Tigers crush Hughes, bullpen, and the Yankees in general on Saturday

Game 115: Business as Usual
Saturday Night Open Thread

Source: FanGraphs

We are now two days shy of a full calendar month since the last time the Yankees won back-to-back games. They followed Friday’s walk-off win with a clunker on Saturday, getting blown out 9-3 by the Tigers. It looked like a big league team against a Triple-A team. The Yankees were completely outclassed on the mound, in the batter’s box, and in the field defensively. Let’s recap:

  • Hughesless: For the third straight start and ninth time this year, Phil Hughes failed to complete five innings of work. No other pitcher in baseball has failed to complete five innings more than seven times, mostly because those pitchers eventually got pulled from the rotation. Hughes will get the ball again in five days because the Yankees are stubborn and also because they don’t have an alternative. Remember when they had pitching depth? Me neither. Anyway, Hughes allowed four runs (two solo homers) in 4.1 innings and has about nine more starts left in pinstripes. We should start a countdown in the sidebar.
  • Token Runs: Lyle Overbay did the Yankees a solid and hit a two-run homer in the fifth inning to make it look like this game was actually competitive at some point. Aside from that, Anibal Sanchez held them to four hits and a walk in seven stress-free innings. Four of those five base-runners came in the fourth and fifth innings, otherwise the Yankees had four base-runners in the other seven innings combined. Four of the final 19 batters they sent to the plate reached base, with Overbay driving in the third run with two outs in the ninth.
  • Leftovers: Preston Claiborne got hit around pretty hard in his inning of work (four runs), and he’s now allowed 34 base-runners in his last 19.2 innings after allowing 14 base-runners in his first 19.2 innings … the hits came from Brett Gardner, Ichiro Suzuki, Robinson Cano (all singles), Eduardo Nunez (double), and Overbay (single and homer) … Overbay and Curtis Granderson drew walks … Joba Chamberlain and Adam Warren combined to hold Detroit to one run in the final 3.2 innings … the bullpen is pretty taxed and it would make sense to call-up Dellin Betances for a fresh arm on Sunday. They could simply send either Warren or Claiborne down to Triple-A Scranton if they don’t want to admit defeat and cut Joba.

For the box score and video highlights, go to MLB.com. FanGraphs has some other stats and ESPN has the updated standings. The Yankees are still seven back of the second wildcard spot in the loss column. Andy Pettitte vs. Justin Verlander is your pitching matchup for Sunday’s rubber game. If you’re a masochist and want to attend, check out RAB Tickets.

Game 115: Business as Usual
Saturday Night Open Thread
  • FIPster Doofus


  • http://rab.com Michael Cutler

    Mike, what did I tell you about Freddie Freeman and those red hot Atlanta Braves. . .

  • Revan

    Maybe this start pegs down Hughes to a 9 million AAV. According to some that’s a steal!

    • http://rab.com Michael Cutler

      Maybe Polar Bears become stronger swimmers. . .

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      He’s definitely costing himself a lot of $$ this year.

  • http://rab.com Michael Cutler

    Yankees resemble a AAA team

  • http://twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110


  • Reggie C.

    I would avoid even making a QO at this point. Not sure how many starts Girardi will keep sending Hughes out there in effort to at least end the season on a better note. At this point, if the season were to end today, Hughes can’t be extended a QO. I honestly think he would take it and end up the biggest overpay for a #5 starter in the AL East.

    • dkidd

      they should make the QO no matter what

      it’s human nature to seek the bigger payday, and 2014 will be a disaster anyway so it’s worth the risk imho

      • Dick M


      • http://www.twitter.com/mattpat11 Matt DiBari

        I just can’t. Its bad enough if the team sucks. I just can’t watch this every five days *again* next year. Its time to just give up on Phil Hughes. Either he was never as good as the Yankees thought he was or they screwed something up terribly developing him.

        • trr

          It’s all gone sour for him in NY. Maybe he pitches better elsewhere else; maybe he doesn’t. They should have traded him for ANYTHING before the break. He’s through here.

          • There’s the Door

            100%. Appalling that they didn’t trade him.

        • Slu

          Yes. 100% agree. And frankly I don’t care why, just get him out of here.

  • vicki

    looks like mike called it in the game thread title: business as usual.

  • sangreal

    … Joba Chamberlain and Adam Warren combined to hold Detroit to one run in the final 3.2 innings …

    I know this is how it counts in the box score, but 2 of those Preston Claiborne runs were from Joba giving up a 3-run HR

    • Selig is an opportunistic hypocrite (formerly not the droids you’re looking for…)

      Exactly. I wish there was an easy to cite stat for % of inherited base runners allowed to score weighted by base, so that allowing someone to score from say 1B is assessed worse than scoring from 3B.

  • Kramerica Industries

    We should start a countdown in the sidebar.

    How about a countdown of how many games that Jobber and Phil will still be Yankees?

    • Dick M

      A testament to the Yanks player development capabilities. Those 2 were both BA TOP 5 prospects. And now they’re dead men walking.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

        Prospects busting doesn’t necessarily mean they weren’t developed properly. Sometimes prospects just bust all on their own.
        Maybe the Yankees had a big part in it. Maybe the Yankees had a small part in it. Maybe they would have turned out about the same no matter where they were.

        • Dick M

          We sure do a lot of busting.

          • The Big City of Dreams

            Exactly if it was just those two than no problem. But look at the Bs, Trey, etc. Even the OFs have taken a step back this yr.

        • billbybob

          Uhhh the Yanks definitely played a pretty big role in helping pop Joba’s prospect bubble.

          • The Big City of Dreams

            This X a million.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

            Joba played a pretty huge role in that himself.

          • WhittakerWalt

            I hear this all the time, yet never get a concrete reason why. If Joba’s such a great pitcher, he should pitch great no matter where you put him. This idea that the Yankees “ruined” Joba is silly.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              No one in history had ever shuffled from the rotation to the bullpen before. Ever.

              • WhittakerWalt

                I know, right? It certainly hindered Mariano.

                • forensic

                  I strongly disagree with attempting to use Mo’s path as a comparison to Joba’s path, but the one nice thing about it was that it sent me to Mo’s MiLB numbers, which I’m not sure I had ever bothered to look at before.

                  His first season, 1990 in the GCL, was downright video game-like. 52 IP, 0.462 WHIP (17 H, 7 BB), 58 K, 0.17 ERA (1(!) ER). Those are insane numbers.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        There was an ASG and contributions to a championship along the way there, champ. Let’s not let that get in the way of your narrative, though.

  • Pat D

    Was there a game today?

    • Wheels

      No, just a blowout.

  • robert

    The Phil Hughes era is over. If he starts another game the fans should get refunds…

  • Dick M

    Gonna end up with zip for both Hughes and Joba.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      Crazy when you think about what they used to be.

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    It’s fine if Hughes is gone next year. But everyone who is calling for that, remember who you are. 16 months ago, people were trashing Cashman for letting IPK go.

    • Dick M

      Hughes can’t pitch in Yankee stadium. And at an age when he should be taking the next step, he has regressed. He hasn’t developed a second pitch, let alone a third. There is no way he’s worth 14 mill, nor should we invest a longer term deal in him.

    • trr

      Ain’t gonna be the same

  • http://www.twitter.com/mattpat11 Matt DiBari

    But by all means give Hughes a qualifying offer. Whats the worst that could happen?

    • OldYanksFan

      The worst?
      He could take it.
      And in a year with an extremely limited payroll, we would be paying an $8m pitcher $14m.

      In 2014, we can’t afford to throw away $6m.

      And I have to ask…. WHY would you want to keep him?

      • Selig is an opportunistic hypocrite (formerly not the droids you’re looking for…)

        Actually he’s more like a $4mm pitcher.

  • cubbiephan

    It’s clearly time to blame Rothschild. He should take Hendry with him back to Chitown. Maybe even get a room.

  • LarryM Fl

    From Michael Kay’s lips, since the start of 2009 Phil Hughes has given up 100 HRs. 71 in YS3 and 29 on the road. There is nothing more to say! He should not be starting but there are no alternatives.

    On another note Nix struck out 4 times today while Adams picked pine from his a$$. Stewart and Nix should not play if Adams and Romine are available. The season run at the playoffs are over. When you compare the FO of Detroit and the Yankees its night and day. Detroit has made moves to increase their chances of winning while the Yankees will sign and Ichiro for two years to sell Jersey’s with Ichiro’s name on them or Soriano for two years with no corresponding trades to fortify the Soriano trade. It’s just mind boggling.

    • WhittakerWalt

      I don’t know that YS3 is really that much to blame. The homers he gives up are bombs. They’d be gone anywhere.

    • Oddball

      Suzyn Waldman always likes to say that “Jayson Nix does something in every game.” Well, he did something special in this game – he struck out four times while seeing only 14 pitches. That’s not easy to do!

  • mt

    $14 million is now higher than any AAV on a long-term deal he could expect so he might take the QO.

    On other hand, if a team with a big ballpark offers him, say, 2 years for $20-22 million, he might take that so he could possibly still get get another long-term deal after the new contract is over at the still young age of 29/30 with a target of a higher AAV.

    He is so much younger than the other FA pitchers next year so he can afford to not “cash in” now when his value is low – he may realize that he is dimishing his value pitching half his games in YS3 so a 2 year deal may be OK. Also he looked a lot better with a more robust Yankee offense in prior years – could he try to go somewhere like Oakland?

    • Selig is an opportunistic hypocrite (formerly not the droids you’re looking for…)

      I’m thinking San Diego but yeah.

  • forensic

    In the last two games combined, Yankees right-handed hitters are 1-32 with 19 K’s.

    That’s damn impressive.

    • WhittakerWalt

      That seems almost impossible.
      Then you realize Jayson Nix and Chris Stewart are starters on this team, and it becomes totally understandable.

  • dan

    just when u think it not going to get worse…soon the blue jays will overtake us…then next year 189………….yikes!

  • BJN

    A sh_t show. Plain and simple.

  • Slu

    I never want to see Phil Hughes pitch for this team ever again. He just plain sucks. And it cannot be blamed on the ballpark.

    • dan

      you said it all…..bring up anyone!