher (who can also play 1Base as I said, and seeing how much Teix got hurt in 2012 it was a WISE decision to have a backup 1B who knows how to make contact and get on base).

    Swisher or Granderson bot came at the same price, yet they had to decide what was better for them:

    Trading Granderson and his consecutive 40+ HR / 100+ RBI seasons for a GOOD player, either a stablished player (Pitcher, OF, infielder, whatever) or a good minor leaguer ready to play in the majors (the Braves were salivating inmensely for Granderson before they got their Uptons); the other option was to get a draft pick for Swisher with a 30+ pick in the first round, and because the NYY are the best franchise in history developing young players, they went for the pick, I mean, what could go wrong, right? it is better to get a high schooler who will contribute with the team in 5 years instead of a player who will contribute immediately.

    Granderson and Swisher both carried the same “weight” in the payroll, $14-15 MM per year for the next 4-5 years, because they’ll try to sign Granderson… unless they allow him to walk free and they get nothing in return (wouldn’t be inverosimil for the NYY front office to decide that’s better).

    I’ve said it more than once and I will repeat it:

    Being from south calif. I’ve witnessed how a good team like the Padres can be dismantled in one offseason and its posterior first-half season. And it is exactly what the NYY are doing, they get players only for the fans to get mildly excited but release them and get an inferior version of them, all sub 0.250 AVG hitting players whose only contributions are to warm the bench, and I am talking of the days of Jack Murphy where the ball carried a lot more than in Petco, before the days of Moorad and Moores who also did exactly that same thing.

    And it is not getting rid of players your “captain” deems as of no value to him, like the Bosox did last season with Pedroia deciding who had to go (and yeah, I do have inside info on that and know he used Adrián González cellphone to send a text to John Henry to set up a meeting, Henry was infuriated with the message and it was decided in that meetint that González, Crawford, Punto, Beckett and Aceves had to go, but the Dodgers didn’t want Aceves, now Aceves has been shelved with a groin lession, a real lession and the sox front office says it doesn’t exist and he either pitches or forfeits his contract, much to the pleasure of Pedroia who got angry with Aceves when Alfredo yelled to Valentine last year because he left his pitchers too long while getting hit hard, and Pedroia doesn’t like players who are vociferous and want to do the right thing, he believes he is the captain and that only him can do that… heck, he even decided to distance himself from Ellsbury and lobbyied for Ellsbury to get traded).

    • Crime Dog

      You lost me at Matt Diaz

      • Get Phelps Up

        Matt Diaz’s .167/.211/.222 line is exactly what we’ve been needing.

    • Pat D

      Hmm. You used 6 K’s for Granderson’s first name.

      Why can’t you see why that’s a problem?

  • vafaculu

    In the past I have posted on numerous occasions that in this time of dire need there was no help forthcoming from below. Efforts for replacements at third and short, David Adams, BA l90, OBP 260, and Eduardo Scissor-Hands, BA 207, OBP 276, have proven to be futile. Almonte’s performance thus far has been negligible. It now has become quite apparent this situation is a direct result and a testament to Brian Cashman, Damon Oppenheimer, the scouts and player development personnel who have heralded the star-studded Yankee Minor League System for many years.

  • ClayDavis

    So Wrigley gets Pearl Jam ad the Yanees book a Ro oncert. Another failure by ownership.

  • ClayDavis

    Rap tat is